aDNA (Dodecad K12b)

[Jovialis]

I decided to close the previous discussion, to start fresh with all of the aDNA samples re-processed with a uniform labeling.

Here are my results for the Dodecad K12b individual sample format I put together.

I would like this thread to be the new development area for expanding on Dodecad K12b samples. So we could have a universal labeling system. We have plenty of un-labeled samples that need to be done, some of them I need to prune out.

Here is a link to the file with the values for vahaduo.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/gba5f...30-21.txt/file


My top 100 closest samples:

Distance to:	Jovialis
3.25777531	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R54:Antonio_2019
3.28435686	C6-Civitanova_Marche_Imperial_Rome:R835:Antonio_2019
3.32683032	C6-Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_MA:R973:Antonio_2019
3.39439243	Crusader_Pit:SI53:Haber_2019
3.51115366	C6-S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_Late_Antiquity:R121:An tonio_2019
3.64458502	TAQ003:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
3.67854591	C6-Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_MA:R970:Antonio_2019
3.89204317	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R57:Antonio_2019
4.07025798	Collegno121:Amorim_2018
4.09070899	VEN006:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
4.15604379	VEN013:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
4.19606959	C6-Civitanova_Marche_Imperial_Rome:R836:Antonio_2019
4.29329710	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R60:Antonio_2019
4.37202470	C6-Centocelle_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R49:Antonio_20 19
4.44950559	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R1290:Antonio_2019
4.69323982	C6-Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_MA:R969:Antonio_2019
4.95721696	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R56:Antonio_2019
5.01646290	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R64:Antonio_2019
5.08536134	VEN001:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
5.39290274	VEN015:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
5.47493379	C5-S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_Late_Antiquity:R122:An tonio_2019
5.76386155	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R65:Antonio_2019
5.86133944	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R52:Antonio_2019
5.90817231	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R59:Antonio_2019
5.92265988	C6-S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_Late_Antiquity:R117:An tonio_2019
5.99387187	C6-Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R131:Antoni o_2019
6.16317288	VEN016:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
6.16940030	C6-Celio_Late_Antiquity:R35:Antonio_2019
6.20596487	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R58:Antonio_2019
6.45382057	C6-Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese_Imperial_Rome:R1544:Ant onio_2019
6.48596176	C6-Centocelle_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R47:Antonio_20 19
6.49152524	C6-Celio_Late_Antiquity:R36:Antonio_2019
6.62512641	C6-Crypta_Balbi_Late_Antiquity:R107:Antonio_2019
6.66802819	C6-S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_Late_Antiquity:R118:An tonio_2019
6.67812099	C6-Monterotondo_Imperial_Rome:R1549:Antonio_2019
6.78350942	TAQ011:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
6.90675032	Szolad40:Amorim_2018
6.96423004	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R53:Antonio_2019
6.96825660	C6-Palestrina_Imperial_Rome:R436:Antonio_2019
7.02145284	C6-Marcellino_&_Pietro_Imperial_Rome:R136:Antonio_201 9
7.04449430	ETR013:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
7.08010593	TAQ009:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
7.10228836	ETR003:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
7.11866561	C6-S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_Late_Antiquity:R120:An tonio_2019
7.16643566	C6-Cancelleria_MA:R1283:Antonio_2019
7.20007639	C6-Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R113:Antoni o_2019
7.21878106	Scythian:scy192:Krzewinska_2018_(Oct)
7.24289997	TAQ020:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
7.74268687	VEN005:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
7.76465067	Collegno110:Amorim_2018
7.86690536	Szolad36:Amorim_2018
7.99968749	Prenestini_o_IA:R437:Antonio_2019
8.08818892	C5-Mausole_di_Augusto_Late_Antiquity:R32:Antonio_2019
8.41327522	POP001:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
8.57403639	TAQ022:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
8.57445625	Szolad31:Amorim_2018
8.58829436	Szolad37:Amorim_2018
8.62318387	ETR014:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
9.17616478	SE_Iberia_c3-4CE:I4054:Olalde_2019
9.25591703	C6-Cancelleria_MA:R1287:Antonio_2019
9.26545736	Scythian:scy300:Krzewinska_2018_(Oct)
9.44833848	TAQ021:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
9.48255767	ETR010:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
9.76431769	ETR007:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
9.92680714	VEN009:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
9.98820805	Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021
10.01973553	Scythian:scy197:Krzewinska_2018_(Oct)
10.04546664	Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R111:Antoni o_2019
10.13525037	C6-Marcellino_&_Pietro_Imperial_Rome:R137:Antonio_201 9
10.17862957	C6-Cancelleria_MA:R1285:Antonio_2019
10.25805537	C5-Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R114:Antoni o_2019
10.36280367	Alteglofsheim_(ADH)_480-510AD_Female:AEHIb:Veeramah_2018
10.45288955	C5-Mausole_di_Augusto_Late_Antiquity:R30:Antonio_2019
10.55296641	Collegno36:Amorim_2018
10.70497081	MOK17A:Zegarac_2021
10.71053220	C5-Centocelle_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R50:Antonio_20 19
10.78399740	Straubing_Bajuwarenstraße-Female:STR502b:Veeramah_2018
10.82643524	Szolad19:Amorim_2018
10.91089364	C6-Casale_del_Dolce_Imperial_Rome:R125:Antonio_2019
10.97415600	Collegno25:Amorim_2018
11.06943991	VEN012:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
11.16845110	VEN017:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
11.18770754	Scythian:scy305:Krzewinska_2018_(Oct)
11.27961879	Szolad43:Amorim_2018
11.29783165	C6-Centocelle_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R51:Antonio_20 19
11.46507305	Thraco-Cimmerian:MJ-12:Jarve_2019
11.53736972	Balkan_(Bulgaria)_IA:I5769:Mathieson_2018
11.59736177	I5015:Olalde_2018
11.79189552	Vucedol:I3499:Mathieson_2018
12.00925060	Alamannic-Frankish-Female:STR300b:Veeramah_2018
12.35336796	MAS003:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
12.47064954	C5-ANAS_Imperial_Rome:R69:Antonio_2019
12.59064335	C5-Monterotondo_Imperial_Rome:R1548:Antonio_2019
12.60345588	Sardinia_Late_Antiquity_Grotta_Colombi:I12220:Fern andes_2020
13.34197886	Collegno38:Amorim_2018
13.35992515	ETR006:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
13.55969395	Szolad1:Amorim_2018
13.61742266	C5-Marcellino_&_Pietro_Imperial_Rome:R133:Antonio_201 9
13.83752868	Mycenaean:I9041:Lazaridis_2017
13.85157753	C5-Isola_Sacra_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R39:Antonio_2 019

