Knoviz is different though, because they had way more sites and showed direct evidence for cannibalism. That's something we don't have from Eastern Urnfield, and in G?va too sites for human sacrifices seem to rather rare. Seems it increased in situ, in the Southern Thracian groups for whatever reasons.
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Knoviz is different though, because they had way more sites and showed direct evidence for cannibalism. That's something we don't have from Eastern Urnfield, and in G?va too sites for human sacrifices seem to rather rare. Seems it increased in situ, in the Southern Thracian groups for whatever reasons.
E-V13 from Avar-Hungarian paper:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...and-conquering&p=828196&viewfull=1#post828196
Official G25 coordinates:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...and-conquering&p=856597&viewfull=1#post856597
I picked up most of the Avar samples for E-V13 and added the early Sarmatian to the sample:
I created a model for these samples:
That's the result for model 1 without the Sarmatian era samples:
https://ibb.co/8bqKXQj
All but one, even though I did overfitting with a multitude of sources, did pick up Channelled Ware-related ancestry.
If adding the Sarmatian era samples, those begin to dominate:
https://ibb.co/6vj2ZDd
But even then Channelled Ware related ancestry being picked up in all but 4!
The two almost fully Avar East Asian samples, which being phenotypically classified as Mongoloid in the paper, are very clear in this model too. They can be modelled with Turkic + (one quarter) Channelled Ware.
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...and-conquering&p=828196&viewfull=1#post828196
Official G25 coordinates:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...and-conquering&p=856597&viewfull=1#post856597
I picked up most of the Avar samples for E-V13 and added the early Sarmatian to the sample:
Code:
HUN_Sarmatian_Early_Transtisza:I20802,0.119514,0.133034,0.038089,0.013889,0.016926,0,0.002115,-0.003923,-0.001023,0.005467,0.001137,0.007343,-0.004608,-0.005092,-0.005836,-0.003315,0.00678,0.00152,0.007416,-0.009505,-0.004243,0.003339,0.006039,0.001687,-0.006347
HUN_early_Avar:SZK102,0.1161,0.156392,0.000754,-0.050065,0.024312,-0.016733,0.003995,-0.002308,0.008999,0.036265,0.002273,0.005845,-0.014717,-0.006193,-0.020222,0.007027,0.026598,-0.000127,0.005782,0.003502,-0.002995,0.004699,0,-0.000241,-0.005389
HUN_early_Avar:SZOD1829,0.133173,0.142174,0.034695,0.02261,0.037853,0.008088,0.003995,0.009923,0.001636,-0.000729,0.000325,-0.002398,-0.000743,0.00055,0.005022,0.005701,0.002086,0.005194,-0.004777,-5e-04,-0.000499,-0.00136,0.004314,0.006386,0.005868
HUN_middle_Avar:SZK83,0.125205,0.149283,0.006411,-0.026163,0.021235,-0.011435,-0.000235,0.000692,0.00859,0.024784,-0.000162,0.01154,-0.011596,-0.005918,-0.006107,-0.006497,0.00339,0.003927,0.008296,-0.01113,-0.000998,0.005564,-0.007272,0.008435,0.00455
HUN_middle_Avar:SZM259,0.1161,0.122879,0.014331,-0.02907,0.022466,-0.006414,-0.003525,0.002308,-0.002045,0.028247,-0.00065,0.003597,-0.009366,-0.000963,-0.012079,-0.005171,0.008084,0,0.002263,-0.002126,-0.000374,-0.000742,0.003328,-0.003494,-0.002515
HUN_middle_Avar:SSD144,0.122929,0.139128,0.026398,-0.013566,0.026774,-0.004462,0.00235,-0.004615,-0.003477,0.013121,-0.003735,-0.001349,-0.003419,0.000138,-0.008007,-0.006099,0.007693,0.002787,0.006913,-0.001876,-0.002745,0.001113,0.007148,-0.00012,-0.003832
HUN_middlelate_Avar:ALT442,0.125205,0.136081,0.039975,0.004845,0.032006,-0.001673,0.00376,0.003692,-0.002045,0.002187,0.001786,0.004346,0,-0.000413,-0.007329,-0.006364,0.000782,0.001774,0.010559,-0.005628,-0.007112,0.005812,0.005423,0.002169,-0.001078
HUN_late_Avar:SZKT311,0.118376,0.14319,0.011314,-0.014535,0.01908,0.001952,0.002115,0.006692,-0.004295,0.015672,-0.000974,0.001499,-0.002973,0.004404,-0.012215,-0.005436,-0.003781,-0.002027,0.008799,-0.004877,0.006489,0.003339,-0.001356,-0.00494,0.001676
HUN_late_Avar:SZKT70,0.117238,0.113739,0.029038,0.007106,0.01508,0.006693,0.00329,0.001154,0,-0.00164,-0.005196,0.006894,-0.0055,0.00812,-0.011808,-0.010607,-0.011213,0.006588,0.012067,-0.004877,-0.007112,0.005441,-0.001972,0.004579,-0.004191
HUN_late_Avar:SZKT265,0.125205,0.145221,0.021119,-0.016473,0.025235,-0.010319,0.00094,-0.002077,0.001023,0.024602,0.000162,0.003297,-0.010406,0.006881,-0.015336,-0.001724,0.005476,0.001394,-0.001508,-0.003877,-0.010981,0.00643,0.00037,-0.002892,-0.007903
HUN_late_Avar:SZK130,0.117238,0.128972,0.015085,-0.008721,0.017542,-0.009482,0.001175,0.002077,-0.006749,0.00656,0.002923,0.002398,-0.006392,0.01101,-0.014115,-0.00053,-0.006128,0.004054,0.009176,-0.003877,-0.010107,-0.003957,0.001602,0.00241,-0.001557
HUN_late_Avar:KK1252,0.117238,0.152329,0.000754,-0.036822,0.028621,-0.005299,-0.00282,-0.007384,0.001023,0.038634,0.004709,0.010641,-0.020367,0.006744,-0.016558,0.002784,0.016428,0.003294,0.006536,-0.000625,-0.000374,-0.000866,0.007888,0.006989,-0.001078
HUN_late_Avar:KK1541,0.10927,0.156392,0.004903,-0.027132,0.019388,-0.013387,-0.00047,0.002308,0.000818,0.017677,-0.002923,0.000599,-0.005203,0.005643,-0.013572,0.00305,0.002477,-0.004561,0.001885,-0.002626,-0.003619,0.005564,0.003081,0.004338,-0.007903
HUN_late_Avar:PV12,0.113823,0.076165,0.025267,-0.002584,0.017542,-0.006972,0.005405,-0.005769,-0.001023,0.011663,0.00065,0.005095,-0.007433,-0.00055,-0.010858,0.001989,0.010561,0.005068,0.003394,0.003502,-0.006114,0.001978,-0.01023,-0.000964,0.002395
HUN_late_Avar:TMH199,0.133173,0.128972,0.063356,0.042636,0.038776,0.008367,0.00376,0.004615,0.011862,0.004738,-0.007307,0.006444,-0.002081,0.005092,0.016151,0.010872,0.001173,0.003547,-0.001257,-0.002876,0.005241,-0.004204,0.002095,0.006507,-0.002994
HUN_late_Avar:OBT51,0.092197,-0.023357,0.024513,-0.001292,-0.016311,-0.010319,0.00893,0.008307,-0.004909,0.008018,-0.009906,0.001349,-0.005352,0.000138,0.002036,-0.004641,0.001565,-0.003421,0.00993,0.002126,-0.002745,0.002102,-0.003451,-0.004458,-0.004071
