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    Here are all of the samples, I re-labeled them to match the study's PCA. Here they with the source as modern populations, and projecting the HO Greek and Italian samples, along with the new samples from Koptekin et al. 2022.

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    Combining the coordinates found in this post: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post661092

    Here are all of the Ancient Greeks, with Italian and Greek HO samples, in addition to these new samples; projected over modern samples.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post


    Here are all of the samples, I re-labeled them to match the study's PCA. Here they with the source as modern populations, and projecting the HO Greek and Italian samples, along with the new samples from Koptekin et al. 2022.
    Went back to the original paper, and it is absolutely comparable. Theopetra in Thessaly has the most EHG and CHG.

    I'm out of juice, but thanks Jovialis. :)

    Thanks also to Salento and Palermo. I don't know how I missed this paper. I'll add some thoughts to Palermo's post on it.

    Oh, I see I didn't post the one-to-one match up for me.

    Distance to: Angela
    10.22200078 G37_Sarakenos_Aegean_2335-2300_calBCE
    11.05099543 G23_Theopetra_Aegean_2335–2140_calBCE
    23.57940415 G66_Perachora_Aegean_2700-2200_BCE
    24.08960979 G31_Perachora_Aegean_2700-2200_BCE
    24.80626131 G76a_Perachora_Aegean_2569-2340_calBCE
    24.99860796 G65_Perachora_Aegean_2700-2200_BCE
    25.36908158 G62_Perachora_Aegean_2700-2200_BCE
    26.36976109 mus006_Anatolia_Musular_7180–7039_calBCE
    26.61555560 mus005_Anatolia_Musular_7377–7167_calBCE
    28.15710923 ulu117_Anatolia_Ulucak_4000–3000_BCE
    28.35627267 GOR001_Anatolia_Gordion_333–0_BCE
    31.81678802 CTG025_Cine-Tepecik_Anatolia_1977–1772_calBCE
    32.00099530 gur016_S-Caucasus_Nazarlebi_Georgia_1500–1000_BCE_lc
    33.64430858 BOG024_Bogazkoy_Anatolia_130–190_CE
    34.26829584 BOG020_Bogazkoy_Anatolia_130–190_CE
    36.84218506 BOG028_Bogazkoy_Anatolia_1000–1900_CE
    38.87752564 BOG019_Bogazkoy_Anatolia_100–350_CE_lc
    39.71966264 geo005_S-Caucasus_Didnauri_Georgia_1258–1049_calBCE
    41.23105383 gur017_S-Caucasus_Nazarlebi_Georgia_1500–1000_BCE
    41.54587344 GOR002_Anatolia_Gordion_333–0_BCE_lc
    41.71331682 geo006_S-Caucasus_Didnauri_Georgia_1041–837_calBCE_lc
    42.94213665 gur019_S-Caucasus_Nazarlebi_Georgia_1500–1000_BCE_lc
    43.91811927 zrj003_S-Caucasus_Shamakhi_Azerbaijan_206–347_calCE
    44.59165056 geo029_S-Caucasus_Didnauri_Georgia_1220–1016_calBCE
    48.41738118 geo015_S-Caucasus_Doghlauri_Georgia_3016–2886_calBCE
    50.42665962 geo017_S-Caucasus_Doghlauri_Georgia_1373–1118_calBCE_lc
    55.58341389 sha004_Iran_Shahtepe_3487–3101_calBCE
    56.07650221 sha012_Iran_Shahtepe_3200–3100_BCE
    56.82824914 sha007_Iran_Shahtepe_3368–3100_calBCE
    58.07963843 sha014_Iran_Shahtepe_3200–3100_BCE


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    Angela: I meant to PM you as well when I sent an email to Jovialis and Salento but your email mail box was full and my message got rejected. First thing I thought of was what you and Jovialis thoughts were on the paper. Salento of course was every efficient and went to work, as he always does, and produced the coordinates for the forum.

    I noted the Southern Arc papers because these new samples show the same results regarding Anatolia, no Steppe ancestry as the Southern Arc papers and also the new Greek samples in the Southern Arc papers. However, this paper documents some Steppe ancestry in the Greek mainland at 4,200 years ago, the earliest to date.

    I do not want to stir up a hornets nest but given all the comments on the Southern Arc papers, my take is these new samples are 100% in line with what was reported in those papers. Of course new samples not yet analyzed may provide different results but the results of this new paper are remarkably consist with the Southern Arc papers.

