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    Nice Salento

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 0.9639% / 0.96385487 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    53.7 MNE_LBA_outlier
    26.5 MKD_IA_lc
    7.8 HRV_IA
    6.9 HRV_Cetina_BA_dup.or.1d.rel.I19017
    5.1 HRV_Cetina_BA


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 0.9861% / 0.98605758 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    51.3 MNE_LBA_outlier
    28.0 MKD_IA_lc
    13.8 HRV_IA
    4.0 HRV_Cetina_BA
    2.9 HRV_Cetina_BA_outlier


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 0.3552% / 0.35518434
    47.0 MNE_LBA_outlier
    13.7 MKD_IA_lc
    9.5 TUR_BA_lc
    8.6 HRV_MLBA_lc
    7.9 GRC_BA_Mycenaean_lc
    7.8 MNE_Vrbička_Mes
    3.9 GRC_Kastrouli_Anc
    0.8 ALB_BIA_lc
    0.8 ROU_Arman_BA

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.0955% / 2.09549843 | R2P
    69.1 MNE_LBA_outlier
    30.9 MKD_IA_lc

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.0955% / 2.09549843 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
    69.1 MNE_LBA_outlier:I13166
    30.9 MKD_IA_lc:I10380



    Distance to: Duarte
    2.09555925 30.80% MKD_IA_lc:I10380 + 69.20% MNE_LBA_outlier:I13166
    3.52114013 59.20% HRV_Cetina_BA:I18746 + 40.80% MKD_IA_lc:I10380
    3.78327522 65.20% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18738 + 34.80% MKD_IA_lc:I10380
    3.81865566 58.40% HRV_Cetina_BA:I18752 + 41.60% MKD_IA_lc:I10380
    3.93781315 62.00% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18737 + 38.00% MKD_IA_lc:I10380
    3.95605641 62.00% HRV_Cetina_BA:I19017 + 38.00% MKD_IA_lc:I10380
    3.97621683 60.60% HRV_Cetina_BA:I19027 + 39.40% MKD_IA_lc:I10380
    3.98601404 57.20% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18071 + 42.80% MKD_IA_lc:I10380
    4.05558908 46.60% BGR_Tell_Ezero_EBA:I19458 + 53.40% MKD_IA_lc:I10380
    4.05755322 52.40% BGR_Nova_Zagora_EBA:I19462 + 47.60% MKD_IA_lc:I10380
    4.13086996 44.20% MKD_IA_lc:I10380 + 55.80% MNE_LBA:I13778
    4.22830209 56.00% HRV_Cetina_BA:I19019 + 44.00% MKD_IA_lc:I10380
    4.26130590 60.00% HRV_Cetina_BA:I18745 + 40.00% MKD_IA_lc:I10380
    4.28793211 64.20% HRV_Anc:I18831 + 35.80% MKD_IA_lc:I10380
    4.30796408 68.60% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18082 + 31.40% MKD_IA_lc:I10380
    4.36472533 60.60% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18729 + 39.40% MKD_IA_lc:I10380
    4.40749896 39.00% MKD_IA_lc:I10380 + 61.00% SRB_BA:I17913
    4.48467214 37.80% MKD_IA_lc:I10380 + 62.20% MNE_LBA:I14501
    4.51894029 65.40% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18417 + 34.60% MKD_IA_lc:I10380
    4.52719869 63.20% HRV_Anc_brother.I18831:I18830 + 36.80% MKD_IA_lc:I10380
    4.53440617 62.00% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18077 + 38.00% MKD_IA_lc:I10380
    4.54645453 47.20% MKD_IA_lc:I10380 + 52.80% MNE_LBA_mother.or.sister.I13169.I13777:I13776
    4.61152063 57.00% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18730 + 43.00% MKD_IA_lc:I10380
    4.67659886 60.40% HRV_IA:I5729 + 39.60% MKD_IA_lc:I10380
    4.71174858 39.60% MKD_IA_lc:I10380 + 60.40% MNE_LBA:I13168



    Distance to: Duarte
    8.54598151 HRV_Cetina_BA_outlier:I19031
    9.04119461 HRV_IA:I5726
    9.57831405 MNE_LBA_outlier:I13166
    9.89842917 HRV_IA:I5728
    10.00386425 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18414_d
    10.21039177 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18720
    10.38511435 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18082
    10.47159014 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18079
    10.48439793 HRV_Cetina_BA_dup.or.1d.rel.I19017:I19020
    10.72361879 HRV_IA:I5725
    11.05081445 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18078
    11.24132999 ALB_Çinamak_Anc_1d.rel.I16256:I17633
    11.36069540 ROU_Târgşoru_Vechi_BA:I7152
    11.44967685 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18413
    11.48101476 HRV_IA:I5724
    11.70263218 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18738
    11.75977891 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18417
    11.81354308 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16256
    11.90237371 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18075
    11.96778593 BGR_MalakPreslavets_N:I2215
    12.14156086 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18416
    12.21915709 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18733
    12.22653262 HRV_Anc:I18831
    12.31339515 HRV_BA:I5073
    12.32497870 MNE_LBA_1d.rel_I14500:I14497





