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Thread: The origin and legacy of the Etruscans through a 2000-year archeogenomic time transec

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    Maybe this one is even better, Mycenaean I think also deserves a cline considering Magna Grecia, and the existence of Mycenaean-like Greeks in IA Campania.


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    Mine (Jovialis + Pax coordinates)


    Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    4.12127407 C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007
    5.96436920 C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_89 9-1021CE:TAQ009
    6.18798836 C.Italy_Early.Medieval:PoggioPelliccia(Grosseto_Tu scany)_772-960CE:POP001
    6.31981012 C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_89 5-1016CE:TAQ011
    6.68472139 C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_10 18-1151CE:TAQ022
    7.80932776 C.Italy_Imperial:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_89-236CE:TAQ020
    8.33039615 C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)_997-1149CE:ETR003
    9.15716659 C.Italy_Early.Medieval_undated:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscan y):ETR010
    9.72911096 R10343_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
    10.23210145 C.Italy_Etruscan:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_427-265BCE:CSN009
    10.26249970 S.Italy_Venosa_related:Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_ 672-800CE:VEN017
    10.50968601 S.Italy_Venosa:Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_650-800CE:VEN001
    10.54409788 C.Italy_Etruscan:Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_750-406BCE:VET001
    10.71946361 C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tusca ny):CSN005
    10.81554437 C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_72 9-942CE:TAQ003
    11.19209096 C.Italy_Etruscan_MAS001:Marsilianad'Albegna(Grosse to_Tuscany)_350-100BCE:MAS001
    11.35817327 C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)C899-1016CE:ETR013
    11.38123016 S.Italy_Venosa:Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_660-766CE:VEN008
    11.93949748 C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)_772-888CE:ETR006
    12.07552069 C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_ :TAQ006
    12.56003583 S.Italy_Venosa:Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_650-763CE:VEN006
    12.81852566 C.Italy_Etruscan:Volterra(Pisa_Tuscany)_200-60BCE:VOL001
    12.93006961 S.Italy_Venosa:Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_670-775CE:VEN013
    13.61044819 S.Italy_Venosa:Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_672-800CE:VEN016
    13.78004717 C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tusca ny):CSN008


    Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    Distance: 1.1366% / 1.13657090 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    78.3 C.Italy_Early.Medieval
    15.8 C.Italy_Etruscan
    3.6 S.Italy_Venosa_related
    2.3 C.Italy_Etruscan_undated



    Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    Distance: 0.4204% / 0.42043796
    22.6 S.Italy_Venosa
    21.9 C.Italy_Early.Medieval_ETR014
    17.6 R11102_Italy_bc-Pian_Sultano
    16.8 C.Italy_Etruscan.Ceu_related
    8.8 C.Italy_Etruscan.Ceu
    7.3
    3.0 S.Italy_Venosa_related
    1.3 C.Italy_Imperial
    0.7 C.Italy_Etruscan_undated


    Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    1.12689404 60.60% C.Italy_Early.Medieval_ETR014:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany )_977-1022CE:ETR014 + 39.40% C.Italy_Etruscan.Ceu:Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_3 60-200BCE:VET005
    1.23542618 16.80% C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tusca ny):CSN007 + 83.20% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007
    1.30867841 48.80% C.Italy_Etruscan.Ceu:CampigliadeiFoci(Siena_Tuscan y)_770-520BCE:CAM002 + 51.20% C.Italy_Early.Medieval_ETR014:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany )_977-1022CE:ETR014
    1.41108469 80.00% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007 + 20.00% C.Italy_Etruscan:Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_800-590BCE:VET003_4
    1.41749118 82.00% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007 + 18.00% C.Italy_Etruscan:Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_790-550BCE:VET002
    1.42406264 17.00% C.Italy_Etruscan:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_380-204BCE:CSN003 + 83.00% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007
    1.43225538 79.60% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007 + 20.40% C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio): TAQ013
    1.43996828 17.40% C.Italy_Etruscan:CampigliadeiFoci(Siena_Tuscany)_7 70-540BCE:CAM003 + 82.60% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007
    1.46331618 81.60% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007 + 18.40% C.Italy_Etruscan_related:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_ 346-51BCE:TAQ018
    1.47171959 79.40% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007 + 20.60% C.Italy_Etruscan:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_346-51BCE:TAQ015
    1.47207765 81.40% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007 + 18.60% C.Italy_Etruscan:PoggioRenzo(Siena_Tuscany)_794-543BCE:PRZ001
    1.48008046 19.00% C.Italy_Etruscan:CampigliadeiFoci(Siena_Tuscany)_7 80-540BCE:CAM001 + 81.00% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007
    1.48160962 84.40% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007 + 15.60% R11107_Italy_bc-Pian_Sultano
    1.50787067 20.40% C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tusca ny):CSN001 + 79.60% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007
    1.52675300 84.20% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007 + 15.80% C.Italy_Etruscan:Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_806-599BCE:VET007
    1.53143403 84.80% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007 + 15.20% C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio): TAQ012
    1.55451416 20.60% C.Italy_Etruscan:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)_805-774BCE:ETR005 + 79.40% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007
    1.58213074 84.60% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007 + 15.40% R11105_Italy_bc-Pian_Sultano
    1.59878732 82.00% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007 + 18.00% C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_ :TAQ004
    1.61070218 83.20% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007 + 16.80% R10359_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
    1.61668215 79.60% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007 + 20.40% C.Italy_Etruscan:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_103BCE-54CE:TAQ002
    1.63232723 81.20% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007 + 18.80% C.Italy_Etruscan:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_358-98BCE:TAQ019
    1.64022622 82.20% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007 + 17.80% C.Italy_Etruscan_related:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_ 356-96BCE:TAQ017
    1.64444785 20.80% C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tusca ny):CSN013 + 79.20% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007
    1.65482452 15.40% C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tusca ny):CSN004 + 84.60% C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007

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    In G25:
    Distance to: ITA_Chiusi_EMA
    0.01684813 Italian_Abruzzo
    0.01684848 Italian_Marche
    0.01959056 Italian_Apulia
    0.02005724 Italian_Umbria
    0.02058945 Italian_Molise
    0.02095955 Italian_Lazio
    0.02336779 Italian_Basilicata
    0.02484728 Italian_Tuscany
    0.02515773 Italian_Campania
    0.02642290 Sicilian_East
    0.02692627 Greek_Izmir
    0.02805450 Greek_Thessaly
    0.02839739 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.02983395 Sicilian_West
    0.02991190 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o
    0.03157958 Italian_Calabria
    0.03168379 Greek_Laconia
    0.03338691 Italian_Piedmont
    0.03527651 Greek_Crete
    0.03527716 French_Corsica
    0.03604280 Greek_Macedonia
    0.03651000 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
    0.03655507 Maltese
    0.03662124 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
    0.03669431 Albanian