    Cheers, PT
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    Some new ones, if not already posted:


    Code:
    Chagyrskaya7_Neanderthal,0.00,0.65,0.00,2.47,2.45,4.25,0.00,18.32,0.00,0.87,0.00,70.97
    GroughsCave_Paleolithic,0.00,2.07,0.01,7.06,31.15,42.92,13.38,0.00,0.00,1.22,0.00,2.20
    KendricksCave_Paleolithic,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.09,29.91,68.29,0.00,1.72,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Kennewick_Man,9.60,36.54,0.00,5.67,0.00,17.59,4.20,0.00,0.00,23.03,0.00,3.37
    BerryAuBac,0.00,0.59,0.00,0.00,30.62,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.53,0.00,5.24
    Bockstein,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,34.78,63.02,0.00,2.19,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Brillenhöhle,0.00,0.00,0.00,4.27,40.22,20.65,19.07,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,15.80
    Burkhardshöhle,7.82,3.37,0.46,8.05,26.07,34.25,14.61,0.00,4.26,0.00,0.00,1.13
    Chaudardes1,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.19,23.93,73.13,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.75
    Cioclovina,9.91,5.70,5.83,0.00,13.71,30.24,7.78,16.08,0.00,10.33,0.00,0.42
    Continenza,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,31.88,64.75,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,3.36
    Goyet53,0.00,0.45,1.48,11.44,26.82,24.01,11.93,0.85,15.96,0.00,0.00,7.06
    Goyet56,0.00,0.00,0.00,8.05,47.64,41.14,3.18,0.00,00.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Goyetq2,0.00,4.30,0.00,3.35,32.58,42.05,14.70,0.00,00.00,0.00,0.00,3.03
    Goyetq356,2.87,12.81,0.00,0.00,32.38,29.82,11.01,6.16,0.00,0.00,0.00,4.95
    Goyetq1161,2.24,3.18,0.64,5.78,28.30,27.54,21.56,2.23,3.27,3.43,0.00,1.82
    Hohefels49,0.00,11.00,0.00,0.84,26.60,43.65,8.99,0.00,0.00,0.99,0.00,7.93
    Hohefels79,4.87,0.00,0.00,0.00,40.39,23.64,8.86,10.05,0.00,12.20,0.00,0.00
    Iboussieres39,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,8.56,89.57,1.86,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Hohefels49,0.00,11.00,0.00,0.84,26.60,43.65,8.99,0.00,0.00,0.99,0.00,7.93
    Kostenki12,8.05,0.00,4.93,9.27,18.44,26.58,7.02,5.92,10.64,4.14,5.00,0.00
    LesCloseaux13,0.00,0.15,0.00,8.42,12.36,71.46,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,7.61
    Ostuni1,0.00,0.00,3.91,3.94,28.28,36.32,16.14,3.72,2.66,5.03,0.00,0.00
    Ostuni2,16.81,14.54,2.56,0.00,21.65,26.28,5.40,0.00,0.00,7.02,0.00,5.74
    Paglicci108,0.00,2.87,0.00,4.52,32.71,30.29,0.00,0.00,5.77,23.34,0.00,0.49
    Paglicci133,0.00,3.77,7.09,0.00,27.48,28.78,15.98,0.00,7.00,2.66,0.00,7.24
    Pavlov1,1.45,8.75,1.40,0.00,27.37,39.25,10.85,3.39,0.00,3.39,0.00,3.86
    Rigney1,0.00,1.73,0.00,3.46,41.24,34.48,7.25,3.35,0.00,4.21,0.00,4.28
    Vestonice13,1.88,3.30,2.63,23.25,38.98,16.56,0.87,1.54,7.23,0.00,0.00,1.30
    Vestonice14,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,14.96,43.48,0.00,38.15,0.00,3.41,0.00,0.00
    Vestonice15,0.00,9.70,7.78,7.88,24.99,34.69,6.64,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,8.33
    Vestonice43,0.00,1.62,0.00,7.35,39.40,35.06,10.06,1.60,1.97,0.00,0.00,2.95
    ItalyPaleolithicSanTeodoro1,0.00,1.38,0.00,0.75,32.38,61.65,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,3.84
    ItalyPaleolithicSanTeodoro2,0.00,1.83,0.00,0.00,30.86,62.79,0.00,1.57,0.00,0.00,0.00,3.01
    Northern_Fertile_Crescent,33.91,2.01,1.20,0.00,1.10,0.00,4.82,1.23,13.50,1.37,39.63,1.23
    ItalyMeso2,0.00,0.50,0.00,0.00,30.16,69.34,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    ItalyMeso1,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,31.98,68.02,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    SpainSouthMesolithic,0.00,2.67,0.00,3.27,36.16,50.43,6.42,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.04
    NeolithicFranceBerg022,0.00,0.00,4.03,0.00,66.74,10.60,0.00,0.00,5.28,0.00,13.33,0.03
    NeolithicFranceBerg1572,0.00,0.00,1.64,0.00,65.67,7.83,0.00,0.00,9.16,0.00,15.70,0.00
    NeolithicFranceBerg1577,0.00,0.00,5.07,0.00,60.29,8.35,0.00,0.38,9.24,0.00,16.67,0.00
    IndusValley_Merged,36.13,4.55,0.00,11.62,5.22,2.16,33.12,0.00,0.82,0.00,2.88,3.51
    IndusValley1,28.50,4.96,0.00,7.48,0.00,0.00,54.75,4.32,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    IndusValley2,11.78,10.99,0.00,12.28,10.84,5.32,48.78,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    IndusValley3,16.73,3.25,5.31,19.64,7.79,0.00,33.40,0.00,0.00,0.70,0.00,13.18
    IndusValley4,0.00,0.00,19.81,0.00,11.40,0.00,23.84,0.00,13.00,0.00,31.95,0.00
    IndusValley5,41.30,9.13,0.00,9.69,9.36,0.00,30.50,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    SwatValley1,42.90,3.63,0.00,2.27,0.00,10.86,22.16,0.00,2.84,0.00,13.43,1.91
    SwatValley2,38.52,3.17,0.00,1.11,0.00,11.55,28.41,0.29,1.37,2.59,10.44,2.54

