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Thread: aDNA (Dodecad K12b)

  1. #101
    Regular Member AlfonsoVIII's Avatar
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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-A8053 > FGC37100
    MtDNA haplogroup
    U3a1

    Ethnic group
    Castilian
    Country: Spain - Castilla & Leon



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    Distance to: AlfonsoVIII
    12.18798179 Salzmuende_MN:I0802:Lipson_2017
    19.43717315 Salzmuende_MN:I0800:Lipson_2017
    19.72442902 Bell_Beaker_LN:I0113:Mathieson_2015
    20.33609353 Bell_Beaker_LN:I0111:Mathieson_2015
    21.52699468 Bell_Beaker_LN:I0108:Mathieson_2015
    23.64131342 LBK_EN:I2026:Lipson_2017
    24.79096811 Bell_Beaker_LN:I0805:Mathieson_2015
    24.89760430 Remedello:RISE486:Allentoft_2015
    25.56241381 Bell_Beaker_LN:I0060:Mathieson_2015
    25.68859475 LBK_EN:I0022_LBK1976:Haak_2015
    25.75118056 Bell_Beaker_LN:I1546:Mathieson_2015
    26.03044564 LBK_EN:I0022:Mathieson_2015
    27.73273517 LBK_EN:I0025:Mathieson_2015
    28.31860166 Bell_Beaker_LN:I0806:Mathieson_2015
    28.57260401 LBK_EN:I0795:Mathieson_2015
    28.85660583 Bell_Beaker_LN:I0112:Mathieson_2015
    29.07011352 LBK_EN:I0018:Lipson_2017
    29.54400616 LBK_EN:I1550:Mathieson_2015
    29.73799085 LBK_EN:I0047:Mathieson_2015
    29.77189446 LBK_EN:I2037:Lipson_2017
    29.96190081 LBK_EN:I0056_HAL14:Haak_2015
    30.05284346 LBK_EN:I0026_LBK2155:Haak_2015
    30.07476018 LBK_EN:I0025_LBK1992:Haak_2015
    30.26514332 LBK_EN:I2016:Lipson_2017
    30.59013730 LBK_EN:I0057:Mathieson_2015


    Target: AlfonsoVIII
    Distance: 0.5400% / 0.53998415
    46.9 LBK_EN

    22.9 Bell_Beaker_LN

    14.7 WHG_Loschbour

    7.3 Salzmuende_MN

    4.7 Yamnaya_Samara

    1.9 Iberomaurusian

    1.6 CHG

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    Regular Member Duarte's Avatar
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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-DF27/R-Y45921

    Country: Brazil



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ιωάννης Γαβριήλ View Post
    I have two different results for this Dodecadk12b from Admixture Studio and GedMatch, is one better than the other? If it is which one is it?
    Usually I've been using the Dodecad K12b coordinates that I got from uploading my kit to Gedmatch which, as far as I know, uses the algorithm and original spreadsheets developed by Dienekes. If you have DNA tests did at more than one DNA company, you can use DNA Genics' DNA kit studio to merge the SNPs from all tests into a single "super" Kit and then load it into admixture studio of DNA Genics to obtain the Dodecad K12b coordinates to use these coordinates on Vahaduo, if you want, to see your ethnic admixtures

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    Regular Member Ιωάννης Γαβριήλ's Avatar
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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R-Z46 / R-S47, R1b
    MtDNA haplogroup
    L2a1c1, L2

    Ethnic group
    Southern European + West Sub Saharan African
    Country: Brazil



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    Thank you so much! Since I don't have multiple tests I'm going to use the Gedmatch Dodecad K12b coordinates from now on :)

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    Regular Member Ιωάννης Γαβριήλ's Avatar
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    Y-DNA haplogroup
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    MtDNA haplogroup
    L2a1c1, L2

    Ethnic group
    Southern European + West Sub Saharan African
    Country: Brazil



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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    A K9 model including Bell_Beaker_LN (K9 = WHG_Loschbour, CHG, LBK_EN, Bell_Beaker_LN, Salzmuende_MN, Remedello, Yamnaya _Samara, Iberomaurisian, SSA).