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihype02 View Post
    In G25:
    Distance to: ITA_Chiusi_EMA
    0.01684813 Italian_Abruzzo
    0.01684848 Italian_Marche
    0.01959056 Italian_Apulia
    0.02005724 Italian_Umbria
    0.02058945 Italian_Molise
    0.02095955 Italian_Lazio
    0.02336779 Italian_Basilicata
    0.02484728 Italian_Tuscany
    0.02515773 Italian_Campania
    0.02642290 Sicilian_East
    0.02692627 Greek_Izmir
    0.02805450 Greek_Thessaly
    0.02839739 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.02983395 Sicilian_West
    0.02991190 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o
    0.03157958 Italian_Calabria
    0.03168379 Greek_Laconia
    0.03338691 Italian_Piedmont
    0.03527651 Greek_Crete
    0.03527716 French_Corsica
    0.03604280 Greek_Macedonia
    0.03651000 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
    0.03655507 Maltese
    0.03662124 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
    0.03669431 Albanian

    Is ITA_Chiusi_EMA an average? On how many and which samples is this average based? In the G25 individual spredsheet there are only 5 and it also includes an outlier, but the samples in the study are many more, I think 9 or 10 (I'm going from memory), and the outlier should be removed from the overall average.

    The G25 works quite differently from Dodecad K12b, G25 is based on 25 components that we know nothing about (Do 25 components really exist? I think not), and many other aspects that do not make the G25 totally credible either. As far as I am concerned, the whole part of the Posht 2021 paper from the imperial era onwards remains the least credible part of the paper. For so many reasons. Lack of samples and all that. In my opinion, the samples from the imperial and medieval periods that are used in the study are still insufficient to draw conclusions. Not only because of the number but also because of the geographical origin of these samples compared to the modern population.


    Doing a PCA with all the G25 samples this is the position. An insane position.


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    It's called transparency, which many people in this "hobby" don't practice, but which the academics, at least, have to provide, so you can see where they went wrong.


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    Stuvane's closest match, an EMA Etruscan:
    Distance to: C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007
    3.59398108 Albanian_Kosovo
    3.92285610 Greek_Thessaly
    4.19192080 Macedonian_South
    4.47730946 Greek_Thrace
    4.88575480 Macedonian_Vardar
    5.11480205 Albanian
    5.73157919 Greek_Thessaloniki
    5.75122596 Greek_Macedonia
    5.83864710 Italian_Umbria
    6.06705860 Bulgarian_Thrace
    6.07998355 Italian_Lazio
    6.24148220 Italian_Romagna
    6.33275611 Macedonian_East
    6.82360608 Macedonian_Polog
    6.88374898 Turk_Makedonya
    7.09847871 Greek_Peloponnese
    7.12030196 Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje
    7.44261271 Italian_Marche
    7.87724571 Italian_Tuscany
    7.89558104 Bulgarian_East
    7.98430335 Moldovan_Gagauz
    8.39036948 Greek_Central
    8.58901624 Italian_Emilia
    8.66392521 Italian_Friuli_VG
    8.87625484 Italian_Liguria

    Are Albania and Greece East Med now? I have a feeling that's not what the authors of the paper meant.

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    This should be the complete list of all samples from mainland Italy + Sicily dated between 1000 and 1 BC. I also took the liberty of dividing them into macro-clusters.