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    ... as alternative: noUDG Taforalt (ReichLab) ... about 13200-11900 BC :

    Dodecad K12b
    Code:
    Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF009_noUDG,0.00,4.13,60.71,0.00,0.00,0.00,5.55,19.11,6.94,0.00,0.00,3.56
    Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF010_noUDG,0.00,0.42,67.68,2.03,0.00,0.10,1.10,18.99,4.84,0.00,0.00,4.82
    Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG,0.00,0.57,67.26,1.71,0.00,0.00,0.38,18.36,5.20,0.29,0.00,6.23
    Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF013_noUDG,0.00,0.36,66.71,3.40,0.00,0.00,0.00,18.57,5.04,0.00,0.00,5.93
    Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF014_noUDG,0.00,0.18,66.90,1.82,0.00,0.00,0.99,19.20,4.40,0.00,0.00,6.50
    Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF015_noUDG,0.00,0.00,61.23,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,23.26,10.39,0.00,0.00,5.12
    Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF012_noUDG,0.00,0.56,68.70,1.79,0.00,0.24,2.51,19.37,3.56,0.13,0.00,3.13

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    ... coordinates from enhanced samples (more SNPs) ... ReichLab.

    Dodecad K12b
    Code:
    Israel_Natufian:I1072_enhanced,0.00,0.00,20.56,2.28,21.22,0.00,0.00,3.92,44.31,0.00,7.71,0.00
    Jordan_PPNB:I1415_enhanced,0.00,0.00,4.57,0.00,20.03,0.00,0.00,0.00,38.77,0.00,36.64,0.00
    Jordan_PPNB:I1701_enhanced,0.00,0.00,11.10,0.00,12.06,0.00,0.00,2.95,34.04,0.00,39.85,0.00
    Jordan_PPNB:I1709_enhanced,0.00,0.00,14.83,0.00,21.56,0.61,0.00,2.05,27.50,0.00,33.46,0.00
    Jordan_PPNC:I1679_enhanced,0.00,0.00,11.26,0.00,22.56,0.00,0.00,2.38,29.69,0.00,34.10,0.00
    Bulgaria_C_o:I2426_enhanced,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,48.45,8.37,0.00,1.27,24.04,0.00,17.87,0.00
    Bulgaria_C_oSteppe:I2181_enhanced,4.01,0.00,0.00,0.00,41.04,37.21,0.00,0.15,4.80,0.00,12.43,0.37
    Bulgaria_MalakPreslavets_N:I1296_enhanced,0.00,0.00,5.52,0.00,52.28,16.30,0.00,0.00,8.31,0.00,17.39,0.20
    Bulgaria_MalakPreslavets_N:I2215_enhanced,0.00,1.83,1.36,0.00,44.58,23.64,0.00,0.00,6.81,0.00,20.74,1.03
    Bulgaria_MalakPreslavets_N_oHighEEF:I2216_enhanced,0.00,0.00,3.33,0.00,50.33,4.43,0.00,0.67,9.09,0.00,32.15,0.00
    Bulgaria_N:I0704_enhanced,0.00,0.00,3.08,0.00,51.80,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.43,0.00,31.69,0.00
    Bulgaria_N:I1298_enhanced,0.00,0.00,7.78,0.00,52.11,0.00,0.00,0.00,10.00,0.00,30.12,0.00
    Bulgaria_N:I2529_enhanced,0.00,0.00,1.37,0.00,45.32,1.40,0.00,0.33,14.91,0.00,36.62,0.05
    England_N:I4949_enhanced,0.00,1.09,3.90,0.00,71.20,19.87,0.00,1.73,1.56,0.00,0.65,0.00
    France_BellBeaker:I1391_enhanced,9.44,1.70,0.00,0.00,36.91,40.19,0.00,0.00,0.67,0.13,10.12,0.84
    France_BellBeaker:I2575_enhanced,5.44,0.93,0.00,0.00,38.10,54.80,0.00,0.73,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    France_BellBeaker:I1389_enhanced,12.61,0.00,2.09,0.16,40.74,40.61,1.78,0.00,1.64,0.00,0.00,0.37
    France_BerryAuBac:BerryAuBac_enhanced_noUDG,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,31.18,63.60,0.00,1.45,0.00,1.32,0.00,2.45
    Hungary_MN_ALPc_new:I4188_enhanced,0.00,0.00,1.54,0.00,54.94,6.04,0.00,0.18,11.74,0.00,25.56,0.00