[Stuvanè]

Mine :)

Distance to:	Dodecadk12bStuvanè
3.43011662	Szolad31:Amorim_2018
3.44400929	Szolad36:Amorim_2018
3.71212877	Collegno36:Amorim_2018
4.12127407	ETR007:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
4.21513938	Szolad43:Amorim_2018
4.68264882	Vucedol:I3499:Mathieson_2018
4.68931765	Protovillanovan_IA:R1:Antonio_2019
4.83184230	Scythian:scy300:Krzewinska_2018_(Oct)
5.25950568	C7-Mausole_di_Augusto_Late_Antiquity:R33:Antonio_2019
5.55229682	Scythian:scy192:Krzewinska_2018_(Oct)
5.57919349	Szolad37:Amorim_2018
5.70363919	Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021
5.87326144	Collegno23:Amorim_2018
5.96436920	TAQ009:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
6.09997541	C6-Celio_Late_Antiquity:R36:Antonio_2019
6.18798836	POP001:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
6.25171976	C7-Villa_Magna_MA:R55:Antonio_2019
6.31981012	TAQ011:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
6.43351381	Croatia_EMBA:I4332:Mathieson_2018
6.68472139	TAQ022:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
6.83624166	Hungary_BA:I7041:Olalde_2018
6.89893470	Hungary_BA:I7043:Olalde_2018
7.05863301	Croatia_EMBA:I4331:Mathieson_2018
7.07541518	Scythian:scy197:Krzewinska_2018_(Oct)
7.10973980	MOK17A:Zegarac_2021
7.13288862	MOK31:Zegarac_2021
7.29406608	C6-S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_Late_Antiquity:R120:An tonio_2019
7.43797688	Szolad28:Amorim_2018
7.45917556	Burgweinting–Nord-West_II_(ADH)_388-532calADA_Female:NW54:Veeramah_2018
7.52278539	Thraco-Cimmerian:MJ-12:Jarve_2019
7.64956208	I5015:Olalde_2018
7.80932776	TAQ020:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
7.97270970	Szolad1:Amorim_2018
8.02461214	Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R111:Antoni o_2019
8.03052925	Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021
8.33039615	ETR003:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
8.36071767	C6-Cancelleria_MA:R1283:Antonio_2019
8.40716956	Croatia_LBA:I3313:Mathieson_2018
8.52155502	I3593:Olalde_2018
8.62461593	C6-Cancelleria_MA:R1287:Antonio_2019
8.85048021	La_Tène_IA:ERS88:Brunel_2020
9.04734768	C6-Cancelleria_MA:R1285:Antonio_2019
9.15007104	SE_Iberia_c3-4CE:I4054:Olalde_2019
9.15716659	ETR010:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
9.18148681	C6-Monterotondo_Imperial_Rome:R1549:Antonio_2019
9.18804658	C6-S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_Late_Antiquity:R121:An tonio_2019
9.21490640	C6-Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_MA:R969:Antonio_2019
9.34752374	MOK13:Zegarac_2021
9.37029882	I8475:Olalde_2019
9.65467762	Etruscan_IA:R474:Antonio_2019

Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè Distance: 0.7728% / 0.77281689 | ADC: 0.5x RC
49.0	Szolad36
28.2	C7-Mausole_di_Augusto_Late_Antiquity
13.5	ETR007
9.3	C7-Villa_Magna_MA

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Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè Distance: 0.3838% / 0.38382846 | ADC: 0.25x RC
68.3	Szolad36
15.1	MOK27
10.4	C7-Villa_Magna_MA
3.2	Protovillanovan_IA
3.0	ETR007

[Jovialis]

The aDNA (Dodecad K12b) oracle is now available in the latest admixture studio suite.

