Genetic study The origin and legacy of the Etruscans through a 2000-year archeogenomic time transec

ihype02 said:
Jovialis do you have Medival Tuscany K12b coordinates? I found Imperial and Republican ones in some of your posts but not the medieval. Not sure if I missed them.
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I believe they have already been published. They probably do not represent all medieval Tuscans, because of geography it might be a bit more complex. Seven come from Chiusi, literally on the border with Umbria, and one from Poggio Pelliccia, Gavorrano, Grosseto, so from south-western Tuscany. ETR014 is an outlier and ends with the southern Italians, all the others join the cluster of central Italy a bit south of the modern Tuscan averages.

EMA= Early Middle Ages

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The four medieval people from Tarquinia, Lazio, are not quite in line with the average based on modern people from Lazio. One is closer to the academic averages of modern Tuscans, two are closer to medieval Tuscans from Chiusi, and one TAQ003 ends up with Molise and Abruzzo. When hundreds of medieval people from all over Italy will be sampled, I think the inconsistencies will multiply.

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TAQ003 is the one I am closest to:

Distance to:Jovialis
3.64458502C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_729-942CE:TAQ003
4.09070899S.Italy_Venosa:Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_650-763CE:VEN006
4.15604379S.Italy_Venosa:Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_670-775CE:VEN013
5.08536134S.Italy_Venosa:Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_650-800CE:VEN001
5.39290274S.Italy_Venosa:Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_670-775CE:VEN015
6.16317288S.Italy_Venosa:Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_672-800CE:VEN016
6.78350942C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_895-1016CE:TAQ011
7.04449430C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)C899-1016CE:ETR013
7.08010593C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_899-1021CE:TAQ009
7.10228836C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)_997-1149CE:ETR003
7.24289997C.Italy_Imperial:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_89-236CE:TAQ020
7.74268687S.Italy_Venosa:Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_650-763CE:VEN005
8.41327522C.Italy_Early.Medieval:poggioPelliccia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_772-960CE:pOP001
8.57403639C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_1018-1151CE:TAQ022
8.62318387C.Italy_Early.Medieval_ETR014:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)_977-1022CE:ETR014
9.44833848C.Italy_Imperial:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_262-424CE:TAQ021
9.48255767C.Italy_Early.Medieval_undated:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany):ETR010
9.76431769C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE:ETR007
9.92680714S.Italy_Venosa_related:Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_660-766CE:VEN009
11.06943991S.Italy_Venosa:Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_670-775CE:VEN012
11.16845110S.Italy_Venosa_related:Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_672-800CE:VEN017
12.35336796C.Italy_Imperial:Marsilianad'Albegna(Grosseto_Tuscany)_400-530CE:MAS003
13.35992515C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)_772-888CE:ETR006
13.99985714:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany):ETR004
14.12746262C.Italy_Etruscan.Afr:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_391-207BCE:TAQ007

 
Jovialis said:
Here you go:
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These are the same samples but divided into autosomal clusters. I could have done more specific clusters but then they would have become too many.