    Iran_C_TepeHissar:I2921_enhanced,51.56,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,5.23,0.00,8.33,0.00,34.46,0.41
    Iran_Mesolithic_BeltCave_noUDG:I2312_enhanced_noUDG_d,65.06,3.53,0.00,3.44,0.00,2.57,5.17,0.00,0.00,0.00,16.99,3.25
    Iran_ShahrISokhta_BA2:I11480_enhanced,61.97,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,15.15,8.32,3.42,0.00,11.14,0.00
    Italy_Sardinia_MBA:I16170_enhanced,0.00,0.00,3.61,0.00,69.08,6.08,0.37,0.11,6.58,0.00,14.07,0.10
    Jordan_PPNB:I1414_enhanced,0.00,0.00,13.66,0.00,19.02,0.00,0.00,0.00,33.08,0.52,33.72,0.00
    Jordan_PPNB:I1700_enhanced,0.00,0.00,13.15,0.00,28.00,0.00,0.00,0.77,34.26,0.00,23.83,0.00
    Netherlands_BellBeaker:I4067_enhanced,11.05,0.00,0.00,0.00,34.56,50.61,3.25,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.53,0.00
    Poland_GlobularAmphora:I2405_enhanced,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,65.64,17.92,0.00,0.26,5.26,0.00,10.50,0.41
    Poland_GlobularAmphora:I2435_enhanced,0.00,2.14,0.00,0.00,69.00,19.81,4.02,0.00,4.38,0.00,0.00,0.65
    Poland_GlobularAmphora:I2407_enhanced,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,61.58,10.85,0.00,2.73,21.66,2.35,0.84,0.00
    Scotland_C_EBA:I2569_enhanced,14.30,0.00,0.00,1.30,28.53,41.73,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.46,0.67
    Scotland_C_EBA_mediumhighEEF:I5471_enhanced,12.54,0.51,0.55,0.77,39.22,42.38,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,3.64,0.39
    Scotland_N:I2629_enhanced,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,60.98,22.28,0.00,0.55,0.00,4.25,11.95,0.00
    Scotland_N:I2796_enhanced,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,55.13,17.05,0.00,1.90,10.84,0.00,13.19,1.89
    Scotland_N:I3137_enhanced,0.00,0.00,2.28,0.00,68.73,15.37,0.00,0.00,3.21,0.00,10.41,0.00
    Spain_LBA:I2469_enhanced,3.50,0.00,0.00,0.44,50.84,28.85,0.00,0.00,3.30,0.00,13.07,0.00
    Spain_MBA:I2470_enhanced,0.00,0.00,1.86,0.13,55.40,25.46,1.07,0.50,2.36,0.00,12.78,0.45
    Spain_Menorca_LBA_new:I3315_enhanced,2.44,0.00,2.06,1.05,55.49,26.29,0.00,0.00,3.48,0.00,8.77,0.43
    Turkey_N:I0723_enhanced,0.00,0.00,4.62,0.00,49.41,0.00,0.00,0.00,11.75,0.00,34.21,0.00
    Turkey_N:I0724_enhanced,0.00,0.00,1.74,0.00,51.71,0.00,0.00,0.00,9.32,0.00,37.24,0.00
    Turkey_N:I0727_enhanced,0.00,0.00,2.35,0.00,44.33,0.00,0.00,0.00,12.99,0.00,40.33,0.00
    Turkey_N:I1579_enhanced,0.00,0.00,4.07,0.00,50.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,12.47,0.00,32.37,0.54
    Turkey_N:I1580_enhanced,0.00,0.02,3.48,0.00,46.95,0.00,0.00,0.00,15.01,0.00,34.54,0.00
    Turkey_N:I1581_enhanced,0.00,0.00,2.98,0.09,46.51,0.00,0.00,0.00,17.15,0.00,32.95,0.32
    Turkey_N:I1583_enhanced,0.00,0.00,5.11,0.11,46.82,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.71,0.00,34.25,0.00
    Turkey_N:I1585_enhanced,0.00,0.00,2.27,0.00,48.45,0.00,0.00,0.00,14.03,0.42,34.31,0.51
    Turkey_N:I0854_enhanced,0.00,0.00,3.59,0.00,45.69,0.00,0.00,0.00,16.65,0.00,34.06,0.00
    Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya:I3141_enhanced,24.72,4.13,0.00,0.00,0.00,60.86,0.12,0.00,0.00,0.00,10.16,0.00
    Romania_Oase_UP_enhanced:Oase1_noUDG,9.87,3.96,3.24,7.11,11.11,16.11,19.98,5.82,2.88,6.10,5.76,8.05