    Dodecad K12b coordinates:
    Code:
    SSA:YRI30,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,100.00
    Iberomaurusian:TAF009:Loosdrecht_2018,0,3.54,60.38,2.05,0,0,2.48,18.95,8.83,0,0,3.78
    Iberomaurusian:TAF010:Loosdrecht_2018,0,0.55,63.9,3.27,0,0.17,1.39,18.7,5.98,0,0,6.05
    Iberomaurusian:TAF011:Loosdrecht_2018,0,1.28,64.11,2.45,0,0.07,0.7,18.22,5.74,0.18,0,7.24
    Iberomaurusian:TAF012:Loosdrecht_2018,0,1.79,63.81,0.8,0.44,0,3.27,16.18,5.76,0.59,0,7.35
    Iberomaurusian:TAF013:Loosdrecht_2018,0,1.07,61.84,2.72,0,0.02,1.89,18.58,6.99,0,0,6.89
    Iberomaurusian:TAF014:Loosdrecht_2018,0,0.74,62.76,2.95,0,0,2.12,18.14,5.34,0,0,7.95
    Iberomaurusian:TAF015:Loosdrecht_2018,0,0,62.82,1.87,0,0.9,0,15.76,6.67,3.45,0,8.52
    CHG:KK1_(Kotias):Jones_2015,38.72,0.69,0,0,0,6.95,0.02,0,0,0,51.67,1.95
    CHG:SATP_(Satsurblia):Jones_2015,45.63,0.44,0,0,0,1.74,0.54,0,0,0,49.54,2.11
    WHG_Loschbour,0,0,0,0,30.57,68.87,0,0,0,0.35,0,0.21
    Remedello:RISE486:Allentoft_2015,0,0,0.97,2.12,59.48,10.97,0,0,9.02,0,15.53,1.91
    Remedello:RISE487:Allentoft_2015,0,0,1.36,0,75.55,12.12,0,0,0.84,0,9.88,0.24
    Remedello:RISE489:Allentoft_2015,0,0,0,0,72.08,12.24,0,0,5.69,0,9.99,0
    LBK_EN:I0022_LBK1976:Haak_2015,0,0,0.54,0,49.81,5.69,0,1.53,13.7,0,28.73,0
    LBK_EN:I0025_LBK1992:Haak_2015,0,0,5.76,0.41,53.66,0,0,0,12.97,0.73,25.12,1.36
    LBK_EN:I0026_LBK2155:Haak_2015,0,0,4.6,0,49,0.97,0,0.31,10.77,0.84,33.32,0.2
    LBK_EN:I0046_HAL5:Haak_2015,0,0,3.13,0,56.59,0.57,0,0,13.95,0,25.76,0
    LBK_EN:I0048_HAL25:Haak_2015,0,0,0.16,0,53.59,2.6,0,1.45,9.17,0,33.03,0
    LBK_EN:I0054_UWS4:Haak_2015,0,0,2.87,0,55.51,0.93,0,0.05,7.69,0,32.95,0
    LBK_EN:I0056_HAL14:Haak_2015,0,0,0.59,0,53.9,2.15,0,0,14.39,1.01,27.96,0
    LBK_EN:I0057_HAL34:Haak_2015,0,0,5.5,0,52.81,0,0,0.04,10.5,0,31.16,0
    LBK_EN:I0100_HAL4:Haak_2015,0,0,2.41,0,56.52,0.36,0,0,12.44,0,28.28,0
    LBK_EN:I0659_HAL2:Haak_2015,0,0,2.28,0.39,58.01,0,0,0,9.53,0,29.38,0.4
    LBK_EN:I0795_KAR6:Haak_2015,0,0,2.81,0,45.63,0,0,0,14.89,0,36.3,0.37
    LBK_EN:I0821_HAL24:Haak_2015,0,0,0,0,50.73,0,0,0,10.95,0,38.32,0
    LBK_EN:I0018:Lipson_2017,0,0,4.51,0,54.23,1.93,0,0.2,10.96,0.25,27.69,0.21
    LBK_EN:I0046:Lipson_2017,0,0,4.12,0,53.68,0,0,0,14.14,0,28.04,0.02
    LBK_EN:I0048:Lipson_2017,0,0,0,0,51.25,0,0,0,13.03,0.68,35.04,0
    LBK_EN:I0056:Lipson_2017,0,0,2.32,0,56.3,1.42,0,0,13.47,0,26.48,0
    LBK_EN:I0057:Lipson_2017,0,0,4,0,51.94,0,0,0.08,13.26,0,30.44,0.28
    LBK_EN:I0100:Lipson_2017,0,0,2.75,0,55.38,0.52,0,0,12.86,0,28.05,0.43
    LBK_EN:I0659:Lipson_2017,0,0,1.42,0.34,56.97,0,0,0,12.14,0.03,29.08,0.01
    LBK_EN:I0821:Lipson_2017,0,0,3.4,0,49.68,0,0,0,14.58,0,32.34,0
    LBK_EN:I1550:Lipson_2017,0,0,5.12,0,53.75,0.27,0,0,11.34,0.28,29.2,0.04
    LBK_EN:I2005:Lipson_2017,0,0,0,0,20.46,12.21,0,1.79,28.84,0,36.7,0
    LBK_EN:I2008:Lipson_2017,0,0,2.63,0,56.44,0,0,0,16.79,0,24.14,0
    LBK_EN:I2014:Lipson_2017,0,0,0,0,45.67,1.52,0,0.21,20.23,0,30.6,1.77
    LBK_EN:I2016:Lipson_2017,0,1.18,8.9,0,51.46,0,0,0,8.18,0,30.28,0
    LBK_EN:I2017:Lipson_2017,0,0,0,0,51.23,0,0,0,15.57,0,33.21,0
    LBK_EN:I2020:Lipson_2017,0,0.19,6.24,0,60.21,0,0,0,18.63,0,14.72,0
    LBK_EN:I2021:Lipson_2017,0,0,0,0,34.51,0,0,0.21,15.55,0,47.83,1.89
    LBK_EN:I2022:Lipson_2017,0,0,0,0,44.69,0,0,0,34.92,0,20.39,0
    LBK_EN:I2026:Lipson_2017,0,0,3.21,0,48.46,6.87,0,0,12.59,0,28.87,0
    LBK_EN:I2029:Lipson_2017,0,0,1.65,0,53.28,0.13,0,0,15.2,0,29.75,0
    LBK_EN:I2030:Lipson_2017,0,0,1.28,0,52.34,0,0,0,13.63,0,32.4,0.35
    LBK_EN:I2032:Lipson_2017,0,0,2.43,0,50.18,0.83,0,0,13.75,0,32.81,0
    LBK_EN:I2036:Lipson_2017,0,0,2.92,0,53.24,0,0,0,14.71,0.09,28.92,0.12
    LBK_EN:I2037:Lipson_2017,0,0.67,7.44,0,51.05,0,0,0,13.62,0,27.22,0
    LBK_EN:I2038:Lipson_2017,0,0,6.06,0,46.96,0,0,0,14.56,0,32.31,0.11
    LBK_EN:I0022:Mathieson_2015,0,0,2.11,0,49.7,4.26,1.11,0.37,13.57,0.69,27.59,0.6
    LBK_EN:I0025:Mathieson_2015,0,0,4.98,0.63,50.82,2.05,0,0,13.19,0.05,27.04,1.25
    LBK_EN:I0026:Mathieson_2015,0,0,3.9,0,51.31,0,0,0.33,13.1,0.7,30.34,0.31
    LBK_EN:I0046:Mathieson_2015,0,0,3.48,0,53.6,0.01,0,0,14.35,0,28.49,0.07
    LBK_EN:I0047:Mathieson_2015,10.65,0,0,0,32.78,48.77,0,0.36,0,0,6.59,0.85
    LBK_EN:I0048:Mathieson_2015,0,0,3.78,0,53.81,0,0,0.25,11.31,0,30.85,0
    LBK_EN:I0054:Mathieson_2015,0,0,3.42,0.02,52.41,0.68,0,0.05,11.18,0.08,32.1,0.05
    LBK_EN:I0056:Mathieson_2015,0,0,2.39,0,56.29,1.17,0,0,12.21,0,27.94,0
    LBK_EN:I0057:Mathieson_2015,0,0,5.91,0,52.02,0,0,0,12.38,0,29.69,0
    LBK_EN:I0100:Mathieson_2015,0,0,2.76,0,55.1,0.79,0,0,12.71,0,28.19,0.45
    LBK_EN:I0659:Mathieson_2015,0,0,1.45,0.11,57.06,0,0,0,12.12,0.15,29.07,0.04
    LBK_EN:I0795:Mathieson_2015,0,0,0,0,52.23,3.86,0,0,17.11,0,26.8,0
    LBK_EN:I0797:Mathieson_2015,0,0.45,3.45,0,59.31,0,0,0.53,15.77,0,20.49,0
    LBK_EN:I0821:Mathieson_2015,0,0,0,0,47.31,0,0,0,13.34,0,39.35,0
    LBK_EN:I1550:Mathieson_2015,0,0,5.15,0,54.63,1.49,0,0,11.04,0.24,27.45,0
    Yamnaya_Samara:I0231:Mathieson_2015,29.21,3.13,0,0,3.94,57.21,2.44,0,0,0,3.33,0.75
    Yamnaya_Samara:I0357:Mathieson_2015,30.56,1.4,0,0,7.38,54.65,1.41,0,0,0,4.49,0.12
    Yamnaya_Samara:I0370:Mathieson_2015,30.97,3.96,0,0,4.88,57.16,0.12,0,0,0,1.92,0.99
    Yamnaya_Samara:I0429:Mathieson_2015,28.47,1.92,0,0,3.71,62.57,0.96,0.21,0,0,1.45,0.7