Code: 
Cluster_1:_Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_750-413BCE_VET011,0,0,6.57,0,51.11,17.17,0,2.72,3.32,0,19.1,0
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan.Ceu_related_Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_427-265BCE_CSN002,0,0.36,0,0,41.12,32.35,0,0,0,0,26.17,0
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_CampigliadeiFoci(Siena_Tuscany)_770-540BCE_CAM003,0.93,0.04,0.79,0,49.21,23.83,0,0,7,0.18,16.98,1.04
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_CampigliadeiFoci(Siena_Tuscany)_780-540BCE_CAM001,1.38,0.19,1.2,0,47.62,24.58,0,0,6.88,0,17.87,0.27
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_380-204BCE_CSN003,0.97,0.01,2,0,49.14,21.97,1.05,0,7.95,0.53,15.93,0.45
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_427-265BCE_CSN009,2.52,0,2.03,0,39.86,27.95,0,0,2.52,0.43,23.93,0.75
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_533-392BCE_CSN006,3.62,0,0,1.53,45.77,24.02,0.29,0,4.9,0,19.6,0.27
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)_805-774BCE_ETR005,2,0,0,1.54,45.54,20.52,0.17,0,9.35,1.02,18.73,1.13
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_MaglianoinToscana(Grosseto_Tuscany)_790-550BCE_MAG001,0.84,0,0,0,47.05,24.88,0.37,0.08,3.46,0.47,22.84,0.02
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_Marsilianad'Albegna(Grosseto_Tuscany)_804-557BCE_MAS004,1.12,0,0.85,0,44.63,29.23,0,0,1.36,1.35,21.46,0
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_PoggioRenzo(Siena_Tuscany)_772-436BCE_PRZ002,0,0,2.6,0.54,47.1,27.43,0,0,4.06,1.06,17.2,0
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_PoggioRenzo(Siena_Tuscany)_794-543BCE_PRZ001,1.55,0.11,0,0,48.41,23.78,0,0,6.08,0.13,19.22,0.71
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_related_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_346-51BCE_TAQ005,1.39,0.44,5.14,0,46.29,17.75,0.22,0.33,8.86,0.41,18.68,0.49
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_related_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_346-51BCE_TAQ018,0,0,0.47,0,48.53,20.84,0.43,0,6.5,1.43,20.91,0.89
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_related_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_356-96BCE_TAQ001,2.36,0,4.12,0.57,47.15,23.95,0,0,4.6,0,17.25,0
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_related_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_356-96BCE_TAQ017,4.08,0,1.96,0,48.92,20.11,0,0,5.6,0,19.12,0.21
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_103BCE-54CE_TAQ002,0,0,1.15,0.26,46.51,23.88,0,0,5.81,0,21.27,1.12
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_346-51BCE_TAQ015,1.72,0,2.42,0,46.31,21.99,0,0,6.46,0.63,19.66,0.81
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_356-96BCE_TAQ024,1.55,0.2,4.01,0.27,46.92,21.83,0,0.36,4.57,0,20.29,0
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_358-98BCE_TAQ019,0.49,0,2.18,0,47.66,24.5,0.17,0,5.48,0.04,19.27,0.21
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_undated_Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_CSN001,0.74,0,1.6,0.73,46.5,23.83,0,0,7.19,0,19.25,0.16
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_undated_Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_CSN004,1.49,0,2.17,0.71,51.75,19.41,0.13,0,5.2,0,18.21,0.93
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_undated_Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_CSN005,1.48,0,4.65,0,39.23,28.19,0.65,0,6.11,0.54,19.16,0
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_undated_Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_CSN007,0,0,0,0.5,50.29,20.45,0,0,10.86,0,17.91,0
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_undated_Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_CSN008,4.93,0,0,0.4,43.71,27.95,0,0,4.16,0,18.84,0
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_undated_Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_CSN013,4.87,0,0.54,0,45.93,21.96,0.41,0,5.92,0.25,19.55,0.57
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_undated_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)__TAQ004,1.71,0.66,0.95,0.36,48.5,23.89,0,0,5.59,0,17.87,0.48
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_undated_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)__TAQ006,1.18,0,3.59,0,42.96,25.05,0.15,0,2.83,0,24.24,0
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_undated_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_TAQ008,4.27,1.3,0.28,0.84,49.67,21.5,0,0,3.99,0,17.53,0.63
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_undated_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_TAQ010,0,0,1.32,0.05,48.43,24.81,0.71,0,4.04,0,20.41,0.24
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_undated_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_TAQ012,3.32,0,1.79,0,51.8,17.96,0.72,0,7.3,0,16.79,0.33
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_undated_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_TAQ013,2.83,1.64,1.78,0,46.46,21.33,0,0,6.68,0,19.04,0.23
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_undated_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_TAQ016,2.43,0,1.67,0,46.91,24.12,0.84,0,5.34,0,18.06,0.63
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_750-406BCE_VET001,1.52,0,2.24,1.15,42.15,23.87,0,1.18,6.3,0,21.57,0
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_788-545BCE_VET010,0,0,4.61,0.76,48.22,21.92,0.27,0,3.53,0,20.12,0.57
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_790-550BCE_VET002,0.77,1.24,2.59,0,48.74,18.77,0,0,7.8,0.08,20.03,0
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_790-550BCE_VEU001,0,0,1.86,2.69,45.76,22.07,0,0.83,3.79,0,23.01,0
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_800-590BCE_VET003_4,1.33,0,2.66,0,47.08,21.2,0.25,0.26,7.04,0.15,20.03,0
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_806-599BCE_VET007,0,0,2.57,0.68,51.02,20.09,0.22,0,6.74,0.42,17.63,0.63
Cluster_1:C.Italy_Etruscan_Volterra(Pisa_Tuscany)_200-60BCE_VOL001,0.94,0,1.77,0,44.5,24.66,0.61,0.03,5.61,0,21.4,0.48
Cluster_2:_Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_CSN012,7.01,0,10.55,0,41.84,29.45,0,0,0,0,11.15,0
