Genetic study Ancient DNA of Roman Danubian Frontier and Slavic Migrations (Olalde 2021)

Distance to:Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021
9.29563338O_Italian
11.65169516N_Italian
12.36874286Romanians
12.78404474Bulgarian
12.97004241Bulgarians
13.46156009TSI30
14.12935950Tuscan
14.96762172North_Italian
15.50102255C_Italian
17.59681221Greek
22.03691902Baleares
22.45305324French
22.48897063Hungarians
22.57076206French
22.60822417S_Italian_Sicilian
22.61788894Sicilian
22.81847497Galicia
23.42441034Extremadura
23.94427071Portuguese
24.47608016English_mixed
24.54564931Ashkenazy_Jews
24.66077452Ashkenazi
24.96116584German
25.64620440Mixed_Germanic
25.73028954Murcia


Distance to:Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021
5.00732463O_Italian
7.84764933C_Italian
8.14922696Tuscan
8.46017139TSI30
9.66201325Greek
12.26597326N_Italian
13.92202212Bulgarians
14.18514716North_Italian
14.49394701Bulgarian
14.57112213Sicilian
14.87650833S_Italian_Sicilian
15.19429169Romanians
16.39294055Ashkenazi
16.57490875Ashkenazy_Jews
22.53518804Sephardic_Jews
23.86128873Morocco_Jews
23.89394275Baleares
25.28810195Galicia
26.16534158Extremadura
26.59044565Portuguese
27.05539687Canarias
27.16439766Murcia
28.13880417Andalucia
28.37048643Castilla_Y_Leon
28.92359763Spaniards

 
Distance to:Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021
9.29563338O_Italian
11.65169516N_Italian
12.36874286Romanians
12.78404474Bulgarian
12.97004241Bulgarians
13.46156009TSI30
14.12935950Tuscan
14.96762172North_Italian
15.50102255C_Italian
17.59681221Greek
22.03691902Baleares
22.45305324French
22.48897063Hungarians
22.57076206French
22.60822417S_Italian_Sicilian
22.61788894Sicilian
22.81847497Galicia
23.42441034Extremadura
23.94427071Portuguese
24.47608016English_mixed
24.54564931Ashkenazy_Jews
24.66077452Ashkenazi
24.96116584German
25.64620440Mixed_Germanic
25.73028954Murcia


Distance to:Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021
5.00732463O_Italian
7.84764933C_Italian
8.14922696Tuscan
8.46017139TSI30
9.66201325Greek
12.26597326N_Italian
13.92202212Bulgarians
14.18514716North_Italian
14.49394701Bulgarian
14.57112213Sicilian
14.87650833S_Italian_Sicilian
15.19429169Romanians
16.39294055Ashkenazi
16.57490875Ashkenazy_Jews
22.53518804Sephardic_Jews
23.86128873Morocco_Jews
23.89394275Baleares
25.28810195Galicia
26.16534158Extremadura
26.59044565Portuguese
27.05539687Canarias
27.16439766Murcia
28.13880417Andalucia
28.37048643Castilla_Y_Leon
28.92359763Spaniards

Distance to:Balkan_(Bulgaria)_IA:I5769:Mathieson_2018
5.97005863C_Italian
7.83121319Tuscan
9.06121405Sicilian
9.15518979TSI30
9.44646495S_Italian_Sicilian
12.06840089O_Italian
12.69731074Greek
13.67207738Ashkenazi
14.24926665Ashkenazy_Jews
16.28460930Sephardic_Jews
16.29218217North_Italian
16.76432820N_Italian
17.58261926Morocco_Jews
25.69042039Baleares
25.95176873Bulgarians
26.11159704Cypriots
26.49297454Bulgarian
27.47030579Romanians
27.68851206Andalucia
27.74512029Canarias
27.78383883Murcia
27.96418960Galicia
28.37079660Extremadura
29.05719188Portuguese
30.06958097Castilla_Y_Leon

 
Distance to:Bronze_Age_Illyrians
4.09920724N_Italian
7.16161993North_Italian
7.52141609O_Italian
7.74102706TSI30
9.37360656Tuscan
12.29670688C_Italian
15.79831953Baleares
17.31780875Galicia
17.77266722Bulgarians
17.82596140Romanians
17.94900833Greek
18.18297280Extremadura
18.22950630Bulgarian
18.93919745Portuguese
19.69885530Murcia
20.42285240Castilla_Y_Leon
20.55231617Andalucia
20.58414195Spaniards
20.80252148Canarias
20.95075416French
20.95902908Cataluna
21.05509914Sicilian
21.17245616S_Italian_Sicilian
21.30932190French
21.88786193Spanish

 
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Balkans_IA is modeled as Slovenian_IA plus Aegean_BA/IA. If anything, populations like Log4 and Log2 who would be closer to Slovenian_IA mixed with Aegean people to create the Balkans IA
 
And where is that sample Slovenian_IA? I haven't seen any Slovenian_IA sample before?
 