    Code:
    Cluster_1:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia_o:R10337,8.39,0,4.23,0.02,14.92,0,0,1.82,26.08,0.60,43.93,0.02
    Cluster_2:ITA_Sicily_LBA:I3876,0.3,0.4,2.74,0.69,45.89,7.84,0,0,8.73,0,32.68,0.73
    Cluster_3:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o:R437,5.89,0,2.61,0,32.88,11.52,0,0,11.42,0.47,34.68,0.53
    Cluster_4:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia_Afr1:TAQ007,3.25,0.65,8.19,0,33.36,6.55,0.82,0,13.72,0.07,31.87,1.52
    Cluster_5:ITA_Etruscan_Afr2:R475,0,0,12.34,0,38.51,11.99,0.78,2.01,11.21,0,22.39,0.77
    Cluster_5:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia_Afr2:TAQ023,0.11,0,9.86,0,38.6,11.68,0.88,1.34,10.18,0,26.04,1.31
    Cluster_5:ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia_Afr2:VET008,0.41,0,8.27,0,38.29,9.06,0,1.75,12.78,0.04,28.42,0.99
    Cluster_6:ITA_Daunian1_low_res:ORD019,1.73,0,0.9,0,38.01,22.88,2.51,0,0,0,33.46,0.52
    Cluster_7:ITA_Daunian2_low_res:SAL003,0,0,1.91,0,39.06,17.5,0,0,7.93,0,33.23,0.38
    Cluster_7:ITA_Daunian2_low_res:SGR003,2.69,0,1.74,2.68,40.79,15.65,0,1.55,7.31,0,27.6,0
    Cluster_8:ITA_Etruscan_Marsiliana:MAS001,7.2,0.84,4.18,0,26.73,30.23,1.6,0.6,6.25,1.12,21.08,0.18
    Cluster_8:ITA_Daunian3_low_res:ORD001,2.13,0,3.17,1.09,29.5,31.57,0,0.75,9.39,1.76,20.64,0
    Cluster_9:ITA_Daunian4_low_res:ORD006,0,0,0,2.54,41.99,25.03,0,0,8.55,0,21.11,0.78
    Cluster_9:ITA_Daunian4_low_res:ORD011,0,0,0,0,41.49,23.76,0,0,8.92,0.98,24.85,0
    Cluster_9:ITA_Daunian:ORD009,4.03,0.65,1.42,0.98,38.29,23.77,0,0,7.95,0,22.52,0.39
    Cluster_9:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10343,3.53,0,0.89,0.50,42.32,22.36,0,0.20,6.37,0,23.83,0
    Cluster_9:ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VET001,1.52,0,2.24,1.15,42.15,23.87,0,1.18,6.3,0,21.57,0
    Cluster_10:ITA_Proto-Villanovan:R1,4.87,1.72,1.2,0,34.92,26.41,0,0,5.74,0,24.51,0.64
    Cluster_11:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN009,2.52,0,2.03,0,39.86,27.95,0,0,2.52,0.43,23.93,0.75
    Cluster_11:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ006,1.18,0,3.59,0,42.96,25.05,0.15,0,2.83,0,24.24,0
    Cluster_11:ITA_Etruscan_Marsiliana:MAS004,1.12,0,0.85,0,44.63,29.23,0,0,1.36,1.35,21.46,0
    Cluster_11:ITA_Daunian5_low_res:ORD004,0,0,0,0,44.67,29.85,0,0,0.14,0,22.4,2.95
    Cluster_11:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN002,0,0.36,0,0,41.12,32.35,0,0,0,0,26.17,0
    Cluster_12:ITA_Etruscan_PoggioRenzo:PRZ002,0,0,2.6,0.54,47.1,27.43,0,0,4.06,1.06,17.2,0
    Cluster_12:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10363,1.29,0.37,1.15,0.50,45.66,26.89,0.46,0,5.41,0,17.79,0.48
    Cluster_12:ITA_Daunian6_low_res:SGR002,1.02,0.6,2.92,0,45.47,29.36,0,0.66,5.54,0,14.06,0.37
    Cluster_12:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA:R435,4.6,0.48,1.22,0,46.59,28.92,0.06,0,4.14,0,13.22,0.77
    Cluster_12:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10340,3.72,0,0,0,47.09,27.17,0,0.38,3.98,0.96,16.09,0.61
    Cluster_12:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10361,3.60,0,0.51,0.44,47.07,28.51,0,0,3.73,0.34,15.32,0.48
    Cluster_12:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN005,1.48,0,4.65,0,39.23,28.19,0.65,0,6.11,0.54,19.16,0
    Cluster_12:ITA_Daunian6_low_res:ORD014,0,2.06,4.08,0,43.2,28.47,0.29,0,2.97,0,18.93,0
    Cluster_12:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN008,4.93,0,0,0.4,43.71,27.95,0,0,4.16,0,18.84,0
    Cluster_12:ITA_Etruscan_Civitavecchia:R474,6.73,0,1.43,0.32,39.73,25.66,0,0.13,5.53,0,19.64,0.85
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN007,0,0,0,0.5,50.29,20.45,0,0,10.86,0,17.91,0
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Chiusi:ETR005,2,0,0,1.54,45.54,20.52,0.17,0,9.35,1.02,18.73,1.13
    Cluster_13:ITA_Daunian7_low_res:SAL007,4.63,0,0,0,53.35,16.94,0,0,6.74,0,18.34,0
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ012,3.32,0,1.79,0,51.8,17.96,0.72,0,7.3,0,16.79,0.33
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN003,0.97,0.01,2,0,49.14,21.97,1.05,0,7.95,0.53,15.93,0.45
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN004,1.49,0,2.17,0.71,51.75,19.41,0.13,0,5.2,0,18.21,0.93
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VET007,0,0,2.57,0.68,51.02,20.09,0.22,0,6.74,0.42,17.63,0.63
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ018,0,0,0.47,0,48.53,20.84,0.43,0,6.5,1.43,20.91,0.89
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VET002,0.77,1.24,2.59,0,48.74,18.77,0,0,7.8,0.08,20.03,0
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10359,2.99,0.05,0,0.53,50.17,22.59,0,0,5.48,0,17.89,0.30
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ008,4.27,1.3,0.28,0.84,49.67,21.5,0,0,3.99,0,17.53,0.63
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ017,4.08,0,1.96,0,48.92,20.11,0,0,5.6,0,19.12,0.21
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Magliano:MAG001,0.84,0,0,0,47.05,24.88,0.37,0.08,3.46,0.47,22.84,0.02
    Cluster_13:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA:R851,1.08,0,1.52,0,49.35,25.19,0,0,1.78,0,20.65,0.44
    Cluster_13:ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA:R1021,1.77,0,0.94,0.76,48.63,23.97,0,0.15,1.54,0,21.8,0.44
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10338,1.43,0,1.33,1.31,45.54,24.78,0,0,5.23,0,20.20,0.17
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Volterrra:VOL001,0.94,0,1.77,0,44.5,24.66,0.61,0.03,5.61,0,21.4,0.48
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10344,0,0,1.23,0,46.50,22.77,0,0.45,5.62,0,23.36,0.06
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ002,0,0,1.15,0.26,46.51,23.88,0,0,5.81,0,21.27,1.12
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VEU001,0,0,1.86,2.69,45.76,22.07,0,0.83,3.79,0,23.01,0
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Campiglia:CAM003,0.93,0.04,0.79,0,49.21,23.83,0,0,7,0.18,16.98,1.04
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_PoggioRenzo:PRZ001,1.55,0.11,0,0,48.41,23.78,0,0,6.08,0.13,19.22,0.71
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ004,1.71,0.66,0.95,0.36,48.5,23.89,0,0,5.59,0,17.87,0.48
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Campiglia:CAM001,1.38,0.19,1.2,0,47.62,24.58,0,0,6.88,0,17.87,0.27
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ016,2.43,0,1.67,0,46.91,24.12,0.84,0,5.34,0,18.06,0.63
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ010,0,0,1.32,0.05,48.43,24.81,0.71,0,4.04,0,20.41,0.24
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ019,0.49,0,2.18,0,47.66,24.5,0.17,0,5.48,0.04,19.27,0.21
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN001,0.74,0,1.6,0.73,46.5,23.83,0,0,7.19,0,19.25,0.16
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Civitavecchia:R473,1.01,0.23,0.57,0,47.29,22.71,0,0.37,6.95,0.11,20.11,0.66
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ013,2.83,1.64,1.78,0,46.46,21.33,0,0,6.68,0,19.04,0.23
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ015,1.72,0,2.42,0,46.31,21.99,0,0,6.46,0.63,19.66,0.81
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VET003_4,1.33,0,2.66,0,47.08,21.2,0.25,0.26,7.04,0.15,20.03,0
    Cluster_13:ITA_Villanovan:R1015,1.64,0.26,2.62,0.01,48.21,21.4,0,0,5.06,0,20.64,0.16
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ024,1.55,0.2,4.01,0.27,46.92,21.83,0,0.36,4.57,0,20.29,0
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VET010,0,0,4.61,0.76,48.22,21.92,0.27,0,3.53,0,20.12,0.57
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ001,2.36,0,4.12,0.57,47.15,23.95,0,0,4.6,0,17.25,0
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN006,3.62,0,0,1.53,45.77,24.02,0.29,0,4.9,0,19.6,0.27
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN013,4.87,0,0.54,0,45.93,21.96,0.41,0,5.92,0.25,19.55,0.57
    Cluster_13:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA:R1016,3.25,1.53,0.94,0,47.98,19.32,1.2,0,3.3,0,22.38,0.1
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    Cluster_16:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN012,7.01,0,10.55,0,41.84,29.45,0,0,0,0,11.15,0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Er Monnezza View Post
    This should be the complete list of all samples from mainland Italy + Sicily dated between 1000 and 1 BC. I also took the liberty of dividing them into macro-clusters.
    Thank you very much, but can you also publish them without clusters? Clusters can add confusion.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    Is ITA_Chiusi_EMA an average? On how many and which samples is this average based? In the G25 individual spredsheet there are only 5 and it also includes an outlier, but the samples in the study are many more, I think 9 or 10 (I'm going from memory), and the outlier should be removed from the overall average.

