Angela, do you know why Tuscans score so little to none WHG?
all Italians score low WHG compared to Iberians
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Angela, do you know why Tuscans score so little to none WHG?
And who tied the Slavs to a certain territory and what would not allow them to roam freely throughout Europe and beyond, as all other nations, as evidenced by DNA so far. The spread of IE language/PIE which is only one has influenced many non-IE in nature languages along the way, is one of the many proofs that your claim is baseless. How would people stuck in a place affect someone culturally? This requires real contact. How many people speak Slavic today? Something doesn’t fit your theory.I guess you haven't read about all the Anatolian farmers who once lived all over Bulgaria. Their language may not have survived, but their genes certainly did.
The South Slavs ARE NOT, I repeat, not the original Slavs. Please read the paper on the Danubian Limes. There are some issues with it, but there is no arguing with the autosomal make-up of the people who lived in the Northern Balkans in the Iron Age, and that there was a change after that, whether one wants to argue about the percentages or not. The Balkan Iron Age Cluster shows the make up of the people who lived in the Balkans before the arrival of the Slavs, and they were not like even the Poles or Russians.
Tribes attested as speaking Slavic languages and worshiping Slavic gods were living in the far north on the shore of the Gulf of Finland. Other tribes, with a different autosomal signature, lived adjacent to them, but they were there.
It is what it is.
This logic who is real and not is pretty nationalistic at best.It is same as saying north Italians are the real Italians and south are not,or only Mycenaean were real Greeks present day are not,south Swedes are real Germanics and Austrians not and such dubious comparison can go on and on.Please leave this ethno-linguistic and ethno national comparison alone.And I see this particular comparison directed toward South Slavs and Balkans in general.What is your point,what you're trying to proof that we were Italics or Italian like or Romans prior Slavs came and admixed with us.And please remember that no historian or linguist ever linked the gulf of Finland with origin of Slavs.Everybody can believe in whatever they like you can agree or disagree.Didn't want to comment but this becomes really annoying.I do not care if I will be banned or not.I guess you haven't read about all the Anatolian farmers who once lived all over Bulgaria. Their language may not have survived, but their genes certainly did.
The South Slavs ARE NOT, I repeat, not the original Slavs. Please read the paper on the Danubian Limes. There are some issues with it, but there is no arguing with the autosomal make-up of the people who lived in the Northern Balkans in the Iron Age, and that there was a change after that, whether one wants to argue about the percentages or not. The Balkan Iron Age Cluster shows the make up of the people who lived in the Balkans before the arrival of the Slavs, and they were not like even the Poles or Russians.
Tribes attested as speaking Slavic languages and worshiping Slavic gods were living in the far north on the shore of the Gulf of Finland. Other tribes, with a different autosomal signature, lived adjacent to them, but they were there.
It is what it is.
This logic who is real and not is pretty nationalistic at best.It is same as saying north Italians are the real Italians and south are not,or only Mycenaean were real Greeks present day are not,south Swedes are real Germanics and Austrians not and such dubious comparison can go on and on.Please leave this ethno-linguistic and ethno national comparison alone.And I see this particular comparison directed toward South Slavs and Balkans in general.What is your point,what you're trying to proof that we were Italics or Italian like or Romans prior Slavs came and admixed with us,ok even if we was we have the right to decide what we are today and what we are not.And please remember that no historian or linguist ever linked the gulf of Finland with origin of Slavs.The Danube basin theory which this Bulgarian guy posted is at least supported by one of the best linguist of Slavic languages Oleg Trubachev probably never heard of him,a historian Florin Curta and Medieval Russian chronicle.Everybody can believe in whatever they like you can agree or disagree.Didn't want to comment but this becomes really annoying.I do not care if I will be banned or not.
Old East Slavic (древнерусский язык) was a language used during the 10th–15th centuries by East Slavs in Kievan Rus' and its successors. But medieval Russians were illiterate, while they did speak Old East Slavic or Old Russian at the time. It was not until the end of the 18th century when the Russian version of Cyrillic was adapted to write Bulgarian. Bulgarian was the first Slavic language to be written in the 9th century in the Glagolitic alphabet, which was gradually replaced by an early version of the Cyrillic alphabet over the following centuries.