Distance to:Balkan_(Bulgaria)_IA:I5769:Mathieson_2018
5.97005863C_Italian
7.83121319Tuscan
9.06121405Sicilian
9.15518979TSI30
9.44646495S_Italian_Sicilian
12.06840089O_Italian
12.69731074Greek
13.67207738Ashkenazi
14.24926665Ashkenazy_Jews
16.28460930Sephardic_Jews
16.29218217North_Italian
16.76432820N_Italian
17.58261926Morocco_Jews
25.69042039Baleares
25.95176873Bulgarians
26.11159704Cypriots
26.49297454Bulgarian
27.47030579Romanians
27.68851206Andalucia
27.74512029Canarias
27.78383883Murcia
27.96418960Galicia
28.37079660Extremadura
29.05719188Portuguese
30.06958097Castilla_Y_Leon

Given that Stuvane is at a distance of 4 from Log2, clearly Romagna wasn't included. :)

Nice job.

Glad someone provided a really big study of the yDna in Albania. It certainly explains an approximately 20% combined Slavic and "Germanic" input, with the Germanic portion being roughly about 1/3. Unlike autosomal dna, where you can get the "picture" of the cluster from not many samples, with yDna the more samples the better, as we all know.
 
Distance to:Bronze_Age_Illyrians
4.09920724N_Italian
7.16161993North_Italian
7.52141609O_Italian
7.74102706TSI30
9.37360656Tuscan
12.29670688C_Italian
15.79831953Baleares
17.31780875Galicia
17.77266722Bulgarians
17.82596140Romanians
17.94900833Greek
18.18297280Extremadura
18.22950630Bulgarian
18.93919745Portuguese
19.69885530Murcia
20.42285240Castilla_Y_Leon
20.55231617Andalucia
20.58414195Spaniards
20.80252148Canarias
20.95075416French
20.95902908Cataluna
21.05509914Sicilian
21.17245616S_Italian_Sicilian
21.30932190French
21.88786193Spanish

Are N_Italian and North_Italian from different areas?
 
Are N_Italian and North_Italian from different areas?

North Italian is the academic HGDP sample which consists of a small group specifically from Bergamo.

N Italian are volunteers to Dodecad from Northern Italy. In the early days of the project there was a thread where people could state where they were from...otherwise, Dienekes respected their privacy. All four grandparents had to come from that region.

From the ones I remember responding, quite a few were still from Lombardia, just further south, one was from the northeast if I remember correctly, but no one from Emilia or Romagna or Liguria that I remember.


Fwiw, the samples are very similar, with the non-academic sample being just slightly more "northern", probably because of the Veneto sample.

'K12b' spreadsheet - Google Sheets
 
Are N_Italian and North_Italian from different areas?

in regards to this ................I like to mention what I was told about it 5 plus years ago

the tested "illyrians" in that chart above had also O_Italians which is .....Other Italians ..............ie, Italians that come from areas which is not Italy today , but was Italian centuries ago, like Istria, Dalmatia, part of french riviera etc


note
TSI30 and Tuscan are both from Tuscany ...............unsure what the difference is


anyway you might see some etruscan-Illyrian noted samples moving forward in time
 
Distance to:Bronze_Age_Illyrians
4.09920724N_Italian
7.16161993North_Italian
7.52141609O_Italian
7.74102706TSI30
9.37360656Tuscan
12.29670688C_Italian
15.79831953Baleares
17.31780875Galicia
17.77266722Bulgarians
17.82596140Romanians
17.94900833Greek
18.18297280Extremadura
18.22950630Bulgarian
18.93919745Portuguese
19.69885530Murcia
20.42285240Castilla_Y_Leon
20.55231617Andalucia
20.58414195Spaniards
20.80252148Canarias
20.95075416French
20.95902908Cataluna
21.05509914Sicilian
21.17245616S_Italian_Sicilian
21.30932190French
21.88786193Spanish

which Illyrian sample is this.......waht is the sample ID ?


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For what it is worth
to compare with myself...............I was told by DNATribes in 2012 ....that I was Balkar ( north Caucasus ) and became North-Pannonian ( austria-hungary ) when my line entered Europe
Distance to:Torziok12b
7.31461551N_Italian
9.24966341
O_Italian
10.73141650North_Italian
12.22643039TSI30
13.80326773Tuscan
16.01512098C_Italian
16.27628950Romanians
16.46947479Baleares
17.05822969Galicia
17.07617053Bulgarian
17.12228373Bulgarians
17.86829035Extremadura
17.92111604French
18.08995578French
18.38292414Portuguese
20.19489044Murcia
20.45467184Castilla_Y_Leon
20.48964617Cataluna
20.55820031Greek
20.81762715Spaniards
21.12570946Canarias
21.59592091Andalucia
21.69443477English_mixed
21.78016988Spanish
22.99629535Mixed_Germanic


Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 0.8834% / 0.88335520 | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.2
N_Italian
21.8German
21.8O_Italian
3.2Tajiks



 
note
TSI30 and Tuscan are both from Tuscany ...............unsure what the difference is

TSI is a subset used by Metspalu of TSI, from unknown locality in the province of Florence, Tuscan is Tuscan HGDP, according to CEPH it's from the province of Grosseto (Colline Metallifere).