    The G25 works quite differently from Dodecad K12b, G25 is based on 25 components that we know nothing about (Do 25 components really exist? I think not), and many other aspects that do not make the G25 totally credible either. As far as I am concerned, the whole part of the Posht 2021 paper from the imperial era onwards remains the least credible part of the paper. For so many reasons. Lack of samples and all that. In my opinion, the samples from the imperial and medieval periods that are used in the study are still insufficient to draw conclusions. Not only because of the number but also because of the geographical origin of these samples compared to the modern population.


    Doing a PCA with all the G25 samples this is the position. An insane position.

    There is one outlier which is Cretan-like not sure from which region that is, but it surely should get removed from the average if it was included.

    Not sure how the PCA was made but the average basically fits in the Italian cluster how is that an insane position?

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    ETR007 in G25:
    Distance to: ITA_Chiusi_EMA:ETR007
    0.03202473 Italian_Tuscany
    0.03447627 Italian_Marche
    0.03523971 Greek_Thessaly
    0.03525043 Italian_Piedmont
    0.03597057 Swiss_Italian
    0.03613625 Italian_Umbria
    0.03967076 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.03987751 Greek_Macedonia
    0.04013909 Italian_Liguria
    0.04027853 Albanian
    0.04144553 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.04164202 Italian_Veneto
    0.04170949 French_Corsica
    0.04198144 Rumelia_East
    0.04206895 Italian_Abruzzo
    0.04213203 Italian_Lombardy
    0.04311866 Italian_Lazio
    0.04352823 Italian_Molise
    0.04397341 Italian_Bergamo
    0.04409764 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o
    0.04516043 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    0.04559155 Greek_Izmir
    0.04565748 Gagauz
    0.04583179 Italian_Northeast
    0.04604215 Greek_Laconia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    Thank you very much, but can you also publish them without clusters? Clusters can add confusion.
    Of course. I hope it's all of them.

    Code:
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    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ002,0,0,1.15,0.26,46.51,23.88,0,0,5.81,0,21.27,1.12
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ004,1.71,0.66,0.95,0.36,48.5,23.89,0,0,5.59,0,17.87,0.48
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ005,1.39,0.44,5.14,0,46.29,17.75,0.22,0.33,8.86,0.41,18.68,0.49
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ006,1.18,0,3.59,0,42.96,25.05,0.15,0,2.83,0,24.24,0
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    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ012,3.32,0,1.79,0,51.8,17.96,0.72,0,7.3,0,16.79,0.33
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    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ016,2.43,0,1.67,0,46.91,24.12,0.84,0,5.34,0,18.06,0.63
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    ITA_Rome_Latini_IA:R1016,3.25,1.53,0.94,0,47.98,19.32,1.2,0,3.3,0,22.38,0.1
    ITA_Sicily_LBA:I3876,0.3,0.4,2.74,0.69,45.89,7.84,0,0,8.73,0,32.68,0.73
    ITA_Villanovan:R1015,1.64,0.26,2.62,0.01,48.21,21.4,0,0,5.06,0,20.64,0.16
    Last edited by Er Monnezza; 12-08-22 at 12:00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Er Monnezza View Post
    Of course. I hope it's all of them.
    Thank you, I will check later if they are all there, but it seems so.








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    Quote Originally Posted by Er Monnezza View Post
    This should be the complete list of all samples from mainland Italy + Sicily dated between 1000 and 1 BC. I also took the liberty of dividing them into macro-clusters.