HUN_late_Avar:OBT106,0.087644,-0.072103,0.028284,-0.006783,-0.018773,-0.014223,0.00799,0.003692,0.000614,-0.003098,-0.024845,-0.003747,0.002527,-0.009634,-0.008958,0.009149,0.007041,-0.002154,0.00352,0.005628,-0.003119,-0.005317,0.000246,0.004458,0.000958
HUN_late_Avar:ALT369,0.1161,0.116786,0.034695,0.012597,0.022158,-0.000279,0.01034,0.008307,0.0045,0.002734,0.006658,-0.002698,-0.002379,0.007019,-0.016558,0.004641,0.011735,-0.004307,0.00817,0.00025,-0.002246,0.003957,-0.006902,-0.000964,0.005149I created a model for these samples:
Code:
Channelled Ware_LBA_EIA:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18213,0.127482,0.149283,0.0445,0.01615,0.040931,0.004183,0.002585,-0.002538,0.01084,0.018041,-0.000974,0.008243,-0.004014,0.002202,-0.007193,-0.00769,-0.013951,0.005701,0.007165,-0.006753,-0.003868,0.000618,-0.008997,-0.014701,0.005748
Channelled Ware_LBA_EIA:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18239,0.12862,0.14319,0.049026,-0.001938,0.047701,0,0.004465,0.000462,0.01309,0.018953,0.006171,0.007493,-0.007582,-0.00234,-0.007057,0.001989,0.007693,0.00114,-0.004274,-5e-04,0.001622,0.004328,-0.005793,-0.010001,0.003952
Channelled Ware_LBA_EIA:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18245,0.133173,0.149283,0.05506,0.026486,0.044931,0.006972,0.011986,0.009,0.01268,0.006743,0.001949,-0.000749,-0.003865,0.003165,-0.004207,0.006099,0.005607,0.002534,0.002137,-0.001126,0.002246,-0.004451,0.000986,-0.005181,-0.010897
Channelled Ware_LBA_EIA:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18246,0.119514,0.149283,0.056945,0.013243,0.047393,0.005578,0.001175,0.003231,0.01309,0.014397,0.002761,0.002398,-0.004906,0.006744,-0.005836,-0.004243,-0.001304,-0.007095,0.005656,-0.000375,-0.009234,0.009521,0.003574,-0.013616,0.003233
Channelled Ware_LBA_EIA:HUN_LBA:I20749,0.133173,0.136081,0.065242,0.049096,0.048932,0.013387,0.003055,0.006231,0.009408,0.008018,-0.003085,-0.005245,0.000446,0.006193,-0.006922,0.016839,0.024773,-0.004054,-0.007165,0.013381,0.005241,0.001237,0.000863,-0.012893,-0.00934
Channelled Ware_LBA_EIA:HUN_LBA:I1504,0.125205,0.15436,0.060716,0.033592,0.061242,0.008646,0.00423,0.007615,0.014317,0.007836,-0.004547,-0.006594,0.001041,0.007432,-0.002579,-0.001591,0.010952,-0.002027,0.008547,0.004752,0.004617,0.005317,0.003081,-0.013134,0.000239
Channelled Ware_LBA_EIA:HUN_LBA:I20751,0.126344,0.142174,0.059962,0.032946,0.051394,0.009482,0.00517,0.003461,0.016157,0.020046,-0.007307,-0.000599,-0.001784,-0.003303,-0.006786,0.018297,0.014603,0.006968,0.004274,0.002626,-0.001497,0.001484,-0.004437,-0.00012,-0.002515
Channelled Ware_LBA_EIA:HUN_LBA:I20771,0.133173,0.135065,0.061094,0.046512,0.050779,0.016455,0.002585,0.003461,0.010226,0.007472,-0.00065,-0.01109,-0.002676,0.001651,-0.007736,0.017237,0.024773,-0.009755,-0.005154,0.013256,0.00549,0.001237,0.000246,-0.014098,-0.005149
Channelled Ware_LBA_EIA:HUN_LBA:I20773,0.132035,0.146236,0.064488,0.035207,0.056318,0.01004,0.013631,0.001154,0.018203,0.018953,0.00406,-0.002997,0.003122,-0.003991,0.00285,0.024264,0.004694,0.010515,-0.002765,-0.000875,-0.01984,0.007419,-0.014543,-0.012291,-0.002994
Channelled Ware_LBA_EIA:HUN_LBA:I25505,0.130897,0.147252,0.064488,0.033592,0.045855,-0.000279,0.003995,0.004154,0.015544,0.01057,-0.007145,0.01169,-0.00223,0.005367,0.001764,-0.012066,-0.008996,0.005828,0.010307,-0.005253,0.004617,0.008285,0.002465,-0.015062,-0.004071
Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA134,0.1161,0.054839,0.037335,0.057817,-0.033852,0.031236,0.00846,0.000231,-0.037223,-0.043554,0.001786,-0.005245,0.000149,-0.026974,0.02348,0.004508,-0.014473,-0.002154,-0.004777,-0.001126,-0.008859,0.01422,0.003697,0.008314,0.005029
Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA136,0.113823,0.039606,0.039221,0.061047,-0.028005,0.020638,-0.007755,0.002077,-0.023111,-0.033349,-0.005521,0.006145,-0.004906,-0.03358,0.021308,0.030496,-0.002738,0.003927,-0.007793,0.009379,-0.010232,0.019166,-0.008011,0.003133,0.003592
Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA139,0.104717,0.051792,0.02753,0.047481,-0.021235,0.015897,0.00094,-0.009461,-0.032724,-0.03262,-0.002111,-0.003597,-0.009217,-0.017478,0.015879,0.009149,0.01343,-0.012669,-0.003897,0.007754,-0.012728,-0.004699,-0.005546,0.009519,-0.000718
Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA141,0.112685,0.039606,0.033564,0.073967,-0.031083,0.031236,0.00658,0.005538,-0.032928,-0.030616,-0.003085,-0.005245,-0.010406,-0.026974,0.018322,0.020021,0.000652,0.000507,-0.001383,-0.005878,-0.003369,0.000866,0.009367,0.014098,-0.000718
Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA143,0.112685,0.054839,0.039598,0.07429,-0.033852,0.030678,0.00094,0.007384,-0.021066,-0.039545,-0.002761,-0.000899,-0.006838,-0.021056,0.019815,0.008221,-0.011735,-0.004814,-0.011187,5e-04,-0.005116,0.000866,0.002711,-0.005302,-0.000239
Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA144,0.10927,0.043668,0.032432,0.076874,-0.022158,0.030678,-0.00893,0.000231,-0.032724,-0.03991,-0.011367,-0.009591,0.010704,-0.02491,0.019679,0.004641,-0.001434,0.001014,0.00088,-0.000375,-0.023583,-0.001113,-0.001356,0.010122,0.011376
CZE_MBA_Tumulus:I16099,0.126344,0.145221,0.064111,0.021641,0.044931,0.010319,0.001175,0.003692,0.015544,0.015855,-0.00341,0.009292,-0.017393,-0.007982,0.00095,0.023999,0.002347,0.005954,-0.001508,0,0.005615,0.004946,-0.008874,-0.01699,-0.005389
CZE_MBA_Tumulus:I16100,0.129758,0.133034,0.061094,0.050065,0.046778,0.016733,0,0.005077,0.008385,-0.002187,-0.005359,0.001798,-0.007284,-0.005505,0.004343,-0.002784,0.002738,-0.003674,-0.001508,-0.005503,0.008735,0.005935,-0.002342,-0.007953,0.002036
CZE_MBA_Tumulus:I16111,0.126344,0.145221,0.053551,0.033269,0.045547,0.01004,0.007755,0.006,0.001227,0.018953,0.005846,0.004196,-0.008176,-0.004266,0.006107,-0.013657,-0.02725,-0.001394,-0.001885,-0.001,0.000125,-0.001607,-0.012078,-0.002048,-0.005987
CZE_MBA_Tumulus:I16112,0.130897,0.142174,0.054305,0.022287,0.047393,0.009203,-0.00047,0.007154,0.002045,0.019499,-0.006008,0.001948,-0.018731,-0.014863,-0.005157,0.001591,-0.005737,-0.000887,-0.000126,-0.001126,-0.003619,-0.005688,-0.005423,-0.007591,-0.002994