North Italian is the academic HGDP sample which consists of a small group specifically from Bergamo.

N Italian are volunteers to Dodecad from Northern Italy. In the early days of the project there was a thread where people could state where they were from...otherwise, Dienekes respected their privacy. All four grandparents had to come from that region.

From the ones I remember responding, quite a few were still from Lombardia, just further south, one was from the northeast if I remember correctly, but no one from Emilia or Romagna or Liguria that I remember.


Fwiw, the samples are very similar, with the non-academic sample being just slightly more "northern", probably because of the Veneto sample.

'K12b' spreadsheet - Google Sheets


In N_Italian_D (N_Italian_Dodecad), based on 5 individuals, there is also at least one Friulian, to my knowledge.
 
TSI is a subset used by Metspalu of TSI, from unknown locality in the province of Florence, Tuscan is Tuscan HGDP, according to CEPH it's from the province of Grosseto (Colline Metallifere).





In N_Italian_D (N_Italian_Dodecad), based on 5 individuals, there is also at least one Friulian, to my knowledge.

Yes, I know exactly who you mean. He's why they're a bit more "north" than the HGDP sample.

There are other academic sources for Northern Italy, but they were published after Dienekes stopped updating the calculator.
 
good post by michaelis from anthrogenica (y)
so i share it
.

Averaged HRV IA and BGR IA under assumption you'll get a fair Balkans IA centroid that way. The Sclaveni probably already had a lot of this ancestry before entering Greece IMO.

Avar Szolad for the northern Euro ancestry in the Sclaveni.

Emporiote and Balkans IA might be somewhat interchangeable here for obvious reasons. BGR IA already had quite a bit of affinity to Mycenaeans/Emporiotes anyway. There might have been a cline in antiquity from Balkans IA-like in most of the Balkans to more Mycenaean-like as you neared Greece itself
.




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good post by michaelis from anthrogenica (y)
so i share it
.

Averaged HRV IA and BGR IA under assumption you'll get a fair Balkans IA centroid that way. The Sclaveni probably already had a lot of this ancestry before entering Greece IMO.

Avar Szolad for the northern Euro ancestry in the Sclaveni.

Emporiote and Balkans IA might be somewhat interchangeable here for obvious reasons. BGR IA already had quite a bit of affinity to Mycenaeans/Emporiotes anyway. There might have been a cline in antiquity from Balkans IA-like in most of the Balkans to more Mycenaean-like as you neared Greece itself
.




hWAmiIw.png

Why would these be good choices for admixture?

There’s duplication in three out of the four samples , for one thing.
 
Why would these be good choices for admixture?

There’s duplication in three out of the four samples , for one thing.


it is damn hard for me to protect his method
but since the lazaridis paper with the marathon sample is not published yet
and we dont have the danubian limes bam files of the balkan bronze age cluster yet

he took the sources that might be resonable to creat for alike sources :unsure:


his explanations:

Averaged HRV IA and BGR IA under assumption you'll get a fair Balkans IA centroid that way
. The Sclaveni probably already had a lot of this ancestry before entering Greece IMO.

Avar Szolad for the northern Euro ancestry in the Sclaveni.

Emporiote and Balkans IA might be somewhat interchangeable here for obvious reasons. BGR IA already had quite a bit of affinity to Mycenaeans/Emporiotes anyway. There might have been a cline in antiquity from Balkans IA-like in most of the Balkans to more Mycenaean-like as you neared Greece itself.
 
good post by michaelis from anthrogenica (y)
so i share it
.

Averaged HRV IA and BGR IA under assumption you'll get a fair Balkans IA centroid that way. The Sclaveni probably already had a lot of this ancestry before entering Greece IMO.

Avar Szolad for the northern Euro ancestry in the Sclaveni.

Emporiote and Balkans IA might be somewhat interchangeable here for obvious reasons. BGR IA already had quite a bit of affinity to Mycenaeans/Emporiotes anyway. There might have been a cline in antiquity from Balkans IA-like in most of the Balkans to more Mycenaean-like as you neared Greece itself
.




hWAmiIw.png


Are you using the term Schlaveni as the origins of Slavs from Ukraine, Belarus and slovakia lands ................or are you adding polish Wends and Silesians ??
 

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