    Last edited by Duarte; 28-08-22 at 22:22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vallicanus View Post
    What does MNE stand for?
    MNE: Montenegro

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    Distance to: Ajeje_Brazorf
    6.85359030 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Stratonikeia_Byz:I20187
    8.25167256 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15462
    8.51075790 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15744
    8.96951504 TUR_Marmara_İznik_Y.kapı_Byz:I14843
    10.16800374 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Samantaş_Byz:I20265
    10.24324167 TUR_Aegean_Bodrum_Halikarnassos_Anc1:I3311
    10.35029468 TUR_Marmara_Balıkesir_Byz:I14831
    10.43748533 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13517_d
    10.58873458 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15463
    10.69378792 TUR_Marmara_İznik_Y.kapı_Byz:I14840
    10.78701998 ALB_Mdv:I13839
    10.83648467 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15741
    10.93858309 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13518
    10.98603204 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Samantaş_Byz_brother.I20265:I20 264

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    My Top 25 from the Southern Arc paper new samples only, (Lazaridis et al 2022). Thanks again to Salento for the coordinates.

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani_ANCESTRY
    5.62379765 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15744
    6.18950725 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15462
    6.75112583 ALB_Mdv:I13839
    7.47745946 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15463
    7.64079184 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15741
    8.27414044 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Stratonikeia_Byz:I20187
    8.60970964 ALB_PostMdv:I14686
    8.63246199 TUR_Marmara_İznik_Y.kapı_Byz:I14840
    8.97924830 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20183
    9.26818753 ALB_PostMdv:I14687
    9.48331693 ALB_Mdv:I14622
    9.57264854 MKD_Anc:I7233
    9.62292055 TUR_Marmara_Balıkesir_Byz:I14822
    9.65206196 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577
    9.69314706 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13428
    9.69330181 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13518
    9.92245937 BGR_Anc:I19500
    9.97203590 TUR_Marmara_Balıkesir_Byz:I14831
    10.11617022 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA_father.or.son.I1 3518:I13506_d
    10.25205833 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582
    10.25246312 TUR_Marmara_Balıkesir_PostMdv:I14823
    10.50863454 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I19494
    10.76518462 MKD_Anc:I10391
    10.78440541 GRC_Palace_of_Nestor_EIA:I19368
    10.84447786 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I19493

    2 way models

    Target: PalermoTrapani_ANCESTRY
    Distance: 0.5583% / 0.55827013 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
    62.7 TUR_Marmara_Balıkesir_Byz
    37.3 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA



    Target: PalermoTrapani_ANCESTRY
    Distance: 0.4393% / 0.43932705 | R2P
    73.4 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA
    26.6 ARM_Karmir_Blur_Urartian

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    I'm sorry, guys; I'm totally out of juice, but many thanks to Salento and to all those posting results.
    Distance to: Angela
    3.96764414 MKD_Anc:I10387
    4.54598724 MKD_Anc:I10390
    4.78524816 MNE_LBA:I13167
    5.07185370 MKD_Anc:I10383
    5.88070574 MKD_Anc:I10391
    5.93506529 MKD_Anc:I10388
    5.95793588 MNE_LBA:I13169
    6.19116306 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I14692
    6.24270775 BGR_Smyadovo_EBA_contam:I2176
    6.45786342 MNE_LBA:I14500
    6.57443534 MNE_LBA:I13172
    6.57942247 ALB_Mdv:I13834
    6.78405483 ALB_PostMdv:I15707
    6.84365399 BGR_TellKran_EBA:I19455
    7.13084147 BGR_TellKran_EBA:I19452
    7.18208187 MKD_Anc:I10381
    7.22678352 MNE_LBA:I13775
    7.42544275 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I14688
    7.45790185 MKD_Anc:I8112
    7.65953001 BGR_TellKran_EBA:I19456
    7.66500489 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16256
    7.92520031 MKD_Anc:I10379
    7.94832687 MKD_BA:I7231
    7.95380412 BGR_TellKran_EBA:I19451
    7.96563871 MNE_LBA_brother.I13169_son.or.brother.I13776:I1377 7


    So, the first Makedonia ancient is not too bad.

    Makedonia ancient is not so ancient; it's first millennium B.C.

    The first Montenegro LBA is not terrible. It's about two to four hundred years older.