    Code:
    Cluster_1:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia_o:R10337,8.39,0,4.23,0.02,14.92,0,0,1.82,26.08,0.60,43.93,0.02
    Cluster_2:ITA_Sicily_LBA:I3876,0.3,0.4,2.74,0.69,45.89,7.84,0,0,8.73,0,32.68,0.73
    Cluster_3:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o:R437,5.89,0,2.61,0,32.88,11.52,0,0,11.42,0.47,34.68,0.53
    Cluster_4:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia_Afr1:TAQ007,3.25,0.65,8.19,0,33.36,6.55,0.82,0,13.72,0.07,31.87,1.52
    Cluster_5:ITA_Etruscan_Afr2:R475,0,0,12.34,0,38.51,11.99,0.78,2.01,11.21,0,22.39,0.77
    Cluster_5:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia_Afr2:TAQ023,0.11,0,9.86,0,38.6,11.68,0.88,1.34,10.18,0,26.04,1.31
    Cluster_5:ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia_Afr2:VET008,0.41,0,8.27,0,38.29,9.06,0,1.75,12.78,0.04,28.42,0.99
    Cluster_6:ITA_Daunian1_low_res:ORD019,1.73,0,0.9,0,38.01,22.88,2.51,0,0,0,33.46,0.52
    Cluster_7:ITA_Daunian2_low_res:SAL003,0,0,1.91,0,39.06,17.5,0,0,7.93,0,33.23,0.38
    Cluster_7:ITA_Daunian2_low_res:SGR003,2.69,0,1.74,2.68,40.79,15.65,0,1.55,7.31,0,27.6,0
    Cluster_8:ITA_Etruscan_Marsiliana:MAS001,7.2,0.84,4.18,0,26.73,30.23,1.6,0.6,6.25,1.12,21.08,0.18
    Cluster_8:ITA_Daunian3_low_res:ORD001,2.13,0,3.17,1.09,29.5,31.57,0,0.75,9.39,1.76,20.64,0
    Cluster_9:ITA_Daunian4_low_res:ORD006,0,0,0,2.54,41.99,25.03,0,0,8.55,0,21.11,0.78
    Cluster_9:ITA_Daunian4_low_res:ORD011,0,0,0,0,41.49,23.76,0,0,8.92,0.98,24.85,0
    Cluster_9:ITA_Daunian:ORD009,4.03,0.65,1.42,0.98,38.29,23.77,0,0,7.95,0,22.52,0.39
    Cluster_9:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10343,3.53,0,0.89,0.50,42.32,22.36,0,0.20,6.37,0,23.83,0
    Cluster_9:ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VET001,1.52,0,2.24,1.15,42.15,23.87,0,1.18,6.3,0,21.57,0
    Cluster_10:ITA_Proto-Villanovan:R1,4.87,1.72,1.2,0,34.92,26.41,0,0,5.74,0,24.51,0.64
    Cluster_11:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN009,2.52,0,2.03,0,39.86,27.95,0,0,2.52,0.43,23.93,0.75
    Cluster_11:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ006,1.18,0,3.59,0,42.96,25.05,0.15,0,2.83,0,24.24,0
    Cluster_11:ITA_Etruscan_Marsiliana:MAS004,1.12,0,0.85,0,44.63,29.23,0,0,1.36,1.35,21.46,0
    Cluster_11:ITA_Daunian5_low_res:ORD004,0,0,0,0,44.67,29.85,0,0,0.14,0,22.4,2.95
    Cluster_11:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN002,0,0.36,0,0,41.12,32.35,0,0,0,0,26.17,0
    Cluster_12:ITA_Etruscan_PoggioRenzo:PRZ002,0,0,2.6,0.54,47.1,27.43,0,0,4.06,1.06,17.2,0
    Cluster_12:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10363,1.29,0.37,1.15,0.50,45.66,26.89,0.46,0,5.41,0,17.79,0.48
    Cluster_12:ITA_Daunian6_low_res:SGR002,1.02,0.6,2.92,0,45.47,29.36,0,0.66,5.54,0,14.06,0.37
    Cluster_12:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA:R435,4.6,0.48,1.22,0,46.59,28.92,0.06,0,4.14,0,13.22,0.77
    Cluster_12:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10340,3.72,0,0,0,47.09,27.17,0,0.38,3.98,0.96,16.09,0.61
    Cluster_12:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10361,3.60,0,0.51,0.44,47.07,28.51,0,0,3.73,0.34,15.32,0.48
    Cluster_12:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN005,1.48,0,4.65,0,39.23,28.19,0.65,0,6.11,0.54,19.16,0
    Cluster_12:ITA_Daunian6_low_res:ORD014,0,2.06,4.08,0,43.2,28.47,0.29,0,2.97,0,18.93,0
    Cluster_12:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN008,4.93,0,0,0.4,43.71,27.95,0,0,4.16,0,18.84,0
    Cluster_12:ITA_Etruscan_Civitavecchia:R474,6.73,0,1.43,0.32,39.73,25.66,0,0.13,5.53,0,19.64,0.85
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN007,0,0,0,0.5,50.29,20.45,0,0,10.86,0,17.91,0
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Chiusi:ETR005,2,0,0,1.54,45.54,20.52,0.17,0,9.35,1.02,18.73,1.13
    Cluster_13:ITA_Daunian7_low_res:SAL007,4.63,0,0,0,53.35,16.94,0,0,6.74,0,18.34,0
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ012,3.32,0,1.79,0,51.8,17.96,0.72,0,7.3,0,16.79,0.33
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN003,0.97,0.01,2,0,49.14,21.97,1.05,0,7.95,0.53,15.93,0.45
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN004,1.49,0,2.17,0.71,51.75,19.41,0.13,0,5.2,0,18.21,0.93
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VET007,0,0,2.57,0.68,51.02,20.09,0.22,0,6.74,0.42,17.63,0.63
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ018,0,0,0.47,0,48.53,20.84,0.43,0,6.5,1.43,20.91,0.89
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VET002,0.77,1.24,2.59,0,48.74,18.77,0,0,7.8,0.08,20.03,0
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10359,2.99,0.05,0,0.53,50.17,22.59,0,0,5.48,0,17.89,0.30
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ008,4.27,1.3,0.28,0.84,49.67,21.5,0,0,3.99,0,17.53,0.63
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ017,4.08,0,1.96,0,48.92,20.11,0,0,5.6,0,19.12,0.21
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Magliano:MAG001,0.84,0,0,0,47.05,24.88,0.37,0.08,3.46,0.47,22.84,0.02
    Cluster_13:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA:R851,1.08,0,1.52,0,49.35,25.19,0,0,1.78,0,20.65,0.44
    Cluster_13:ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA:R1021,1.77,0,0.94,0.76,48.63,23.97,0,0.15,1.54,0,21.8,0.44
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10338,1.43,0,1.33,1.31,45.54,24.78,0,0,5.23,0,20.20,0.17
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Volterrra:VOL001,0.94,0,1.77,0,44.5,24.66,0.61,0.03,5.61,0,21.4,0.48
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10344,0,0,1.23,0,46.50,22.77,0,0.45,5.62,0,23.36,0.06
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ002,0,0,1.15,0.26,46.51,23.88,0,0,5.81,0,21.27,1.12
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VEU001,0,0,1.86,2.69,45.76,22.07,0,0.83,3.79,0,23.01,0
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Campiglia:CAM003,0.93,0.04,0.79,0,49.21,23.83,0,0,7,0.18,16.98,1.04
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_PoggioRenzo:PRZ001,1.55,0.11,0,0,48.41,23.78,0,0,6.08,0.13,19.22,0.71
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ004,1.71,0.66,0.95,0.36,48.5,23.89,0,0,5.59,0,17.87,0.48
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Campiglia:CAM001,1.38,0.19,1.2,0,47.62,24.58,0,0,6.88,0,17.87,0.27
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ016,2.43,0,1.67,0,46.91,24.12,0.84,0,5.34,0,18.06,0.63
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ010,0,0,1.32,0.05,48.43,24.81,0.71,0,4.04,0,20.41,0.24
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ019,0.49,0,2.18,0,47.66,24.5,0.17,0,5.48,0.04,19.27,0.21
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN001,0.74,0,1.6,0.73,46.5,23.83,0,0,7.19,0,19.25,0.16
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Civitavecchia:R473,1.01,0.23,0.57,0,47.29,22.71,0,0.37,6.95,0.11,20.11,0.66
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ013,2.83,1.64,1.78,0,46.46,21.33,0,0,6.68,0,19.04,0.23
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ015,1.72,0,2.42,0,46.31,21.99,0,0,6.46,0.63,19.66,0.81
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VET003_4,1.33,0,2.66,0,47.08,21.2,0.25,0.26,7.04,0.15,20.03,0
    Cluster_13:ITA_Villanovan:R1015,1.64,0.26,2.62,0.01,48.21,21.4,0,0,5.06,0,20.64,0.16
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ024,1.55,0.2,4.01,0.27,46.92,21.83,0,0.36,4.57,0,20.29,0
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VET010,0,0,4.61,0.76,48.22,21.92,0.27,0,3.53,0,20.12,0.57
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ001,2.36,0,4.12,0.57,47.15,23.95,0,0,4.6,0,17.25,0
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN006,3.62,0,0,1.53,45.77,24.02,0.29,0,4.9,0,19.6,0.27
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN013,4.87,0,0.54,0,45.93,21.96,0.41,0,5.92,0.25,19.55,0.57
    Cluster_13:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA:R1016,3.25,1.53,0.94,0,47.98,19.32,1.2,0,3.3,0,22.38,0.1
    Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ005,1.39,0.44,5.14,0,46.29,17.75,0.22,0.33,8.86,0.41,18.68,0.49
    Cluster_14:ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VET011,0,0,6.57,0,51.11,17.17,0,2.72,3.32,0,19.1,0
    Cluster_15:ITA_Etruscan_Chiostraccio:UDC_P,0,0,4.31,0,52.14,29.39,0,0,0.89,0,13.22,0.04
    Cluster_16:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN012,7.01,0,10.55,0,41.84,29.45,0,0,0,0,11.15,0
    Cluster_17:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia_CEU1:R10342,5.36,0.92,2.37,0,44.54,35.11,0,0,0.67,0.29,10.47,0.28
    Cluster_17:ITA_Daunian_CEU1_low_res:SAL010,4.31,0,0,0.02,45.37,38.34,0,0,0,0,11.95,0
    Cluster_17:ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia_CEU1:VET005,7.72,0.55,0,0,43.13,37.83,0,1.41,1.61,0,7.74,0
    Cluster_18:ITA_Etruscan_Campiglia_CEU2:CAM002,4.72,0.03,0,1.59,40.47,34.19,0,0,4.64,0,13.94,0.44
    Cluster_18:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole_CEU2:CSN010,4.43,0.27,3.49,0,40.36,31.59,0,0,5.33,1.81,11.48,1.25
    Cluster_19:ITA_Daunian8_low_res:SAL011,8.8,0,0.77,0.26,61.26,14.72,0,0,5.84,0,8.35,0


