Genetic study Ancient DNA of Roman Danubian Frontier and Slavic Migrations (Olalde 2021)

Just look at all those "Balkan IA" clusters, majorly E-V13, R1b-Z2103, and J2b-L283:

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E-IlOorXoAYyGtZ

It's interesting to see E-V13 and R1b-z2103 among the Near Eastern Cluster and probably many others. Many of those samples from the NE cluster had partial Balkanic ancestry. (it is also seen autosomally)

So they were likely permanent inhabitants.

Do you have this list somewhere?
 
It's interesting to see E-V13 and R1b-z2103 among the Near Eastern Cluster and probably many others. Many of those samples from the NE cluster had partial Balkanic ancestry. (it is also seen autosomally)

So they were likely permanent inhabitants.

Do you have this list somewhere?

Think about how much you inherited from a great-grandfather. If a lineage married into another group, its autosomal profile will soon be completely diluted. A similar effect if the migration was very male dominated, not just one time, but in a row. Like first moving to the Banat, mixing with locals, moving to Southern Serbia, mixing with locals, moving to Macedonia... You get what I mean.
The autosomal profile is most telling in an early mixed context, like for the Langobards directly when they settled first in Pannnonia, then in Northern Italy. After that, they quickly dissolved lineage-wise.

Is the data out for the Viminacium samples?
 
I can't believe people would take this seriously.
 
South Slavs: ~40-50% Slavic Y-DNA -> ~40-50% Slavic AuDNA
Albanians: ~15% Slavic Y-DNA -> 38% Slavic AuDNA.

Super logical. Need to trust the authors blindly on this. In time this paper�s interpretations will look as stupid as E-V13 being Egyptian slaves.

Seems reasonable to me to accept that Slavs settled together with their families, thus the matching ydna-audna ratio. For that reason I bet true Slavic audna in Albania is max 15% (I think even less) and Germanic max 7%, reaching the reasonable 22% overall Northern ancestry.

We will wait and see.
50% Slavic in Serbs is the bare minimum, the real figure should be closer to 55% when it come to Serbs.
 
My belief is that Slavs that migrated to Balkans were Ukrainian-like not Serb-like. Look how shifted away are Serbs from Albanians towards Ukrainians.

Target: Serb
Distance: 1.0816% / 1.08162892
57.6Albanian_Kosovo
42.4Ukrainian
 
According to the paper East Med people didn't replace the natives but basically got absorbed

''"Consistent with this, we model the ancestry of this Balkans Iron Age Clusteras predominantly deriving from Iron Age (IA) groups from nearby areas in the Balkans, with 67% Aegean Bronze Age-related ancestry and the remainder Slovenia Iron Age-related ancestry (Figure 2; Supplementary section 12.1). A local origin is supported by a high frequency of Ychromosome lineage E-V13, which has been hypothesized to have experienced a Bronze-to-Iron Age expansion in the Balkans and is found in its highest frequencies in the present-day Balkans 17. We interpret this cluster as the descendants of local Balkan Iron Age populations living at Viminacium, where they represented an abundant ancestry group during the Early Imperial and later periods (~47% of sampled individuals from the 1-550 CE).''

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"These findings support the hypothesis that such individuals were part of a cosmopolitan group comprising a large proportion of individuals in Imperial towns and cities who over time were demographically overwhelmed by populations in the countryside or by faster reproductive rates of rural or populations without as much Near Eastern influence."

"The legacy of Balkans Iron Age groups persists in admixed form in later groups including present-day Balkan populations (see below), whereas the Near Eastern-related ancestral legacy eventually ebbed in favor of Northern/Eastern European-related ancestry, similar to the patterns observed in the city of Rome itself 3. These findings support the hypothesis that such individuals were part of a cosmopolitan group comprising a large proportion of individuals in Imperial towns and cities who over time were demographically overwhelmed by populations in the countryside or by faster reproductive rates of rural or populations without as much Near Eastern influence.

"We found highly similar ancestry trajectories across time in Rome and Viminacium, with a strong Anatolian/Near Eastern influence during the Imperial period that resulted in a large portion of the analyzed individuals in both cities having Near Eastern ancestry, followed by a resurgence of local ancestry after the Empire’s decline 3. These results highlight how mobility from the Easternmost areas of the Empire was a common feature of large cities and towns from the capital city of Rome to the Danubian limes, but that demographically these populations were a veneer without long-lasting influences, suggesting either that they were greatly outnumbered by local rural populations, or that their reproductive rates were much lower than that of local rural populations, consistent with evidence that cities and towns in the Roman empire did not successfully reproduce themselves demographically and instead constantly had to be repopulated through immigration 29. In the Imperial period, genetic data suggest that a large proportion of this immigration derived from the Eastern Mediterranean highlighting the centrality of this region in the period of intense human connectivity during Imperial Rome. Conversely, the decline in the geographic scale and number of people involved in transMediterranean movements following the Empire’s decline is reflected in the fact that in later periods, Eastern Mediterranean influence largely disappeared in both the city of Rome and in the large towns of the Balkans."
 
My belief is that Slavs that migrated to Balkans were Ukrainian-like not Serb-like. Look how shifted away are Serbs from Albanians towards Ukrainians.

Target: Serb
Distance: 1.0816% / 1.08162892
57.6Albanian_Kosovo
42.4Ukrainian

Albanians also have in addition some Slavic while Serbs and Macedonians got more Balkan from Albanians, Greeks and Aromanians otherwise the Balkan would be much less probably. They got more Balkan during the Ottoman period.
 
My belief is that Slavs that migrated to Balkans were Ukrainian-like not Serb-like. Look how shifted away are Serbs from Albanians towards Ukrainians.

Target: Serb
Distance: 1.0816% / 1.08162892
57.6Albanian_Kosovo
42.4Ukrainian

We already know this, the early Slavs were Ukrainian/Belarusian like and migrated from that region in addition to Poland
 

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