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    K30 calculator in geneplazza

    It cost me 10 euro
    Look like suprvised admixture
    World regions based on shared allells
    https://www.geneplaza.com/
    REGION POPULATION

    Mediterranean
    43.59%
    Mediteranean-Western (Spanish)
    30.19%

    Mediteranean-Eastern (Greeks, Albanians, Kosovo)
    13.4%

    West-Asia & North-Africa
    34.62%
    Asian-West2 (Iraqi Jews)
    19.7%

    Asian-Southwest (Bedouin B, Saudi)
    7.91%

    Asian-West1 (Georgians)
    7.32%

    African-North (Mozabite)
    0.3%

    Europe
    15.15%
    Slavic-Eastern (Belarusians, Ukrainians)
    15.15%

    European-West (Basque)
    0%
    Scandanavian (Swedes)
    0%
    European-Northwest (Scott, French, English)
    0%
    Baltic (Latvian, Estonian, Lithuanian)
    0%
    Slavic-Southern (Bosnian, Serbian, Montenegrin)
    0%

    Central-Asia
    1.97%
    Asian-Central-West2 (Turkmens)
    1.97%

    Asian-Central-East3 (Uyghur)
    0%
    Asian-Central-East2 (Kyrgis)
    0%
    Asian-Central-East1 (Tajikistani Tajiks)
    0%
    Asian-Central-West1 (Bashkirs)
    0%

    Siberia & America
    0%
    Native-American-C (Mayans, Mixe)
    0%
    Native-American-S (Karitiana, Surui, & Quechua)
    0%
    Polar (Aleutians, Eskimos)
    0%
    Siberian-East (Yakut)
    0%
    Siberian-Central (Nganasan)
    0%
    Siberian-West (Mansi)
    0%

    Africa
    0%
    African-West (Esan, Gambian, Yoruba)
    0%
    African-East (Hadza, Luhya, Luo)
    0%

    East-Asia
    0%
    Asian-Southeast (Burmese, Cambodian)
    0%
    Asian-East (Han, She, Tu)
    0%

    Australians, Papuans
    0%
    Australians, Papuans
    0%

    South-Asia
    4.62%
    Asian-Southcentral (Brahui)
    4.62%

    Asian-South (Gujarati C & D)
    0%


    forget the map ( don't know why they put iraqi jews in crimea instead of iraq)

    https://i.imgur.com/VIzKgOg.png




    P.s
    Except for the spanish look logic
    In k29 there was sicilian reference( i scored 36%) which is
    Not in k30 i assume most of those allells moved to the spanish
    Last edited by kingjohn; 07-09-21 at 18:11.

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    Curiosity satisfied and test done.
    I'm not sure I fully understand how it works.
    I get this grid with the following values.




    Moving the cursor over the circular graph I see other values and components merged differently (are these other possible oracles?)


    Inner ring
    - 53.65% Europe
    - 46.2% Mediterranean
    - 0.25% Siberia & America


    Outer ring
    - 20.1% Scadanavian (Swedes)
    - 19.43% European North-West (Scott, French, English)
    - 14.1% Slavic Eastern (Belarusian, Ukrainians)
    - 40.7% Mediterranean - Western (Spanish)
    - 5.94% Mediterranean - Eastern (Greeks, Albanians, Kosovo)
    -0.25% Native Americans-S (Karitiana, Surui & Quechua)


    Overall it seems to me that it reports some pretty similar results to Dodecad k7b, Familytree, Adntro and DNA.Land.
    What perplexes me is the absence of an Italian reference population, assuming that they are always the result of admixture from other groups...

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    The outer ring is a sample results
    Of a random european ignore it
    Look at the values to me it look logic
    In your case the east med ( greeks albanians kosovo) + west med ( spanish )
    Is maybe your southern european admixture
    The (swede +basque) is your northern influence
    As a north italian...
    The georgian could be west asian admixture
    Like chg or iran neolithic to some extent

    P.s
    I agree it would be better if there was
    Italian reference
    But as you say they are themselfs mixed
    For 10 euro i say fair...
    It look to me like dna tribes from back in the day

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    Just one quibble.
    "Mediterranean-Eastern" and "Mediterranean-Western" are shown as separate categories but should come under the "Europe" heading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    Curiosity satisfied and test done.
    I'm not sure I fully understand how it works.
    I get this grid with the following values.