Cluster_2:C.Italy_Etruscan.Ceu_CampigliadeiFoci(Siena_Tuscany)_770-520BCE_CAM002,4.72,0.03,0,1.59,40.47,34.19,0,0,4.64,0,13.94,0.44
Cluster_2:C.Italy_Etruscan.Ceu_Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_360-200BCE_VET005,7.72,0.55,0,0,43.13,37.83,0,1.41,1.61,0,7.74,0
Cluster_2:C.Italy_Etruscan_related_Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_380-204BCE_CSN010,4.43,0.27,3.49,0,40.36,31.59,0,0,5.33,1.81,11.48,1.25
Cluster_3:C.Italy_Early.Medieval_Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)775-945CE_ETR007,5.51,0,2.37,1.28,30.11,25.01,0,0,8.81,0,26.92,0
Cluster_3:C.Italy_Early.Medieval_Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)_772-888CE_ETR006,3.87,1.22,0,0,39.39,15.01,0,0,12.67,0,26.45,1.39
Cluster_3:C.Italy_Early.Medieval_Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)_997-1149CE_ETR003,10.36,0,2.55,0,30.58,19.47,0,0,10.98,0,25.66,0.41
Cluster_3:C.Italy_Early.Medieval_Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)C899-1016CE_ETR013,6.64,0.06,1.86,0,35.44,14.98,0,0,9.51,0,31.24,0.28
Cluster_3:C.Italy_Early.Medieval_ETR014_Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)_977-1022CE_ETR014,3.51,0,2.87,0,27.31,14.86,0.51,0,14.53,0,36.4,0
Cluster_3:C.Italy_Early.Medieval_PoggioPelliccia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_772-960CE_POP001,4.72,0.15,0.86,0,35.02,19.76,0,0,8.74,1.36,28.84,0.55
Cluster_3:C.Italy_Early.Medieval_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_729-942CE_TAQ003,5.6,0,2.14,1.3,29.31,17.09,0.1,0.93,11.36,0,31.59,0.58
Cluster_3:C.Italy_Early.Medieval_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_895-1016CE_TAQ011,6.51,0.15,1.38,0.03,33.17,19.02,0,1.09,10.21,0,27.5,0.96
Cluster_3:C.Italy_Early.Medieval_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_899-1021CE_TAQ009,4.13,0.23,2.43,0.82,33.16,19.69,0.14,0,9.54,0,28.81,1.06
Cluster_3:C.Italy_Early.Medieval_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_1018-1151CE_TAQ022,5.66,0,2.84,0,34.54,19.74,2.22,0,6.34,0,28.11,0.54
Cluster_3:C.Italy_Early.Medieval_undated_Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)_ETR010,4.58,0.05,1.08,0.22,37.3,17.15,0.08,0,9.4,0,29.53,0.6
Cluster_3:C.Italy_Imperial_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_89-236CE_TAQ020,9.02,0.66,1.49,0.5,34.13,18.73,0.12,0,7.43,0,27.92,0
Cluster_3:S.Italy_Venosa_related_Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_660-766CE_VEN009,4.96,0,10.9,0.28,29.02,16.26,0,3.03,6.57,0,28.99,0
Cluster_3:S.Italy_Venosa_related_Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_672-800CE_VEN017,1.13,1.55,0,0.12,32.91,17.47,3.75,0,12.37,3.07,27.62,0
Cluster_3:S.Italy_Venosa_Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_650-763CE_VEN006,8.51,0.54,5.29,0.22,27.14,16.32,0,0,9.76,1.99,30.08,0.16
Cluster_3:S.Italy_Venosa_Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_650-800CE_VEN001,5.14,0,3.87,0.01,28.18,17.6,0,0,11.33,2.38,29.77,1.73
Cluster_3:S.Italy_Venosa_Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_660-766CE_VEN008,4.55,6.58,0,0,36.17,16.54,2.72,0,8.77,0,23.04,1.63
Cluster_3:S.Italy_Venosa_Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_670-775CE_VEN012,2.86,0,1.41,0.17,24.58,14.71,0,1.75,12.7,5.77,36.03,0.03
Cluster_3:S.Italy_Venosa_Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_670-775CE_VEN013,7.7,0,5.12,0,28.43,14.81,0,0,10.94,1.22,30.32,1.45
Cluster_3:S.Italy_Venosa_Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_670-775CE_VEN015,7.16,0,3.85,0.73,28.62,13.96,0.39,0,13.73,0,30.9,0.64
Cluster_3:S.Italy_Venosa_Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_672-800CE_VEN016,6.56,0,6.02,0,25.63,16.98,0,0,13.65,0.44,30.73,0
Cluster_4:_Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)_ETR004,17.44,0,0,0,19.59,19.63,0,0,11.7,0,31.64,0
Cluster_5:C.Italy_Early.Medieval_undated_Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)_ETR012,17.52,1.96,0,0,41.58,12.98,3.45,0.35,5.74,0,16.42,0
Cluster_5:S.Italy_Venosa_related_Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_670-775CE_VEN010,16.14,0,2.12,1.09,37.1,15.42,0,0.05,13.2,0,14.88,0
Cluster_6:C.Italy_Etruscan_MAS001_Marsilianad'Albegna(Grosseto_Tuscany)_350-100BCE_MAS001,7.2,0.84,4.18,0,26.73,30.23,1.6,0.6,6.25,1.12,21.08,0.18
Cluster_7:C.Italy_Imperial_Marsilianad'Albegna(Grosseto_Tuscany)_240-380CE_MAS002,6.49,1.52,3.63,0,23.56,7.82,0,0.48,18.33,0.02,38.16,0
Cluster_8:C.Italy_Etruscan.Afr_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_391-207BCE_TAQ007,3.25,0.65,8.19,0,33.36,6.55,0.82,0,13.72,0.07,31.87,1.52
Cluster_8:C.Italy_Etruscan.Afr_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_396-216BCE_TAQ023,0.11,0,9.86,0,38.6,11.68,0.88,1.34,10.18,0,26.04,1.31
Cluster_8:C.Italy_Etruscan.Afr_Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_372-204BCE_VET008,0.41,0,8.27,0,38.29,9.06,0,1.75,12.78,0.04,28.42,0.99
Cluster_8:C.Italy_Imperial_Marsilianad'Albegna(Grosseto_Tuscany)_400-530CE_MAS003,2.81,0,8.6,1.47,34.71,11.66,0,1.28,11.86,0,26.84,0.76
Cluster_8:C.Italy_Imperial_Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_262-424CE_TAQ021,3.74,0,2.51,0,33.22,11.47,2.01,0,12.62,0,34.44,0
Cluster_8:S.Italy_Venosa_Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_650-763CE_VEN005,6.66,0,4.28,1.53,32.55,10.92,0,0,10.86,0.37,32.83,0
Cluster_9:C.Italy_Etruscan_UDC_P_Chiostraccio(Siena_Tuscany)_174-53BCE_UDC_P,0,0,4.31,0,52.14,29.39,0,0,0.89,0,13.22,0.04
Cluster_10:S.Italy_Venosa_VEN002_Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_650-800CE_VEN002,2.79,8.01,0,12.59,16.3,9.93,3.89,0.01,6.34,27.43,12.71,0
Cluster_11:S.Italy_Venosa_Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_670-775CE_VEN014,12.68,0,5.83,0,33.04,0,0,0.24,17.71,1.35,28.74,0.42
Cluster_12:S.Italy_Venosa_Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_672-800CE_VEN018,9.33,0,3.69,0,27.33,17.18,0,0,19.59,0,20.74,2.14
Cluster_13:S.Italy_Venosa_related_Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_672-800CE_VEN021,8.65,0,0.51,3.3,17.54,14.06,0,2.43,21.68,1.47,30.37,0
Cluster_14:S.Italy_Venosa_related_Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_672-800CE_VEN022,7.04,0,0,5.28,15.13,25.83,0,0.13,20.82,0,25.77,0