    Yamnaya_Samara:I0438:Mathieson_2015,26.82,1.54,0,0.39,0.6,60.83,1.8,0,0,0,7.77,0.25
    Yamnaya_Samara:I0439:Mathieson_2015,24.1,0.47,0,0.94,8.87,55.96,2.12,0,0,0,7.16,0.37
    Yamnaya_Samara:I0441:Mathieson_2015,33.85,2.03,0,0.21,1.48,59.11,2.63,0,0,0,0,0.69
    Yamnaya_Samara:I0443:Mathieson_2015,29.61,2.46,0,0,3.67,58.66,0.07,0,0,0,4.84,0.69
    Yamnaya_Samara:I0444:Mathieson_2015,29.41,1.68,0,0,6.52,59.52,0.6,0.02,0,0,1.07,1.19
    Salzmuende_MN:I0800:Lipson_2017,0,0,0,0,54.66,15.81,0,0,12.45,0,16.82,0.26
    Salzmuende_MN:I0802:Lipson_2017,0,0,0,5.4,48.03,20.35,0,0,6.14,0,17.83,2.25
    Bell_Beaker_LN:I0060:Mathieson_2015,15.27,0,0,0,31.48,41.81,1.02,0,0,0,9.03,1.4
    Bell_Beaker_LN:I0108:Mathieson_2015,7.49,1.12,1.12,0,43.47,39.38,0.4,0,0.38,0.42,5.38,0.84
    Bell_Beaker_LN:I0111:Mathieson_2015,9.74,0.15,1.55,0.31,38.48,39.9,0.89,0,0,0,8.79,0.19
    Bell_Beaker_LN:I0112:Mathieson_2015,10.88,0.44,0,0,36.22,46.91,0.3,0.55,0,0,3.98,0.72
    Bell_Beaker_LN:I0113:Mathieson_2015,7.82,0.92,0.79,0,40.86,38.66,0,0.29,4,0.52,6.14,0
    Bell_Beaker_LN:I0805:Mathieson_2015,6.24,1.65,0,0,36.22,46,0,0,0,0,9.89,0
    Bell_Beaker_LN:I0806:Mathieson_2015,9.19,1.42,0,0.3,29.39,47.9,0.35,0.41,0,0,11.05,0
    Bell_Beaker_LN:I1546:Mathieson_2015,8.7,0,2.06,0.95,37.83,45.1,0,0,0,0,5.36,0
    Bell_Beaker_LN:I1549:Mathieson_2015,14.03,1.08,0.02,0,33.55,46.77,0.69,1.09,0,0,2.32,0.44
    Target Distance Bell_Beaker_LN CHG Iberomaurusian LBK_EN Remedello Salzmuende_MN SSA WHG_Loschbour Yamnaya_Samara
    Portugal:Portugal1 0.44326458 33.2 0.0 6.2 27.8 18.7 0.0 0.0 6.5 7.6
    Portugal:Portugal2 0.76371544 20.4 0.6 7.4 51.6 1.2 0.0 0.0 9.6 9.2
    Portugal:Portugal3 0.21371081 33.0 0.0 5.3 44.9 0.0 3.3 0.0 8.9 4.6
    Portugal:Portugal6 1.04906563 43.7 0.0 5.4 32.7 9.7 0.0 0.0 3.1 5.4
    Portugal:Portugal7 0.74014835 29.2 0.1 6.1 46.8 9.0 0.0 0.0 2.7 6.1
    Portugal:Portugal9 1.55800420 16.8 0.0 6.7 32.1 21.3 0.0 0.0 12.7 10.4
    Portugal:Portugal10 0.57267973 16.4 0.0 3.3 53.7 0.0 0.0 0.0 15.9 10.7
    Portugal:Portugal11 0.22303534 24.3 0.0 4.9 40.2 6.8 0.0 0.0 11.2 12.6
    Portugal:Portugal12 0.43674102 17.9 0.0 3.8 60.8 0.0 0.0 0.2 12.9 4.4
    Portugal:Portugal13 0.58113643 30.4 0.7 3.8 41.4 11.6 0.0 0.0 1.6 10.5
    Andalucia_1000Genomes 0.68449361 24.3 9.2 4.4 13.7 46.2 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.2
    Aragon_1000Genomes 0.66206795 13.5 0.0 2.0 12.4 56.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 16.1
    Baleares_1000Genomes 0.46185542 32.9 1.1 0.8 35.4 23.0 0.0 0.0 1.4 5.4
    Duarte 0.18360446 19.0 3.5 7.9 25.6 25.9 13.0 3.2 0.0 1.9
    Canarias_1000Genomes 0.89719134 25.3 3.6 14.7 17.6 35.8 0.0 0.0 0.0 3.0
    Cantabria_1000Genomes 0.36878034 33.9 1.6 2.0 11.2 46.8 0.0 0.0 0.0 4.5
    Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes 0.54389783 11.7 0.0 2.3 19.3 49.4 0.0 0.0 0.0 17.3
    Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes 0.86136284 30.5 0.5 4.9 21.4 35.2 0.0 0.0 0.0 7.5
    Cataluna_1000Genomes 0.46078635 29.5 0.3 0.2 16.5 39.4 0.0 0.0 0.0 14.1
    Extremadura_1000Genomes 0.56272656 29.6 2.5 5.8 19.7 32.9 0.0 0.0 0.0 9.5
    Galicia_1000Genomes 0.43811747 37.2 0.0 4.4 24.8 24.2 0.6 0.0 3.7 5.1
    Murcia_1000Genomes 0.85479668 22.0 0.8 4.3 33.0 29.2 0.0 0.0 0.6 10.1
    Valencia_1000Genomes 0.63148175 20.1 2.9 1.5 9.3 54.6 0.0 0.0 0.0 11.6
    French_Provence-Provance2508 0.34556120 22.6 0.8 0.0 51.9 1.0 0.0 0.0 11.3 12.4
    French_Provence-Provance2708 0.38919215 5.4 1.5 0.4 74.6 0.5 0.0 0.0 4.9 12.7
    French_Provence-Provance4109 0.26635494 42.2 0.6 0.0 32.4 7.5 2.0 0.0 5.8 9.5
    French_Provence-Provance4409 0.11868779 34.9 1.1 0.0 37.8 0.1 0.0 0.4 16.5 9.2
    French_Provence-Provance4509 0.46292722 23.3 0.4 0.0 47.5 9.5 0.0 0.0 10.0 9.3
    Corsica:corsica1308 0.35595121 4.9 1.1 0.0 71.2 0.0 0.0 0.0 16.2 6.6
    Corsica:Corsica03708 0.32752607 5.8 1.8 0.8 70.9 0.0 0.0 0.0 12.5 8.2
    Corsica_o:corsica11908 0.36999876 20.5 1.1 0.2 57.7 0.0 0.0 0.0 12.4 8.1
    Corsica_o:Corsica14708 0.32516205 13.1 2.8 0.0 67.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 12.8 4.2
    Corsica:Corsica19508 0.39136382 2.2 0.0 0.3 69.6 0.0 0.0 0.0 16.4 11.5
    Corsica:Corsica24508 0.30514560 16.1 0.9 0.0 60.7 0.0 6.9 0.0 3.8 11.6
    Corsica:corsica29008 0.17923234 3.4 4.0 0.0 78.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 7.5 6.6
    Corsica:Corsica29708 0.37013683 12.4 4.4 0.0 67.6 0.0 0.0 0.0 7.5 8.1
    Corsica_o:CorsicaS00708 0.67508004 25.6 0.0 0.0 49.8 7.0 0.0 0.0 14.0 3.6
    Corsica:CorsicaS03308 0.21257042 12.4 3.5 0.0 63.2 0.0 2.4 0.0 13.6 4.9
    Corsica:CorsicaS04208 0.41711937 15.0 7.6 0.0 58.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 16.6 2.3
    Corsica:CorsicaS10208 0.50311433 12.9 4.1 0.3 65.1 0.0 3.9 0.0 13.7 0.0
    Corsica_o:CorsicaS13308 0.43357321 55.3 6.8 0.3 13.1 8.5 0.0 0.0 16.0 0.0
    Corsica:CorsicaS13808 1.07212617 0.0 3.9 2.0 60.4 0.0 6.2 0.9 26.6 0.0
    Corsica:CorsicaS15608 0.23904749 3.3 0.8 0.4 73.1 0.0 0.0 4.3 15.0 3.1
    Corsica:CorsicaS29908 0.63629300 5.1 10.7 0.4 61.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 22.2 0.5
    Average 0.51338246 21.2 1.9 2.6 43.7 13.9 0.9 0.2 8.3 7.3
    OMG! Thank you so much! I works miles better now with the Gedmatch version