    Distance to: Angela
    0.46990874 77.80% MNE_LBA:I13775 + 22.20% TUR_Marmara_Menteşe_N:I0724
    0.83739847 75.40% MNE_LBA:I13775 + 24.60% ROU_N:I0739
    1.00289170 76.60% MNE_LBA:I13775 + 23.40% ROU_Bodrogkeresztur_ChL:I20809
    1.15204548 76.80% MNE_LBA:I13775 + 23.20% TUR_Marmara_Menteşe_N:I0723
    1.33216413 22.60% ALB_NChL:I13838 + 77.40% MNE_LBA:I13775
    1.34605704 82.20% MNE_LBA:I13167 + 17.80% ROU_Bodrogkeresztur_ChL:I7130
    1.35608147 21.40% MKD_N:I3881 + 78.60% MNE_LBA:I13775
    1.38552620 22.60% ALB_NChL:I13840 + 77.40% MNE_LBA:I13775
    1.39722745 51.00% BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_N:I11270 + 49.00% HRV_Vinkovci_Mdv:I1879
    1.40387779 77.00% MNE_LBA:I13775 + 23.00% TUR_Marmara_Barcın_N:I1583
    1.42742061 23.00% BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_N:I11270 + 77.00% MNE_LBA:I13775
    1.43265410 22.20% BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_N:I0704 + 77.80% MNE_LBA:I13775
    1.44858096 78.40% MNE_LBA:I13775 + 21.60% TUR_Marmara_Ilıpınar_Byz1:I10429
    1.45473019 25.60% GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19364 + 74.40% MNE_LBA:I13775
    1.45616277 30.00% ALB_N:I15705 + 70.00% MNE_LBA:I13168
    1.46092678 77.20% MNE_LBA:I13775 + 22.80% TUR_Marmara_Barcın_N:I1579
    1.46371318 65.20% MNE_LBA:I13778 + 34.80% ROU_Bodrogkeresztur_ChL:I14165
    1.48441939 23.40% BGR_Yabalkovo_N:I2529 + 76.60% MNE_LBA:I13775
    1.48560146 67.40% ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16256 + 32.60% GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13579
    1.48946797 60.60% MNE_LBA:I13778 + 39.40% ROU_Bodrogkeresztur_ChL:I14160
    1.51842045 77.40% MNE_LBA:I13775 + 22.60% ROU_Bodrogkeresztur_ChL:I7132
    1.52924431 82.00% MNE_LBA:I13167 + 18.00% ROU_Bodrogkeresztur_ChL:I15618
    1.53144171 81.00% MNE_LBA:I13167 + 19.00% ROU_Bodrogkeresztur_ChL_sister.I7133:I15622
    1.54584891 53.80% BGR_MalakPreslavets_N:I1295 + 46.20% HRV_Cetina_BA:I19019
    1.54900448 78.40% BGR_MalakPreslavets_N:I1295 + 21.60% MDA_CrihanaVeche_BA:I10439



    With the Antonio et al samples:
    Distance to: Angela
    3.96764414 MKD_Anc:I10387
    4.54598724 MKD_Anc:I10390
    4.78524816 MNE_LBA:I13167
    5.07185370 MKD_Anc:I10383
    5.88070574 MKD_Anc:I10391
    5.93506529 MKD_Anc:I10388
    5.95793588 MNE_LBA:I13169
    6.16497364 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    6.19116306 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I14692
    6.20277357 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    6.24270775 BGR_Smyadovo_EBA_contam:I2176
    6.45786342 MNE_LBA:I14500
    6.57443534 MNE_LBA:I13172
    6.57942247 ALB_Mdv:I13834
    6.78405483 ALB_PostMdv:I15707
    6.84365399 BGR_TellKran_EBA:I19455
    6.88056684 R111__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    7.13084147 BGR_TellKran_EBA:I19452
    7.18208187 MKD_Anc:I10381
    7.22678352 MNE_LBA:I13775
    7.42544275 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I14688
    7.45790185 MKD_Anc:I8112
    7.65953001 BGR_TellKran_EBA:I19456
    7.66500489 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16256
    7.92520031 MKD_Anc:I10379