    Moving the cursor over the circular graph I see other values and components merged differently (are these other possible oracles?)


    Inner ring
    - 53.65% Europe
    - 46.2% Mediterranean
    - 0.25% Siberia & America


    Outer ring
    - 20.1% Scadanavian (Swedes)
    - 19.43% European North-West (Scott, French, English)
    - 14.1% Slavic Eastern (Belarusian, Ukrainians)
    - 40.7% Mediterranean - Western (Spanish)
    - 5.94% Mediterranean - Eastern (Greeks, Albanians, Kosovo)
    -0.25% Native Americans-S (Karitiana, Surui & Quechua)


    Overall it seems to me that it reports some pretty similar results to Dodecad k7b, Familytree, Adntro and DNA.Land.
    What perplexes me is the absence of an Italian reference population, assuming that they are always the result of admixture from other groups...
    My pie chart is totally wrong on both PC as smartphone. On the PC the displayed results spreadsheet, that I post below, has some logic but the spreadsheet that is displayed on the smartphone and the respective pie chart has no logic at all. Imagine me, 20.1% Swedish, 19.43% English and 14.1% Slavic. lol

    PC spreadsheet:



    Smartphone Spreadsheet and pie chart




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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    My pie chart is totally wrong on both PC as ******. On the PC the displayed results spreadsheet, that I post below, has some logic but the spreadsheet that is displayed on the ****** and the respective pie chart has no logic at all. Imagine me, 20.1% Swedish, 19.43% English and 14.1% Slavic. lol
    PC spreadsheet:

    ****** Spreadsheet and pie chart


    Great results
    Look at your pc chart this the real
    Very much inline with your ancestery
    High spanish ( inline with portuguase ancestery)
    The (sweedes+ british) shared celtic or northern genes
    The small % (african + amerindian) could be
    Admixture in white brazilians
    Cool results and thanks for sharing

    P.s
    Personally for me the 4 % barhui
    I score could be some eastern element
    In my syrian jew grandfather...
    Maybe also the 19% iraqi jew i score...
    Maybe this can recognize componrnts better than my origins 3.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    Great results
    Look at your pc chart this the real
    Very much inline with your ancestery
    High spanish ( inline with portuguase ancestery)
    The (sweedes+ british) shared celtic or northern genes
    The small % (african + amerindian) could be
    Admixture in white brazilians
    Cool results and thanks for sharing
    P.s
    Personally for me the 4 % barhui
    I score could be some eastern element
    In my syrian jew grandfather...
    Maybe also the 19% iraqi jew i score...
    Maybe this can recognize componrnts better than my origins 3.0
    Thanks You are always welcome Kingjohn. There is a bug in the app that needs to be fixed. On the PC the pie chart displayed is those given as an example of the result ("PREVIEW APP - These are not your results, but those from a random sample!") and is by this the results on pie chart differ from the spreadsheet. On PC, supposily, the results on speadsheet are the correct. By other hand, On the smartphone the client results are not displayed, or that is, instead of my sample, the result of the random sample (example sample) is displayed. See a screenshot of the app for sale showing the randon sample.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Thanks You are always welcome Kingjohn. There is a bug in the app that needs to be fixed. On the PC the pie chart displayed is those given as an example of the result ("PREVIEW APP - These are not your results, but those from a random sample!") and is by this the results on pie chart differ from the spreadsheet. On PC, supposily, the results on speadsheet are the correct. By other hand, On the smartphone the client results are not displayed, or that is, instead of my sample, the result of the random sample (example sample) is displayed. See a screenshot of the app for sale showing the randon sample.
    Yes there is a confusion
    The ones with 62.84% iberian is yours