Neither I am Serbian nor I know or care who Razib Khan is much less to spam him.And by the same token you are not real Italian,but a mix of Etruscan who are not IE,Lombard Germanic and much more.How that feel? And what is even real or not is not on me to judge especially not certain people feelings.Thank you and better even not to talk with you.If you can't or won't believe the evidence provided by the bones dug up in the Balkans, nothing I say will convince you.
I don't see why, however, in that case, you frequent a site dedicated, among other things, to the study of population genetics, i.e. "genetic" studies of ancient dna.
This doesn't mean that I believe the Danubian Limes paper is flawless, because it isn't, and I indicated that in my posts on the thread discussing that paper. The authors lacked a proximate source in space for the migrations which fit mathematically (i.e. early Czech Slav samples didn't fit), so they chose a source as unadmixed as possible. That's not to say that all the migrations which reached the Balkans started in that particular place. If you can't understand the distinction, I can't help you.
I would remind everyone that this thread is dedicated to the discussion of the ancient Etruscans, and thus to Italian genetics. Anyone who wishes to discuss Balkan genetics is free to discuss the issue in the appropriate thread.
Now all we need is the Serbian who spams Razib Khan's site to make our day complete.
Neither I am Serbian nor I know or care who Razib Khan is much less to spam him.And by the same token you are not real Italian,but a mix of Etruscan who are not IE,Lombard Germanic and much more.How that feel? And what is even real or not is not on me to judge especially not certain people feelings.Thank you and better even not to talk with you.
Your contribution so far is only with insults and bias toward certain people.That really show your own intellectual level not mine.This low answers doesn't seem to help,consult some specialist in the field.Good grief, I never said you were that Serbian. Calm down.
See, this is the problem when posters are not really comfortable with the English language.
As for your attempt to t-roll me, you obviously don't get it. Italians are the product of all those people: Italian Neolithic, Beaker like Bronze Age steppe admixed, Etruscans (who are indeed steppe admixed whatever the language they spoke, just like the Basques, if you've heard of them), Latins, who are almost indistinguishable genetically from them, Greeks, Aegean Iron Age, some Celtic, and maybe a bit of Germanic, but the latter is doubtful.
What, do you think Bulgarians have existed unchanged since the Ice Age or something? If you do you're sadly uninformed.
If you don't want to contribute, you know what they say: Don't let the door hit you in the you know what on your way out.
Angela, do you know why Tuscans score so little to none WHG?
Distance to: | BaiNed |
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3.33522113 | Bulgaria_EBA:I2165:Mathieson_2018 |
6.55415898 | Nordic_Type-(ADH)_Female:STR310:Veeramah_2018 |
6.60945535 | C.Italy_Etruscan_MAS001:Marsilianad'Albegna(Grosseto_Tuscany)_350-100BCE:MAS001 |
6.60945535 | MAS001:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021 |