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0.0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561,0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Dai,0.0156507,-0.438709,-0.046763,-0.0609662,0.1201762,0.0622622,0.00047,-0.0073845,-0.0189698,-0.013121,0.0109208,0.0020232,-0.000446,-0.006193,0.0012895,0.0045742,0.0061282,-0.0009502,-0.0043368,-0.011662,0.0121972,0.0090268,0.0149438,0.002892,0.007095
Germanic:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019,0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Germanic:VK2020_NOR_North_IA:VK418,0.125205,0.132019,0.070144,0.064277,0.040315,0.019522,0.00423,0.013846,0.007567,-0.007107,-0.001786,-0.002847,-0.011001,-0.001514,0.031487,-0.005967,-0.029858,-0.0019,0.00352,0.003001,0.010606,0.000371,0,0.003012,-0.000838
Germanic:VK2020_NOR_South_IA:VK391,0.12862,0.141159,0.080327,0.062662,0.047701,0.022311,0.012691,0.011076,-0.003068,-0.015672,-0.012666,-0.004496,-0.002081,-0.007707,0.019679,0.0118,0.004303,0.003547,-0.006159,0.001,0.006988,-0.002597,-0.010723,0.014098,0.011017
CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0.046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.147252,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.0705215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.001385,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Proto_Illyrian:HRV_MBA:I24342,0.127482,0.138112,0.041483,0.009367,0.038776,-0.006414,-0.002115,0.001385,0.015544,0.023144,0.004384,0.012289,-0.018285,-0.011285,0.0095,0.001724,-0.001043,0.002154,0.001383,0,0.006738,0.005193,-0.00493,-0.001807,-0.001557
Proto_Illyrian:HRV_MBA:I26726,0.121791,0.144205,0.032432,-0.012274,0.026466,-0.000279,-0.006815,-0.001154,0.005931,0.030069,0.008444,0.006145,-0.029137,0.001789,-0.000814,-0.017634,-0.01369,-0.000633,0.014078,-0.010505,-0.004617,0.004575,0.002342,0.004458,-0.001317
Proto_Illyrian:HRV_MBA:I26773,0.122929,0.144205,0.045254,0.004199,0.023697,-0.006414,-0.006815,-0.005538,0.006136,0.026242,0.002273,0.01169,-0.021853,-0.015414,0.005836,-0.001458,0.007041,0.009375,0.004274,-0.006128,-0.012228,0.003091,-0.00419,0.005543,-0.006347
Proto_Illyrian:HRV_MBA:I26774,0.12862,0.149283,0.039221,0.002907,0.033852,0.000279,-0.00282,0.008538,0.008385,0.026242,-0.000812,0.01094,-0.016353,-0.000826,0.001764,-0.006364,-0.002086,0.00076,0.007668,-0.004502,0.000374,0.011994,-0.003821,0.004097,-0.003952
Proto_Illyrian:HRV_MBA:I26893,0.129758,0.149283,0.041106,0.013889,0.02739,0.002789,0.00188,0.002077,0.004909,0.023144,-0.007957,0.010491,-0.024975,-0.014588,0.001764,0.005569,0.021383,0.001394,0.006536,0.001876,-0.002995,0.004946,0.002465,0.005302,-0.006347
Proto_Illyrian:HRV_MBA:I4331,0.12862,0.151314,0.028284,-0.007429,0.038776,-0.006972,-0.00705,-0.006,0.003681,0.028064,0.006171,0.010341,-0.017542,-0.003578,-0.0076,0.006497,0.008084,-0.003041,0.006159,-0.011631,-0.005865,-0.001113,-0.00037,0.003856,-0.001197
Proto_Illyrian:HRV_MBA:I4332,0.120652,0.147252,0.034318,-0.012274,0.038469,0.002231,-0.00423,0.001154,0.009613,0.032074,-0.006008,0.01094,-0.012487,-0.014726,-0.005972,0.01074,0.02047,-0.00114,0.000754,-0.011005,-0.001248,0.008656,-0.00419,0.002048,-0.002395
South_Thrace_local:BGR_IA:I5769,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
GRC_Mycenaean:I9006,0.119514,0.160454,-0.006788,-0.068476,0.014464,-0.03514,-0.003055,-0.006923,-0.002863,0.050115,0.004384,0.015137,-0.009366,0.00289,-0.019815,-0.005304,0.024643,0.007601,0.020992,-0.000375,-0.007487,-0.012365,-0.010969,-0.000602,-0.001796
GRC_Mycenaean:I9010,0.110408,0.160454,-0.015462,-0.071383,0.029544,-0.038487,-0.003525,0.004154,0.013499,0.056129,0.018025,0.017235,-0.00223,-0.00234,-0.023208,-0.005038,0.031553,0.003421,0.005908,-0.004002,-0.006613,0.003215,-0.016145,-0.007109,-0.003113
GRC_Mycenaean:I9033,0.091058,0.150298,-0.004148,-0.050388,0.022773,-0.013387,0.007285,-0.006692,0.003068,0.041003,-0.003573,0.019333,-0.020218,0.005505,-0.006515,-0.026518,0.00678,-0.003167,0.012193,-0.008629,-0.002995,-0.006306,-0.000616,0.005904,0.006945
GRC_Mycenaean:I9041,0.110408,0.15436,-0.006034,-0.068476,0.020004,-0.021475,-0.00282,0.000923,0.007976,0.042097,0.003248,0.016036,-0.019326,-0.008533,-0.016015,-0.002387,0.021122,0.006588,0.010182,-0.002876,-0.006364,0.016199,0.001356,0.006386,-0.00491
Levant_LBN_Roman,0.0887823,0.1447132,-0.0554368,-0.085595,-0.0116175,-0.0282378,-0.0074612,-0.0076152,0.0076698,0.0121642,0.0031262,-0.01139,0.0130822,-0.0017893,-0.0105862,0.0093475,0.002673,-0.0006652,0.0025138,0.0022512,0.000655,0.0059042,-0.0035742,0.0001205,-0.005299
Berber_Tunisia_Chen,-0.0279499,0.1390711,-0.0080871,-0.0764792,0.0277316,-0.0352023,-0.0313867,0.0052818,0.0684246,0.0297957,0.0040057,-0.0043877,0.0196314,-0.0161248,0.0140923,-0.0169052,0.0001521,-0.0232896,-0.0467247,0.0078579,-0.0168314,-0.0404275,0.0281347,-0.0044517,0.0063666
TUR_Ottoman,0.079107,-0.0741335,0.01829,-0.0075905,-0.043085,-0.0133865,0.0029375,0.000808,-0.010124,-0.012119,-0.00885,-0.0063695,-0.0057235,-0.0088075,0.0052255,0,0.007758,0.000887,-0.0018855,-0.000375,-0.0089845,-0.0004325,-0.0096135,-0.001747,0.0003595
ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1039821,0.1495156,-0.0235307,-0.0574065,0.0045265,-0.0204055,-0.0011946,-0.0051488,0.0006604,0.0196549,0.0034575,0.0025539,-0.0040602,-0.0014737,-0.0081715,-0.0014474,0.0035992,0.000454,0.0012178,-0.0032854,-0.0025579,0.0020454,-0.0006985,-0.0004845,0.0004141
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA,0.0970122,0.1472908,-0.0604988,-0.090117,-0.0156477,-0.0341748,0.0015728,-0.0050412,-0.00306,0.0125111,0.006408,-0.0047555,0.0086109,0.004912,-0.0113588,0.0070272,-0.0005767,0.0018711,0.0047668,-0.002535,0.0021548,0.0038048,-0.0040007,-0.0040968,0.0005988That's the result for model 1 without the Sarmatian era samples:
https://ibb.co/8bqKXQj
All but one, even though I did overfitting with a multitude of sources, did pick up Channelled Ware-related ancestry.
If adding the Sarmatian era samples, those begin to dominate:
https://ibb.co/6vj2ZDd
But even then Channelled Ware related ancestry being picked up in all but 4!