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    full cretan ( dont know from where in crete )

    Population
    Mediterranean
    68.19%
    Mediteranean-Eastern (Greeks, Albanians, Kosovo)
    45.4%

    Mediteranean-Western (Spanish)
    23.15%

    West-Asia & North-Africa
    28.25%
    Asian-West2 (Iraqi Jews)
    8.69%

    Asian-West1 (Georgians)
    8.35%

    Asian-Southwest (Bedouin B, Saudi)
    7.88%

    African-North (Mozabite)
    3.32%

    Central-Asia
    3.53%
    Asian-Central-West1 (Bashkirs)
    3.21%
    Asian-Central-West2 (Turkmens)
    0.31%

    Asian-Central-East1 (Tajikistani Tajiks)
    0%
    Asian-Central-East2 (Kyrgis)
    0%
    Asian-Central-East3 (Uyghur)
    0%
    Europe
    0%
    Slavic-Eastern (Belarusians, Ukrainians)
    0%
    Slavic-Southern (Bosnian, Serbian, Montenegrin)
    0%
    Baltic (Latvian, Estonian, Lithuanian)
    0%
    European-Northwest (Scott, French, English)
    0%
    European-West (Basque)
    0%
    Scandanavian (Swedes)
    0%
    Siberia & America
    0%
    Siberian-West (Mansi)
    0%
    Siberian-Central (Nganasan)
    0%
    Siberian-East (Yakut)
    0%
    Polar (Aleutians, Eskimos)
    0%
    Native-American-S (Karitiana, Surui, & Quechua)
    0%
    Native-American-C (Mayans, Mixe)
    0%
    East-Asia
    0%
    Asian-East (Han, She, Tu)
    0%
    Asian-Southeast (Burmese, Cambodian)
    0%
    Africa
    0%
    African-East (Hadza, Luhya, Luo)
    0%
    African-West (Esan, Gambian, Yoruba)
    0%
    South-Asia
    0%
    Asian-Southcentral (Brahui)
    0%
    Asian-South (Gujarati C & D)
    0%
    Australians, Papuans
    0%
    Australians, Papuans
    0%

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    Sorry to say, but I'm no longer much interested in modeling using strictly modern populations anymore.

    We know at the outset that this model is incorrect from the Limes paper we've been discussing, because we know that modern Cretans have 14% Slavic ancestry.

    What would be interesting, given that we have ancient samples from Crete, and ancient samples from Anatolia and also the Levant in the Iron Age, is to try modeling them with those samples, and then see if we need additional Imperial Era or post Imperial Era gene flow.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Sorry to say, but I'm no longer much interested in modeling using strictly modern populations anymore.

    We know at the outset that this model is incorrect from the Limes paper we've been discussing, because we know that modern Cretans have 14% Slavic ancestry.

    What would be interesting, given that we have ancient samples from Crete, and ancient samples from Anatolia and also the Levant in the Iron Age, is to try modeling them with those samples, and then see if we need additional Imperial Era or post Imperial Era gene flow.


    but i like dilwer khan calculators
    i paid almost to all his calculators in geneplazza
    i respect him very much
    and overall i think my results are logic
    and so does this cretan results above
    it is very likely that the slavic allells are hiding in his high greek albanian component
    in this calculator
    about using ancient populations agree that should be more presice
    but i can't help here because i don't know
    how to use nmonte and qpAdm tools

    the experts in anthrogenica know
    and maybe some other members here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Sorry to say, but I'm no longer much interested in modeling using strictly modern populations anymore.

    We know at the outset that this model is incorrect from the Limes paper we've been discussing, because we know that modern Cretans have 14% Slavic ancestry.

    What would be interesting, given that we have ancient samples from Crete, and ancient samples from Anatolia and also the Levant in the Iron Age, is to try modeling them with those samples, and then see if we need additional Imperial Era or post Imperial Era gene flow.
    Angela please make some inbox space. Really want to pick your brain on something curious.

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