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... from Southern Arc dataset - Dodecad K12b coordinates - link to .zip text file

    https://www.mediafire.com/file/d4c9r...-K12b.zip/file


    Lazaridis et al. Science 2022 - The genetic history of the Southern Arc: A bridge between West Asia and Europe

    https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/...ronzeAge_1.pdf




    … the last one, I14622 is y T1a2b1
    Distance to: Torziok12b
    2.76280654 SRB_BA:I17913
    2.78336128 MNE_LBA:I13168
    2.99656470 HRV_Cetina_BA:I18752
    3.22181626 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18087
    3.62167089 HRV_Cetina_BA:I18746
    3.63487276 HRV_Anc_brother.I18831:I18830
    3.65875662 HRV_BA:I18712
    4.02510869 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16253
    4.06081273 HRV_Cetina_BA:I18088
    4.45917033 HRV_Cetina_BA:I19027
    4.60972884 MNE_LBA:I14501
    4.68939228 HRV_Cetina_BA:I19032
    4.70552866 HRV_IA:I5729
    5.00255934 MNE_LBA:I14498
    5.02970178 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18738
    5.03359712 HRV_Cetina_BA:I18745
    5.26340194 MNE_LBA:I13171
    5.30269743 MNE_LBA:I13775
    5.35839528 HRV_Anc:I18831
    5.49525250 SRB_IA:I16814
    5.52474434 SRB_BA:I16803
    5.58202472 MKD_Anc:I10384
    5.73715086 HRV_Cetina_BA:I18747
    5.75118249 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18725
    5.79006045 HRV_IA:I5724


    Target: Torziok12b
    Distance: 0.3068% / 0.30675263 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    37.1 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA
    29.2 SRB_BA
    16.9 HRV_Cetina_BA
    16.8 MNE_LBA
    Fathers mtdna ...... T2b17
    Grandfather paternal mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ...... K1a4p
    Mothers line ..... R1b-S8172
    Grandmother paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ..... R1a-PF6155

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    I17913 2100-1800 BCE SRB_BA Ostojicevo Serbia n/a (female) n/a (female) H4a1a

    and the T ...Salento

    I14622 773-885 calCE (1205±20 BP, PSUAMS-7198) ALB_Mdv Kënetë (Norteastern, Kukes District) Albania T-FGC47678 T1a2b1 H11a

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    Salento: These two guys sure are powerful, lol (At least in me).

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.0955% / 2.09549843 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
    69.1 MNE_LBA_outlier:I13166
    30.9 MKD_IA_lc:I10380




    Distance to: Duarte
    2.09555925 30.80% MKD_IA_lc:I10380 + 69.20% MNE_LBA_outlier:I13166

    And thinking that MNE_LBA_outlier:I13166 was just an outlier newborn.

    This results were obtained joining your new coordinates with all the old ones produced by Jovialis.

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 0.7928% / 0.79276424 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    52.2 MNE_LBA_outlier:I13166
    22.7 MKD_IA_lc:I10380
    12.0 Zuzach_(CH):RA63:Furtwängler_2020
    10.8 SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    2.3 SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3585:Olalde_2019



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    … you’re welcome to everyone :)

    @Duarte … the so called Outliers are very Powerful, they can make and break population norms …

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vallicanus View Post
    What does MNE stand for?
    Montenegro.

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    Distance to: bergin2_dod12b
    3.61747149 ALB_Mdv:I14622
    3.94517427 ALB_PostMdv:I14685
    4.83853284 ALB_PostMdv:I15706
    5.87534680 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16251
    5.98971619 MKD_Anc:I10389
    6.03354788 ALB_PostMdv:I14686
    6.52300544 TUR_Marmara_Balıkesir_Byz:I14822
    6.79265044 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15744
    6.93057718 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15743
    7.02290538 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15463
    7.41915763 ALB_PostMdv:I14687
    7.43899187 MKD_BA:I7231
    7.78333476 HRV_Cetina_BA:I11843
    7.98814747 BGR_Tell_Ezero_EBA:I19460
    8.14904902 TUR_Marmara_Balıkesir_PostMdv:I14823
    8.21239307 BGR_Veliko_Tarnovo_Mdv:I17980
    8.37489104 MKD_Anc:I10382
    8.74962285 SRB_IA:I16814
    8.80200545 BGR_TellKran_EBA:I19453
    9.04615941 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I14690
    9.05377269 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16254
    9.06925576 MKD_Anc:I10391
    9.07225992 MKD_Anc:I10384
    9.09885158 MKD_Anc:I10388
    9.20153791 ALB_PostMdv:I15707

    Thanks a lot for the source file Salento!
    A question, I did notice that some other posters have distances in the order of 0.2 to some entries from the Lazzaridis 22paper, or nearly a better match than mine by a factor 10:
    -should I try an alternative source of ancient DNA to reduce the distance? Suggestions welcome.

