Ancient DNA of Roman Danubian Frontier and Slavic Migrations (Olalde 2021)

[bigsnake49]

Slavic admixture in our face. Peloponnesians are indeed less "Slavicized" compared to others.

These are true Thessalians:

Target: GreeceThessaly10:GreeceThessaly Distance: 4.0491% / 0.04049108
58.2	Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
41.8	Polish

---

Target: GreeceThessaly9:GreeceThessaly Distance: 2.7201% / 0.02720131
68.2	Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
31.8	Polish

---

Target: GreeceThessaly8:GreeceThessaly Distance: 2.1137% / 0.02113734
62.6	Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
37.4	Polish

---

Target: GreeceThessaly7:GreeceThessaly Distance: 3.0986% / 0.03098639
61.2	Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
38.8	Polish

---

Target: GreeceThessaly6:GreeceThessaly Distance: 3.4842% / 0.03484200
53.4	Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
46.6	Polish

---

Target: GreeceThessaly5:GreeceThessaly Distance: 3.9282% / 0.03928212
60.8	Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
39.2	Polish

---

Target: GreeceThessaly4:GreeceThessaly Distance: 3.3062% / 0.03306234
61.8	Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
38.2	Polish

---

Target: GreeceThessaly3:GreeceThessaly Distance: 3.5953% / 0.03595291
62.0	Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
38.0	Polish

---

Several Roman period Balkan Iron age samples plotted south of BGR_IA. I would like to see more Iron age samples from Thracians, especially the southern ones.

What era are these samples from? What study? What area of Thessaly?

[Archetype0ne]

ihype2 sometimes I wonder if you understand what these models even do on a basic level? Hint: it forces the model on the sample.
Sure there might be something to these 4+ distance two way models that you keep posting trying to prove Greeks are half Slavic... But the method you are using proves nothing. I nothing to say on the conclusion, just the method, beware that it makes you look like a fanatic/hater especially when repeated across time.









^Thats what happens when you let the calculator decide and not shove samples down its throat.
Now please stop looking like a hater. Sdi bre burr a je shqipe a sje. Dyshoj.

[ihype02]

ihype2 sometimes I wonder if you understand what these models even do on a basic level? Hint: it forces the model on the sample.
Sure there might be something to these 4+ distance two way models that you keep posting trying to prove Greeks are half Slavic... But the method you are using proves nothing. I nothing to say on the conclusion, just the method, beware that it makes you look like a fanatic/hater especially when repeated across time.









^Thats what happens when you let the calculator decide and not shove samples down its throat.
Now please stop looking like a hater. Sdi bre burr a je shqipe a sje. Dyshoj.

Yeah if there comes some super proof that Albanians are not related to Illyrians (and there is so FAR no definitive proof that we are related to Illyrians) at all I wont deny it. There is so much antipathy in having Slavic ancestry here.

"Burrë" shkruhet me "ë" në fund.

[Archetype0ne]

Yeah if there comes some super proof that Albanians are not related to Illyrians (and there is so FAR no definitive proof that we are related to Illyrians) at all I wont deny it. There is so much antipathy in having Slavic ancestry here.

"Burrë" shkruhet me "ë" në fund.

The more I read that comment the more confused I get. I am not sure if I missed your point when you are deflecting with some hypotheticals about Illyrians. But I am sure you missed my point that your models are trash tier. I have said nothing the first 20 times you posted the same Thesalians = Poles + Empuries model, but the 21st was the straw.

Again when I come to these deflecting impasses with people I just defer the verdict to future studies as I will now.

Dyshoja qe je Shqiptar se ti bie per punime propagand qe as jugosllavet dhe mordovet neper fora si han. Apo e hanë?

• 
  
  iç apo iq?

[ihype02]

The more I read that comment the more confused I get. I am not sure if I missed your point when you are deflecting with some hypotheticals about Illyrians. But I am sure you missed my point that your models are trash tier. I have said nothing the first 20 times you posted the same Thesalians = Poles + Empuries model, but the 21st was the straw.

Again when I come to these deflecting impasses with people I just defer the verdict to future studies as I will now.

Dyshoja qe je Shqiptar se ti bie per punime propagand qe as jugosllavet dhe mordovet neper fora si han. Apo e hanë?

• 
  
  iç apo iq?

Hey sent me a message.

[ihype02]

Just look at all those "Balkan IA" clusters, majorly E-V13, R1b-Z2103, and J2b-L283:

It's interesting to see E-V13 and R1b-z2103 among the Near Eastern Cluster and probably many others. Many of those samples from the NE cluster had partial Balkanic ancestry. (it is also seen autosomally)

So they were likely permanent inhabitants.

Do you have this list somewhere?

[Riverman]

It's interesting to see E-V13 and R1b-z2103 among the Near Eastern Cluster and probably many others. Many of those samples from the NE cluster had partial Balkanic ancestry. (it is also seen autosomally)

So they were likely permanent inhabitants.

Do you have this list somewhere?

Think about how much you inherited from a great-grandfather. If a lineage married into another group, its autosomal profile will soon be completely diluted. A similar effect if the migration was very male dominated, not just one time, but in a row. Like first moving to the Banat, mixing with locals, moving to Southern Serbia, mixing with locals, moving to Macedonia... You get what I mean.
The autosomal profile is most telling in an early mixed context, like for the Langobards directly when they settled first in Pannnonia, then in Northern Italy. After that, they quickly dissolved lineage-wise.

Is the data out for the Viminacium samples?

[brick]

[Angela]

I can't believe people would take this seriously.

[ihype02]

South Slavs: ~40-50% Slavic Y-DNA -> ~40-50% Slavic AuDNA
Albanians: ~15% Slavic Y-DNA -> 38% Slavic AuDNA.

Super logical. Need to trust the authors blindly on this. In time this paper�s interpretations will look as stupid as E-V13 being Egyptian slaves.

Seems reasonable to me to accept that Slavs settled together with their families, thus the matching ydna-audna ratio. For that reason I bet true Slavic audna in Albania is max 15% (I think even less) and Germanic max 7%, reaching the reasonable 22% overall Northern ancestry.

We will wait and see.

50% Slavic in Serbs is the bare minimum, the real figure should be closer to 55% when it come to Serbs.

[ihype02]

My belief is that Slavs that migrated to Balkans were Ukrainian-like not Serb-like. Look how shifted away are Serbs from Albanians towards Ukrainians.

Target: Serb Distance: 1.0816% / 1.08162892
57.6	Albanian_Kosovo
42.4	Ukrainian

[brick]

People believe what they want to believe.

[Jovialis]

Any word on these samples yet? The paper is still in pre-print.

[PaleoRevenge]

Just look at all those "Balkan IA" clusters, majorly E-V13, R1b-Z2103, and J2b-L283:

Relevant data never gets released. I'm guessing this will take 2-3 years for the bam files to become public.

[PaleoRevenge]

There are 24 samples with Balkan IA aDNA profile in this paper.




16 have a Y-haplogroup assigned, 8 of whom are E-V13, which = 50% E-V13.