6.62440941 | Collegno49:Amorim_2018 |
6.90018840 | Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 |
7.18298684 | Szolad27:Amorim_2018 |
7.32370808 | NE_Iberia_c6CE_PL:I12031:Olalde_2019 |
7.89380137 | Hungary_BA:I7043:Olalde_2018 |
8.33390065 | Altenerding-Klettham_480-519AD_Female:AED513:Veeramah_2018 |
8.54053862 | Collegno57:Amorim_2018 |
8.66107384 | C7-Villa_Magna_MA:R61:Antonio_2019 |
8.69564834 | Protovillanovan_IA:R1:Antonio_2019 |
8.72630506 | Szolad18:Amorim_2018 |
8.94171125 | La_Tène_B_IA:COL153A:Brunel_2020 |
8.98512103 | MOK32:Zegarac_2021 |
9.31171842 | C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007 |
9.31171842 | ETR007:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021 |
9.35599273 | I3596:Olalde_2018 |
9.36053951 | Szolad1:Amorim_2018 |
9.39785082 | NE_Iberia_c6-8CE_ES:I3866:Olalde_2019 |
9.42550794 | I5017:Olalde_2018 |
9.50142095 | C7-Villa_Magna_MA:R55:Antonio_2019 |
9.58532211 | Collegno47:Amorim_2018 |
9.69126927 | Beaker_Central_Europe:I4885:Olalde_2018 |
Imagine being "slav" in 2021
Distance to: BaiNed 3.33522113 Bulgaria_EBA:I2165:Mathieson_2018 6.55415898 Nordic_Type-(ADH)_Female:STR310:Veeramah_2018 6.60945535 C.Italy_Etruscan_MAS001:Marsilianad'Albegna(Grosseto_Tuscany)_350-100BCE:MAS001 6.60945535 MAS001:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021 6.62440941 Collegno49:Amorim_2018 6.90018840 Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 7.18298684 Szolad27:Amorim_2018 7.32370808 NE_Iberia_c6CE_PL:I12031:Olalde_2019 7.89380137 Hungary_BA:I7043:Olalde_2018 8.33390065 Altenerding-Klettham_480-519AD_Female:AED513:Veeramah_2018 8.54053862 Collegno57:Amorim_2018 8.66107384 C7-Villa_Magna_MA:R61:Antonio_2019 8.69564834 Protovillanovan_IA:R1:Antonio_2019 8.72630506 Szolad18:Amorim_2018 8.94171125 La_Tène_B_IA:COL153A:Brunel_2020 8.98512103 MOK32:Zegarac_2021 9.31171842 C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007 9.31171842 ETR007:Etruscan_Pre-Print_2021 9.35599273 I3596:Olalde_2018 9.36053951 Szolad1:Amorim_2018 9.39785082 NE_Iberia_c6-8CE_ES:I3866:Olalde_2019 9.42550794 I5017:Olalde_2018 9.50142095 C7-Villa_Magna_MA:R55:Antonio_2019 9.58532211 Collegno47:Amorim_2018 9.69126927 Beaker_Central_Europe:I4885:Olalde_2018
Your response had me rolling
On a serious note your distance to that EBA Bulgaria sample is insane! Can you please do the AC-BC calculation on Vahaduo, yours vs the Bulgarian sample, to see what sort of shift you have. That would be really interesting.
I'm not sure how to do it. Can you explain please, kinda new to the vahaduo.
Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑ A: BaiNed B: Bulgaria_EBA:I2165:Mathieson_2018 C: ↴ | |
---|---|
-2.93778136 | Alalakh_MLBA:ALA084:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-2.88166372 | Ashkelon_LBA:ASH033:Feldman_2019_(Jul.) |
-2.87925232 | Ebla_EMBA:ETM018:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-2.86188878 | Alalakh_MLBA:ALA015:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-2.84572093 | Ashkelon_LBA:ASH029:Feldman_2019_(Jul.) |
-2.83740714 | Arslantepe_LC:ART004:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-2.83091083 | Caucasus_lowlands_LC:ALX002_SR:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-2.82756998 | Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-2.82695870 | Ashkelon_IA2:ASH008:Feldman_2019_(Jul.) |