    I am also posting the 2way admixture:

    Distance to: bergin2_dod12b
    1.28521024 70.60% SRB_IA:I16814 + 29.40% TUR_BlackSea_Samsun_Anc_A:I5249
    1.29245580 63.60% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18722 + 36.40% TUR_Marmara_İznik_Y.kapı_Byz:I14833
    1.31897116 64.20% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18722 + 35.80% TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Stratonikeia_Byz:I20574
    1.41095292 33.00% ALB_Mdv:I13839 + 67.00% ALB_PostMdv:I15706
    1.41826551 61.60% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18722 + 38.40% TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Samantaş_Byz:I20259
    1.42846305 48.60% SRB_BA_outlier:I17916 + 51.40% TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Samantaş_Byz:I20259
    1.48379180 38.80% ALB_PostMdv:I14687 + 61.20% ALB_PostMdv:I15706
    1.55301807 45.40% SRB_BA:I16803 + 54.60% TUR_Marmara_Balıkesir_Byz:I14832
    1.57896300 78.00% ALB_PostMdv:I15706 + 22.00% BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I19494
    1.58902822 65.40% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18722 + 34.60% TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Stratonikeia_Byz:I20146
    1.59641517 27.80% ARM_Bagheri_Tchala_EIA_son.I14065.son.I14066:I1621 6 + 72.20% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18074
    1.60035122 47.20% ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16254 + 52.80% TUR_Marmara_Balıkesir_PostMdv:I14823
    1.63579803 81.60% HRV_Cetina_BA:I18747 + 18.40% TUR_BlackSea_Samsun_Anc_A:I5228
    1.66577896 36.20% HRV_Cetina_BA:I19029 + 63.80% HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15744
    1.67739750 25.80% ARM_Bragdzor_EIA:I16536 + 74.20% BGR_Smyadovo_EBA:I2180
    1.69384944 80.80% SRB_IA:I16814 + 19.20% TUR_BlackSea_Amasya_EBA:I7073
    1.70316739 52.40% SRB_BA_outlier:I17916 + 47.60% TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Stratonikeia_Byz:I20146
    1.70853826 79.40% ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16254 + 20.60% MKD_Anc_outlier1:I10392
    1.71093632 87.80% ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I14690 + 12.20% ISR_Natufian_EpiP:I1687_d
    1.71100083 89.00% ALB_PostMdv:I15706 + 11.00% CYP_PPNB:I4210
    1.71119200 34.20% MNE_Vrbička_Mes:I16995 + 65.80% TUR_Marmara_Apollonia_Rom:I14845
    1.71609522 94.00% ALB_Mdv:I14622 + 6.00% HRV_MLBA_lc:I18718_d
    1.71951422 60.80% HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18722 + 39.20% TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Stratonikeia_Byz:I20147
    1.72394320 52.80% ALB_Mdv:I14622 + 47.20% ALB_PostMdv:I14685
    1.72508922 80.20% HRV_Cetina_BA:I18747 + 19.80% TUR_SE_Kilis_EBA_A:I16580

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    Just out of curiosity, introducing Shum Laka average in source data (courtesy of Doggerland) and working Vahaduo using as source all ancient K12b coordinates produced so far.

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 0.7345% / 0.73452467 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    41.6 SE_Iberia_c5-8CE
    29.5 CSN012
    20.6 IND006
    4.0 Shum_Laka
    3.9 MNE_LBA_outlier
    0.4 Brillenhohle


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 0.5421% / 0.54207589 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    28.7 MNE_LBA_outlier
    26.7 SE_Iberia_c5-8CE
    21.7 CSN012
    11.0 MKD_IA_lc
    8.1 IND006
    2.1 Shum_Laka
    1.7 IND004
    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 0.0908% / 0.09075747 | R7P
    44.2 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE
    21.0 Zuzach_(CH)
    14.0 IND004
    12.1 MNE_LBA_outlier
    5.1 Hungary_EN
    3.6 Shum_Laka


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 0.1850% / 0.18501942 | R6P
    75.1 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE
    9.2 IND004
    8.1 ROU_Trestiana_BA
    4.0 Straubing_Bajuwarenstraße-(Inter-ADH)_Male
    3.6 Shum_Laka


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 0.0690% / 0.06899036 | R5P
    44.5 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE
    37.2 Beaker_Central_Europe
    14.0 Salzmuende_MN
    4.3 Shum_Laka


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 0.2165% / 0.21651111 | R4P
    78.4 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE
    17.2 England_CA_EBA
    4.4 Shum_Laka


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 0.2977% / 0.29774009 | R3P (Aggregated)
    73.8 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE
    23.0 IND016
    3.2 Shum_Laka


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 0.2850% / 0.28503262 | R3P (Disaggregated)
    25.2 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I12648:Olalde_2019
    24.6 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I7457:Olalde_2019
    23.1 IND016
    12.1 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I12650:Olalde_2019
    5.9 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I7500:Olalde_2019
    4.5 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I12515:Olalde_2019
    3.1 Shum_Laka
    1.5 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I12649:Olalde_2019
    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 1.8751% / 1.87505289 | R2P (Aggregated)
    80.2 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE
    19.8 Scotland_CA_EBA