Averages

Code: 
Cluster_1,1.50825,0.15475,1.90325,0.3395,46.8615,23.13975,0.1915,0.14475,5.5195,0.228,19.65325,0.35625
Cluster_2,5.97,0.2125,3.51,0.3975,41.45,33.265,0,0.3525,2.895,0.4525,11.0775,0.4225
Cluster_3,5.6514286,0.53285714,2.777619,0.27047619,31.435238,17.388571,0.47761905,0.32380952,10.444762,0.77285714,29.354762,0.57190476
Cluster_4,17.44,0,0,0,19.59,19.63,0,0,11.7,0,31.64,0
Cluster_5,16.83,0.98,1.06,0.545,39.34,14.2,1.725,0.2,9.47,0,15.65,0
Cluster_6,7.2,0.84,4.18,0,26.73,30.23,1.6,0.6,6.25,1.12,21.08,0.18
Cluster_7,6.49,1.52,3.63,0,23.56,7.82,0,0.48,18.33,0.02,38.16,0
Cluster_8,2.83,0.10833333,6.9516667,0.5,35.121667,10.223333,0.61833333,0.72833333,12.003333,0.08,30.073333,0.76333333
Cluster_9,0,0,4.31,0,52.14,29.39,0,0,0.89,0,13.22,0.04
Cluster_10,2.79,8.01,0,12.59,16.3,9.93,3.89,0.01,6.34,27.43,12.71,0
Cluster_11,12.68,0,5.83,0,33.04,0,0,0.24,17.71,1.35,28.74,0.42
Cluster_12,9.33,0,3.69,0,27.33,17.18,0,0,19.59,0,20.74,2.14
Cluster_13,8.65,0,0.51,3.3,17.54,14.06,0,2.43,21.68,1.47,30.37,0
Cluster_14,7.04,0,0,5.28,15.13,25.83,0,0.13,20.82,0,25.77,0
 
Er Monnezza said:
These are the same samples but divided into autosomal clusters. I could have done more specific clusters but then they would have become too many.
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I have some doubts about some of these clusters. In any case, the clusters + modern academic samples




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The Tarquinia-Monterozzi ones are missing, yes?
 
Angela said:
The Tarquinia-Monterozzi ones are missing, yes?
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Supposedly, the majority of the Taq samples come from the Monterozzi necropolis.