[Duarte]

Thanks Jovialis:

Distance to:	Duarte
6.29654667	I10892:Olalde_2019
6.83142738	NE_Iberia_c8-12CE:I10895:Olalde_2019
7.15328596	SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3585:Olalde_2019
7.40270896	I12516:Olalde_2019
7.51741312	SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I12514:Olalde_2019
7.79453013	C7-Villa_Magna_MA:R63:Antonio_2019
7.96743999	SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
7.98827891	I10852:Olalde_2019
8.29628230	SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I12649:Olalde_2019
8.57093927	Crusader_Pit:SI40:Haber_2019
8.65500433	I3982:Olalde_2019
8.79383307	NE_Iberia_c6-8CE_ES:I7675:Olalde_2019
8.85043502	NE_Iberia_c8-12CE:I10853:Olalde_2019
8.94111291	I1313:Olalde_2019
8.99556557	C7-Crypta_Balbi_Late_Antiquity:R110:Antonio_2019
9.25598725	TAQ001:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
9.29074809	C7-Cancelleria_MA:R1289:Antonio_2019
9.38223321	Beaker_Central_Europe:I6534:Olalde_2018
9.53438514	Balkans_N:I2215:Mathieson_2018
9.54338514	I7673:Olalde_2019
9.70848598	SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I7457:Olalde_2019
9.75401456	C7-Crypta_Balbi_Late_Antiquity:R109:Antonio_2019
9.77754570	SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I12515:Olalde_2019
9.93724811	Prenestini_IA:R435:Antonio_2019
10.02437529	France_LBA:NIED:Brunel_2020

Target: Duarte Distance: 0.0623% / 0.06234517 | R7P
31.8	SE_Iberia_c10-16CE
24.8	Beaker_Central_Europe
13.9	I7425
13.5	I8146
7.8	ZVEJ31
4.7	ATP20
3.5	Bulgaria_EBA

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Target: Duarte Distance: 0.0997% / 0.09973979 | R6P
51.5	SE_Iberia_c10-16CE
17.6	I8146
14.3	I7425
10.3	Unetice
6.3	ZVEJ31

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Target: Duarte Distance: 0.0935% / 0.09346508 | R5P
47.4	Beaker_Central_Europe
24.1	utigGLR003B1
19.9	I8146
8.6	ZVEJ31

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Target: Duarte Distance: 0.1273% / 0.12730154 | R4P
46.7	SE_Iberia_c10-16CE
24.5	I7425
19.7	Beaker_Central_Europe
9.1	Iron_Gates_HG

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Target: Duarte Distance: 0.2895% / 0.28954755 | R3P
80.0	SE_Iberia_c10-16CE
11.5	Beaker_Central_Europe
8.5	ZVEJ31

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Target: Duarte Distance: 1.0268% / 1.02680963 | R2P
87.8	SE_Iberia_c10-16CE
12.2	ZVEJ31

[Palermo Trapani]

Jovialis: Thanks for your work. My top 100 distances (I used gradient of 100 for clearer presentation).

