E-V13 in Northern Italy

[Riverman]

I really don't know where the samples came from, that's why I was also asking myself. Even near Genoa there are valleys with villages that have been isolated for centuries. Maybe Angela knows.

If you look at the Corsican paper, it has for some sites less than 5 samples. Obviously that's not nearly enough to use it for percentages. Its probably ok for ancient DNA, if there just isn't more available, but for moderns, its a really small sample size. Even for a rather small island like Corsica.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6070208/

 

[Pax Augusta]

If you look at the Corsican paper, it has for some sites less than 5 samples. Obviously that's not nearly enough to use it for percentages. Its probably ok for ancient DNA, if there just isn't more available, but for moderns, its a really small sample size. Even for a rather small island like Corsica.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6070208/

I don't know if the set of Corsican samples, that has been released and you can download, comes from this study, but it is a really nice set, out of 16 individuals, 4 do not seem to be fully Corsican, with at least one ending up among the Germans and French, and three others far north of what looks like the Corsican cluster.

 

[torzio]

I support a Northern Italian origin for the plurality of E-V13 in modern Italy.
E-V13 became a minor line (~5%) with Northern Italian migration in central Italy during and after the Middle Ages.

https://beyondforeignness.org/8011

There is more E-V22 in north italy than E-V13

 

[Riverman]

https://beyondforeignness.org/8011
There is more E-V22 in north italy than E-V13

Strange idea, where do you got it from? The link doesn't provide any information on that.

 

[Parapolitikos]

I am guessing that slavery payed as much a role in dispersing E-v13 as colonization.

 

[Riverman]

I am guessing that slavery payed as much a role in dispersing E-v13 as colonization.

In some regions it might have, as Thracian slaves, mercenaries, artisans and traders being widespread. But I don't think that this is the main source anywhere, because of the specific concentrations. We know however that just like Levantine admixture, some Thracian admixture came with slaves, the most prominent examples being the two leaders of the biggest slave rebellions in the Servile Wars, one being Thracian (Spartacus), the other Syrian (Eunus):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servile_Wars

 

[Angela]

Have I ever seen so much speculation based on absolutely no foundation? If I have, it's close.

 

[vika7]

E-V13 seems to very balkan like