The two almost fully Avar East Asian samples, which being phenotypically classified as Mongoloid in the paper, are very clear in this model too. They can be modelled with Turkic + (one quarter) Channelled Ware.
I added AV2 to the Slavic source, because its the closest we got:
This changes things somewhat:
https://ibb.co/Y3H5fp8
The most striking result is for AV1, the Slavic mixed individual. It can be modelled fully with Slavic plus Channelled Ware/Sarmatian era Transtisza ancestry! He could be Slavic-Dacian by ancestry.
Also nice to see how the quarter Germanic samples stick out (2).
If adding ADC 0,5, this is what remains in the sample - very clearly dominated by Sarmatian Transtisza ancestry!
https://ibb.co/k34m4xM
So that's the biggest constant here, the Sarmatian era Transtisza ancestry.
Code:
HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Danube-Tisza:A181013,0.129758,0.103584,0.037335,0.036176,0.001846,0.014223,0.005405,0.004615,-0.018203,-0.012392,0.002273,0.002847,-0.000446,-0.006881,-0.008007,-0.007823,0.019688,0.010642,0.005028,-0.003126,-0.015473,0.000989,0.001356,0.00735,-0.003712
HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Danube-Tisza:A181014,0.126344,0.12491,0.039598,0.026486,0.025851,0.008925,0.00329,0.006461,-0.001227,0.000729,-0.007145,0.009292,-0.008622,-0.002615,0.000679,-0.011138,-0.008475,0.000887,0.004022,-0.000625,-0.001747,0.002226,-0.002218,0.000361,-0.002275
HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Danube-Tisza:A181015,0.119514,0.100537,0.031301,0.030362,0.008309,0.008925,-0.00423,-0.001846,-0.007772,-0.000364,0.001624,0,-0.006838,-0.002752,0.002579,-0.009149,-0.009648,-0.001014,0.005405,-0.003502,-0.00836,-0.006677,0.00456,-0.005302,-0.010658
HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Danube-Tisza:A181016,0.122929,0.101553,0.038843,0.034238,0.005232,-0.000837,0.011045,-0.003,-0.00859,0.003462,0.001461,-3e-04,0.004608,-0.010046,0.008279,-0.004641,-0.015646,-0.009628,0.008422,0.003001,-0.001622,-0.005193,0.006162,-0.006025,-0.004311
HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Danube-Tisza:A181017,0.126344,0.110693,0.041483,0.038437,0.022466,0.013387,0.001175,0.004615,-0.004295,-0.001458,-0.005359,0.005545,-0.007879,-0.011698,-0.002036,0.003182,0.00339,0.001394,-0.000628,0.003627,-0.005241,0.000124,0.001849,0.00964,-0.00455
HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Danube-Tisza:A181018,0.135449,0.125926,0.069013,0.060401,0.041854,0.021475,0.00705,0.013846,-0.000614,-0.01221,0.000162,0.003447,-0.005649,-0.002615,0.012486,0.017634,0.008214,0.0019,0.009679,0.007253,0.006114,0.002597,0.000123,0.013737,0.010298
HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Danube-Tisza:A181019,0.129758,0.12491,0.044877,0.02261,0.020311,0.004462,-0.00423,0.003923,-0.001227,0.001276,-0.009256,0.010641,-0.009068,-0.001651,0.006107,-0.001458,0.008345,0.006841,0.003142,-0.005503,0.000374,-0.000124,-0.000493,-0.006386,0.000359
HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Danube-Tisza:A181020,0.126344,0.128972,0.039598,0.030362,0.031083,0.008088,-0.000235,-0.000692,0.005931,0.003827,0.008769,3e-04,-0.003717,-0.005505,-0.010179,-0.006232,0.001434,0.00152,0.010684,-0.003627,-0.006239,-0.007419,0.009983,0.005663,-0.005628
HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Transtisza:A181021,0.135449,0.146236,0.051666,0.01615,0.041238,0.007809,0.00047,0.004615,0.005113,0.00492,0.000162,0.003747,-0.006838,0.008945,-0.002986,-0.010607,-0.009127,0.002027,0.004525,0.001126,0.001497,0.00371,0.007025,-0.001687,0.001676
HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Transtisza:A181022,0.122929,0.140143,0.036204,0.015181,0.029852,0.000279,0.00752,0.009923,-0.001432,0.00656,0.002111,0.010041,-0.012042,-0.000138,-0.006922,0,0.009388,-0.000507,0.002011,-0.005002,0.000749,0.003586,0.003204,-0.010122,-0.008023
HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Transtisza:A181023,0.125205,0.119832,0.048271,0.044251,0.025851,0.020359,0.003525,0.003461,-0.001432,-0.00164,-0.003085,-0.002398,-0.000892,-0.001651,0.012351,0.005038,-0.003651,-0.00266,0.004274,5e-04,0.000624,-0.000618,-0.001725,0.006025,-0.002275
HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Transtisza:A181024,0.124067,0.133034,0.038089,0.002907,0.026774,0,0.000235,0.003461,0.000409,0.012939,0.001624,0.006294,-0.005203,-0.001239,-0.014251,-0.004508,0.013038,-0.00152,0.006159,-0.007128,-0.002371,0.002968,-0.005176,0.002169,-0.001197
HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Transtisza:A181025,0.130897,0.132019,0.036958,0.018734,0.037238,0.00502,0.001175,0.001846,0.005931,0.00492,0,0.004646,-0.008771,0,-0.001629,0.000265,0.005085,-0.003547,0.005531,-0.004127,-0.003494,0.001237,0.008381,0.002289,-0.005508
HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Transtisza:A181026,0.133173,0.13405,0.053551,0.014858,0.036622,0.00753,0.00376,0.005077,0.001636,0.009294,0.001949,0.008542,-0.010555,0.006193,-0.004343,-0.006629,-0.013169,0.004307,0.009679,-0.003752,-0.012728,-0.002226,0.006162,0.003976,0.001437
HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Transtisza:A181027,0.120652,0.146236,0.02225,-0.013889,0.031698,-0.010598,0.00282,0.003231,0.003886,0.025513,-0.001299,0.004346,-0.018583,-0.008808,-0.011808,0.009546,0.026598,-0.003294,-0.002891,-0.002626,-0.006114,0.002226,0.002835,0.007109,-0.010298
HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Transtisza:A181028,0.133173,0.11577,0.049403,0.024548,0.032929,0.004183,0.003055,0.002077,0.004295,0.001458,-0.003735,0.002098,-0.007284,-0.009771,0.000814,0.012729,0.008866,0.000887,0.007542,0.003627,-0.012353,-0.004575,-0.007888,0.004097,-0.006227
Channelled Ware_LBA_EIA:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18213,0.127482,0.149283,0.0445,0.01615,0.040931,0.004183,0.002585,-0.002538,0.01084,0.018041,-0.000974,0.008243,-0.004014,0.002202,-0.007193,-0.00769,-0.013951,0.005701,0.007165,-0.006753,-0.003868,0.000618,-0.008997,-0.014701,0.005748
Channelled Ware_LBA_EIA:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18239,0.12862,0.14319,0.049026,-0.001938,0.047701,0,0.004465,0.000462,0.01309,0.018953,0.006171,0.007493,-0.007582,-0.00234,-0.007057,0.001989,0.007693,0.00114,-0.004274,-5e-04,0.001622,0.004328,-0.005793,-0.010001,0.003952