Distance to:	PalermoTrapani_Combined
2.38784422	VEN015:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
2.62716577	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R56:Antonio_2019
3.32924916	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R52:Antonio_2019
3.62603089	C5-S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_Late_Antiquity:R122:An tonio_2019
3.69010840	C6-Celio_Late_Antiquity:R35:Antonio_2019
3.93635618	C6-Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R131:Antoni o_2019
4.04278369	VEN013:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
4.05677212	C6-Civitanova_Marche_Imperial_Rome:R835:Antonio_2019
4.15007229	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R65:Antonio_2019
4.24855269	VEN005:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
4.45331337	C6-Centocelle_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R49:Antonio_20 19
4.47671755	Szolad40:Amorim_2018
4.52726187	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R1290:Antonio_2019
4.61280826	TAQ003:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
4.63776886	C6-S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_Late_Antiquity:R117:An tonio_2019
4.75106304	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R57:Antonio_2019
4.75644825	C6-Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_MA:R973:Antonio_2019
4.81801826	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R54:Antonio_2019
5.00765414	C6-Civitanova_Marche_Imperial_Rome:R836:Antonio_2019
5.04013889	Collegno121:Amorim_2018
5.06459278	C6-Centocelle_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R47:Antonio_20 19
5.10433149	Prenestini_o_IA:R437:Antonio_2019
5.20676483	C6-S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_Late_Antiquity:R121:An tonio_2019
5.36587365	C6-S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_Late_Antiquity:R118:An tonio_2019
5.48053829	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R64:Antonio_2019
5.69498903	C6-Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_MA:R969:Antonio_2019
5.70232409	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R59:Antonio_2019
5.75256465	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R58:Antonio_2019
6.00515612	C6-Crypta_Balbi_Late_Antiquity:R107:Antonio_2019
6.12952690	TAQ021:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
6.18293620	VEN001:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
6.18618622	VEN006:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
6.22772029	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R53:Antonio_2019
6.31031695	C6-Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R113:Antoni o_2019
6.32858594	C6-Marcellino_&_Pietro_Imperial_Rome:R136:Antonio_201 9
6.44542473	ETR013:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
6.46209718	VEN016:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
6.47404047	C6-Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese_Imperial_Rome:R1544:Ant onio_2019
6.75775111	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R60:Antonio_2019
6.90534576	C6-Palestrina_Imperial_Rome:R436:Antonio_2019
7.16792857	C6-Cancelleria_MA:R1283:Antonio_2019
7.19765240	C6-S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_Late_Antiquity:R120:An tonio_2019
7.28809303	ETR014:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
7.51646859	Crusader_Pit:SI53:Haber_2019
7.74022609	C6-Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_MA:R970:Antonio_2019
8.15834542	TAQ011:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
8.19715804	C5-Mausole_di_Augusto_Late_Antiquity:R32:Antonio_2019
8.25432614	Sardinia_Late_Antiquity_Grotta_Colombi:I12220:Fern andes_2020
8.26566997	C6-Marcellino_&_Pietro_Imperial_Rome:R137:Antonio_201 9
8.27431568	C5-Mausole_di_Augusto_Late_Antiquity:R30:Antonio_2019
8.33628814	C6-Celio_Late_Antiquity:R36:Antonio_2019
8.49709951	TAQ009:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
9.00604797	C5-Centocelle_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R50:Antonio_20 19
9.12014254	C6-Cancelleria_MA:R1287:Antonio_2019
9.12294360	Collegno25:Amorim_2018
9.17092689	MAS003:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
9.23174415	ETR003:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
9.28861669	Collegno110:Amorim_2018
9.35309040	ETR010:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
9.41303883	C6-Monterotondo_Imperial_Rome:R1549:Antonio_2019
9.43180789	Straubing_Bajuwarenstraße-Female:STR502b:Veeramah_2018
9.52039915	TAQ020:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
9.64593697	C5-Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R114:Antoni o_2019
9.66414507	Szolad19:Amorim_2018
9.68985036	Scythian:scy192:Krzewinska_2018_(Oct)
9.69902057	SE_Iberia_c3-4CE:I4054:Olalde_2019
9.73570747	TAQ007:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
9.77836898	Balkan_(Bulgaria)_IA:I5769:Mathieson_2018
9.78230034	C6-Centocelle_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R51:Antonio_20 19
9.79699954	C6-Casale_del_Dolce_Imperial_Rome:R125:Antonio_2019
9.87760092	POP001:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
9.96464249	C6-Cancelleria_MA:R1285:Antonio_2019
10.24454001	Szolad36:Amorim_2018
10.34220479	C5-Isola_Sacra_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R45:Antonio_2 019
10.37951829	Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R111:Antoni o_2019
10.49192547	VEN017:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
10.62509765	VEN009:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
10.67940541	TAQ022:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
10.70107004	Scythian:scy300:Krzewinska_2018_(Oct)
10.73998603	VEN012:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
10.99398472	I8215:Olalde_2019
11.02007260	Mycenaean:I9041:Lazaridis_2017
11.34149461	Szolad31:Amorim_2018
11.39613970	C5-Marcellino_&_Pietro_Imperial_Rome:R133:Antonio_201 9
11.44593378	MOK17A:Zegarac_2021
11.58488671	ETR006:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
11.60487398	Alamannic-Frankish-Female:STR300b:Veeramah_2018
11.75412268	Collegno38:Amorim_2018
11.88780888	Collegno30:Amorim_2018
11.89334268	C5-Isola_Sacra_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R39:Antonio_2 019
11.89848310	C5-Mausole_di_Augusto_Late_Antiquity:R34:Antonio_2019
12.08574367	Szolad37:Amorim_2018
12.10581265	C5-Monterotondo_Imperial_Rome:R1548:Antonio_2019
12.14339327	C3-Viale_Rossini_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R80:Antonio _2019
12.39056496	C5-ANAS_Imperial_Rome:R69:Antonio_2019
12.44673049	VET008:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
12.47428956	Alteglofsheim_(ADH)_480-510AD_Female:AEHIb:Veeramah_2018
12.54885254	Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021
12.58129961	C5-Viale_Rossini_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R81:Antonio _2019
12.61072163	Scythian:scy197:Krzewinska_2018_(Oct)

Target: PalermoTrapani_Combined Distance: 0.4683% / 0.46825756 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.9	VEN015
32.0	C6-Villa_Magna_MA
14.0	VEN005
6.2	Armenoi_Crete
2.6	Bon005
0.3	C6-S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_Late_Antiquity

[Salento]

Antonio_2019 listed the "o" ...