-2.82385706 | Alalakh_MLBA:ALA035:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-2.81622521 | Ebla_EMBA:ETM004:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-2.81487368 | Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-2.79630654 | Alalakh_MLBA:ALA037:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-2.79572304 | Alalakh_MLBA:ALA025:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-2.79393379 | Alalakh_MLBA:ALA001:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-2.79119607 | Arslantepe_LC:ART019_PE:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-2.79025404 | Ebla_EMBA:ETM001:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-2.78764203 | Ebla_EMBA:ETM023:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-2.78706798 | Alalakh_MLBA:ALA008:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-2.78664237 | Arslantepe_EBA:ART001_PE:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-2.78183972 | Alalakh_MLBA:ALA004:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-2.78021246 | C4-ANAS_Imperial_Rome:R67:Antonio_2019 |
-2.77904645 | Alalakh_MLBA:ALA024:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-2.77843190 | Armenia_MLChL:I1631:Lazaridis_2016 |
-2.77227571 | Ebla_EMBA:ETM026:Skourtanioti_2020 |
Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓ A: BaiNed B: Bulgaria_EBA:I2165:Mathieson_2018 C: ↴ | |
---|---|
2.99644451 | Bell_Beaker_Osterhofen-Altenmarkt:RISE564:Allentoft_2015 |
2.92690775 | NE_Iberia_c6-8CE_ES:I7672:Olalde_2019 |
2.91504747 | Scotland_CA_EBA:I5470:Olalde_2018 |
2.86068189 | NW_Iberia_CA_Stp:I3238:Olalde_2019 |
2.85017699 | Blatterhohle_MN:I1594:Lipson_2017 |
2.83427747 | MOK16A:Zegarac_2021 |
2.82694684 | Maros:RISE374:Allentoft_2015 |
2.81759097 | SE_Iberia_CA:I8157:Olalde_2019 |
2.81706365 | E_Iberia_IA:I12877:Olalde_2019 |
2.81208421 | Hungary_4420BC:NE7:Gamba_2014 |
2.80677151 | Vatya:RISE483:Allentoft_2015 |
2.80144259 | Maros:RISE373:Allentoft_2015 |
2.78837377 | France_EBAIR3116B:Brunel_2020 |
2.78547060 | Bell_Beaker_Augsburg:RISE559:Allentoft_2015 |
2.78176980 | MOK25A:Zegarac_2021 |
2.77915626 | I6468:Olalde_2018 |
2.77828867 | I6624:Olalde_2018 |
2.76984683 | Beaker_Central_Europe:I5660:Olalde_2018 |
2.76872357 | WHG-like_Brunn_am_Gebirge:I6913:Nikitin_2019 |
2.76613473 | Germany_MN:I1560_d:Lipson_2017 |
2.76333194 | France_EBA:RIX2:Brunel_2020 |
2.76240361 | Udosolovo_Ingria_Russia_IA:VIII12_1:Saag_2019 |
2.76047756 | France_EBA:RIX15:Brunel_2020 |
2.75984020 | Hungary_MBA:RISE349:Allentoft_2015 |
2.75837841 | Vatya:RISE484:Allentoft_2015 |
Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑ A: BaiNed B: I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp C: ↴ | |
---|---|
-21.85324160 | MJ14_West_Scythian_R1a_Z645_ |
-21.68373331 | I5885_Ukraine_Mesolithic_8110_ybp |
-21.66351593 | North_Norwegian_HG_Steigen |
-21.65190093 | I3715_Ukraine_N_7529_ybp |
-21.64609739 | ZVEJ31_Latvia_MN2_6179_5750_BC4229_3800_cal_BC_ |
-21.64604322 | I1819_Mesolithic_Ukraine_1st_oldest_R1a_9000_7000_BCE_M_r1a_U5b2_ |
-21.63787452 | I1378_Mesolithic_Ukraine_6kya_ |
-21.63194223 | I0011_Sweden_Motala_HG_7569_ybp |