    Target: Dodecad_K12b_ΙωάννηςΓαβριήλEURO_GED
    Distance: 0.6843% / 0.68432081
    40.7 LBK_EN

    19.2 WHG_Loschbour

    18.5 Remedello

    11.0 Bell_Beaker_LN

    6.5 Iberomaurusian

    4.1 CHG

    Admixture Studio version for comparison:
    Target: Dodecad_K12b_ΙωάννηςΓαβριήλEURO
    Distance: 2.4275% / 2.42752023
    35.3 LBK_EN
    28.2 Bell_Beaker_LN
    17.9 Remedello
    7.7 WHG_Loschbour
    6.8 CHG
    4.1 Iberomaurusian

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    … generally, ancient and modern samples of newer studies are not on GedMatch, out of conformity you should use your AdmixtureStudio coordinates, I think :)

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    Hi Salento.

    One would expect that the basic components calculated by the Dodecad K12b algorithm (Gedrosia, Siberian, Northwest_African, Southeast_Asian, Atlantic_Med, North_European, South_Asian, East_African, Southwest_Asian, East_Asian, Caucasus, Sub_Saharan) would not vary much for the same individual kit with the same SNPs on a Dienekes Dodecad K12b calculator made available through any application (GedMatch, DnaGenics, YorDNAportal, etc.).

    In a model created by user, the source and the target data can be defined by him. Nonetheless, the same cannot happens with the algorithm, ie, the algorithm cannot vary, because, if this happens, not being more a Dodecad Dienekes algorithm and it can given any other name. This was the case with the Eurogenes K13, K15, K36 algorithms, developed over data and equations of Dienekes in the Dodecad Project that was altered by Davidski. This was for a long time the thorn in Davidski's side that forced him to develop an own algorithm with his own data (G25).

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    The base of the calculator (Dodecad) was originally 23v2, it was later updated with 23v3, … many of us don’t have that.
    Most 23v5 and LivingDNA SNPs are almost incompatible with the original calculator, AncestryDNA and FTDNA have a much stronger compatibility.

    I guess newer applications take into account the lack of SNPs in some of the newer raw-data versions by amplifying and extending SNPs compatibility with the original, … that’s why we get slightly different results between the various apps.

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    @Pax and @Salento, the North_Italian HGDP samples should be relabeled as part of the Lombardy genetic group, because the samples come from Bergamo. Just my suggestion.

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    Where are the Apulia:cera samples from?

    Distance to: Jovialis
    1.36923336 Abruzzo:15_Behar_2013
    1.66129468 Abruzzo:16_Behar_2013
    1.71953482 Abruzzo:20_Behar_2013
    1.85132385 Molise:PG26_Molise
    1.94663813 Abruzzo:9_Behar_2013
    2.16529444 Abruzzo:Alp140
    2.67432234 Greece_NorthEast:GreeceNE231
    2.71775643 Abruzzo:Alp090
    2.73558038 Abruzzo:Alp616
    2.75210828 Abruzzo:22_Behar_2013
    2.82391572 Abruzzo:23_Behar_2013
    2.89611809 Apulia:cera1
    2.91856129 Apulia:cera2
    3.19426048 Umbria:PG06
    3.32980480 Molise:PG27
    3.34511584 Apulia:cera8
    3.38212951 Lazio:NOR28
    3.39328749 Marche:MarABY030D
    3.41641625 Abruzzo:17_Behar_2013
    3.47597468 Marche:MarACO100D
    3.49479613 Apulia:Pu45
    3.70070264 Abruzzo:Alp503
    3.77326119 Abruzzo:ALP161
    3.78219513 Sicily:TP04_Busby_2015
    3.80215728 Marche:MarACY030D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    @Pax and @Salento, the North_Italian HGDP samples should be relabeled as part of the Lombardy genetic group, because the samples come from Bergamo. Just my suggestion.
    what about the other North italian ones .................I think they are written as....North-Italian
    Fathers mtdna ...... T2b17
    Grandfather paternal mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ...... K1a4p
    Mothers line ..... R1b-S8172
    Grandmother paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ..... R1a-PF6155

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    @Pax and @Salento, the North_Italian HGDP samples should be relabeled as part of the Lombardy genetic group, because the samples come from Bergamo. Just my suggestion.
    Yes, we are aware that it is Bergamo HGDP, and Bergamo HGDP and North Italian HGDP are the same, but it is precisely in academic studies that it is sometimes labelled North Italian HGDP, I believe it was labeled exactly as North Italian HGDP in the academic repository from where it was downloaded. In some amateur tools, and maybe even in some old academic study (but I'm not sure, I'm going from memory) it's sometimes labeled as simply "Italian".

    However, yes, we will relabel it as Bergamo HGDP in the next round.








    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Where are the Apulia:cera samples from?

    Distance to: Jovialis
    1.36923336 Abruzzo:15_Behar_2013
    1.66129468 Abruzzo:16_Behar_2013
    1.71953482 Abruzzo:20_Behar_2013
    1.85132385 Molise:PG26_Molise
    1.94663813 Abruzzo:9_Behar_2013
    2.16529444 Abruzzo:Alp140
    2.67432234 Greece_NorthEast:GreeceNE231
    2.71775643 Abruzzo:Alp090
    2.73558038 Abruzzo:Alp616
    2.75210828 Abruzzo:22_Behar_2013
    2.82391572 Abruzzo:23_Behar_2013
    2.89611809 Apulia:cera1
    2.91856129 Apulia:cera2
    3.19426048 Umbria:PG06
    3.32980480 Molise:PG27
    3.34511584 Apulia:cera8
    3.38212951 Lazio:NOR28
    3.39328749 Marche:MarABY030D
    3.41641625 Abruzzo:17_Behar_2013
    3.47597468 Marche:MarACO100D
    3.49479613 Apulia:Pu45
    3.70070264 Abruzzo:Alp503
    3.77326119 Abruzzo:ALP161
    3.78219513 Sicily:TP04_Busby_2015
    3.80215728 Marche:MarACY030D

    The Apulian samples come from Raveane 2019. Unfortunately, apart from the region of origin, it is not possible to identify the exact place of origin within the region of many samples used by Raveane.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Where are the Apulia:cera samples from?