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    ... MarcusNatureCommunications2020

    Genetic history from the Middle Neolithic to present on the Mediterranean island of Sardinia - ... from ReichLab DataSet:


    Code:
    Sardinia_BA_Nuragic:ORC001_Perdasdefogu_NUO,0,0,4.22,0,68.95,3.2,0,0,8.86,0.43,14.35,0
    Sardinia_BA_Nuragic:ORC003_Perdasdefogu_NUO,0,0,2.28,0.22,70.77,5.33,0,0.18,5.66,0,15.34,0.23
    Sardinia_BA_Nuragic:ORC004_Perdasdefogu_NUO,0,0,4.71,0,69.06,5.09,0,0,6.73,0,14.4,0
    Sardinia_BA_Nuragic:ORC005_Perdasdefogu_NUO,0,0,2.68,0,69.48,3.7,0,0.25,6.43,0,17.23,0.23
    Sardinia_BA_Nuragic:ORC006_Perdasdefogu_NUO,0,0,3.11,0.03,70.37,3.51,0,0,7.82,0,14.97,0.2
    Sardinia_BA_Nuragic:ORC007_Perdasdefogu_NUO,0,0,2.46,0,68.33,3.69,0,0,8.7,0.14,16.68,0
    Sardinia_BA_Nuragic:ORC008_Perdasdefogu_NUO,0,0,4.24,0,65.87,5.3,0,0,7.64,0.22,16.74,0
    Sardinia_BA_Nuragic:ORC009_Perdasdefogu_NUO,0,0,4.58,0,66.42,5.89,0.11,0,7.67,0,15.34,0
    Sardinia_BA_Nuragic:SUA001_Seuo_CA,0,0,2.23,0,62.27,4.8,0,0,14.39,0,16.31,0
    Sardinia_BA_Nuragic:SUA003_Seuo_CA,0,0,6.3,0,68.1,12.39,0,0,3.47,0,9.74,0
    Sardinia_BA_Nuragic:SUA006_Seuo_CA,0,0,1.46,0,74.77,7.55,0,0,5.49,0,10.34,0.38
    Sardinia_BA_Nuragic_o:MA110_noUDG_Donori_CA,0,0,4.79,0,67.29,6.4,0,0.33,7.84,0.33,12.71,0.31
    Sardinia_BA_Nuragic_o:MA112_noUDG_Cabras_OR_Is-Arutas,0,0,3.4,1.84,63.95,8.58,0,0,5.75,0,14.41,2.08
    Sardinia_BA_Nuragic_o:MA138_noUDG_Cabras_OR_Is-Arutas,0,0,2.44,0,59.46,7.35,4.86,0.06,10.91,0,12.27,2.64
    Sardinia_BA_Nuragic_o:MA82_noUDG_Seuo_CA,0,0,4.91,0,68.93,3.38,0,0,6.78,0.39,15.48,0.13
    Sardinia_BA_Nuragic_o:MA87_noUDG_Seuo_CA,0,1.42,6.24,0.54,59.19,13.03,0,0,15.76,0,3.81,0
    Sardinia_C:FIL004_Macomer_NUO_Fiigosa,0,0.84,2.55,0,69.41,4.13,0,0,8.26,0,14.81,0
    Sardinia_C:SID006_Ossi_SS_Sisteridozu,0,0,0.24,0,70.51,7.11,0,0,14.3,0,7.6,0.24
    Sardinia_C_o:MA89_noUDG_Carbonia_CI,0,0.11,4.21,1.04,68.65,3.74,0,0,8.76,0,12.26,1.24
    Sardinia_EBA:ISB001_Seuo_CA,0,0,3.78,0,67.62,5.85,0,0,7.07,0.13,15.56,0
    Sardinia_EBA:LON001_Seuo_CA_Grutta-I-de-ongu-Fresu,0,0,1.93,0.03,71,5.73,0,0,7.3,0,13.79,0.22
    Sardinia_EBA:PJU002_Seneghe_OR_Padru-Jossu,0,0,0,0,71.42,8.02,0,0,8.51,0,12.05,0
    Sardinia_EBA:S1249,0,0,0,0,66.35,9.49,0,0.68,9.27,0,14.20,0
    Sardinia_EBA:S1250,0,0,0,0,60.37,17.12,1.23,0,8.95,0,12.33,0
    Sardinia_EBA:S1252,0,0,6.67,0,71.65,7.26,0,0,6.91,0,7.48,0.03
    Sardinia_EBA:S1253,0,0,3.41,2.56,75.08,0,2.44,0,3.80,0,12.72,0
    Sardinia_EBA:SUA002_Seuo_CA,0,0,6.44,0.79,68.91,5.4,0,0.14,7.33,0,10.99,0
    Sardinia_EBA:SUA005_Seuo_CA,0,0,10.78,0,47.9,24.46,0,0,0,0,16.87,0
    Sardinia_EBA:SUA007_Seuo_CA,0,0,5.59,0,64.19,7.4,0,0,9.48,0,13.34,0
    Sardinia_EBA:SUC001_Porto-Torres_SAS_Su-Crucifissu-Mannu,0,0,2.5,0.33,67.24,9.3,0,0,9.24,0,11.39,0
    Sardinia_EBA:SUC003_Porto-Torres_SAS_Su-Crucifissu-Mannu,0,0,4.85,1.13,65.78,4.51,0,0,6.64,0,17.09,0
    Sardinia_EBA:SUC004_Porto-Torres_SAS_Su-Crucifissu-Mannu,0,0,4.52,0,66.87,5.61,0,0,7.48,0,15.27,0.25
    Sardinia_EBA:SUC005_Porto-Torres_SAS_Su-Crucifissu-Mannu,0,0,3.4,0,65.81,9.9,0,0,6.39,0,14.33,0.15
    Sardinia_EBA:SUC006_Porto-Torres_SAS_Su-Crucifissu-Mannu,0,0,4.09,0,65.95,3.01,0,0,8.98,0,17.97,0
    Sardinia_EBA:SUC007_Porto-Torres_SAS_Su-Crucifissu-Mannu,0,0,5.08,0,66.92,14.26,0,0,5.93,0.38,7.42,0
    Sardinia_EBA:SUC009_Porto-Torres_SAS_Su-Crucifissu-Mannu_t.22,0,0,3.72,0,66.62,4.3,0,0,10.57,0,14.61,0.17