-21.61340277 | Hum1_Norway_Mesolithic.SG_9364_ybp |
-21.60961102 | I5883_Ukraine_N_7056_ybp |
-21.60915820 | I1733_Ukraine_Mesolithic_10200_ybp |
-21.60244423 | I5879_Ukraine_N_brother.I8590_father.or.son.I3718_7200_ybp |
-21.60092125 | I1732_Ukraine_N_7239_ybp |
-21.59581482 | I4628_Latvia_HG_7027_ybp |
-21.59276664 | I4630_Latvia_HG_9222_ybp |
-21.58371321 | MJ13_West_Scythian_580_BC_ |
-21.57898492 | I4436_Latvia_MN_6105_ybp |
-21.57293291 | Kivutkalns222_Latvia_BA_660_ybp |
-21.56892050 | Turlojiske3_Lithuania_BA_905_ybp |
-21.56604672 | I5875_Ukraine_N_7126_ybp |
-21.56048497 | Kivutkalns153_Latvia_BA_673_ybp |
-21.56015257 | I1738_Ukraine_N_7350_ybp |
-21.55863202 | ZVEJ25_latvia_HG2_narva_7791_7586_BC5841_5636_calBC_ |
-21.55707425 | I5876_Mesolithic_Ukraine_2nd_oldest_R1a_ |
-21.55655492 | I0015_Sweden_Motala_HG_7747_ybp |
Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓ A: BaiNed B: I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp C: ↴ | |
---|---|
19.28890957 | I9041_Greece_Mycenaean_3250_ybp |
18.79037352 | I2430_Bulgaria_Late_C_6448_ybp |
18.51887889 | I2743_Hungary_ALPc_Szakalhat_MN_7050_ybp |
18.43338369 | Boncuklu002 |
18.38884468 | I1895_Hungary_Vinca_MN_7151_ybp |
18.36225039 | I1891_Hungary_Sopot_LN_6969_ybp |
18.32118637 | I2519_Bulgaria_C_6242_ybp |
18.28974297 | I2355_Hungary_ALBK_Szakalhat_MN_7050_ybp |
18.25766552 | I2029_Germany_LBK_EN_7126_ybp |
18.25384550 | I1506_NE1_HungaryEN_ |
18.22908434 | I0056_Germany_LBK_EN_7061_ybp |
18.19479624 | I4918_Serbia_Starcevo_EN_7600_ybp |
18.18218520 | I8215_3iberia_ |
18.17814491 | N25_Poland_BKG.SG_6250_ybp |
18.16240952 | I1899_Hungary_Lengyel_LN_6380_ybp |
18.14318394 | I3537_Hungary_ALPc_Szatmar_MN_7371_ybp |
18.13144993 | I2380_Hungary_ALPc_Szatmar_MN_7350_ybp |
18.12845337 | R17_Marche_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy |
18.10711391 | I2509_Bulgaria_C_6353_ybp |
18.09151219 | I8215_iberia_ |
18.07632688 | I2425_Bulgaria_Late_C_6515_ybp |
18.07341017 | I1903_Hungary_Lengyel_LN_son.I10619.son.I10624.halfbro.I10620.halfbro.I10621_6600_ybp |
18.05126054 | I2510_Bulgaria_EBA_4758_ybp |
18.03288356 | SZ19_Hungary_Langobard_1463_ybp |
18.02620961 | Bar31_Anatolia_Early_Neolithic_ |
Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑ A: A0 B: Bulgaria_EBA:I2165:Mathieson_2018 C: ↴ | |
---|---|
-9.34066494 | Arslantepe_LC:ART038:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-9.33784815 | Arslantepe_LC_rel_of_ART014:ART024_SR:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-9.31376834 | TellKurdu_MC:KRD002:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-9.31126928 | Arslantepe_LC_rel_of_ART014:ART024_PE:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-9.30125424 | Arslantepe_LC:ART014_PE:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-9.29363272 | ÇamlıbelTarlası_LC:CBT010:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-9.27386556 | ÇamlıbelTarlası_LC:CBT004:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-9.26610397 | İkiztepe_LC:IKI024:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-9.26245312 | ÇamlıbelTarlası_LC:CBT001:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-9.25816014 | İkiztepe_LC:IKI009:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-9.25339683 | Arslantepe_LC:ART014_SR:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-9.23756731 | C5-Viale_Rossini_Necropolis_Imperial_Rome:R78:Antonio_2019 |