    Distance to: Jovialis
    1.36923336 Abruzzo:15_Behar_2013
    1.66129468 Abruzzo:16_Behar_2013
    1.71953482 Abruzzo:20_Behar_2013
    1.85132385 Molise:PG26_Molise
    1.94663813 Abruzzo:9_Behar_2013
    2.16529444 Abruzzo:Alp140
    2.67432234 Greece_NorthEast:GreeceNE231
    2.71775643 Abruzzo:Alp090
    2.73558038 Abruzzo:Alp616
    2.75210828 Abruzzo:22_Behar_2013
    2.82391572 Abruzzo:23_Behar_2013
    2.89611809 Apulia:cera1
    2.91856129 Apulia:cera2
    3.19426048 Umbria:PG06
    3.32980480 Molise:PG27
    3.34511584 Apulia:cera8
    3.38212951 Lazio:NOR28
    3.39328749 Marche:MarABY030D
    3.41641625 Abruzzo:17_Behar_2013
    3.47597468 Marche:MarACO100D
    3.49479613 Apulia:Pu45
    3.70070264 Abruzzo:Alp503
    3.77326119 Abruzzo:ALP161
    3.78219513 Sicily:TP04_Busby_2015
    3.80215728 Marche:MarACY030D
    It doesn't specify it, ... guessing: Cera... could be Cerignola, or maybe Lucera, ... both towns are in the province of Foggia.

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    That makes sense, I guess it might be somewhere around Foggia.

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    Tiesler et al. Antiquity 2022 - Mexico Colonial /\ Kennett et al. Nature 2022 - Belize Mayan

    Code:
    Mexico_Colonial_oEuropean_I8558,6.64,0.03,7.31,0,39.02,24.64,0,0,4.80,1.08,14.75,1.7
    Mexico_Colonial_oAfrica_I10860,0,0,0,0,0,0.77,0,13.64,0,1.50,0,84.09
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    Mexico_Colonial_I10861,9.04,33.80,0,9.01,0,13.12,5.53,0,0,28.66,0,0.83
    Mexico_Colonial_I10862,8.43,33.26,0,4.05,0,15.65,4.02,0,0,34.55,0,0.04
    Mexico_Colonial_I10863,7.42,33.89,0,6.59,0,14.78,4.67,0,0,32.29,0,0.35
    Mexico_Colonial_I8555,8.69,33.50,0,6.08,0,14.95,4.69,0,0,31.47,0,0.61
    Mexico_Colonial_I8556,4.93,37.15,0,3.15,0,18.24,0,0,0,35.79,0,0.74
    Mexico_Colonial_I8557,8.05,34.07,0,5.09,0,15.15,4.30,0.38,0,32.65,0,0.31
    Mexico_Colonial_I8559,9.05,32.76,0,5.77,0,14.90,4.54,0,0,32.64,0,0.34
    Belize_Mayan_I7544,8.16,34.85,0,4.10,0,16.75,4.22,0,0,31.00,0,0.93
    Belize_Mayan_I8041,14.06,33.23,0,5.83,0,10.67,7.81,0,0,27.41,0,0.99
    Belize_Mayan_I13268,5.98,36.92,0,4.03,0,13.46,8.19,1.49,0,29.94,0,0
    Belize_Mayan_I19167,8.70,45.56,0,2.26,0,19.85,1.97,0,0,19.85,0,1.81
    Belize_Mayan_I19169,2.49,29.37,0,6.62,0,21.04,9.21,0,0,30.37,0,0.90
    Belize_Mayan_I19170,0.98,39.56,0,0.76,0,24.03,5.20,0,0,28.44,0,1.03
    Belize_Mayan_I19942,4.12,33.76,0,2.84,0,14.98,6.38,0,0,35.64,0,2.28
    Belize_Mayan_I19950,5.44,36.89,0,5.73,0,17.19,4.45,0.31,0,29.92,0,0.07
    Belize_Mayan_I24540,8.56,34.54,0,3.16,0,13.44,7.11,0,0,33.19,0,0
    Belize_Mayan_I24542_d,7.10,36.80,0,0,0,18.46,7.79,0,0,29.84,0,0
    https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/...Campeche_0.pdf

    https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/...ntBelize_1.pdf
    Last edited by Salento; 27-08-22 at 06:40.

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    YuKrauseIScience2022 - Genomic and dietary discontinuities during the Mesolithic and Neolithic in Sicily

    Code:
    Italy_Sicily_EarlyMesolithic:UZZ026,0,0,0,0.79,38.18,56.66,3.22,0,0,0,0,1.15
    Italy_Sicily_N_Stentinello:UZZ033,0,0,1.55,0,55.13,0.37,0,0.98,14.98,0,26.38,0.60
    Italy_Sicily_N_Stentinello:UZZ034,0,1.53,3.59,0,51.80,7.39,0,0.22,10.42,0,23.62,1.43
    Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic_Castelnovian:UZZ040,0,0,0,0.03,29.77,64.86,0,0,0,1.17,0,4.16
    Italy_Sicily_EBA:UZZ057,5.31,0.58,1.78,0,51.45,8.74,0,0.50,6.52,0.91,24.21,0
    Italy_Sicily_MN:UZZ061,0,0,5.27,0,53.93,0.92,0,0,12.37,1.02,25.89,0.60
    Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic_Castelnovian:UZZ069,0,0.28,0,2.15,21.89,73.65,0,0,0,0,0,2.03
    Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic:UZZ071,0,0,0,1.05,29.95,67.28,0,0,0,0,0,1.72
    Italy_Sicily_N_Stentinello:UZZ074,0,0,6.43,0,52.60,0,0,0.82,12.30,1.40,24.09,2.35
    Italy_Sicily_N_Stentinello:UZZ075,0,0,4.53,0.65,52.15,0,0.14,0.16,12.62,0,28.65,1.09
    Italy_Sicily_EN:UZZ077,0,0,5.10,0.69,53.65,2.85,0,0.42,13.91,2.59,19.42,1.37
    Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic_Castelnovian:UZZ079,0,0,0,0,29.69,67.51,0,0.47,0,0.29,0,2.04
    Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic_Castelnovian:UZZ080,0,0,0,0.28,27.81,70.76,0,0,0,0,0,1.16
    Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic_Castelnovian:UZZ081,0,0,0,0.98,28.82,68.53,0,0,0,0,0,1.67
    Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic_Castelnovian:UZZ082,0,0,0,2.23,28.25,69.19,0,0.09,0,0,0,0.24
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    Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic:UZZ5054,0,0,0,0.32,34.29,63.05,0,0,0,0,0,2.34
    https://www.cell.com/iscience/pdf/S2...22)00514-4.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    YuKrauseIScience2022 - Genomic and dietary discontinuities during the Mesolithic and Neolithic in Sicily