Latini_o:R850:Antonio_2019 should be Latini_IA:R850:Antonio_2019 ... imho

[Jovialis]

Antonio_2019 listed the "o" ...
Latini_o:R850:Antonio_2019 should be Latini_IA:R850:Antonio_2019 ... imho

I wanted the labeling to strictly rely on information given by the studies.
Nevertheless, I speculate the more they explore samples in Italy, particularly the South Italian IA, they will find R437's was more common in certain places. I am going to post about this later, but catacomb culture, Balkans_IA, Bronze Hungary, Minoans, and C7 IA samples that compose Roman Republicans, make for a good fit for Italians north and south, at different percentages. R437, and a majority of C6 samples, as well as myself show a particularly affinity to Catacomb culture 20-25% + Minoans 50-60%, with random percentages of the other components. Catacomb Culture actually peaks in Apulia around 25%, with a large percentage being Minoan. I have mentioned in another thread that there are strong cultural similarities with Italic, Celtic, Iranic, Greek and Scythian culture.

[Salento]

I wanted the labeling to strictly rely on information given by the studies.
Nevertheless, I speculate the more they explore samples in Italy, particularly the South Italian IA, they will find R437's was more common in certain places. I am going to post about this later, but catacomb culture, Balkans_IA, Bronze Hungary, Minoans, and C7 IA samples that compose Roman Republicans, make for a good fit for Italians north and south, at different percentages. R437, and a majority of C6 samples, as well as myself show a particularly affinity to Catacomb culture 20-25% + Minoans 50-60%, with random percentages of the other components. Catacomb Culture actually peaks in Apulia around 25%, with a large percentage being Minoan. I have mentioned in another thread that there are strong cultural similarities with Italic, Celtic, Iranic, Greek and Scythian culture.

I see, … though Antonio labels as “o” one Iron-Age Etruscan, … she would have done the same thing if she thought that R850 and R437 deserve “o” status. I think :)

[Jovialis]

Here are the coordinates I am using in the Multi Tab for comparison.

Roman_Republic_IA_(n=5),2.768,0.352,1.08,0.216,46.596,23.37,0.24,0.13,3.82,0.022,20.916,0.498
Minoan_BA_(n=11),1.470909091,0.219090909,2.566363636,0.116363636,39.59181818,0.055454545,0.012727273,0.158181818,14.39,0.136363636,41.06272727,0.221818182
Mycenaean_BA_(n=4),2.02,0.3325,2.42,0.2875,37.715,7.3875,0.695,0.1625,10.025,0.2675,37.7425,0.9425
Balkans_IA,2.57,0,2.28,0,37.94,13.19,0,0,9.59,0.01,34.31,0.12
Catacomb_Culture_BA_(n=5),27.94,2.852,0,0.196,3.526,56.796,1.132,0,0,0,6.156,1.396
Hungarian_BA_(n=2),0.545,0,0.19,0,40.905,48.18,0,0,1.87,0,8.135,0.18

[Jovialis]

[Jovialis]

The PCA contains C6 samples that have a fit of at least less than 5.00 or better, with who are around 60-70% Minoan, around 20-30% Catacomb Culture.

I find it compelling that given the archeological information, and the goodness of fit with these components. I wonder if this could be roughly represent the ethnogenesis of Southern Italian IA people.






Catacomb peaks in the southeast, while Hungarian BA peaks in the northeast:

[torzio]

The PCA contains C6 samples that have a fit of at least less than 5.00 or better, with who are around 60-70% Minoan, around 20-30% Catacomb Culture.

I find it compelling that given the archeological information, and the goodness of fit with these components. I wonder if this could be roughly represent the ethnogenesis of Southern Italian IA people.






Catacomb peaks in the southeast, while Hungarian BA peaks in the northeast:

this 38.9 balkan for Veneto looks like it confirms the Histrian ownership of anicent Veneto-Friuli lands from Oderzo ( veneto ) to Istria

[Jovialis]

Here is a 3D perspective from the side, of this cluster.

[Salento]

… these Taq - Etr - Ven are probably much younger than what MTA says, … doubt they date back to BC and the Iron Age.

[Jovialis]

Honestly, I don't know how they could give any label to the samples with any degree of confidence. Unless they somehow were able to get insider information.