… “According to the limited catalogue descriptions on the provenance, the majority of the analyzed skulls derived from either private or municipal excavations in the Monterozzi necropolis conducted between 1877 and 1879. However, an assignment of the skulls to the associated burial contexts or to certain areas of the necropolis is not possible due to the incomplete available information.
Radiocarbon dating shows that at least four individuals (TAQ003, TAQ009, TAQ011, TAQ022) likely represent inhabitants of the medieval town of Corneto that had moved towards the Monterozzi hill. Their catalogue descriptions do not refer to the Monterozzi necropolis, and apart from a simple ascending numbering (“Tarquinia 1, Tarquinia 2”, etc.) there is no specification about their provenance. Two other skulls (TAQ020, TAQ021) belong to the same numbering system, but date to the Imperial Roman period. Additionally, four of the analyzed skulls are described in the catalogue as tomba etrusca (Etruscan tomb) (TAQ004, TAQ006, TAQ007, TAQ010) and seven are referred to as tomba romana (Roman tomb) or deposito romano (Roman deposit) (TAQ012, TAQ015, TAQ016, TAQ017, TAQ018, TAQ019, TAQ023), without an explanation of how this classification had been performed. Most likely classification was performed by grave goods and/or tomb building style. According to radiocarbon dating, all five dated individuals listed as tomba romana or deposito romano have an age that is in line with the Roman Republic period” …

https://www.science.org/action/down...126/sciadv.abi7673&file=sciadv.abi7673_SM.pdf
 
Salento said:
Supposedly, the majority of the Taq samples come from the Monterozzi necropolis.

… “According to the limited catalogue descriptions on the provenance, the majority of the analyzed skulls derived from either private or municipal excavations in the Monterozzi necropolis conducted between 1877 and 1879. However, an assignment of the skulls to the associated burial contexts or to certain areas of the necropolis is not possible due to the incomplete available information.
Radiocarbon dating shows that at least four individuals (TAQ003, TAQ009, TAQ011, TAQ022) likely represent inhabitants of the medieval town of Corneto that had moved towards the Monterozzi hill. Their catalogue descriptions do not refer to the Monterozzi necropolis, and apart from a simple ascending numbering (“Tarquinia 1, Tarquinia 2”, etc.) there is no specification about their provenance. Two other skulls (TAQ020, TAQ021) belong to the same numbering system, but date to the Imperial Roman period. Additionally, four of the analyzed skulls are described in the catalogue as tomba etrusca (Etruscan tomb) (TAQ004, TAQ006, TAQ007, TAQ010) and seven are referred to as tomba romana (Roman tomb) or deposito romano (Roman deposit) (TAQ012, TAQ015, TAQ016, TAQ017, TAQ018, TAQ019, TAQ023), without an explanation of how this classification had been performed. Most likely classification was performed by grave goods and/or tomb building style. According to radiocarbon dating, all five dated individuals listed as tomba romana or deposito romano have an age that is in line with the Roman Republic period” …

https://www.science.org/action/down...126/sciadv.abi7673&file=sciadv.abi7673_SM.pdf
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O.K., but I think the samples that were specifically labelled as being from Monterozzi are different from the ones in the list Jovialis just posted. I know that because while I get a distance of 5 to a B.C. Etruscan sample (R10343), my closest distance to a B.C. sample using the list of samples posted by Jovialis is an 8.

Distance to:
Angela
5.15410516
R10343_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
6.30652836
R1555_Urbino-Bivio_81calCE-210calCE
7.97667224
R11749_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
9.06009382
R10344_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
10.57215683
R10338_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
11.94774874
R11791_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
13.14547070
R1292_Cancelleria_500-1400_AD
13.24072506
R11104_Italy_bc-Pian_Sultano
13.33748852
R10363_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
13.72491894
R10359_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
13.87059119
R1291_Cancelleria_500-1400_AD
14.11623533
R11780_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
14.27710755
R11776_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
15.14151908
R10340_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
15.50673725
R1556_Urbino-Bivio_81calCE-220calCE
15.93252962
R1225_Cancelleria_1480_AD
16.09062771
R11105_Italy_bc-Pian_Sultano
16.11301337
R11107_Italy_bc-Pian_Sultano
16.35236374
R10361_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
16.84864386
R1554_Urbino-Bivio_125calCE-220calCE

6.39419268
C.Italy_Early.Medieval_undated:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany):ETR010
6.66446547
C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_1018-1151CE:TAQ022
7.26718653
C.Italy_Early.Medieval:poggioPelliccia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_772-960CE:pOP001
8.05195628
C.Italy_Etruscan:Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_750-406BCE:VET001
8.26525257
C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_:TAQ006
8.33593426
C.Italy_Imperial:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_89-236CE:TAQ020
8.88801440
C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)_772-888CE:ETR006
8.96155678
C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_899-1021CE:TAQ009
9.04024889
C.Italy_Etruscan:Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_790-550BCE:VEU001
9.27407677
C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)C899-1016CE:ETR013
9.28820758
C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_895-1016CE:TAQ011
9.36452882
C.Italy_Etruscan:Volterra(Pisa_Tuscany)_200-60BCE:VOL001
9.50057893
C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany):CSN013
10.00465891
C.Italy_Etruscan:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_346-51BCE:TAQ015
10.05611257
C.Italy_Etruscan:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_356-96BCE:TAQ024
10.12604069
C.Italy_Etruscan:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_427-265BCE:CSN009
10.13955620
C.Italy_Etruscan:Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_800-590BCE:VET003_4
10.22931572
C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio):TAQ013
10.25778729
S.Italy_Venosa:Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_660-766CE:VEN008
10.48135487
C.Italy_Etruscan:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_533-392BCE:CSN006
10.54234319
C.Italy_Etruscan:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_103BCE-54CE:TAQ002
10.66444091
C.Italy_Etruscan:MaglianoinToscana(Grosseto_Tuscany)_790-550BCE:MAG001
10.97209187
C.Italy_Etruscan:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)_805-774BCE:ETR005
11.24998667
C.Italy_Etruscan_related:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_346-51BCE:TAQ018
11.25538094
C.Italy_Etruscan_related:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_356-96BCE:TAQ017

As Jovialis implied, new samples have come out.