Channelled Ware_LBA_EIA:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18245,0.133173,0.149283,0.05506,0.026486,0.044931,0.006972,0.011986,0.009,0.01268,0.006743,0.001949,-0.000749,-0.003865,0.003165,-0.004207,0.006099,0.005607,0.002534,0.002137,-0.001126,0.002246,-0.004451,0.000986,-0.005181,-0.010897
Channelled Ware_LBA_EIA:HUN_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18246,0.119514,0.149283,0.056945,0.013243,0.047393,0.005578,0.001175,0.003231,0.01309,0.014397,0.002761,0.002398,-0.004906,0.006744,-0.005836,-0.004243,-0.001304,-0.007095,0.005656,-0.000375,-0.009234,0.009521,0.003574,-0.013616,0.003233
Channelled Ware_LBA_EIA:HUN_LBA:I20749,0.133173,0.136081,0.065242,0.049096,0.048932,0.013387,0.003055,0.006231,0.009408,0.008018,-0.003085,-0.005245,0.000446,0.006193,-0.006922,0.016839,0.024773,-0.004054,-0.007165,0.013381,0.005241,0.001237,0.000863,-0.012893,-0.00934
Channelled Ware_LBA_EIA:HUN_LBA:I1504,0.125205,0.15436,0.060716,0.033592,0.061242,0.008646,0.00423,0.007615,0.014317,0.007836,-0.004547,-0.006594,0.001041,0.007432,-0.002579,-0.001591,0.010952,-0.002027,0.008547,0.004752,0.004617,0.005317,0.003081,-0.013134,0.000239
Channelled Ware_LBA_EIA:HUN_LBA:I20751,0.126344,0.142174,0.059962,0.032946,0.051394,0.009482,0.00517,0.003461,0.016157,0.020046,-0.007307,-0.000599,-0.001784,-0.003303,-0.006786,0.018297,0.014603,0.006968,0.004274,0.002626,-0.001497,0.001484,-0.004437,-0.00012,-0.002515
Channelled Ware_LBA_EIA:HUN_LBA:I20771,0.133173,0.135065,0.061094,0.046512,0.050779,0.016455,0.002585,0.003461,0.010226,0.007472,-0.00065,-0.01109,-0.002676,0.001651,-0.007736,0.017237,0.024773,-0.009755,-0.005154,0.013256,0.00549,0.001237,0.000246,-0.014098,-0.005149
Channelled Ware_LBA_EIA:HUN_LBA:I20773,0.132035,0.146236,0.064488,0.035207,0.056318,0.01004,0.013631,0.001154,0.018203,0.018953,0.00406,-0.002997,0.003122,-0.003991,0.00285,0.024264,0.004694,0.010515,-0.002765,-0.000875,-0.01984,0.007419,-0.014543,-0.012291,-0.002994
Channelled Ware_LBA_EIA:HUN_LBA:I25505,0.130897,0.147252,0.064488,0.033592,0.045855,-0.000279,0.003995,0.004154,0.015544,0.01057,-0.007145,0.01169,-0.00223,0.005367,0.001764,-0.012066,-0.008996,0.005828,0.010307,-0.005253,0.004617,0.008285,0.002465,-0.015062,-0.004071
Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA134,0.1161,0.054839,0.037335,0.057817,-0.033852,0.031236,0.00846,0.000231,-0.037223,-0.043554,0.001786,-0.005245,0.000149,-0.026974,0.02348,0.004508,-0.014473,-0.002154,-0.004777,-0.001126,-0.008859,0.01422,0.003697,0.008314,0.005029
Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA136,0.113823,0.039606,0.039221,0.061047,-0.028005,0.020638,-0.007755,0.002077,-0.023111,-0.033349,-0.005521,0.006145,-0.004906,-0.03358,0.021308,0.030496,-0.002738,0.003927,-0.007793,0.009379,-0.010232,0.019166,-0.008011,0.003133,0.003592
Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA139,0.104717,0.051792,0.02753,0.047481,-0.021235,0.015897,0.00094,-0.009461,-0.032724,-0.03262,-0.002111,-0.003597,-0.009217,-0.017478,0.015879,0.009149,0.01343,-0.012669,-0.003897,0.007754,-0.012728,-0.004699,-0.005546,0.009519,-0.000718
Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA141,0.112685,0.039606,0.033564,0.073967,-0.031083,0.031236,0.00658,0.005538,-0.032928,-0.030616,-0.003085,-0.005245,-0.010406,-0.026974,0.018322,0.020021,0.000652,0.000507,-0.001383,-0.005878,-0.003369,0.000866,0.009367,0.014098,-0.000718
Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA143,0.112685,0.054839,0.039598,0.07429,-0.033852,0.030678,0.00094,0.007384,-0.021066,-0.039545,-0.002761,-0.000899,-0.006838,-0.021056,0.019815,0.008221,-0.011735,-0.004814,-0.011187,5e-04,-0.005116,0.000866,0.002711,-0.005302,-0.000239
Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA144,0.10927,0.043668,0.032432,0.076874,-0.022158,0.030678,-0.00893,0.000231,-0.032724,-0.03991,-0.011367,-0.009591,0.010704,-0.02491,0.019679,0.004641,-0.001434,0.001014,0.00088,-0.000375,-0.023583,-0.001113,-0.001356,0.010122,0.011376
CZE_MBA_Tumulus:I16099,0.126344,0.145221,0.064111,0.021641,0.044931,0.010319,0.001175,0.003692,0.015544,0.015855,-0.00341,0.009292,-0.017393,-0.007982,0.00095,0.023999,0.002347,0.005954,-0.001508,0,0.005615,0.004946,-0.008874,-0.01699,-0.005389
CZE_MBA_Tumulus:I16100,0.129758,0.133034,0.061094,0.050065,0.046778,0.016733,0,0.005077,0.008385,-0.002187,-0.005359,0.001798,-0.007284,-0.005505,0.004343,-0.002784,0.002738,-0.003674,-0.001508,-0.005503,0.008735,0.005935,-0.002342,-0.007953,0.002036
CZE_MBA_Tumulus:I16111,0.126344,0.145221,0.053551,0.033269,0.045547,0.01004,0.007755,0.006,0.001227,0.018953,0.005846,0.004196,-0.008176,-0.004266,0.006107,-0.013657,-0.02725,-0.001394,-0.001885,-0.001,0.000125,-0.001607,-0.012078,-0.002048,-0.005987
CZE_MBA_Tumulus:I16112,0.130897,0.142174,0.054305,0.022287,0.047393,0.009203,-0.00047,0.007154,0.002045,0.019499,-0.006008,0.001948,-0.018731,-0.014863,-0.005157,0.001591,-0.005737,-0.000887,-0.000126,-0.001126,-0.003619,-0.005688,-0.005423,-0.007591,-0.002994
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Dai,0.0156507,-0.438709,-0.046763,-0.0609662,0.1201762,0.0622622,0.00047,-0.0073845,-0.0189698,-0.013121,0.0109208,0.0020232,-0.000446,-0.006193,0.0012895,0.0045742,0.0061282,-0.0009502,-0.0043368,-0.011662,0.0121972,0.0090268,0.0149438,0.002892,0.007095
Germanic:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019,0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Germanic:VK2020_NOR_North_IA:VK418,0.125205,0.132019,0.070144,0.064277,0.040315,0.019522,0.00423,0.013846,0.007567,-0.007107,-0.001786,-0.002847,-0.011001,-0.001514,0.031487,-0.005967,-0.029858,-0.0019,0.00352,0.003001,0.010606,0.000371,0,0.003012,-0.000838
Germanic:VK2020_NOR_South_IA:VK391,0.12862,0.141159,0.080327,0.062662,0.047701,0.022311,0.012691,0.011076,-0.003068,-0.015672,-0.012666,-0.004496,-0.002081,-0.007707,0.019679,0.0118,0.004303,0.003547,-0.006159,0.001,0.006988,-0.002597,-0.010723,0.014098,0.011017
Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0.046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0.004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.147252,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany,0.12862,0.1376045,0.0705215,0.034238,0.0481625,0.004044,0.0019975,0.001385,0.018509,0.019955,-0.012017,-0.0052455,-0.00944,0.0006195,0.0095685,-0.0013255,-0.005998,0.001774,0.0048395,0.0080665,0.001061,0.0019785,-0.0006165,-0.005422,-0.0034725