[Palermo Trapani]

post deleted, correct model is in post 17 below. Sorry about that

[Palermo Trapani]

Using 0.25*RC option, get model admixture with must Mycenaean and Hungarian BA.

nce | ADC: 0.25x RC		Balkans_IA	Catacomb_Culture_BA_(n=5)	Hungarian_BA_(n=2)	Minoan_BA_(n=11)	Mycenaean_BA_(n=4)	Roman_Republic_IA_(n=5)
PalermoTrapani_Combined	3.31938313	•	0.0	24.0	0.0	76.0	0.0	0.0
Average	3.31938313	•	0.0	24.0	0.0	76.0	0.0	0.0

Hmm, I am actually getting Catacomb and Minoan but when I copy it here it is putting things in wrong place maybe should just snip and paste in imgur.

[Palermo Trapani]

Scrap my previous post 15 and 16, this is the correct one. Seems when I copied and pasted directly from vahauo for this multi calculator, it put % in wrong columns. The Imgur link below is my correct model. Anyone else have problems with that? So as an heads up might want to make sure if you copy directly from vahaduo, it puts the % from a source population in correct column with correct Source Population. My post 16 was copied and it was incorrect.

[Salento]

... out of curiosity, ... adding the Foggia Vikings on SOURCE:

VK534_Dod_K12b,4.06,0.00,3.55,0.35,22.53,17.31,0.00,0.85,12.20,1.21,36.33,1.61
VK535_Dod_K12b,8.59,0.00,5.60,1.09,27.21,14.69,0.00,0.80,12.43,0.00,28.19,1.39
VK536_Dod_K12b,5.89,1.85,3.79,0.00,32.54,15.84,0.00,0.00,8.95,0.00,29.54,1.61
VK537_Dod_K12b,5.21,0.93,4.78,0.00,26.19,16.86,0.95,0.70,11.33,0.35,31.41,1.30
VK538_Dod_K12b,5.67,0.03,1.37,1.02,31.40,31.69,0.00,0.00,7.51,0.17,19.83,1.30

[Duarte]

... out of curiosity, ... adding the Foggia Vikings on SOURCE:

VK534_Dod_K12b,4.06,0.00,3.55,0.35,22.53,17.31,0.00,0.85,12.20,1.21,36.33,1.61
VK535_Dod_K12b,8.59,0.00,5.60,1.09,27.21,14.69,0.00,0.80,12.43,0.00,28.19,1.39
VK536_Dod_K12b,5.89,1.85,3.79,0.00,32.54,15.84,0.00,0.00,8.95,0.00,29.54,1.61
VK537_Dod_K12b,5.21,0.93,4.78,0.00,26.19,16.86,0.95,0.70,11.33,0.35,31.41,1.30
VK538_Dod_K12b,5.67,0.03,1.37,1.02,31.40,31.69,0.00,0.00,7.51,0.17,19.83,1.30

Dodecad K12b (Jovialis) + Salento’s BR003 X MTA (125 samples)