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 1.8751% / 1.87505289 | R2P (Disaggregated)
    54.8 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I7457:Olalde_2019
    25.4 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I12648:Olalde_2019
    15.0 Scotland_CA_EBA:I5515:Olalde_2018
    4.8 Scotland_CA_EBA:I5470:Olalde_2018



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    1 members found this post helpful.
    Distance to: tonyc
    2.36448726 ALB_Mdv:I14622
    4.37383127 MKD_Anc:I10389
    4.42727907 ALB_PostMdv:I14686
    5.04591914 ALB_PostMdv:I14685
    5.75075647 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15744
    5.89841504 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15463
    6.11912575 ALB_PostMdv:I15706
    6.36374104 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16251
    6.77552950 ALB_PostMdv:I14687
    6.94926615 MKD_BA:I7231
    7.57013210 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15462
    7.65610214 BGR_Veliko_Tarnovo_Mdv:I17980
    7.93528827 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15743
    7.99334723 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15741
    8.48520477 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I19490
    8.51374183 ALB_Mdv:I13839
    8.52386063 ALB_PostMdv:I15707
    8.82960928 HRV_Cetina_BA:I11843
    8.84559212 MKD_Anc:I10382
    8.97184485 BGR_TellKran_EBA:I19453
    9.02777935 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I14688
    9.05368986 MKD_Anc:I10391
    9.13995624 MKD_Anc:I10379
    9.26590524 BGR_Tell_Ezero_EBA:I19460
    9.35748364 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I14690



    Target: tonyc
    Distance: 65.2973% / 0.65297265 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC
    38.2 BGR_Anc:I19500
    28.2 HRV_Cetina_BA_1d.rel.I19027.possible.1d.rel.I19020 :I19022
    13.6 HRV_Cetina_BA:I11843
    12.4 HRV_Cetina_BA:I19025
    7.6 HRV_Cetina_BA:I18747

    Target: tonyc
    Distance: 65.2973% / 0.65297265 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC
    38.2 BGR_Anc:I19500
    28.2 HRV_Cetina_BA_1d.rel.I19027.possible.1d.rel.I19020 :I19022
    13.6 HRV_Cetina_BA:I11843
    12.4 HRV_Cetina_BA:I19025
    7.6 HRV_Cetina_BA:I18747

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    2 members found this post helpful.
    Jovialis post #1 more Salento’s recent coordinates to Southern Arc and Anglo-Saxons published in Eupedia threads.

    Distance to: Duarte
    6.29654667 NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE:i10892:Olalde_2019
    6.57972074 IND006_Germany_North_Rhine-Westphalia_Alt-Inden
    6.83142738 NE_Iberia_c8-12CE:I10895:Olalde_2019
    7.15328596 SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3585:Olalde_2019
    7.40270896 SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE:i12516:Olalde_2019
    7.51741312 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I12514:Olalde_2019
    7.79453013 C7-Villa_Magna_MA:R63:Antonio_2019
    7.96743999 SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    7.98827891 NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE:i10852:Olalde_2019
    8.29628230 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I12649:Olalde_2019
    8.54598151 HRV_Cetina_BA_outlier:I19031
    8.57093927 Crusader_Pit:SI40:Haber_2019
    8.65500433 SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE:i3982:Olalde_2019
    8.79383307 NE_Iberia_c6-8CE_ES:I7675:Olalde_2019
    8.85043502 NE_Iberia_c8-12CE:I10853:Olalde_2019
    8.94111291 NE_Iberia_BA:i1313:Olalde_2019
    8.99556557 C7-Crypta_Balbi_Late_Antiquity:R110:Antonio_2019
    9.04119461 HRV_IA:I5726
    9.25598725 TAQ001:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
    9.29074809 C7-Cancelleria_MA:R1289:Antonio_2019
    9.38223321 Beaker_Central_Europe:I6534:Olalde_2018
    9.53438514 Balkans_N:I2215:Mathieson_2018
    9.54338514 NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES:i7673:Olalde_2019
    9.57831405 MNE_LBA_outlier:I13166
    9.70848598 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I7457:Olalde_2019


