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    The Aryan-Semitic link

    Studying history, I realize the rise of the IndoEuropeans and the Semites is closely linked.
    To begin with, we have to say that Europe and the Middle East have always been related.
    Europe was colonized from the MidEast during the end of Ice Ages and the beggining of the Neolithic.
    They also share a lot of mt-DNA Haplogroups. U, K, J and H are both present at both sides of the Mediterranean. Even though each region has its own subclades.
    Y-DNA MidEast Haplogroup J and Native European I are also closest relatives, even though I was largely substituted by unrelated R.

    Going to the actual IndoEuropeans(IEs) and Semites. The point that makes them similar is tha date of their rise. Around 2300 BC.
    In Europe they reach Germany at that time, and Sargon of Akkad, a Semite, creates the first ever empire in Mesopotamia. This was the beggining of a domination in their respective lands that continues to these days.
    We know that IEs were large distance horse riders, and Semites were nomadic tribes reported to be around Mesopotamia, causing ocasional border trouble or migrating peacefully.

    The similar date is not the only coincidence.
    Both were nomadic peoples. And the common point between Sargon creating the first empire, and IEs traveling(connecting) long distances with horses is obvious:
    Uniting large chunks of land.

    This makes me think both were part of the same civilizational change. One that involved more globalization, more metal working, a higher degree of economic complexity, social estratification and cultural changes that later will evolve into pre-classical paganism.

    The Biblic history of the Prophet Abraham, which is set around 2000 BC. Describe Abraham's tribe as travelling long distances, From Iraq to Egypt. And receiving important tributes from other peoples, which suggest the were kind of an important tribe.
    These is again similar to IEs, which were long distance travellers and highly succesful.

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    It would be helpful to clarify the "Semite" part. Northern Semites (Jews, Assyrians, Druze, and Arabized peoples of the Fertile Crescent and Levant) are indeed close to Europeans because they have admixture other than Basal Eurasian. They have "Unknown Hunter-Gatherer" ancestry, plus usually at least a little Ancient North Eurasian. Both of these tie them to Europe. Iranians to the east, who are Indo-Europeans, have a similar pattern, but with more ANE and less of the other 2.

    Southern Semites, who inhabit the mountains and desert in Yemen, Oman, and southern Saudi Arabia are not close to Europeans at all. They have little non-Basal Eurasian admixture and they even look very different from their neighbors who speak standard Arabic.

    It is clear that northern Semites were descended from some tribe of hunter-gatherers with links to Europe who then intermarried with Basal Eurasians.

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    Neolithic Europe was colonized by people from Turkey, which where genetically distant from Levantines(Natufians) and Iranian Hunter Gatherers.

    While Anatolian Hunter Gatherers contributed to today's European ancestry, Natufians contributed ancestry to today's Middle Easterns, but not so much to Europeans. Iranian Hunter Gatherers contributed their ancestry to toady's Middle Easterns with an extend to India, but not to Europeans.

    They where 3 different populations.

    The Yamnaja peoples who are thought to be the bringers of Indoeuropean/Aryan culture in Europe are related to Eastern Hunter Gatherers/Siberian Hunter Gatherers, Caucasus Hunter gatherers and partly Neolithic Farmers.

    Semites where a late development in history and are not a separated genetic group or share a special common ancestor in the past, but share a unique and simple mythology, which founded the development of today's dominant religions.
    There are Semitic groups which are becoming a unique genetic group through the ages by marriage rules, Jews for example which also share special lines of female ancestors.

    Indoeuropean/Aryan tribes/ethnic groups share a complex and open minded mythology, which evolved over the centuries and absorbed local traditions of conquered and neighbor tribes, this is very distant from Semitic view of religion and origin of mankind.
    In that sense Indoeuropean/Aryian culture and mythology is more similar to Ancient Mesopotamia, Hittites, Aztecs or modern India.
    I would suspect an east African and Arabian origin of Semitic Culture and Religion.

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