Distance to:	Duarte
6.29654667	I10892:Olalde_2019
6.83142738	NE_Iberia_c8-12CE:I10895:Olalde_2019
7.15328596	SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3585:Olalde_2019
7.40270896	I12516:Olalde_2019
7.51741312	SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I12514:Olalde_2019
7.79453013	C7-Villa_Magna_MA:R63:Antonio_2019
7.96743999	SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3981:Olalde_2019
7.98827891	I10852:Olalde_2019
8.29628230	SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I12649:Olalde_2019
8.57093927	Crusader_Pit:SI40:Haber_2019
8.65500433	I3982:Olalde_2019
8.79383307	NE_Iberia_c6-8CE_ES:I7675:Olalde_2019
8.85043502	NE_Iberia_c8-12CE:I10853:Olalde_2019
8.94111291	I1313:Olalde_2019
8.99556557	C7-Crypta_Balbi_Late_Antiquity:R110:Antonio_2019
9.25598725	TAQ001:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
9.29074809	C7-Cancelleria_MA:R1289:Antonio_2019
9.38223321	Beaker_Central_Europe:I6534:Olalde_2018
9.53438514	Balkans_N:I2215:Mathieson_2018
9.54338514	I7673:Olalde_2019
9.70848598	SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I7457:Olalde_2019
9.75401456	C7-Crypta_Balbi_Late_Antiquity:R109:Antonio_2019
9.77754570	SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I12515:Olalde_2019
9.78898360	Salento’s_BRC003_Dodecad_K12b
9.93724811	Prenestini_IA:R435:Antonio_2019
10.02437529	France_LBA:NIED:Brunel_2020
10.02652482	Beaker_Central_Europe:I6581:Olalde_2018
10.08496406	Etruscan_IA:R474:Antonio_2019
10.09213060	I10866:Olalde_2019
10.11679297	utigGCP002A1:Saupe_2021
10.16175674	SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3584:Olalde_2019
10.20708088	TAQ016:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
10.26428760	SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I7498:Olalde_2019
10.27705211	SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I3809:Olalde_2019
10.28605367	C7-Crypta_Balbi_Late_Antiquity:R105:Antonio_2019
10.32874145	Collegno94:Amorim_2018
10.35823827	CSN012:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
10.40551777	CSN010:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
10.46131923	Sardinia_Early_Medieval_Grotta_Colombi:I12221:Fern andes_2020
10.54973459	utigGCP003A1:Saupe_2021
10.80122678	NE_Iberia_Late_RomP:I8343:Olalde_2019
10.82643524	CSN013:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
10.86018876	C7-Cancelleria_MA:R1221:Antonio_2019
10.87721012	utigBRC002:Saupe_2021
10.97969490	TAQ015:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
11.01859338	TAQ013:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
11.02664954	I3574:Olalde_2019
11.02714832	Beaker_Northern_Italy:I2478:Olalde_2018
11.06370191	CSN006:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
11.06429392	SE_Iberia_BA:I8571:Olalde_2019
11.12235587	CSN008:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
11.12975292	I12647:Olalde_2019
11.17486018	I10897:Olalde_2019
11.19851329	TAQ024:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
11.23924375	CSN005:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
11.25954262	Crusader_Pit:SI41:Haber_2019
11.27079412	I3594:Olalde_2018
11.31809171	I10851:Olalde_2019
11.39219031	I7040:Olalde_2018
11.41465286	MOK26A:Zegarac_2021
11.47675912	SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3579:Olalde_2019
11.48003484	PRZ002:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
11.49482927	Wartau_(CH):SX18:Furtwängler_2020
11.50595498	TAQ004:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
11.53930674	CAM001:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
11.56358508	I5759:Olalde_2018
11.62877896	utigBRC007_019:Saupe_2021
11.64089773	VET001:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
11.64606801	I7045:Olalde_2018
11.66283842	TAQ008:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
11.70276036	I3577:Olalde_2019
11.76165805	I5524:Olalde_2018
11.78714554	I0462:Olalde_2018
11.81583260	CSN001:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
11.83354131	CSN003:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
11.85137967	NE_Iberia_RomP_out:I10865:Olalde_2019
11.85893334	MOK29A:Zegarac_2021
11.86776306	Beaker_Central_Europe:I7044:Olalde_2018
11.87767233	TAQ017:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
11.93160090	TAQ019:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
11.94945605	C7-Cancelleria_MA:R1224:Antonio_2019
11.96303055	I8203:Olalde_2019
11.96999165	Oberbipp_Horgen_(CH):MX299:Furtwängler_2020
12.00252473	I8475:Olalde_2019
12.00538629	VET010:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
12.04995436	NE_Iberia_Greek_(Empúries1):I8209:Olalde_2019
12.08740253	VET003_4:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
12.08808091	CAM003:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
12.09549916	Beaker_Central_Europe:I5022:Olalde_2018
12.10366473	VOL001:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
12.13397297	TAQ005:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
12.16335069	Hungary_BA:I7041:Olalde_2018
12.25206513	ETR005:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
12.25319550	utigBRC010_018:Saupe_2021
12.30531999	Collegno23:Amorim_2018
12.33097320	Singen_(D):MX277:Furtwängler_2020
12.34921050	Bulgaria_BA:I2520:Mathieson_2018
12.39861686	SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3582:Olalde_2019
12.41769302	Villanovan_IA:R1015:Antonio_2019
12.46880107	I3239:Olalde_2019
12.47746769	Hallstatt_C-Early_La_Tène_IA:NOR3-15:Brunel_2020
12.51164258	bns023-b1e1l1:Krzewinska_2018_(Sept)
12.53403367	E_Iberia_IA:I3320:Olalde_2019
12.53497507	SE_Iberia_c5-8CE:I3575:Olalde_2019
12.60507041	PRZ001:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
12.62638111	I12034:Olalde_2019
12.63142114	Beaker_Iberia:I6539:Olalde_2018
12.64792868	I1977:Olalde_2019
12.65163626	Sicily_EBA_Isnello:I8561:Fernandes_2020
12.65798562	Etruscan_IA:R473:Antonio_2019
12.68581885	NE_Iberia_c6-8CE_ES:I3775:Olalde_2019
12.70182270	I7425:Olalde_2019
12.71337878	Balkans_N:I1113:Mathieson_2018
12.73058129	I3590:Olalde_2018
12.80622895	Salzmuende_MN:I0802:Lipson_2017
12.82519785	SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I12644:Olalde_2019
12.85167693	I7676:Olalde_2019
12.87704159	Hallstatt_C-Early_La_Tène_IA:NOR4:Brunel_2020
12.89681356	Burgweinting–Nord-West_II_(ADH)_388-532calADA_Female:NW54:Veeramah_2018
12.89724389	TAQ002:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
12.92599706	Beaker_Central_Europe:I2364:Olalde_2018
12.93228131	NE_Iberia_c6CE_PL:I12033:Olalde_2019
12.93309321	I5520:Olalde_2018
12.94545480	por003:Valdiosera_2018
12.95701740	I3581:Olalde_2019

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Distance to:

	Duarte
16.97283712	VK538_Dod_K12b
21.71103867	VK536_Dod_K12b
24.99635573	VK535_Dod_K12b
26.67684014	VK537_Dod_K12b
32.55454961	VK534_Dod_K12b

[Palermo Trapani]

Salento: Top 30 which gets me VK535 and VK536 at position #26 and #30, respectively.