-9.22692814 | MA2205amgaard_2018 |
-9.22429862 | Büyükkaya_EC:CBT018:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-9.22111634 | C5-ANAS_Imperial_Rome:R71:Antonio_2019 |
-9.22106015 | Arslantepe_LC:ART012_PE:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-9.21552432 | MA2200amgaard_2018 |
-9.20966179 | MA2206amgaard_2018 |
-9.20600960 | TitrişHöyük_EBA:TIT021:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-9.19907355 | ÇamlıbelTarlası_LC:CBT013:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-9.19728643 | İkiztepe_LC:IKI019:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-9.17603697 | ÇamlıbelTarlası_LC:CBT016:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-9.17235349 | ÇamlıbelTarlası_LC:CBT014:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-9.16682609 | Arslantepe_LC:ART012_SR:Skourtanioti_2020 |
-9.15633531 | Arslantepe_LC:ART022_SR:Skourtanioti_2020 |
Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓ A: A0 B: Bulgaria_EBA:I2165:Mathieson_2018 C: ↴ | |
---|---|
9.50729750 | Nordic_MN_B:RISE61:Allentoft_2015 |
9.50180849 | C7-Cancelleria_MA:R1219:Antonio_2019 |
9.49260205 | 3DT16:Martiniano_2016 |
9.49211725 | Unetice:RISE577:Allentoft_2015 |
9.49020990 | Bell_Beaker_LN:I0805:Mathieson_2015 |
9.48534520 | oll009:Malmström_2019 |
9.48012935 | Straubing_Bajuwarenstraße-(Inter-ADH)_Male:STR491:Veeramah_2018 |
9.47293967 | England_CA_EBA:I2464:Olalde_2018 |
9.46646936 | NE_Iberia_Greek_(Empúries1):I8212:Olalde_2019 |
9.46645683 | NO3423:Martiniano_2016 |
9.46503341 | Szolad12:Amorim_2018 |
9.45580438 | Beaker_Central_Europe:I7286:Olalde_2018 |
9.45160989 | Crusader_Pit:SI39:Haber_2019 |
9.44864889 | Szolad8:Amorim_2018 |
9.43948429 | C7-Mausole_di_Augusto_Late_Antiquity:R31:Antonio_2019 |
9.42938250 | Nordic_BA:RISE47:Allentoft_2015 |
9.42936899 | Scythian:scy303:Krzewinska_2018_(Oct) |
9.42660787 | Unetice_EBA:I0804_EUL57:Haak_2015 |
9.42354513 | Nordic_LN:RISE179:Allentoft_2015 |
9.42272721 | Collegno146:Amorim_2018 |
9.42028926 | Altheim_485-535AD_Female:Alh10:Veeramah_2018 |
9.41756864 | Altenerding-Klettham_460-510AD_Male:AED249:Veeramah_2018 |
9.41682202 | Szolad11:Amorim_2018 |
9.41671830 | Szolad9:Amorim_2018 |
9.41395992 | Bell_Beaker_Knezeves:RISE566:Allentoft_2015 |
Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑ A: A0 B: I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp C: ↴ | |
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-17.65020890 | I0211_Russia_Karelia_HG_8280_ybp |
-17.30973717 | Kivutkalns209_Latvia_BA_318_ybp |
-17.30074268 | AfontovaGora3_AfontovaGora2_merge_ |
-17.27614311 | I0433_Russia_Khvalynsk_EN_6550_ybp |
-17.24581939 | I4554_Latvia_MN_5949_ybp |
-17.24390591 | vik_kal009_Sweden_Viking.SG_900_ybp |
-17.06221982 | MJ14_West_Scythian_R1a_Z645_ |
-17.05638777 | UzOO77_new_Russia_EHG_5250_ybp |
-17.04155939 | Kivutkalns153_Latvia_BA_673_ybp |
-17.02395616 | Kivutkalns222_Latvia_BA_660_ybp |
-17.01537172 | I0124_Russia_Samara_EHG_7549_ybp |
-17.00906605 | Latvia_MN2_Latvia_MN_Comb_Ware.SG_5965_ybp |
-17.00648656 | Kivutkalns19_Latvia_BA_565_ybp |
-17.00116539 | I4435_Latvia_MN_6003_ybp |