    Sardinia_EBA_Nuragic:ISC001_Usini_SS,0,0,2.5,0,67.61,6.78,0,0,9.82,0,13.07,0.22
    Sardinia_EBA_Nuragic:SUC002_Porto-Torres_SAS_Su-Crucifissu-Mannu,0,0,4.47,0,70.56,2.7,0,0,6.93,0,15.23,0.1
    Sardinia_EBA_o:MA78_noUDG_Seuo_CA,0,0,1.9,0,63.55,4.97,0,0,8.22,0,17.42,3.95
    Sardinia_EBA_o:MA85_noUDG_Seuo_CA_Su-Stampu-Erdi,0,0,9.89,0.44,72.46,3.72,0.5,0,1.8,0,10.22,0.97
    Sardinia_EBA_o:MA88_noUDG_Seuo_CA,0,0,6.26,0,63.9,11.01,0.28,0.52,5.21,0,12.82,0
    Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_o:COR001_Bonnanaro_SAS,0,0,3.43,0.29,58.21,7.57,1.04,0,10.92,0,18.32,0.23
    Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_o:COR002_Bonnanaro_SAS,0,0,3.42,0.84,57.2,8.1,0,0.21,10.45,0,19.78,0
    Sardinia_IA_Punic_1:VIL006_VS_Viamar,0,0,15.98,0.39,37.13,7.4,0,2.32,13.85,0,20.41,2.52
    Sardinia_IA_Punic_1:VIL007_VS_Viamar,0,0,13.24,1.59,33.45,7.65,0,1.92,15.46,0,25.43,1.27
    Sardinia_IA_Punic_1:VIL009_VS_Viamar,0,0,12.38,0,36.59,5.85,0,2.46,14.93,0,25.65,2.14
    Sardinia_IA_Punic_1:VIL010_VS_Viamar,0.07,0,14.47,0.85,35.6,4.16,0,5.54,18.24,0,21.07,0
    Sardinia_IA_Punic_1:VIL011_VS_Viamar,0,0.85,23.66,0,33.77,3.16,0.32,3.31,16.67,0,16.26,2
    Sardinia_IA_Punic_2:MSR002_Carbonia_CI_Monte-Sirai,2.66,0.21,4.77,0,34.3,10.32,0,0.15,16.89,1.21,29.49,0
    Sardinia_IA_Punic_2:MSR003_Carbonia_CI_Monte-Sirai,4.09,0,2.87,0.16,41.21,12.7,0,0.11,11.45,1.77,25.64,0
    Sardinia_IA_Punic_2:ORC002_Perdasdefogu_NUO,0,0,3.88,0,63.48,5.44,0,0,4.54,0,22.55,0.1
    Sardinia_IA_Punic_2:VIL004_VS_Viamar,0,0,2.44,0,37.52,13.15,0,0,20.33,0,26.4,0.16
    Sardinia_LateC:SEC001_Sennori_SS_Serra-Crabies,0,0,4.68,0,69.07,5.47,0,0,8.41,0,12.37,0
    Sardinia_LateC:SEC002_Sennori_SS_Serra-Crabies,0,0,2.17,0,68.59,4.96,0,0,7.18,0,17.1,0
    Sardinia_LateC:SEC004_Sennori_SS_Serra-Crabies,0,0,4.6,0,68.65,3.42,0,0.4,6.64,0,16.3,0
    Sardinia_LateC:SEC005_Sennori_SS_Serra-Crabies,0,0,3.9,0,70.43,3.21,0,0.26,5.16,0,17.05,0
    Sardinia_LateC:SEC006_Sennori_SS_Serra-Crabies,0,0,4.87,0,69.07,5.99,0,0.03,5.37,0,14.66,0
    Sardinia_Medieval:SNN001_Sassari_SAS_San-Nicoa-Necropoi-Esterna,0,0,1.44,0,58.69,24.94,2.49,0.91,0.22,0.7,9.99,0.63
    Sardinia_Medieval:SNN002_Sassari_SAS_San-Nicoa-Necropoi-Esterna,5.85,0,0.85,0,42.09,27.18,0,0,6.42,0,14.6,3.02
    Sardinia_Medieval:SNN003_Sassari_SAS_San-Nicoa-Necropoi-Esterna,1.81,0.09,4.02,0.47,44.96,13.58,0,0,8.1,0,26.09,0.88
    Sardinia_Medieval:SNN004_Sassari_SAS_San-Nicoa-Necropoi-Esterna,0,0,8.62,1,47.34,11.18,0,0,8.9,0,22.69,0.27
    Sardinia_N:LON003_Seuo_CA_Grutta-I-de-ongu-Fresu,0,0,5.64,0,66.54,5.58,0,0.12,9.17,0,12.77,0.19
    Sardinia_N:NOE001_Ossi_SS_Noeddae,0,0,4.18,0,70.83,10.37,0,0,0,0,14.63,0
    Sardinia_N:NOE002_Ossi_SS_Noeddae,0,0,6.32,0,68.96,13.11,0,0,5.4,0,6.21,0
    Sardinia_N:SID005_Ossi_SS_Sisteridozu,0,0,6.54,0,69.58,0,0,0,8.31,0,15.57,0
    Sardinia_N:SUC008_Porto-Torres_SAS_Su-Crucifissu-Mannu_t.22,0,0,4.05,0,67.45,5.62,0,0,6.58,0.24,16.06,0
    Sardinia_N_o:MA79_noUDG_Seuo_CA_Grutta-I-de-ongu-Fresu,0,1.01,4.82,0,64.31,4.65,0,0.78,10.43,0,13.34,0.66
    Sardinia_RomanEra:AMC005_Aghero_SS,3.39,0,1.16,0.74,47.1,13.9,1.02,0,9.14,1.09,21.86,0.61
    Sardinia_RomanEra:AMC014_Aghero_SS,0,0,8.62,0.19,47.68,5.07,0,0.91,10.64,0,26.88,0
    Sardinia_RomanEra_o:AMC001_Aghero_SS,3.24,0,8.44,0,31.67,1.47,0,2.44,18.14,0.78,33.83,0
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-14523-6