Distance to:	PalermoTrapani_Combined
2.38784422	VEN015:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
2.62716577	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R56:Antonio_2019
3.32924916	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R52:Antonio_2019
3.62603089	C5-S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_Late_Antiquity:R122:An tonio_2019
3.69010840	C6-Celio_Late_Antiquity:R35:Antonio_2019
3.93635618	C6-Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R131:Antoni o_2019
4.04278369	VEN013:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
4.05677212	C6-Civitanova_Marche_Imperial_Rome:R835:Antonio_2019
4.15007229	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R65:Antonio_2019
4.24855269	VEN005:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
4.45331337	C6-Centocelle_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R49:Antonio_20 19
4.47671755	Szolad40:Amorim_2018
4.52726187	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R1290:Antonio_2019
4.61280826	TAQ003:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021
4.63776886	C6-S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_Late_Antiquity:R117:An tonio_2019
4.75106304	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R57:Antonio_2019
4.75644825	C6-Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_MA:R973:Antonio_2019
4.81801826	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R54:Antonio_2019
5.00765414	C6-Civitanova_Marche_Imperial_Rome:R836:Antonio_2019
5.04013889	Collegno121:Amorim_2018
5.06459278	C6-Centocelle_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R47:Antonio_20 19
5.10433149	Prenestini_o_IA:R437:Antonio_2019
5.20676483	C6-S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_Late_Antiquity:R121:An tonio_2019
5.36587365	C6-S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_Late_Antiquity:R118:An tonio_2019
5.48053829	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R64:Antonio_2019
5.52786577	VK535_Dod_K12b
5.69498903	C6-Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_MA:R969:Antonio_2019
5.70232409	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R59:Antonio_2019
5.75256465	C6-Villa_Magna_MA:R58:Antonio_2019
5.87170333	VK536_Dod_K12b

[Salento]

@PT … I'm glad you figured it out :)

@Duarte … maybe you're closer to these two Vikings from the North, they’re y T … VK398 is Scandinavian (Sweden):

VK17_Dod_K12b,2.47,2.89,0.05,0.68,28.23,60.27,0.00,0.00,0.06,0.00,3.77,1.58
VK398_Dod_K12b,8.38,2.47,0.53,0.00,35.05,41.08,0.00,0.00,0.48,0.00,9.88,2.14

[Duarte]

@PT … I'm glad you figured it out :)

@Duarte … maybe you're closer to these two Vikings from the North, they’re y T … VK398 is Scandinavian (Sweden):

VK17_Dod_K12b,2.47,2.89,0.05,0.68,28.23,60.27,0.00,0.00,0.06,0.00,3.77,1.58
VK398_Dod_K12b,8.38,2.47,0.53,0.00,35.05,41.08,0.00,0.00,0.48,0.00,9.88,2.14

Thank you Salento. I am not close of these two Vikings also. I think the closest I get to a Viking is when I watch a movie or series in which they are the main characters. lol.

Distance to:

	Duarte
21.15277760	VK398_Dod_K12b
41.69623124	VK17_Dod_K12b

[Duarte]

Thank you Salento. I am not close of these two Vikings also. I think the closest I get to a Viking is when I watch a movie or series in which they are the main characters. lol.

Distance to:

	Duarte
21.15277760	VK398_Dod_K12b
41.69623124	VK17_Dod_K12b

Hi Salento. I flicked the calculator so it got a Viking ,lol. See:

Distance to:	Duarte
6.29654667	I10892:Olalde_2019
7.51741312	SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I12514:Olalde_2019
10.09213060	I10866:Olalde_2019
16.97283712	VK538_Dod_K12b
21.71103867	VK536_Dod_K12b
24.99635573	VK535_Dod_K12b
26.67684014	VK537_Dod_K12b
32.55454961	VK534_Dod_K12b

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Target: Duarte Distance: 4.9521% / 4.95209826
55.6	I10892:Olalde_2019
34.2	I10866:Olalde_2019
10.2	VK536_Dod_K12b

[Salento]

Hi Salento. I flicked the calculator so it got a Viking ,lol. See:

Distance to:	Duarte
6.29654667	I10892:Olalde_2019
7.51741312	SE_Iberia_c10-16CE:I12514:Olalde_2019
10.09213060	I10866:Olalde_2019
16.97283712	VK538_Dod_K12b
21.71103867	VK536_Dod_K12b
24.99635573	VK535_Dod_K12b
26.67684014	VK537_Dod_K12b
32.55454961	VK534_Dod_K12b

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Target: Duarte Distance: 4.9521% / 4.95209826
55.6	I10892:Olalde_2019
34.2	I10866:Olalde_2019
10.2	VK536_Dod_K12b

Ivar the … :)