    Distance to: Duarte
    2.09555925 30.80% MKD_IA_lc:I10380 + 69.20% MNE_LBA_outlier:I13166
    2.63495619 53.20% Scotland_CA_EBA:i5469:Olalde_2018 + 46.80% VEN009:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
    2.68112278 29.80% DUN010_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Dunum + 70.20% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    2.86348734 24.40% DRU005_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Drantum + 75.60% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    2.96763883 23.60% DRU007_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Drantum + 76.40% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    3.00279988 24.40% DRU017_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Drantum + 75.60% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    3.01927862 22.60% DRU011_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Drantum + 77.40% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    3.04177604 21.40% SRS004_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Schortens + 78.60% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    3.08139766 23.00% DRU009_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Drantum + 77.00% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    3.09489112 23.20% DUN013_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Dunum + 76.80% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    3.12557895 25.00% ZET001_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Zetel + 75.00% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    3.13267837 19.60% HVN003_Germany_Mecklenburg-Vorpommern_Haeven + 80.40% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    3.14529024 20.80% BUK002_UK_Kent_Dover_Buckland + 79.20% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    3.16569087 21.20% DUN007_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Dunum + 78.80% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    3.16583331 23.60% BUK069_UK_Kent_Dover_Buckland + 76.40% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    3.18791192 21.80% DRU001_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Drantum + 78.20% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    3.23943480 21.60% ADN011_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Hannover-Anderten + 78.40% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    3.24321118 18.80% SRS001_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Schortens + 81.20% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    3.25363435 23.40% DUN005_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Dunum + 76.60% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    3.26435853 37.60% MKD_IA_lc:I10380 + 62.40% IND003_Germany_North_Rhine-Westphalia_Alt-Inden
    3.26847507 23.40% DUN011_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Dunum + 76.60% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    3.26849160 21.60% DRU006_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Drantum + 78.40% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    3.32175211 22.40% DRU016_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Drantum + 77.60% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    3.33304975 21.80% DUN012_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Dunum + 78.20% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
    3.33678069 20.40% LAK013_UK_Suffolk_RAF_Lakenheath + 79.60% SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 1.5097% / 1.50968568 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    36.8 SE_Iberia_c5-8CE
    30.4 MNE_LBA_outlier
    14.2 NE_Iberia_RomP_out
    13.6 Scotland_CA_EBA
    5.0 CSN012


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 0.5799% / 0.57992150 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    44.8 MNE_LBA_outlier
    18.8 MKD_IA_lc
    15.1 SE_Iberia_c5-8CE
    9.2 CSN012
    8.0 IND004_Germany_North_Rhine-Westphalia_Alt-Inden
    4.1 Scotland_CA_EBA


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 0.3205% / 0.32050384
    41.8 MNE_LBA_outlier
    18.9 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE
    14.8 SE_Iberia_c5-8CE
    13.8 MKD_IA_lc
    4.4 SRS001_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Schortens
    3.4 ZET001_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Zetel
    1.5 HRV_Cetina_BA
    1.4 DUN012_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Dunum

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 0.3646% / 0.36462307 | R5P
    39.6 MNE_LBA_outlier
    24.1 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE
    12.5 MKD_IA_lc
    12.3 ZET001_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Zetel
    11.5 SE_Iberia_c5-8CE


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 0.4600% / 0.46003363 | R4P
    38.9 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE
    32.5 MNE_LBA_outlier
    14.7 DUN012_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Dunum
    13.9 MKD_IA_lc


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 0.9156% / 0.91563038 | R3P
    48.8 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE
    34.7 MNE_LBA_outlier
    16.5 ZET001_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Zetel


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 1.2860% / 1.28604460 | R2P
    77.0 SE_Iberia_c10-16CE
    23.0 DRU007_Germany_Lower_Saxony_Drantum

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    3 members found this post helpful.
    @Salento & Pax Augusta

    I have put together the coordinates for modern populations that you contributed previously, along with the HGDP coordinates for modern west eurasians.

    Please let me know if anything is missing, so we can complete the list.

    https://www.mediafire.com/file/d4px3...+Dodecad+K12b+[9-22-22].txt/file

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Please let me know if anything is missing, so we can complete the list.
    Could these samples be outliers?

    Code:
    Distance to:    C36:Armernia__arm21
    14.65237523    C23:Bosnian__Bosnian_7
    14.82311371    C23:Bosnian__Bosnian_4
    15.32262706    C23:Bosnian__Bosnian_2
    15.32823865    C20:Slovenia__Slovenian172
    15.33374384    C20:Hungary__hungary2
    15.97764376    C20:Hungary__hungary14
    16.00702658    C23:N_Macedonian__Macedonian3
    16.11997829    C23:Hungary__hungary19
    16.20548673    C20:Hungary__hungary18
    16.38290878    C23:Bosnian__Bosnian_11
    
    Distance to:    C33:Yemen__Yemen1
    27.68375697    C30:Jordan__Jordan444
    28.27031128    C32:SaudiA__SaudiA2
    28.34421634    C35:Yemen__Yemen6
    28.36438788    C35:Yemen__Yemen3
    39.39279503    C9:Bedouin__HGDP00621
    39.84942660    C34:Yemen__Yemen2
    42.29852480    C34:Yemen__Yemen7
    42.64845366    C34:Yemen__Yemen4
    44.93851021    C34:Yemen__Yemen8
    45.05678417    C4:Palestinian__HGDP00692
    