    Distance to: Torziok12b
    4.90795273 Cluster_12:ITA_Etruscan_Civitavecchia:R474
    4.94308608 Cluster_10:ITA_Proto-Villanovan:R1
    6.35208627 Cluster_9:ITA_Daunian:ORD009
    7.47945854 Cluster_12:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN005
    7.77274083 Cluster_11:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN009
    8.85378450 Cluster_12:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN008
    9.57447649 Cluster_9:ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VET001
    9.71087020 Cluster_8:ITA_Daunian3_low_res:ORD001
    9.79587668 Cluster_9:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10343
    9.89305312 Cluster_8:ITA_Etruscan_Marsiliana:MAS001
    10.56674974 Cluster_9:ITA_Daunian4_low_res:ORD006
    10.99554455 Cluster_11:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ006
    11.05177814 Cluster_18:ITA_Etruscan_Campiglia_CEU2:CAM002
    11.17633214 Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Volterrra:VOL001
    11.22739507 Cluster_9:ITA_Daunian4_low_res:ORD011
    11.39269064 Cluster_12:ITA_Daunian6_low_res:ORD014
    11.63097588 Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN006
    11.80943267 Cluster_18:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole_CEU2:CSN010
    11.84096702 Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10338
    11.86362508 Cluster_11:ITA_Etruscan_Marsiliana:MAS004
    11.95079077 Cluster_12:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10363
    12.13428201 Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN013
    12.85277402 Cluster_11:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN002
    13.01492220 Cluster_13:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ016
    13.10041984 Cluster_12:ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10340


    Target: Torziok12b
    Distance: 1.1928% / 1.19279252
    39.6 Cluster_17
    21.0 Cluster_8
    15.7 Cluster_12
    9.8 Cluster_1
    9.2 Cluster_3
    3.3 Cluster_6
    1.4 Cluster_10
    Fathers mtdna ...... T2b17
    Grandfather paternal mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ...... K1a4p
    Mothers line ..... R1b-S8172
    Grandmother paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ..... R1a-PF6155

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    Quote Originally Posted by Er Monnezza View Post
    Of course. I hope it's all of them.