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    Thanks, Salento.

    I thought since it's closer in time and I often get one or two Corsican matches, it might be the same for them, but I don't get any good matches. Sardinians really are distinct.

    Distance to: Angela
    8.21967153 Sardinia_Medieval:SNN003_Sassari_SAS_San-Nicoa-Necropoi-Esterna
    8.99333086 Sardinia_IA_Punic_2:MSR003_Carbonia_CI_Monte-Sirai
    10.41779727 Sardinia_RomanEra:AMC005_Aghero_SS
    13.98642199 Sardinia_Medieval:SNN004_Sassari_SAS_San-Nicoa-Necropoi-Esterna
    15.07760923 Sardinia_Medieval:SNN002_Sassari_SAS_San-Nicoa-Necropoi-Esterna
    16.29654565 Sardinia_IA_Punic_2:MSR002_Carbonia_CI_Monte-Sirai
    16.88878326 Sardinia_IA_Punic_2:VIL004_VS_Viamar
    17.34411428 Sardinia_EBA:SUA005_Seuo_CA
    18.24114306 Sardinia_RomanEra:AMC014_Aghero_SS
    20.33272731 Sardinia_IA_Punic_1:VIL009_VS_Viamar
    20.75029879 Sardinia_IA_Punic_1:VIL007_VS_Viamar
    21.81511861 Sardinia_IA_Punic_1:VIL006_VS_Viamar
    22.08600009 Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_o:COR002_Bonnanaro_SAS
    23.65733079 Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_o:COR001_Bonnanaro_SAS
    25.18897775 Sardinia_EBA:S1250
    25.28733675 Sardinia_IA_Punic_1:VIL010_VS_Viamar
    25.43338554 Sardinia_RomanEra_o:AMC001_Aghero_SS
    26.29045644 Sardinia_Medieval:SNN001_Sassari_SAS_San-Nicoa-Necropoi-Esterna
    27.33683778 Sardinia_IA_Punic_2:ORC002_Perdasdefogu_NUO
    27.72911647 Sardinia_BA_Nuragic_o:MA138_noUDG_Cabras_OR_Is-Arutas
    28.83944694 Sardinia_BA_Nuragic_o:MA112_noUDG_Cabras_OR_Is-Arutas
    28.84468409 Sardinia_EBA_o:MA88_noUDG_Seuo_CA
    29.17894275 Sardinia_EBA_o:MA78_noUDG_Seuo_CA
    29.59497592 Sardinia_BA_Nuragic:SUA001_Seuo_CA
    29.84191348 Sardinia_EBA:SUC005_Porto-Torres_SAS_Su-Crucifissu-Mannu