-16.98640372 | I0061_OleniyOstrov_ |
-16.98334735 | Kivutkalns207_Latvia_BA_560_ybp |
-16.97553533 | Kivutkalns25_Latvia_BA_673_ybp |
-16.97405940 | Kivutkalns42_Latvia_BA_685_ybp |
-16.93412456 | I1733_Ukraine_Mesolithic_10200_ybp |
-16.92644158 | I4436_Latvia_MN_6105_ybp |
-16.84366070 | ZVEJ31_Latvia_MN2_6179_5750_BC4229_3800_cal_BC_ |
-16.84142158 | Sidelkino_Russia_Sidelkino_HG.SG_11259_ybp |
-16.84007444 | DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_ |
-16.76362993 | I5885_Ukraine_Mesolithic_8110_ybp |
-16.74907792 | I0122_Russia_Khvalynsk_EN_6800_ybp |
Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↓ A: A0 B: I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp C: ↴ | |
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14.61547745 | SZ19_Hungary_Langobard_1463_ybp |
14.43301414 | I2430_Bulgaria_Late_C_6448_ybp |
14.18086202 | I9041_Greece_Mycenaean_3250_ybp |
14.15270043 | I2425_Bulgaria_Late_C_6515_ybp |
13.54709533 | I4189_Hungary_Balaton_Lasinja_CA_6050_ybp |
13.41787012 | I5117_Hungary_LCA_4550_ybp |
13.39285577 | N27_Poland_BKG.SG_6250_ybp |
13.37171978 | N25_Poland_BKG.SG_6250_ybp |
13.34974449 | I2743_Hungary_ALPc_Szakalhat_MN_7050_ybp |
13.31691531 | I2791_Hungary_Protoboleraz_LCA_5471_ybp |
13.27510512 | I2358_Hungary_Tisza_LN_6700_ybp |
13.26846454 | I2355_Hungary_ALBK_Szakalhat_MN_7050_ybp |
13.23442637 | I4088_Romania_C_6154_ybp |
13.23372499 | Boncuklu002 |
13.16070897 | I1895_Hungary_Vinca_MN_7151_ybp |
13.14008133 | I5118_Hungary_LCA_4550_ybp |
13.13293238 | I1891_Hungary_Sopot_LN_6969_ybp |
13.11601508 | I1905_Hungary_Lengyel_LN_6664_ybp |
13.03625363 | I4199_Hungary_ALPc_Tiszadob_MN_7050_ybp |
12.99866879 | I2380_Hungary_ALPc_Szatmar_MN_7350_ybp |
12.97923892 | I1908_Hungary_Balaton_Lasinja_CA_6050_ybp |
12.89706412 | I2745_Hungary_ALPc_Szakalhat_MN_7050_ybp |
12.87678880 | I0056_Germany_LBK_EN_7061_ybp |
12.85071324 | R19_Marche_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy |
12.84455007 | I4918_Serbia_Starcevo_EN_7600_ybp |
17.65020890 | I0211_Russia_Karelia_HG_8280_ybp |
From the get-go I thought "Too good to be true" about DNA testing ancient Greeks. It wouldn't surprise me if the results are never revealed to the public and just allowed to quietly fade away from memory.
There is definitely a reason, and I think it's quite the opposite: modern Greeks are just too much like their ancestors to be palatable. The general themes in the (mainstream) EU involve immigration, integration, "world citizenry," and other such tropes. I doubt they would let an opportunity like this float by if it suited the narrative. Recall what was (enthusiastically, I would say) being put out about mixed Vikings recently, to name an example.
Telling people they are direct descendants of Socrates would rekindle ethnic pride, nationalism, and insularity--things I'm pretty sure are distasteful to people in certain milieus.
Not to mention various geo-political entanglements. We know, for instance, that Turkey harbors territorial aspirations to Greek territory which would pretty much become Null and Void by legitimizing Greeks' ethnic position. I'm sure there are powers out there that are reluctant to alienate the Turks....
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