    Code:
    ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA:R851,1.08,0,1.52,0,49.35,25.19,0,0,1.78,0,20.65,0.44
    ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA:R1021,1.77,0,0.94,0.76,48.63,23.97,0,0.15,1.54,0,21.8,0.44
    ITA_Daunian:ORD009,4.03,0.65,1.42,0.98,38.29,23.77,0,0,7.95,0,22.52,0.39
    ITA_Daunian_low_res:ORD001,2.13,0,3.17,1.09,29.5,31.57,0,0.75,9.39,1.76,20.64,0
    ITA_Daunian_low_res:ORD004,0,0,0,0,44.67,29.85,0,0,0.14,0,22.4,2.95
    ITA_Daunian_low_res:ORD006,0,0,0,2.54,41.99,25.03,0,0,8.55,0,21.11,0.78
    ITA_Daunian_low_res:ORD011,0,0,0,0,41.49,23.76,0,0,8.92,0.98,24.85,0
    ITA_Daunian_low_res:ORD014,0,2.06,4.08,0,43.2,28.47,0.29,0,2.97,0,18.93,0
    ITA_Daunian_low_res:ORD019,1.73,0,0.9,0,38.01,22.88,2.51,0,0,0,33.46,0.52
    ITA_Daunian_low_res:SAL003,0,0,1.91,0,39.06,17.5,0,0,7.93,0,33.23,0.38
    ITA_Daunian_low_res:SAL007,4.63,0,0,0,53.35,16.94,0,0,6.74,0,18.34,0
    ITA_Daunian_low_res:SAL010,4.31,0,0,0.02,45.37,38.34,0,0,0,0,11.95,0
    ITA_Daunian_low_res:SAL011,8.8,0,0.77,0.26,61.26,14.72,0,0,5.84,0,8.35,0
    ITA_Daunian_low_res:SGR002,1.02,0.6,2.92,0,45.47,29.36,0,0.66,5.54,0,14.06,0.37
    ITA_Daunian_low_res:SGR003,2.69,0,1.74,2.68,40.79,15.65,0,1.55,7.31,0,27.6,0
    ITA_Etruscan_Campiglia:CAM001,1.38,0.19,1.2,0,47.62,24.58,0,0,6.88,0,17.87,0.27
    ITA_Etruscan_Campiglia:CAM003,0.93,0.04,0.79,0,49.21,23.83,0,0,7,0.18,16.98,1.04
    ITA_Etruscan_Campiglia_CEU:CAM002,4.72,0.03,0,1.59,40.47,34.19,0,0,4.64,0,13.94,0.44
    ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN001,0.74,0,1.6,0.73,46.5,23.83,0,0,7.19,0,19.25,0.16
    ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN002,0,0.36,0,0,41.12,32.35,0,0,0,0,26.17,0
    ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN003,0.97,0.01,2,0,49.14,21.97,1.05,0,7.95,0.53,15.93,0.45
    ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN004,1.49,0,2.17,0.71,51.75,19.41,0.13,0,5.2,0,18.21,0.93
    ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN005,1.48,0,4.65,0,39.23,28.19,0.65,0,6.11,0.54,19.16,0
    ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN006,3.62,0,0,1.53,45.77,24.02,0.29,0,4.9,0,19.6,0.27
    ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN007,0,0,0,0.5,50.29,20.45,0,0,10.86,0,17.91,0
    ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN008,4.93,0,0,0.4,43.71,27.95,0,0,4.16,0,18.84,0
    ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN009,2.52,0,2.03,0,39.86,27.95,0,0,2.52,0.43,23.93,0.75
    ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN012,7.01,0,10.55,0,41.84,29.45,0,0,0,0,11.15,0
    ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN013,4.87,0,0.54,0,45.93,21.96,0.41,0,5.92,0.25,19.55,0.57
    ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole_CEU:CSN010,4.43,0.27,3.49,0,40.36,31.59,0,0,5.33,1.81,11.48,1.25
    ITA_Etruscan_Chiostraccio:UDC_P,0,0,4.31,0,52.14,29.39,0,0,0.89,0,13.22,0.04
    ITA_Etruscan_Chiusi:ETR005,2,0,0,1.54,45.54,20.52,0.17,0,9.35,1.02,18.73,1.13
    ITA_Etruscan_Civitavecchia:R473,1.01,0.23,0.57,0,47.29,22.71,0,0.37,6.95,0.11,20.11,0.66
    ITA_Etruscan_Civitavecchia:R474,6.73,0,1.43,0.32,39.73,25.66,0,0.13,5.53,0,19.64,0.85
    ITA_Etruscan_Civitavecchia_Afr:R475,0,0,12.34,0,38.51,11.99,0.78,2.01,11.21,0,22.39,0.77
    ITA_Etruscan_Magliano:MAG001,0.84,0,0,0,47.05,24.88,0.37,0.08,3.46,0.47,22.84,0.02
    ITA_Etruscan_Marsiliana:MAS001,7.2,0.84,4.18,0,26.73,30.23,1.6,0.6,6.25,1.12,21.08,0.18
    ITA_Etruscan_Marsiliana:MAS004,1.12,0,0.85,0,44.63,29.23,0,0,1.36,1.35,21.46,0
    ITA_Etruscan_PoggioRenzo:PRZ001,1.55,0.11,0,0,48.41,23.78,0,0,6.08,0.13,19.22,0.71
    ITA_Etruscan_PoggioRenzo:PRZ002,0,0,2.6,0.54,47.1,27.43,0,0,4.06,1.06,17.2,0
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10338,1.43,0,1.33,1.31,45.54,24.78,0,0,5.23,0,20.20,0.17
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10340,3.72,0,0,0,47.09,27.17,0,0.38,3.98,0.96,16.09,0.61
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10343,3.53,0,0.89,0.50,42.32,22.36,0,0.20,6.37,0,23.83,0
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10344,0,0,1.23,0,46.50,22.77,0,0.45,5.62,0,23.36,0.06
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10359,2.99,0.05,0,0.53,50.17,22.59,0,0,5.48,0,17.89,0.30
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10361,3.60,0,0.51,0.44,47.07,28.51,0,0,3.73,0.34,15.32,0.48
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10363,1.29,0.37,1.15,0.50,45.66,26.89,0.46,0,5.41,0,17.79,0.48
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ001,2.36,0,4.12,0.57,47.15,23.95,0,0,4.6,0,17.25,0
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ002,0,0,1.15,0.26,46.51,23.88,0,0,5.81,0,21.27,1.12
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ004,1.71,0.66,0.95,0.36,48.5,23.89,0,0,5.59,0,17.87,0.48
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ005,1.39,0.44,5.14,0,46.29,17.75,0.22,0.33,8.86,0.41,18.68,0.49
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ006,1.18,0,3.59,0,42.96,25.05,0.15,0,2.83,0,24.24,0
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ008,4.27,1.3,0.28,0.84,49.67,21.5,0,0,3.99,0,17.53,0.63
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ010,0,0,1.32,0.05,48.43,24.81,0.71,0,4.04,0,20.41,0.24
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ012,3.32,0,1.79,0,51.8,17.96,0.72,0,7.3,0,16.79,0.33
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ013,2.83,1.64,1.78,0,46.46,21.33,0,0,6.68,0,19.04,0.23
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ015,1.72,0,2.42,0,46.31,21.99,0,0,6.46,0.63,19.66,0.81
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ016,2.43,0,1.67,0,46.91,24.12,0.84,0,5.34,0,18.06,0.63
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ017,4.08,0,1.96,0,48.92,20.11,0,0,5.6,0,19.12,0.21
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ018,0,0,0.47,0,48.53,20.84,0.43,0,6.5,1.43,20.91,0.89
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ019,0.49,0,2.18,0,47.66,24.5,0.17,0,5.48,0.04,19.27,0.21
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ024,1.55,0.2,4.01,0.27,46.92,21.83,0,0.36,4.57,0,20.29,0
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia_Afr:TAQ007,3.25,0.65,8.19,0,33.36,6.55,0.82,0,13.72,0.07,31.87,1.52
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia_Afr:TAQ023,0.11,0,9.86,0,38.6,11.68,0.88,1.34,10.18,0,26.04,1.31
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia_CEU:R10342,5.36,0.92,2.37,0,44.54,35.11,0,0,0.67,0.29,10.47,0.28
    ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia_o:R10337,8.39,0,4.23,0.02,14.92,0,0,1.82,26.08,0.60,43.93,0.02
    ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VET001,1.52,0,2.24,1.15,42.15,23.87,0,1.18,6.3,0,21.57,0
    ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VET002,0.77,1.24,2.59,0,48.74,18.77,0,0,7.8,0.08,20.03,0
    ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VET003_4,1.33,0,2.66,0,47.08,21.2,0.25,0.26,7.04,0.15,20.03,0
    ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VET007,0,0,2.57,0.68,51.02,20.09,0.22,0,6.74,0.42,17.63,0.63
    ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VET010,0,0,4.61,0.76,48.22,21.92,0.27,0,3.53,0,20.12,0.57
    ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VET011,0,0,6.57,0,51.11,17.17,0,2.72,3.32,0,19.1,0
    ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VEU001,0,0,1.86,2.69,45.76,22.07,0,0.83,3.79,0,23.01,0
    ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia_Afr:VET008,0.41,0,8.27,0,38.29,9.06,0,1.75,12.78,0.04,28.42,0.99
    ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia_CEU:VET005,7.72,0.55,0,0,43.13,37.83,0,1.41,1.61,0,7.74,0
    ITA_Etruscan_Volterrra:VOL001,0.94,0,1.77,0,44.5,24.66,0.61,0.03,5.61,0,21.4,0.48
    ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA:R435,4.6,0.48,1.22,0,46.59,28.92,0.06,0,4.14,0,13.22,0.77
    ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o:R437,5.89,0,2.61,0,32.88,11.52,0,0,11.42,0.47,34.68,0.53
    ITA_Proto-Villanovan:R1,4.87,1.72,1.2,0,34.92,26.41,0,0,5.74,0,24.51,0.64
    ITA_Rome_Latini_IA:R1016,3.25,1.53,0.94,0,47.98,19.32,1.2,0,3.3,0,22.38,0.1
    ITA_Sicily_LBA:I3876,0.3,0.4,2.74,0.69,45.89,7.84,0,0,8.73,0,32.68,0.73
    ITA_Villanovan:R1015,1.64,0.26,2.62,0.01,48.21,21.4,0,0,5.06,0,20.64,0.16