    Code:
    Italy_Sicily_EarlyMesolithic:UZZ026,0,0,0,0.79,38.18,56.66,3.22,0,0,0,0,1.15
    Italy_Sicily_N_Stentinello:UZZ033,0,0,1.55,0,55.13,0.37,0,0.98,14.98,0,26.38,0.60
    Italy_Sicily_N_Stentinello:UZZ034,0,1.53,3.59,0,51.80,7.39,0,0.22,10.42,0,23.62,1.43
    Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic_Castelnovian:UZZ040,0,0,0,0.03,29.77,64.86,0,0,0,1.17,0,4.16
    Italy_Sicily_EBA:UZZ057,5.31,0.58,1.78,0,51.45,8.74,0,0.50,6.52,0.91,24.21,0
    Italy_Sicily_MN:UZZ061,0,0,5.27,0,53.93,0.92,0,0,12.37,1.02,25.89,0.60
    Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic_Castelnovian:UZZ069,0,0.28,0,2.15,21.89,73.65,0,0,0,0,0,2.03
    Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic:UZZ071,0,0,0,1.05,29.95,67.28,0,0,0,0,0,1.72
    Italy_Sicily_N_Stentinello:UZZ074,0,0,6.43,0,52.60,0,0,0.82,12.30,1.40,24.09,2.35
    Italy_Sicily_N_Stentinello:UZZ075,0,0,4.53,0.65,52.15,0,0.14,0.16,12.62,0,28.65,1.09
    Italy_Sicily_EN:UZZ077,0,0,5.10,0.69,53.65,2.85,0,0.42,13.91,2.59,19.42,1.37
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    Italy_Sicily_EarlyMesolithic:UZZ096,0,0,0,0,31.92,63.48,0,0,0,2.02,0,2.58
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    https://www.cell.com/iscience/pdf/S2...22)00514-4.pdf
    Salento: Great work!. You were able to get all those samples analyzed. Molte Grazie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    Salento: Great work!. You were able to get all those samples analyzed. Molte Grazie
    ... you're welcome PT :)

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    Salento: Good work. The Early Mesolithic Sicilian HG were described as a clade with the Continenza HG from Lazio coming from Villabruna, the later ones having from inflow from Iron_Gates along with the earlier Sicilian EM HG being like 80% of the ancestry. I included the older HG from Puglia just for the heck of it. Again, good work. Your K12 coordinates are very consistent with the results reported in Yu et al 2022

    Distance to: Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic:UZZ5054
    2.19849949 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R7_Mesolithic_Grot ta_Continenza
    2.19849949 R7_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    2.43536445 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R11_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    2.43536445 R11_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    3.63452886 Catalano_etal_2020:I2158_WHG_Favignana_Sicily
    4.41165502 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R15_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    4.54449117 Fu_etal_2016:Villabruna_WHG_Veneto
    37.65824213 Fu_etal_2016:Ostuni-2:_Pre_IceAge_Apulia
    38.64009317 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-133_UpperPaleolithic_Apulia
    58.01606502 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-108_Pre_IceAge_Apulia

    Distance to: Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic_Castelnovian:UZZ4446
    2.49102389 Fu_etal_2016:Villabruna_WHG_Veneto
    3.98919791 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R15_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    4.55438250 Catalano_etal_2020:I2158_WHG_Favignana_Sicily
    5.82103084 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R11_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    5.82103084 R11_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    7.16692403 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R7_Mesolithic_Grot ta_Continenza
    7.16692403 R7_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    39.70708249 Fu_etal_2016:Ostuni-2:_Pre_IceAge_Apulia
    41.98064078 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-133_UpperPaleolithic_Apulia
    61.14273628 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-108_Pre_IceAge_Apulia

    Distance to: Italy_Sicily_EarlyMesolithic:UZZ096
    2.72455501 Fu_etal_2016:Villabruna_WHG_Veneto
    4.07806327 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R11_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    4.07806327 R11_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    4.17423047 Catalano_etal_2020:I2158_WHG_Favignana_Sicily
    4.41822362 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R15_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    4.52192437 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R7_Mesolithic_Grot ta_Continenza
    4.52192437 R7_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    37.35527807 Fu_etal_2016:Ostuni-2:_Pre_IceAge_Apulia
    38.69895347 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-133_UpperPaleolithic_Apulia
    57.24818949 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-108_Pre_IceAge_Apulia

    Distance to: Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic:UZZ088
    2.99744892 Fu_etal_2016:Villabruna_WHG_Veneto
    3.71887080 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R15_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    4.34965516 Catalano_etal_2020:I2158_WHG_Favignana_Sicily
    5.72526855 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R11_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    5.72526855 R11_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    7.13478101 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R7_Mesolithic_Grot ta_Continenza
    7.13478101 R7_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    40.22627375 Fu_etal_2016:Ostuni-2:_Pre_IceAge_Apulia
    42.45833134 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-133_UpperPaleolithic_Apulia
    61.53420756 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-108_Pre_IceAge_Apulia

    Distance to: Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic_Castelnovian:UZZ082
    5.42072873 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R15_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    6.08138142 Fu_etal_2016:Villabruna_WHG_Veneto
    6.57400943 Catalano_etal_2020:I2158_WHG_Favignana_Sicily
    7.94552704 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R11_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    7.94552704 R11_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    9.62554933 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R7_Mesolithic_Grot ta_Continenza
    9.62554933 R7_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    41.13680834 Fu_etal_2016:Ostuni-2:_Pre_IceAge_Apulia
    44.30364545 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-133_UpperPaleolithic_Apulia
    62.86194238 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-108_Pre_IceAge_Apulia

    Distance to: Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic_Castelnovian:UZZ081
    4.40045452 Fu_etal_2016:Villabruna_WHG_Veneto
    4.67199101 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R15_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    5.62743281 Catalano_etal_2020:I2158_WHG_Favignana_Sicily
    7.04765209 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R11_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    7.04765209 R11_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    8.61546284 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R7_Mesolithic_Grot ta_Continenza
    8.61546284 R7_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    40.67575937 Fu_etal_2016:Ostuni-2:_Pre_IceAge_Apulia
    43.42445164 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-133_UpperPaleolithic_Apulia
    62.29531764 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-108_Pre_IceAge_Apulia

    Distance to: Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic_Castelnovian:UZZ080
    6.63288776 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R15_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    6.80081613 Fu_etal_2016:Villabruna_WHG_Veneto
    7.54901980 Catalano_etal_2020:I2158_WHG_Favignana_Sicily
    9.16195940 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R11_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    9.16195940 R11_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    10.72836893 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R7_Mesolithic_Grot ta_Continenza
    10.72836893 R7_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    42.58340639 Fu_etal_2016:Ostuni-2:_Pre_IceAge_Apulia
    45.54807899 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-133_UpperPaleolithic_Apulia
    64.19589784 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-108_Pre_IceAge_Apulia