    The Sardinia-Punic sample at about a distance of 9:

    Distance to: Sardinia_IA_Punic_2:MSR003_Carbonia_CI_Monte-Sirai
    6.38090715 France_Corsica
    11.05988201 Italy_Tuscany
    11.31507844 Italy_Romagna
    11.32951800 Italy_Marche
    11.91550330 Italy_Emilia
    12.01349017 Italy_Liguria
    12.77259856 Italy_Lazio
    14.02983241 Italy_Lombardy
    14.86311669 Italy_Abruzzo
    15.40050185 Italy_Piedmont
    15.52266491 Italy_Campania
    16.45393889 Italy_Sicily
    16.57064754 Italy_Veneto
    17.80234820 Italy_Calabria
    17.84043520 Italy_Apulia
    17.84118165 Swiss_Italian
    18.69732066 Baleares
    18.93600000 Italy_FriuliVG
    19.28029512 Italy_Trentino
    19.34233181 Albanian_Kosovo
    19.49158280 Greek
    19.70902839 Murcia
    20.14566951 Andalucia
    20.18413486 Albanian_North
    20.26770337 Ashkenazi

    Well, there you go, not Levantine like or North African like. The Corsicans to whom I get good matches might have some French admixture, given on Ancestry I come out as 85% Northern Italian and 15% Southern French, explaining the slight western pull in me.

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    Those Monte Sirai samples are so strange, why are they Central Italian like?

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    You’re welcome Angela :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pygmalion View Post
    Those Monte Sirai samples are so strange, why are they Central Italian like?
    @Pygmalion … imho the Monte Sirai distances are a bit too great to be considered as any Italian like, even if they share some of their ancestral components, the ratio is different.

    They get more or less similar results in another popular calculator, … not sure if they’re strange :)

    Distance to: Sardinia_IA_Punic_2:MSR003_Carbonia_CI_Monte-Sirai
    6.37800125 French_Corsica
    11.05761728 Italian_Tuscany
    11.31507844 Italian_Romagna
    11.32949708 Italian_Marche
    11.91790670 Italian_Emilia

    Distance to: Sardinia_IA_Punic_2:MSR002_Carbonia_CI_Monte-Sirai
    10.47994275 Italian_Campania
    10.79790257 Italian_Molise
    10.91696386 Italian_Jews
    10.96092149 Italian_Sicily
    11.03990942 Italian_Calabria

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @Pygmalion … imho the Monte Sirai distances are a bit too great to be considered as any Italian like, even if they share some of their ancestral components, the ratio is different.

    They get more or less similar results in another popular calculator, … not sure if they’re strange :)

    Distance to: Sardinia_IA_Punic_2:MSR003_Carbonia_CI_Monte-Sirai
    6.37800125 French_Corsica
    11.05761728 Italian_Tuscany
    11.31507844 Italian_Romagna
    11.32949708 Italian_Marche
    11.91790670 Italian_Emilia

    Distance to: Sardinia_IA_Punic_2:MSR002_Carbonia_CI_Monte-Sirai
    10.47994275 Italian_Campania
    10.79790257 Italian_Molise
    10.91696386 Italian_Jews
    10.96092149 Italian_Sicily
    11.03990942 Italian_Calabria

    Still, very strange results for samples coming from a Phoenician - Punic settlement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pygmalion View Post
    Still, very strange results for samples coming from a Phoenician - Punic settlement.
    They are not really central Italian-like but neither north African or Levantine. Difficult to tell who they were, but it is now increasingly clear that the Phoenicians/Punic people assimilated many foreigners.

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    A Female Viking Warrior Confirmed by Genomics

    Viking High-Ranking Shieldmaiden aka Viking Warrior Queen (PBS, NatGeo) - 950 AD - mtDNA T2b

    Code:
    Sweden_Viking:brk581_High_Ranking_Shieldmaiden,13.85,0,0,0,34.06,47.08,1.37,0,0,0,0,3.64
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28884802/

    https://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/vik...or-queen/5180/

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