Angela
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I mean we could beat the skeleton of the horse that died last winter, or actually remember all the back and forths here that ended up with gaslighting and bringing Nazis up for who knows what reasons.
eupedia.com/forum/threads/34414-Genetic-Origins-of-Minoans-and-Mycenaeans
That is an article you first shared, from the very same person you are saying is going to put this topic to rest soon , Lazaridis.
Now if we are going to criticize PCAs fine. Lets be consistent. Rely on authorities in the field. Fine, lets be consistent.
Continuity, this whole paper dealt with that and a mere ctrl f can get one the conclusion in seconds or just a basic look at the graphic.
Jovialis at the time even provided some conference proceeding video, where Lazaridis explains why South Italy being cold as far as continuity with these source populations was not that peculiar.
Then you have the old IBD paper about Albanians and Italians having the highest in Europe...
Coincidentally, look at the graphs from this very paper:
Not even sure how one interprets IX-XII Central Italians being shifted towards Early Empire NE individuals compared to modern Albanians and Greeks...
Once someone wraps their head around that without some borderline ridiculous excuses then let me know.
And no, Mordovians are likely not the case.
Neither genetic biased autosomal gene flow, unless somehow Greeks and Albanians only managed to marry Slavic women while having degrees of magnitude less Y DNA impact, after two plagues and Alans, Avars, Huns and Slavs literally laying waste to the Danube.
Whatever the answer is I do not know.
Either way, I will catch up with the thread tomorrow, have a gn.
It's a good idea that you go to sleep and revisit this topic in the morning; you might even want to erase this post and start fresh, because as far as I'm concerned there's no logical reasoning going on here at all.
In fact, I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make. My God, the very mention of Dienekes is like waving a red flag at a bull as far as Albanians are concerned. Nothing is going to change how often he was right and eons above all his detractors in terms of sheer intellect and reasoning power.
As for that PCA, that was ONE group of Southern Italians, with my guess being they might be Calabrians from Bova, who are so inbred that they can tell us little of general value for the sake of comparisons. That would fit with Lazaridis' explanation to Jovialis, which I remember very well.
As I said, I really don't know what you're getting at, but maybe you can explain it better tomorrow.