    Distance to: Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic_Castelnovian:UZZ079
    3.11011254 Fu_etal_2016:Villabruna_WHG_Veneto
    3.82566334 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R15_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    4.52592532 Catalano_etal_2020:I2158_WHG_Favignana_Sicily
    5.92067564 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R11_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    5.92067564 R11_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    7.34009537 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R7_Mesolithic_Grot ta_Continenza
    7.34009537 R7_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    40.10724373 Fu_etal_2016:Ostuni-2:_Pre_IceAge_Apulia
    42.40903677 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-133_UpperPaleolithic_Apulia
    61.28552194 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-108_Pre_IceAge_Apulia

    Distance to: Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic:UZZ071
    3.10422293 Fu_etal_2016:Villabruna_WHG_Veneto
    3.30349815 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R15_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    4.20021428 Catalano_etal_2020:I2158_WHG_Favignana_Sicily
    5.46777834 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R11_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    5.46777834 R11_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    7.01344423 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R7_Mesolithic_Grot ta_Continenza
    7.01344423 R7_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    39.82455273 Fu_etal_2016:Ostuni-2:_Pre_IceAge_Apulia
    42.27372233 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-133_UpperPaleolithic_Apulia
    61.25460146 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-108_Pre_IceAge_Apulia

    Distance to: Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic_Castelnovian:UZZ069
    12.39210232 Fu_etal_2016:Villabruna_WHG_Veneto
    13.17706720 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R15_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    14.20504136 Catalano_etal_2020:I2158_WHG_Favignana_Sicily
    15.70307613 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R11_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    15.70307613 R11_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    17.30336383 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R7_Mesolithic_Grot ta_Continenza
    17.30336383 R7_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    44.28988146 Fu_etal_2016:Ostuni-2:_Pre_IceAge_Apulia
    48.76401132 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-133_UpperPaleolithic_Apulia
    67.02265587 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-108_Pre_IceAge_Apulia

    Distance to: Italy_Sicily_LateMesolithic_Castelnovian:UZZ040
    1.10240646 Fu_etal_2016:Villabruna_WHG_Veneto
    5.35805935 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R15_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    5.57217193 Catalano_etal_2020:I2158_WHG_Favignana_Sicily
    6.14910563 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R11_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    6.14910563 R11_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    7.01682977 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R7_Mesolithic_Grot ta_Continenza
    7.01682977 R7_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    37.80498248 Fu_etal_2016:Ostuni-2:_Pre_IceAge_Apulia
    39.74593187 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-133_UpperPaleolithic_Apulia
    58.77949387 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-108_Pre_IceAge_Apulia

    Distance to: Italy_Sicily_EarlyMesolithic:UZZ026
    7.96959221 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R7_Mesolithic_Grot ta_Continenza
    7.96959221 R7_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    9.29486955 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R11_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    9.29486955 R11_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    10.89170326 Catalano_etal_2020:I2158_WHG_Favignana_Sicily
    11.52008246 Antonio_etal_2019:Mesolithic_C1:R15_Mesolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    12.09220410 Fu_etal_2016:Villabruna_WHG_Veneto
    32.87099938 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-133_UpperPaleolithic_Apulia
    33.73258958 Fu_etal_2016:Ostuni-2:_Pre_IceAge_Apulia
    53.52102577 Fu_etal_2016:Paglicci-108_Pre_IceAge_Apulia

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    Neolithic Sicilians from Trapani and Top 5 using other Neolithic Samples from Central Italy (Antonio et al 2019), Sardinia (Fernandes et al 2020), Sicily (Fernandes et al 2020) and Otizi (Sikora et al 2014).

    Distance to: Italy_Sicily_N_Stentinello:UZZ087
    6.56296427 Fernandes_etal_2020:I4063_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partan na
    7.15355157 Fernandes_etal_2020:I4064_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partan na
    7.45367024 Fernandes_etal_2020:I4062_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partan na
    7.61270648 Antonio_etal_2019:Neolithic_C2:R16_Neolithic_Ripab ianca_di_Monterado
    8.03744362 Otzi_Sikora_etal_2014_Neolithic_Italian[UT4561244]

    Distance to: Italy_Sicily_EN:UZZ077
    6.78949925 Otzi_Sikora_etal_2014_Neolithic_Italian[UT4561244]
    7.22771748 Fernandes_etal_2020:I4063_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partan na
    7.96073489 Fernandes_etal_2020:I4064_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partan na
    8.84568822 Antonio_etal_2019:Neolithic_C2:R4_Chalcolithic_Gro tta_Continenza
    9.28872435 Fernandes_etal_2020:I4065_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partan na

    Distance to: Italy_Sicily_N_Stentinello:UZZ075
    2.46521804 Antonio_etal_2019:Neolithic_C2:R10_Neolithic_Grott a_Continenza
    2.95010169 Antonio_etal_2019:Neolithic_C2:R8_Neolithic_Grotta _Continenza
    3.11499599 Antonio_etal_2019:Neolithic_C2:R2_Neolithic_Grotta _Continenza
    3.30703795 Fernandes_etal_2020:I4062_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partan na
    3.53949149 Antonio_etal_2019:Neolithic_C2:R19_Neolithic_Ripab ianca_di_Monterado

    Distance to: taly_Sicily_N_Stentinello:UZZ074
    5.78821216 Fernandes_etal_2020:I4064_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partan na
    6.42502140 Fernandes_etal_2020:I4062_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partan na
    6.83925435 Antonio_etal_2019:Neolithic_C2:R2_Neolithic_Grotta _Continenza
    6.86493263 Antonio_etal_2019:Neolithic_C2:R10_Neolithic_Grott a_Continenza
    6.93916421 Antonio_etal_2019:Neolithic_C2:R17_Neolithic_Ripab ianca_di_Monterado

    Distance to: Italy_Sicily_MN:UZZ061
    3.07497967 Fernandes_etal_2020:I4064_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partan na
    3.50453991 Fernandes_etal_2020:I4062_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partan na
    4.11075419 Antonio_etal_2019:Neolithic_C2:R2_Neolithic_Grotta _Continenza
    4.38777848 Antonio_etal_2019:Neolithic_C2:R10_Neolithic_Grott a_Continenza
    5.03677476 Antonio_etal_2019:Neolithic_C2:R17_Neolithic_Ripab ianca_di_Monterado

    Distance to: Italy_Sicily_N_Stentinello:UZZ034
    2.98445975 Fernandes_etal_2020:I4065_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partan na
    7.49509840 Antonio_etal_2019:Neolithic_C2:R17_Neolithic_Ripab ianca_di_Monterado
    7.72077069 Fernandes_etal_2020:I4063_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partan na
    7.85026114 Fernandes_etal_2020:I4062_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partan na
    8.02717260 Otzi_Sikora_etal_2014_Neolithic_Italian[UT4561244]

    Distance to: Italy_Sicily_N_Stentinello:UZZ033
    2.94329747 Fernandes_etal_2020:I4064_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partan na
    4.30928068 Fernandes_etal_2020:I4062_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partan na
    4.31262101 Antonio_etal_2019:Neolithic_C2:R10_Neolithic_Grott a_Continenza
    4.50487514 Antonio_etal_2019:Neolithic_C2:R8_Neolithic_Grotta _Continenza
    5.09321117 Antonio_etal_2019:Neolithic_C2:R2_Neolithic_Grotta _Continenza

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    Bronze Age Sicilian from Trapani (UZZ057) closest distances to all Bronze Age Samples published in Sicily, Sardinia and mainland Italy.