    Distance to: Torziok12b
    4.90795273 ITA_Etruscan_Civitavecchia:R474
    4.94308608 ITA_Proto-Villanovan:R1
    6.35208627 ITA_Daunian:ORD009
    7.47945854 ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN005
    7.77274083 ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN009
    8.85378450 ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN008
    9.57447649 ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia:VET001
    9.71087020 ITA_Daunian_low_res:ORD001
    9.79587668 ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10343
    9.89305312 ITA_Etruscan_Marsiliana:MAS001
    10.56674974 ITA_Daunian_low_res:ORD006
    10.99554455 ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ006
    11.05177814 ITA_Etruscan_Campiglia_CEU:CAM002
    11.17633214 ITA_Etruscan_Volterrra:VOL001
    11.22739507 ITA_Daunian_low_res:ORD011
    11.39269064 ITA_Daunian_low_res:ORD014
    11.63097588 ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN006
    11.80943267 ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole_CEU:CSN010
    11.84096702 ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10338
    11.86362508 ITA_Etruscan_Marsiliana:MAS004
    11.95079077 ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10363
    12.13428201 ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN013
    12.85277402 ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN002
    13.01492220 ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:TAQ016
    13.10041984 ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia:R10340



    Target: Torziok12b
    Distance: 1.1901% / 1.19006121
    28.7 ITA_Daunian_low_res
    20.5 ITA_Etruscan_Civitavecchia
    20.4 ITA_Etruscan_Marsiliana
    12.8 ITA_Etruscan_Vetulonia_CEU
    10.8 ITA_Etruscan_Tarquinia_o
    5.0 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o
    1.8 ITA_Proto-Villanovan


    seems like the above is only based on the numbers of samples ............so it makes no sense

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    Country: Italy



    My distances
    Distance to: Stefano
    3.82604234 R10343_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
    6.13256879 C.Italy_Etruscan:Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_750-406BCE:VET001
    6.94068440 C.Italy_Etruscan:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_427-265BCE:CSN009
    7.31659757 C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_ :TAQ006
    7.64901955 C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_10 18-1151CE:TAQ022
    7.80986556 C.Italy_Etruscan:Volterra(Pisa_Tuscany)_200-60BCE:VOL001
    7.87109903 C.Italy_Early.Medieval:PoggioPelliccia(Grosseto_Tu scany)_772-960CE:POP001
    8.17667414 C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tusca ny):CSN013
    8.49345630 C.Italy_Etruscan:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_533-392BCE:CSN006
    8.60570741 C.Italy_Imperial:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_89-236CE:TAQ020
    8.76744547 C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tusca ny):CSN008
    8.82562746 R10338_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
    9.01633518 C.Italy_Early.Medieval_undated:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscan y):ETR010
    9.16045305 C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tusca ny):CSN005
    9.19384033 R10344_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
    9.34582260 C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_89 5-1016CE:TAQ011
    9.40286127 C.Italy_Etruscan:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_346-51BCE:TAQ015
    9.43827844 C.Italy_Etruscan:Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_790-550BCE:VEU001
    9.54663815 C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_89 9-1021CE:TAQ009
    9.57866901 C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio): TAQ013
    9.71511194 C.Italy_Etruscan:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_103BCE-54CE:TAQ002
    9.75599815 C.Italy_Etruscan:MaglianoinToscana(Grosseto_Tuscan y)_790-550BCE:MAG001
    10.07248728 C.Italy_Etruscan:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_356-96BCE:TAQ024
    10.14787663 C.Italy_Etruscan:Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_800-590BCE:VET003_4
    10.15973425 C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tusca ny):CSN001

    Thanks to all the posters!

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    Country: United States



    I can’t seem to locate Latin Ardea R850 in the new lists … my favorite y T Latin :)

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    1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I can’t seem to locate Latin Ardea R850 in the new lists … my favorite y T Latin :)
    Thank you! I added it to the last list.

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