For the sake of completeness the new Etruscan samples should be added to the list, yes?

Also, I really don't understand all the talk from the authors and some in the anthro world that the Medieval Tuscans were Eastern Med like. These are the closest populations to my first three "Early Medieval" Tuscan samples.

Distance to:
C.Italy_Early.Medieval_undated:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany):ETR010
5.02440046
French_Corsica
5.26141084
Italian_Marche
5.52515158
Italian_Romagna
5.71244256
Italian_Umbria
6.59193447
Italian_Tuscany
6.84526113
Italian_Lazio
8.15754865
Italian_Emilia
8.87920605
Italian_Liguria
9.69074301
Italian_Abruzzo
10.01716527
Italian_Molise
10.99793617
Albanian
11.10661515
Italian_Campania
11.19838381
Italian_Lombardy
11.75719780
Greek_Central
11.84891134
Greek_Athens
12.31078795
Greek_Thrace
12.36642228
Italian_Apulia
12.44993574
Italian_Basilicata
12.45418002
Greek_Thessaly
12.45619525
Italian_Piedmont
12.49764378
Italian_Sicily
12.64545373
Italian_Veneto
12.79305671
Albanian_Kosovo
12.86448600
Greek_Peloponnese
13.48138717
Greek_Thessaloniki




Distance to:
C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_1018-1151CE:TAQ022
3.91677163
Italian_Romagna
4.05738832
Italian_Umbria
4.62531339
Italian_Marche
5.07221845
Italian_Lazio
5.31941726
Italian_Tuscany
6.52240753
Italian_Emilia
6.86460487
French_Corsica
7.29891088
Italian_Liguria
8.50792572
Albanian
9.38618133
Greek_Thessaly
9.51462558
Greek_Thrace
9.63508173
Italian_Lombardy
9.63739073
Italian_Abruzzo
9.64062757
Albanian_Kosovo
9.79988265
Italian_Veneto
10.10194041
Italian_Piedmont
10.31402443
Greek_Central
10.57133861
Greek_Peloponnese
10.66870189
Greek_Thessaloniki
10.69634050
Greek_Athens
10.94870769
Italian_Molise
10.98788424
Macedonian_South
11.09392627
Macedonian_Vardar
11.64879393
Italian_Apulia
11.87412313
Italian_Friuli_VG

Distance to:
C.Italy_Early.Medieval:poggioPelliccia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_772-960CE:pOP001
2.98288451
Italian_Umbria
3.02848147
Italian_Romagna
3.73006756
Italian_Marche
4.57890817
Italian_Lazio
4.90730068
Italian_Tuscany
6.49943074
Italian_Emilia
6.55141206
French_Corsica
7.34635284
Italian_Liguria
7.91252172
Albanian
9.05593176
Italian_Abruzzo
9.11566235
Greek_Thrace
9.17095415
Greek_Thessaly
9.30773334
Albanian_Kosovo
9.54426006
Greek_Central
9.77453835
Italian_Lombardy
9.78190677
Greek_Athens
9.87338848
Italian_Molise
10.17379968
Greek_Peloponnese
10.29294419
Italian_Veneto
10.34659364
Greek_Thessaloniki
10.53009022
Italian_Piedmont
10.90444863
Macedonian_South
11.11422512
Italian_Apulia
11.31634658
Italian_Campania
11.37142032
Macedonian_Vardar
 
Salento said:
Supposedly, the majority of the Taq samples come from the Monterozzi necropolis.
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There are supposed to be more necropolises in Tarquinia, for example, there is a necropolis from the Villanovan period at 'Le Rose'. I believe that the one at Monterozzi is by far the largest. Monterozzi is a very large hill, after which the necropolis is named. So it is plausible that the majority of the samples in the Posht 2021 study come from there, as do those in the still pre-print study by Moots.
 