Proto_Illyrian:HRV_MBA:I24342,0.127482,0.138112,0.041483,0.009367,0.038776,-0.006414,-0.002115,0.001385,0.015544,0.023144,0.004384,0.012289,-0.018285,-0.011285,0.0095,0.001724,-0.001043,0.002154,0.001383,0,0.006738,0.005193,-0.00493,-0.001807,-0.001557
Proto_Illyrian:HRV_MBA:I26726,0.121791,0.144205,0.032432,-0.012274,0.026466,-0.000279,-0.006815,-0.001154,0.005931,0.030069,0.008444,0.006145,-0.029137,0.001789,-0.000814,-0.017634,-0.01369,-0.000633,0.014078,-0.010505,-0.004617,0.004575,0.002342,0.004458,-0.001317
Proto_Illyrian:HRV_MBA:I26773,0.122929,0.144205,0.045254,0.004199,0.023697,-0.006414,-0.006815,-0.005538,0.006136,0.026242,0.002273,0.01169,-0.021853,-0.015414,0.005836,-0.001458,0.007041,0.009375,0.004274,-0.006128,-0.012228,0.003091,-0.00419,0.005543,-0.006347
Proto_Illyrian:HRV_MBA:I26774,0.12862,0.149283,0.039221,0.002907,0.033852,0.000279,-0.00282,0.008538,0.008385,0.026242,-0.000812,0.01094,-0.016353,-0.000826,0.001764,-0.006364,-0.002086,0.00076,0.007668,-0.004502,0.000374,0.011994,-0.003821,0.004097,-0.003952
Proto_Illyrian:HRV_MBA:I26893,0.129758,0.149283,0.041106,0.013889,0.02739,0.002789,0.00188,0.002077,0.004909,0.023144,-0.007957,0.010491,-0.024975,-0.014588,0.001764,0.005569,0.021383,0.001394,0.006536,0.001876,-0.002995,0.004946,0.002465,0.005302,-0.006347
Proto_Illyrian:HRV_MBA:I4331,0.12862,0.151314,0.028284,-0.007429,0.038776,-0.006972,-0.00705,-0.006,0.003681,0.028064,0.006171,0.010341,-0.017542,-0.003578,-0.0076,0.006497,0.008084,-0.003041,0.006159,-0.011631,-0.005865,-0.001113,-0.00037,0.003856,-0.001197
Proto_Illyrian:HRV_MBA:I4332,0.120652,0.147252,0.034318,-0.012274,0.038469,0.002231,-0.00423,0.001154,0.009613,0.032074,-0.006008,0.01094,-0.012487,-0.014726,-0.005972,0.01074,0.02047,-0.00114,0.000754,-0.011005,-0.001248,0.008656,-0.00419,0.002048,-0.002395
South_Thrace_local:BGR_IA:I5769,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
GRC_Mycenaean:I9006,0.119514,0.160454,-0.006788,-0.068476,0.014464,-0.03514,-0.003055,-0.006923,-0.002863,0.050115,0.004384,0.015137,-0.009366,0.00289,-0.019815,-0.005304,0.024643,0.007601,0.020992,-0.000375,-0.007487,-0.012365,-0.010969,-0.000602,-0.001796
GRC_Mycenaean:I9010,0.110408,0.160454,-0.015462,-0.071383,0.029544,-0.038487,-0.003525,0.004154,0.013499,0.056129,0.018025,0.017235,-0.00223,-0.00234,-0.023208,-0.005038,0.031553,0.003421,0.005908,-0.004002,-0.006613,0.003215,-0.016145,-0.007109,-0.003113
GRC_Mycenaean:I9033,0.091058,0.150298,-0.004148,-0.050388,0.022773,-0.013387,0.007285,-0.006692,0.003068,0.041003,-0.003573,0.019333,-0.020218,0.005505,-0.006515,-0.026518,0.00678,-0.003167,0.012193,-0.008629,-0.002995,-0.006306,-0.000616,0.005904,0.006945
GRC_Mycenaean:I9041,0.110408,0.15436,-0.006034,-0.068476,0.020004,-0.021475,-0.00282,0.000923,0.007976,0.042097,0.003248,0.016036,-0.019326,-0.008533,-0.016015,-0.002387,0.021122,0.006588,0.010182,-0.002876,-0.006364,0.016199,0.001356,0.006386,-0.00491
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Berber_Tunisia_Chen,-0.0279499,0.1390711,-0.0080871,-0.0764792,0.0277316,-0.0352023,-0.0313867,0.0052818,0.0684246,0.0297957,0.0040057,-0.0043877,0.0196314,-0.0161248,0.0140923,-0.0169052,0.0001521,-0.0232896,-0.0467247,0.0078579,-0.0168314,-0.0404275,0.0281347,-0.0044517,0.0063666
TUR_Ottoman,0.079107,-0.0741335,0.01829,-0.0075905,-0.043085,-0.0133865,0.0029375,0.000808,-0.010124,-0.012119,-0.00885,-0.0063695,-0.0057235,-0.0088075,0.0052255,0,0.007758,0.000887,-0.0018855,-0.000375,-0.0089845,-0.0004325,-0.0096135,-0.001747,0.0003595
ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1039821,0.1495156,-0.0235307,-0.0574065,0.0045265,-0.0204055,-0.0011946,-0.0051488,0.0006604,0.0196549,0.0034575,0.0025539,-0.0040602,-0.0014737,-0.0081715,-0.0014474,0.0035992,0.000454,0.0012178,-0.0032854,-0.0025579,0.0020454,-0.0006985,-0.0004845,0.0004141
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA,0.0970122,0.1472908,-0.0604988,-0.090117,-0.0156477,-0.0341748,0.0015728,-0.0050412,-0.00306,0.0125111,0.006408,-0.0047555,0.0086109,0.004912,-0.0113588,0.0070272,-0.0005767,0.0018711,0.0047668,-0.002535,0.0021548,0.0038048,-0.0040007,-0.0040968,0.0005988This changes things somewhat:
https://ibb.co/Y3H5fp8
The most striking result is for AV1, the Slavic mixed individual. It can be modelled fully with Slavic plus Channelled Ware/Sarmatian era Transtisza ancestry! He could be Slavic-Dacian by ancestry.
Also nice to see how the quarter Germanic samples stick out (2).
If adding ADC 0,5, this is what remains in the sample - very clearly dominated by Sarmatian Transtisza ancestry!
https://ibb.co/k34m4xM
So that's the biggest constant here, the Sarmatian era Transtisza ancestry.
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I'm wondering more and more if EV-13 was largely spread by Imperial Romans. For example in Western Europe it's definitely largely due to Romans. I'm glad we saw it in the Western Balkans in antiquity to shut some dumb theories on this forum, but there really seems to be a temporal problem with EV-13.
Ultimately, I don't think all EV-13 comes from one source. But the fact that it's so widespread all over Europe it's neither due to Albanians nor "Dacians" that cover all of Eastern Europe according to some here.
Ultimately, I don't think all EV-13 comes from one source. But the fact that it's so widespread all over Europe it's neither due to Albanians nor "Dacians" that cover all of Eastern Europe according to some here.
There is no growth in the Roman era and very little to no overlap of the branches for that time frame. Most of the TMRCAs date to a much earlier period, which points to founder effects and expansions in the Late Bronze and pre-Roman Iron Age. So the only thing which could have happened in Roman era is some sort of redistribution of some lineages, of which most show no Southern/Balkan overlap however.
The question was never whether e.g. Croatia had E-V13 by the Roman era, in fact, by the Roman era regions like France and England should have had some (minor) E-V13 as well. But where E-V13 was in the MBA-LBA primarily and in the earlier Iron Age secondarily. If it would be found in larger numbers and diversity in MBA Croatia, that would be big.
It has to come from one source about 4.800 years ago:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-V13/
And we can see when the major clades came up, had massive founder effects and spread: The main period of expansion was in the Late Bronze to Middle Iron Age, largely ending with the Roman era.