    Distance to:    C32:SaudiA__SaudiA2
    15.78407108    C30:Jordan__Jordan444
    19.51761000    C34:Yemen__Yemen2
    19.83933215    C35:Yemen__Yemen6
    19.86145513    C35:Yemen__Yemen3
    22.61279505    C34:Yemen__Yemen7
    27.44401938    C34:Yemen__Yemen8
    27.89184289    C34:Yemen__Yemen4
    28.27031128    C33:Yemen__Yemen1
    29.13099895    C4:Bedouin__HGDP00646
    29.70605157    C4:Bedouin__HGDP00632
    
    Distance to:    C30:Jordan__Jordan444
    15.78407108    C32:SaudiA__SaudiA2
    27.68375697    C33:Yemen__Yemen1
    28.33757400    C35:Yemen__Yemen3
    28.34466793    C35:Yemen__Yemen6
    30.11704335    C9:Bedouin__HGDP00621
    31.93713199    C34:Yemen__Yemen2
    34.34878746    C34:Yemen__Yemen7
    37.17237953    C4:Bedouin__HGDP00646
    38.78427259    C34:Yemen__Yemen4
    38.87813010    C4:Palestinian__HGDP00692
    
    Distance to:    C27:Turkey__tur182
    11.45760883    C14:Turkey__tur236
    13.12715506    C14:Turkey__tur84
    13.28340694    C14:Turkey__tur170
    13.73582906    C14:Turkey__tur37
    14.05379308    C14:Syria__syria1
    14.08955996    C14:Turkey__tur139
    14.13388482    C15:Armernia__arm9
    14.33437128    C14:Turkey__tur277
    15.29806524    C15:Armernia__arm19
    15.51546648    C14:Turkey__tur262
    
    Distance to:    C23:Germany_B__GermanB18
    3.65521545    C23:Friuli-Venezia-Giulia__KF2700922
    3.77201538    C23:Montenegro__Montenegro14
    4.10888063    C23:Friuli-Venezia-Giulia__ALP093
    4.19302993    C23:Friuli-Venezia-Giulia__ALP435
    4.20017857    C23:Montenegro__Montenegro6
    4.48191923    C23:Montenegro__Montenegro20
    4.86224228    C23:Serbia__Serbia10
    5.27998106    C23:UK_Wales__WalesL45
    5.38686365    C22:Friuli-Venezia-Giulia__ALP346
    5.55248593    C23:Montenegro__Montenegro9
    
    Distance to:    C20:French_Provence__provance4409
    2.90162024    C20:Germany_B__GermanB19
    3.17590932    C20:Germany_B__GermanB21
    3.63443256    C20:Germany_B__GermanB16
    4.55835497    C23:Friuli-Venezia-Giulia__ALP220
    4.65217154    C20:UK_Wales__WalesDR68
    4.67647303    C20:Germany_B__GermanB14
    4.74728343    C20:Germany_B__GermanB11
    4.89128817    C20:Germany_B__GermanB5
    4.90274413    C20:Slovenia__Slovenian136
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    I took the liberty of dividing the samples into macro-clusters, in the PCA I had to exclude the Mozabites to get a better view.

    https://pastebin.com/raw/kFnNxvc8


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    The name of the blog escapes me, "Genetic Genealogy" or something like that. He had a bunch of tools users could download but the website is no longer there. He also had some aDNA samples for download. But I think it could be found on wayback time machine. I believe he became very religious, and stopped the hobby.

    I downloaded the CSV files from his google folder which is also no longer around. They're probably mislabeled and should be pruned out.

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    Another PCA but with population clusters.

    https://pastebin.com/raw/KAdstdx3


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    @Salento & Pax Augusta

    I have put together the coordinates for modern populations that you contributed previously, along with the HGDP coordinates for modern west eurasians.

    Please let me know if anything is missing, so we can complete the list.

    https://www.mediafire.com/file/d4px3...+Dodecad+K12b+[9-22-22].txt/file
    @Jovialis … Thanks for consolidating, it makes it easier for everyone :)

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    3 members found this post helpful.
    Gnecchi_Ruscone_2022:

    Ancient genomes reveal origin and rapid trans-Eurasian migration of 7th century Avar elites

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    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...92867422002677

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    3 members found this post helpful.
    Nice job Salento.

    Distance to: Jovialis
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    11.69486640 Hungary_Transtisza_Maros_Avar_7th-Cen_AD:I16750
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    Nice job Salento

    Distance to: Duarte
    15.53933396 Hungary_SouthTransdanubia_Avar_8th-Cen_AD:I16759
    16.76516329 Hungary_NorthHungaryMountains_Avar_8th-Cen_AD:I16752
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