Angela said:
For the sake of completeness the new Etruscan samples should be added to the list, yes?
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Code: 
R10337_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi,8.39,0,4.23,0.02,14.92,0,0,1.82,26.08,0.60,43.93,0.02
R10338_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi,1.43,0,1.33,1.31,45.54,24.78,0,0,5.23,0,20.20,0.17
R10340_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi,3.72,0,0,0,47.09,27.17,0,0.38,3.98,0.96,16.09,0.61
R10342_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi,5.36,0.92,2.37,0,44.54,35.11,0,0,0.67,0.29,10.47,0.28
R10343_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi,3.53,0,0.89,0.50,42.32,22.36,0,0.20,6.37,0,23.83,0
R10344_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi,0,0,1.23,0,46.50,22.77,0,0.45,5.62,0,23.36,0.06
R10359_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi,2.99,0.05,0,0.53,50.17,22.59,0,0,5.48,0,17.89,0.30
R10361_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi,3.60,0,0.51,0.44,47.07,28.51,0,0,3.73,0.34,15.32,0.48
R10363_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi,1.29,0.37,1.15,0.50,45.66,26.89,0.46,0,5.41,0,17.79,0.48
R11102_Italy_bc-Pian_Sultano,0,0,0.03,0,48.34,33.89,0,0,3.33,0.03,13.48,0.90
R11104_Italy_bc-Pian_Sultano,2.02,0,1.27,0.73,48.52,24.33,0,0,4.65,0,17.94,0.54
R11105_Italy_bc-Pian_Sultano,1.58,0.48,0.37,0,51.51,23.78,0,0,5.12,0,16.42,0.73
R11107_Italy_bc-Pian_Sultano,0,0,1.27,0,51.48,23.67,0,0,6.23,0.38,16.75,0.22
 
Thanks to Jovialis and Pax and Salento:

My results using the complete set of Etruscan samples: B.C., Imperial and EMA as presented here.
Distance to:Angela
5.15410516R10343_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
6.39419268C.Italy_Early.Medieval_undated:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany):ETR010
6.66446547C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_1018-1151CE:TAQ022
7.26718653C.Italy_Early.Medieval:poggioPelliccia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_772-960CE:pOP001
8.05195628C.Italy_Etruscan:Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_750-406BCE:VET001
8.26525257C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_:TAQ006
8.33593426C.Italy_Imperial:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_89-236CE:TAQ020
8.88801440C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)_772-888CE:ETR006
8.96155678C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_899-1021CE:TAQ009
9.04024889C.Italy_Etruscan:Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_790-550BCE:VEU001
9.06009382R10344_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
9.27407677C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)C899-1016CE:ETR013
9.28820758C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_895-1016CE:TAQ011
9.36452882C.Italy_Etruscan:Volterra(Pisa_Tuscany)_200-60BCE:VOL001
9.50057893C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany):CSN013
10.00465891C.Italy_Etruscan:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_346-51BCE:TAQ015
10.05611257C.Italy_Etruscan:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_356-96BCE:TAQ024
10.12604069C.Italy_Etruscan:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_427-265BCE:CSN009
10.13955620C.Italy_Etruscan:Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_800-590BCE:VET003_4
10.22931572C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio):TAQ013
10.25778729S.Italy_Venosa:Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_660-766CE:VEN008
10.48135487C.Italy_Etruscan:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_533-392BCE:CSN006
10.54234319C.Italy_Etruscan:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_103BCE-54CE:TAQ002
10.57215683R10338_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
10.66444091C.Italy_Etruscan:MaglianoinToscana(Grosseto_Tuscany)_790-550BCE:MAG001

The modern closest samples to 2,3,and 4 I provided up thread.

This is the closest modern group to my first closest sample:
Distance to:R10343_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
4.23489079Italian_Lombardy
5.18297212Italian_Liguria
5.53000000Italian_Emilia
6.44970542French_Corsica
6.51933279Italian_Tuscany
6.81667808Italian_Piedmont
7.52742071Swiss_Italian
7.59028326Italian_Veneto
9.16475313Italian_Trentino
9.29428857Italian_Romagna
10.44050765Spanish_Baleares
10.59155796Italian_Friuli_VG
10.87286991Italian_Aosta_Valley
11.21395113Italian_Umbria
12.02955111Spanish_Castilla-Leon
12.27713729Spanish_Valencia
12.31253605Italian_Marche
12.38050080Portuguese
12.98645448Spanish_Catalonia
12.99473355Italian_Lazio
13.08614917Spanish_Canarias
13.84442487Spanish_Andalusia
14.19827454Spanish_Aragon
14.37990612Spanish_Galicia
14.74407678Albanian_Kosovo


My closest EMA samples are closest to Corsica, Romagna, Marche and Umbria.