This has to be associated with one ethnic group and dispersion, most likely Proto-Thracian and Channelled Ware. But even if that would be wrong, there should be an alternative. However, there is none left big enough to account for that pattern anyway and all the evidence points towards Channelled Ware/G?va or at least Belegis II-G?va being the source.
Dacians will be a big part, but just one part of the bigger picture, because by the time fo the Thacians, there had been movements outside of the Thracian sphere and there were a lot of E-V13 carriers in Southern Thracians and presumably Greeks as well. Also Illyrians had picked it up, by then, especially those with closer ties to Channelled Ware peopel in the LBA-EIA.
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You have 0 samples that show EV-13 in Thracians and Dacians. And when I say same source I'm not talking about TMRCA, but the latter branches in antiquity. Obviously everything goes back to 1 with all Y-DNA by definition.
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The chronology presented in this 2022 paper is awesome.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...onze_age_Central_Balkans_in_light_of_new_data
The importance of Belegis-Gava II into the Late Bronze Age to Early Iron Age is evident.
There was indeed a Balkan-Carpathian sphere which used kanellure method. In Brnjica kanellure was occassionally used before Belegis-Gava II and this influence was made by Vatin Cultural Complex.
Channeled decorations were used by Cotofeni/Wietenberg group in Transylvania.
South Albania and Epirus did saw influence from these people where flame shaped spears, Reutlingen sword appears. No wonder during Iron Age the Enchelei at the same site used cremation on a pyre on top of a low tumuli as burial site.
I think that the connection of E-V13 and Belegis-Gava II is uncanny.
Core Gava, Vatin and Brnjica and probably Mycenae should be proven.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...onze_age_Central_Balkans_in_light_of_new_data
The importance of Belegis-Gava II into the Late Bronze Age to Early Iron Age is evident.
There was indeed a Balkan-Carpathian sphere which used kanellure method. In Brnjica kanellure was occassionally used before Belegis-Gava II and this influence was made by Vatin Cultural Complex.
Channeled decorations were used by Cotofeni/Wietenberg group in Transylvania.
South Albania and Epirus did saw influence from these people where flame shaped spears, Reutlingen sword appears. No wonder during Iron Age the Enchelei at the same site used cremation on a pyre on top of a low tumuli as burial site.
I think that the connection of E-V13 and Belegis-Gava II is uncanny.
Core Gava, Vatin and Brnjica and probably Mycenae should be proven.
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I would expect earliest E-V13 to be found within Cotofeni context, something Usatovo/Cotofeni. Then Wietenberg-Ottomany and finally Gava and wider Kanellure affected cultures.
This should make sense based on the data we have so far.
This should make sense based on the data we have so far.
Cotofeni is indeed highly likely, considering the strong local contribution in this steppified group and how they persisted when Yamnaya invaded. They were just never broken. But I think from there on its rather Mak?-Livezile into Nyirseg and then it gets tricky, into early, Eastern Otomani or Wietenberg, yes.
Suciu de Sus shows interesting parallels with Southern groups as well as with Nyirseg, even though there is a gap between the groups. So I would say it could be a local, Nyirseg dominated revival, so to say. This happened when the Kostany-Epi-Corded Western F?zesabony-Otomani got weakened by the Tumulus culture invasion and this created the TC influences mixed groups of Piliny and Berkesz-Demecser. And I think Berkesz-Demecser/Suciu de Sus is the direct ancestor for G?va and highly likely to harbour a lot of E-V13. Piliny is the ancestor Kyjatice, I'm less sure about these - sure they should have some, but not necessarily as much.
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It looks like Cotofeni was derived from Baden which in turn was derived from Lengyel. An option let's say. We also need Vinca-Turdas samples (the G2a/H2a so far are not from core Vinca-Turdas, but more like periphery), because the Vinca-Turdas people migrated in Carpathia/Oltenia/Transylvania after the Yamnaya invasion and east of Tisza, nobody really knows what happened with them. Perhaps Baden, Vinca-Turdas, Usatovo-Kurgan, Cucuteni-Trypillian people all mingled in Carpathians.
Bodrog- keresztur,
Tiszapolgar/Bodrogkeresztur, and Tripolye-Cucuteni being options beside late Epi-Lengyel. In the end, considering that by about 5.000-4.500 BC at some point there was just one individual, the earlier migrations are secondary for proving it. Might be sheer luck to get one of the few E-V13ers which roamed around in the right culture. We might find "wrong dead ends" at some point, which lead nowhere. The founder in the Eneolithic-EBA matters, because 99,99 % of all modern E-V13 descend from this, even if there would be some survivors around somewhere, eventually.
Tiszapolgar/Bodrogkeresztur, and Tripolye-Cucuteni being options beside late Epi-Lengyel. In the end, considering that by about 5.000-4.500 BC at some point there was just one individual, the earlier migrations are secondary for proving it. Might be sheer luck to get one of the few E-V13ers which roamed around in the right culture. We might find "wrong dead ends" at some point, which lead nowhere. The founder in the Eneolithic-EBA matters, because 99,99 % of all modern E-V13 descend from this, even if there would be some survivors around somewhere, eventually.
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Hungarian archaeologist Emilia Pasztor in one of her presentations puts the possibility of Southern migrants in Carpathian Basin during Early Bronze Age. She thinks the avian anthropomorphic figures in Carpathian Mountains ( which latter on was noticeably detected on Grla Mara/Dubovac Zuto Brdo, Bosut-Basarabi and Psenicevo related E-V13 ) were brought by Southern migrants from somewhere from Thessaly, Macedonia migrating North.
Funny enough, Gabor Vekony thinks that the Cotofeni Culture was heavily influenced by invasion of shepherds from Macedonia/Bulgaria highlands and they were the first people to practice cremation there.
It might be just a coincidence though, but anyway, Sesklo-Dimini is supposed to have made a contribution on Danubian Neolithic Civilization where presumably from one of them E-V13 originates from.
Funny enough, Gabor Vekony thinks that the Cotofeni Culture was heavily influenced by invasion of shepherds from Macedonia/Bulgaria highlands and they were the first people to practice cremation there.
It might be just a coincidence though, but anyway, Sesklo-Dimini is supposed to have made a contribution on Danubian Neolithic Civilization where presumably from one of them E-V13 originates from.
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As far as Bell-Beaker influence comes in:
I think this goes perfectly in line with Joachim Matzinger more than a decade study of Albanian and Illyrian languages, Illyrians archaeologically via Cetina/Belotic Bela Crkva have Bell Beaker influence, Matzinger concluded that Illyrian doesn't belong to Balkanic IE but rather to East Alpine to West Balkan who latter infiltrated further into the Balkans.
This leaves Albanian language debate, either it was related to Greek-Armenian (something i am skeptical about for various obvious reasons), or a language brought by one of the groups of Channeled-Ware/Kanellure Urnfield invaders during Bronze to Irone age transition period (i am a proponent of this, based on some Albanoid/Albanoid-like toponyms and considering that John Basset Trumper is a big proponent of Southern Central Europe origin for Albanoid).
I think this goes perfectly in line with Joachim Matzinger more than a decade study of Albanian and Illyrian languages, Illyrians archaeologically via Cetina/Belotic Bela Crkva have Bell Beaker influence, Matzinger concluded that Illyrian doesn't belong to Balkanic IE but rather to East Alpine to West Balkan who latter infiltrated further into the Balkans.
This leaves Albanian language debate, either it was related to Greek-Armenian (something i am skeptical about for various obvious reasons), or a language brought by one of the groups of Channeled-Ware/Kanellure Urnfield invaders during Bronze to Irone age transition period (i am a proponent of this, based on some Albanoid/Albanoid-like toponyms and considering that John Basset Trumper is a big proponent of Southern Central Europe origin for Albanoid).
It's really Illyrian, Thracian or something in between. That's the bottomline. Considering that J-L283 being dominant in Illyrians and E-V13 in Thracians, with many groups being mixed (like Triballi, Srem group, Dardanians, Eastern Hallstatt groups etc.), the question is which side was stronger in the Proto-Albanian earliest communities, if looking at it from the purely genetic point of view. R-Z2103 might be related to Brygi/Phrygians and is definitenly related to Greco-Armenian, though it depends on the subclades too, considering its fairly old in the region and present in different groups. I wouldn't wonder about a presence in Thracians too (lower level).