    Distance to: Italy_Sicily_EBA:UZZ057
    6.96321765 Fernandes_etal_2020:I4065_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partan na
    8.06142047 Fernades_etal_2020:I3123_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II
    8.59710998 Fernandes_etal_2020:I11442_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_I I
    9.02985603 Fernandes_etal_2020:I3124_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II
    9.46215620 Fernandes_etal_2020:I10372_Sicily_LBA_Marcita
    9.91270901 Fernandes_etal_2020:I10365_Sardinia_BA_Seulo
    10.07730619 Fernandes_etal_2020:I3878_Sicily_LBA_Marcita
    10.52680863 Fernandes_etal_2020:I3122_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II
    10.58492796 Fernandes_etal_2020:I10373_Sicily_LBA_Marcita
    11.43017498 Fernandes_etal_2020:I4063_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partan na


    Regarding the UZZ57 sample, Yu et al 2022 write:

    "This individualUZZ57 carried the Y-haplogroup R1b1a1b1a1a2, commonly found in Bronze Age Europe, and also previously reported in Sicilian Bronze Age individuals (Data S1.4, Data S5.2) (Fernandes et al., 2020)."

    Jovialis's K8 Dodecad 12 model gives good fit and picks up Steppe ancestry in UZZ057.

    Target: Italy_Sicily_EBA:UZZ057
    Distance: 1.1992% / 1.19919428
    55.6 C_Italian_ChL
    14.6 Minoan
    11.4 Remedello
    11.2 Yamnaya
    5.7 Anatolian_BA
    1.2 Bolshoy_Ostrov
    0.3 Iberomaurusian

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    6 members found this post helpful.
    ... from Southern Arc dataset - Dodecad K12b coordinates - link to .zip text file

    https://www.mediafire.com/file/d4c9r...-K12b.zip/file


    Lazaridis et al. Science 2022 - The genetic history of the Southern Arc: A bridge between West Asia and Europe

    https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/...ronzeAge_1.pdf




    … the last one, I14622 is y T1a2b1

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    Salento: Wow, well done again !!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... from Southern Arc dataset - Dodecad K12b coordinates - link to .zip text file

    https://www.mediafire.com/file/d4c9r...-K12b.zip/file
    Great work as usual, Salento.

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    What does MNE stand for?

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    From Salento coordinates #121


    Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    2.56031248 HRV_Cetina_BA:I11843
    3.34000000 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15743
    4.02110681 MKD_Anc:I8112
    4.33227423 MNE_LBA:I14498
    4.35306788 MKD_Anc:I10384
    4.57029540 MKD_Anc:I10388
    4.71114636 ALB_PostMdv:I14685
    4.77368830 HRV_BA:I18712
    5.12581701 ALB_MBA:I8471
    5.56208594 MNE_LBA:I13172
    5.74059230 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16251
    5.93463562 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I14692
    5.98272513 SRB_IA:I16814
    5.99010851 HRV_BA:I18748
    6.10929620 MKD_BA:I7231
    6.24204293 MKD_Anc:I10391
    6.31979430 ALB_PostMdv:I14687
    6.39726504 HRV_Cetina_BA:I19032
    6.40678547 MKD_Anc:I10377
    6.58510440 HRV_BA:I5074
    6.64754090 ALB_Mdv:I13834
    6.78388532 HRV_Cetina_BA:I18747
    6.79011782 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16254
    6.89478789 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18074
    6.92744542 MKD_Anc:I10383


    Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    Distance: 0.6268% / 0.62675014 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    37.4 HRV_Trogir_Byz
    25.6 ALB_PostMdv
    16.7 BGR_Smyadovo_EBA
    16.4 MKD_Anc
    3.9 HRV_Cetina_BA


    Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    Distance: 0.4606% / 0.46061882 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    32.7 MKD_Anc
    23.7 HRV_Trogir_Byz
    21.1 HRV_Cetina_BA
    13.7 ALB_PostMdv
    4.6 ROU_Arman_BA
    4.2 BGR_Smyadovo_EBA_1d.rel.I2176


    Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    0.76472227 78.80% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18725 + 21.20% TUR_SE_Kilis_EBA_A:I14798
    0.78368658 84.80% SRB_BA:I17913 + 15.20% TUR_Hellenistic_lc:I3300
    0.78694182 77.80% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18725 + 22.20% TUR_SE_Kilis_EBA_A:I14794
    0.84086029 79.40% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18725 + 20.60% TUR_SE_Kilis_MBA_father.I14784.father.I14789:I1478 2
    0.85877163 64.20% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18725 + 35.80% TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Stratonikeia_Byz:I20187
    1.04393432 79.60% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18725 + 20.40% TUR_SE_Kilis_EBA_A:I14797
    1.07136235 75.40% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18724 + 24.60% TUR_SE_Kilis_MBA:I14762
    1.07331634 72.20% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18724 + 27.80% TUR_Marmara_İznik_Y.kapı_Byz:I14839
    1.07879692 25.80% BGR_Ryahovets_Mdv:I10548 + 74.20% MKD_Anc:I10388
    1.08128494 84.00% SRB_BA:I17913 + 16.00% TUR_SE_Kilis_EBA_A:I14792
    1.09788361 81.20% MNE_LBA:I14501 + 18.80% TUR_Hellenistic_lc:I3300
    1.10415037 68.80% BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20184 + 31.20% ROU_Trestiana_BA:I6186
    1.10517360 78.00% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18725 + 22.00% TUR_SE_Kilis_MBA:I14759
    1.11095809 71.20% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18724 + 28.80% TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Samantaş_Byz:I20261
    1.11668660 76.00% SRB_BA:I17913 + 24.00% TUR_Aegean_Bodrum_Halikarnassos_Anc1:I3311
    1.12572878 90.40% HRV_BA:I18712 + 9.60% TUR_Hellenistic_lc:I3300
    1.13427807 69.00% BGR_ChL_outlier:I2181 + 31.00% TUR_SE_Şırnak_ChL_B:I4622
    1.14074306 71.60% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18725 + 28.40% TUR_Marmara_İznik_Y.kapı_Byz:I14833
    1.15114155 69.00% BGR_ChL_outlier:I2181 + 31.00% TUR_SE_Kilis_EBA_A:I14792
    1.15405772 77.80% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18725 + 22.20% TUR_SE_Kilis_MBA:I14786
    1.16742766 70.40% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18725 + 29.60% TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Samantaş_Byz:I20259
    1.17177468 80.40% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18725 + 19.60% TUR_SE_Kilis_MBA_sister.I14784.daughter.I14782:I14 789
    1.17294402 78.60% HRV_IA:I5723 + 21.40% TUR_SE_Şırnak_BA:I4614
    1.17394067 69.20% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18072 + 30.80% TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Stratonikeia_Byz:I20574
    1.17626329 36.20% BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_N:I17981 + 63.80% BGR_Ryahovets_Mdv:I10548

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