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    Yamnaya dna and viloence

    Maybe this has been asked before but here is my question.
    Prior to about 6000 years ago, the warrior society and constant violence seemed fairly rare. When the Yamnaya moved thru Western Europe, violence and the warrior clans seem to have increased a great deal. My question is were people that the Yamnaya replaced genetically more passive, and the Yamnaya genetically more aggressive and prone to violence, and has that genetic tendency to violence stuck with us today? Has there ever been any kind of study showing one haplogroup being more prone to violence than another?

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    Farmers were aggressive too

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-04773-w

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    Violence was long time present among humans, here an evidence of massacre in Neolithic Croatia: https://www.newscientist.com/article...minate-killing

    It's just that Yamnaya took the advantage of failing Neolithic world (for unknown reasons yet), and better weapons (metals) to conquer whole Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cato View Post
    Farmers were aggressive too

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-04773-w

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    Actually they might have been even more aggressive and cruel at times, judging by the evidence, with some pointing to mutilation and cannibalistic rituals. For sure no peaceful matriarchal utopia type of society some had in mind.

    Warfare in the widest sense is already common in chimpanzees and humans being specialised in both cooperation and competition within the species. They need to be able to do both.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Violence was long time present among humans, here an evidence of massacre in Neolithic Croatia: https://www.newscientist.com/article...minate-killing

    It's just that Yamnaya took the advantage of failing Neolithic world (for unknown reasons yet), and better weapons (metals) to conquer whole Europe.
    Metals? Rather not, because the most successful of them all, the Corded Ware Culture, had rather less metal, especially metal weapons, than many contemporaries. That's the funniest part. The groups with more metal weapons and possibly more intensive use of horses like Yamnaya and Usatovo were not the ones making the biggest impression on the long run. Most of the replacement was done by Corded Ware, which was an independent branch, fairly conservative culturally and worked in small groups of agro-pastoralist settlers.

    They were in many ways so close to Globular Amphora people, that originally they were thought of being genetically related by many. Even physically, the difference is not that big, the GAC were just shorter by a bit, that was the main obvious difference on the bones.

    GAC-TRB itself were expansive cultures which conquered most of the zone Corded Ware did overtake later from earlier groups of Neolithics. In that way Corded Ware was to a large degree the heir of GAC-TRB, which were also cattle breeders and quite warlike. Some GAC and steppe groups even fused and expanded together in areas of the Balkans for example. Others fused later, after the GAC-TRB groups were able to defend themselves, and left their genetic mark, e.g. in Poland and Scandinavia-Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericrdpilot View Post
    Maybe this has been asked before but here is my question.
    Prior to about 6000 years ago, the warrior society and constant violence seemed fairly rare. When the Yamnaya moved thru Western Europe, violence and the warrior clans seem to have increased a great deal. My question is were people that the Yamnaya replaced genetically more passive, and the Yamnaya genetically more aggressive and prone to violence, and has that genetic tendency to violence stuck with us today? Has there ever been any kind of study showing one haplogroup being more prone to violence than another?
    What makes you think people back then was less violent? Indians were far less backward, that's why they were conquered. But judging from the evidence of the Azctec Empire, we know they were much more violent. Look at the Papuas, the Congolese too...
    Don't confuse technological underdevelopment and disorganized peoples with pacifism.

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