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I really don't see how Belotic-Bela Crkva has significant parallels to later Cetina or even is ancestral, as some are claiming, let alone Posusje culture. Also, a categorization of Illyrian is not possible due to it being a very vaguely transmitted language. I also don't see how the genetics would support such a hypothesis.
Out of interest, what do you two think about the idea of Belotic-Bela Crkva yielding the main bulk of EBA E1b-V13, as I see this in repetitive opinions by internet enthusiasts like Bruzmi etc.?
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I think it's possible, but some E-V13 only, not the main bulk (i still think Belotic Bela Crkva must have been J2b2-L283 and perhaps R1b-Z2103), i am of the opinion currently that E-V13 arose in Balkans, or Balkan-Danubian spheres with the southern Tell Cultures(Vinca-Turdas, Koros, Sopot-Lengyel, Baden: one of them must be, perhaps even more south Bubanj-Hum, Armenochori or somewhere from Thessaly-Macedonia), and they retreated nearby in Carpathian Mountains after the Yamnaya destruction and invasion. It's very hard and impossible at this stage to say which one because different groups seeked shelter in Carpathian Mountains.
This going by sheer intuition of Psenicevo (Eastern Urnfield/Eastern Hallstatt) finds of E-V13 and latter time to time pop up in Hallstatt hemisphere (even on Southern France La Tene very likely).
Until now, i don't know, i am confused how Tumulus, Cotofeni-derived/like native groups like Lapus/Siu de Sus/Maramures/Gava and Encrusted Pottery Culture people interacted, these native Carpathian groups had cultural ties or were single hemisphere down to Vatin/Belegis and even Brnjica to some occasions where you see similar patterns. But to what degree they were related Y-DNA-wise i don't know. One from these groups was victorious in their constant clashes in and around Danube-Tisza basin. Which one we might see. According to archaeologists from modern countries which encompass these ancient cultures (Serb, Hungarian, Romanian) it was the so called Gava which topped over the rest in Vojvodina and Danube basin. When Gava mixed with Belegis I and Vatin-related cultures like Grla-Mara/Dubovac Zuto Brdo we have the so called Belegis-Gava II, or archaeologists make their work easier and they just associate various inter-related groups or lump them under the umbrella Channeled-Ware/Eastern Urnfielders.
But, there is absolutely no doubt that cremation on a pyre was a thing for these people, they also practiced inhumation, Herodotus was first-eye witness of burial rite of Thracians, they used both cremation and inhumation, so that means bi-ritual. Moesians like Triballi were more strictly leaning toward cremation, but cremation during tough times was a luxury, people because of hardships must have abandoned that practice, hence always when we see this kind of transitions archaeologists also check the pottery, weapons, and all kind of items to determine whether the intrusion of new people triggered the switch, or some kind of religious change.
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Also, interesting to note that Marija Gimbutas said that the way Homer described Patroclus burial (no matter if this character never existed) with cremation on a pyre resembles the Urnfield Culture from Caka and surroundings.
I am of the opinion that the Urnfield way of life, or Urnfield Cultural complex was formed when the Tumulus warriors invaded Pannonia and Carpathia, especially Eastern Carpathia where they mingled with native people and then re-expanded giving influence to the Urnfield way, it doesn't have to be a complete invasion, just partial/minimal, and partial more like religious/idea spread. Just notice how cremation was mixed with mound burial, something which historical Dacians, Enchelei, Dardanii used.
The Bronze to Iron Age transition was a massive event, you see turmoils everywhere in Europe, causing domino-effects of migrations.
I am of the opinion that the Urnfield way of life, or Urnfield Cultural complex was formed when the Tumulus warriors invaded Pannonia and Carpathia, especially Eastern Carpathia where they mingled with native people and then re-expanded giving influence to the Urnfield way, it doesn't have to be a complete invasion, just partial/minimal, and partial more like religious/idea spread. Just notice how cremation was mixed with mound burial, something which historical Dacians, Enchelei, Dardanii used.
The Bronze to Iron Age transition was a massive event, you see turmoils everywhere in Europe, causing domino-effects of migrations.
Like I wrote before, both Cetina and Posusje (with Castellieri influences) are clearly West Adriatic-Alpine influenced cultures, heavily influenced by Bell Beakers (Cetina) and Tumulus culture and Apennine Italian culture (Posusje). They are very clearly groups of the Western contact zone, and you see it in their autosomal DNA too, how close they plot with the Southern Beakers. There arose a J-L283 dominated subgroup and ethnicity, which I think being the Proto-Illyrians.
The older Central Balkan groups seem to have influenced both the Cetina-Posusje and G?va-Channelled Ware groups, but being in the end just overrun when those two expanded. Like you can see that they really partitioned the Balkan down to the Greeks, by and large.
There could have been single finds of E-V13, probably dead ends, virtually everywhere, but I don't see them being of any significance in these old Balkan groups, because if they would, these should be totally dominated by E-V13 and even then it wouldn't be enough, probably, becaue they were truly overrun and largely replaced. Therefore it should have popped up, long ago, in these areas tested already, if it was there and so significant.
The new samples from Hungary just added up on this, because the clades present in both ancient and modern Hungarian samples being far more important and central to the E-V13 phylogeny and modern distribution than all the samples found further down, away from the Danube - up to this point at least.
@Hawk: Encrusted Pottery was by and large a dead end, which got squeezed to death by all sides (Tumulus culture to the West, Posusje to the South West, G?va-Kyjatice to the North East. They all pushed it down and the last remains ended up in Bulgaria, where they finally fused with the Channelled Ware people which catched them there. You see their cultural legacy in Psenichevo, added to the dominant G?va element, you see their genetic legacy in many groups, including Western G?va (increased WHG), but they as a cohesive group seem to have ceased to exist.
And they nowhere had the impact necessary to account for E-V13, because they were truly "beaten up" in the MBA-LBA period. Not annihilated, but really badly hurt and decimated, the remains finally soaked up by the groups mentioned.
The question is really whether from Cotofeni -> Mak?-Livezile -> Nyirseg the gap can be bridged from Early Otomani, because F?zesabony was clearly foreign influenced by Epi-Corded groups from Kostany (ultimately originating from Mierzanowice, related to Baltoslavs).
The only problem we have right now is the gap between Nyirseg-Early Otomani to Suciu de Sus/Lapus I/Berkesz-Demecser in my opinion. And the most likely scenario is that the very Eastern F?zesabony-Otomani groups were still dominated by Nyirseg, rather than Southern newcomers, which however kept close ties to the Aegean, and when the West got smashed, all the networks of the Pannonian Tell cultures, due to the Tumulus culture invasion/Koszider horizon, they rose to power and dominance. This is when the E-V13 growth in the MBA-LBA transition started, and got rapid in the LBA-EIA when G?va was formed.
G?va was just the unified horizon of the Eastern group dominated by Suciu de Sus/Lapus I/Berkesz-Demecser. The Western group was going from Piliny to Kyjatice. Piliny had an influence on G?va too, but I think mostly cultural. Genetically, I think we see the transition from Suciu de Sus to Berkesz-Demecser and Lapus I, which adopted Piliny and Tumulus culture elements, and then formed G?va as a unified horizon.
The main difference of Berkesz-Demecser to Suciu de Sus is this stronger TC/Piliny influence. So the main local component, im my opinion, is simply Suciu de Sus. That's the culture which had the strongest parallels - contrary to other F?zesabony-Otomani groups, both to Nyirseg substrate groups and more Southern influences too.
I really think Suciu de Sus is the main E-V13 group in the MBA-LBA. Berkesz-Demecser is just the cultural evolution on its basis, being inspired by TC (Carpathian TC, Egyek) and Piliny to the West.
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