You realizing that the samples that you are using to validate your point are geographically closer to Italy than Albania. I will get back to you when samples will came from Albania, but meanwhile stop drawing conclusions that Italian are closer to Illyrians that Albanians. They are closer to the Illyrian Dalmatian Tribe but not to all Illyrians, especially the South Illyrians, namely Albanoi.
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You still don't get it. I don't care whether I'm close to the ancient Illyrians or not.
In the first instance I was pointing out that Northeast Italians, NOT ME, were closer to the samples from the western Balkans than those of any Albanians I had seen posted. So, by implication, if the Albanians had always resided there, then they had changed, and again by implication, perhaps it was the new Slavic ancestry.
In the second instance, after seeing that you just decided that the sample closest to modern Albanians from any ancient time period anywhere in the general vicinity MUST BE the Illyrians, without any actual scientific proof whatsoever, I tried to explain that this was a completely incorrect way of going about things.
Surely you see that???
@Cerc,
I always thought that was obvious, but given the posts in our threads lately, I thought perhaps it was indeed not obvious to people.
In the case of the "Illyrians", I think that most probably someone from the mountainous areas closest to the Tyrrhenian Sea is not descended from the Illyrians. What is probably true, however, is that a group of people from somewhere around, perhaps, Hungary, wound up both in the lower Balkans and Italy.
That isn't to say that some "Illyrians" didn't go to Italy, and some "Romans" didn't go to the Illyrian and other Balkan lands.
Neither of these scenarios are easy to quantify.
Now, if you have place X, with people of a certain autosomal make up, and 1000 years later you have people in that place X who have a big chunk of that same autosomal "cluster", then they probably are descendants of the first group, unless you can prove pretty decisively that something else in the interim created that similarity, i.e. total wipe out and then replacement by people with a similar autosomal structure, for example.
Proclaiming these things without proof doesn't cut it.