Distance to:C.Italy_Early.Medieval_undated:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscan y):ETR010
5.02440046French_Corsica
5.26141084Italian_Marche
5.52515158Italian_Romagna
5.71244256Italian_Umbria
6.59193447Italian_Tuscany
6.84526113Italian_Lazio
8.15754865Italian_Emilia
8.87920605Italian_Liguria
9.69074301Italian_Abruzzo
10.01716527Italian_Molise
10.99793617Albanian
11.10661515Italian_Campania
11.19838381Italian_Lombardy
11.75719780Greek_Central
11.84891134Greek_Athens
12.31078795Greek_Thrace
12.36642228Italian_Apulia
12.44993574Italian_Basilicata
12.45418002Greek_Thessaly
12.45619525Italian_Piedmont
12.49764378Italian_Sicily
12.64545373Italian_Veneto
12.79305671Albanian_Kosovo
12.86448600Greek_Peloponnese
13.48138717Greek_Thessaloniki





Distance to:C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_10 18-1151CE:TAQ022
3.91677163Italian_Romagna
4.05738832Italian_Umbria
4.62531339Italian_Marche
5.07221845Italian_Lazio
5.31941726Italian_Tuscany
6.52240753Italian_Emilia
6.86460487French_Corsica
7.29891088Italian_Liguria
8.50792572Albanian
9.38618133Greek_Thessaly
9.51462558Greek_Thrace
9.63508173Italian_Lombardy
9.63739073Italian_Abruzzo
9.64062757Albanian_Kosovo
9.79988265Italian_Veneto
10.10194041Italian_Piedmont
10.31402443Greek_Central
10.57133861Greek_Peloponnese
10.66870189Greek_Thessaloniki
10.69634050Greek_Athens
10.94870769Italian_Molise
10.98788424Macedonian_South
11.09392627Macedonian_Vardar
11.64879393Italian_Apulia
11.87412313Italian_Friuli_VG


Distance to:C.Italy_Early.Medieval:poggioPelliccia(Grosseto_Tu scany)_772-960CE:pOP001
2.98288451Italian_Umbria
3.02848147Italian_Romagna
3.73006756Italian_Marche
4.57890817Italian_Lazio
4.90730068Italian_Tuscany
6.49943074Italian_Emilia
6.55141206French_Corsica
7.34635284Italian_Liguria
7.91252172Albanian
9.05593176Italian_Abruzzo
9.11566235Greek_Thrace
9.17095415Greek_Thessaly
9.30773334Albanian_Kosovo
9.54426006Greek_Central
9.77453835Italian_Lombardy
9.78190677Greek_Athens
9.87338848Italian_Molise
10.17379968Greek_Peloponnese
10.29294419Italian_Veneto
10.34659364Greek_Thessaloniki
10.53009022Italian_Piedmont
10.90444863Macedonian_South
11.11422512Italian_Apulia
11.31634658Italian_Campania
11.37142032Macedonian_Vardar

I don't see East Med populations anywhere, and as with the Latin samples, I'm at a respectable distance to some Etruscan B.C. samples.

So, the Etruscans and the Latins didn't go anywhere; they just mixed with some Minoan/Anatolian Bronze Age people, with the amount following the "Italian cline".
 
Angela said:
Thanks to Jovialis and Pax and Salento:

My results using the complete set of Etruscan samples: B.C., Imperial and EMA as presented here.
Distance to:Angela
5.15410516R10343_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
6.39419268C.Italy_Early.Medieval_undated:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany):ETR010
6.66446547C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_1018-1151CE:TAQ022
7.26718653C.Italy_Early.Medieval:poggioPelliccia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_772-960CE:pOP001
8.05195628C.Italy_Etruscan:Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_750-406BCE:VET001
8.26525257C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_:TAQ006
8.33593426C.Italy_Imperial:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_89-236CE:TAQ020
8.88801440C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)_772-888CE:ETR006
8.96155678C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_899-1021CE:TAQ009
9.04024889C.Italy_Etruscan:Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_790-550BCE:VEU001
9.06009382R10344_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
9.27407677C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscany)C899-1016CE:ETR013
9.28820758C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_895-1016CE:TAQ011
9.36452882C.Italy_Etruscan:Volterra(Pisa_Tuscany)_200-60BCE:VOL001
9.50057893C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany):CSN013
10.00465891C.Italy_Etruscan:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_346-51BCE:TAQ015
10.05611257C.Italy_Etruscan:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_356-96BCE:TAQ024
10.12604069C.Italy_Etruscan:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_427-265BCE:CSN009
10.13955620C.Italy_Etruscan:Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_800-590BCE:VET003_4
10.22931572C.Italy_Etruscan_undated:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio):TAQ013
10.25778729S.Italy_Venosa:Venosa(Potenza_Basilicata)_660-766CE:VEN008
10.48135487C.Italy_Etruscan:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_533-392BCE:CSN006
10.54234319C.Italy_Etruscan:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_103BCE-54CE:TAQ002
10.57215683R10338_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
10.66444091C.Italy_Etruscan:MaglianoinToscana(Grosseto_Tuscany)_790-550BCE:MAG001

The modern closest samples to 2,3,and 4 I provided up thread.

This is the closest modern group to my first closest sample:
Distance to:R10343_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
4.23489079Italian_Lombardy
5.18297212Italian_Liguria
5.53000000Italian_Emilia
6.44970542French_Corsica
6.51933279Italian_Tuscany
6.81667808Italian_Piedmont
7.52742071Swiss_Italian
7.59028326Italian_Veneto
9.16475313Italian_Trentino
9.29428857Italian_Romagna
10.44050765Spanish_Baleares
10.59155796Italian_Friuli_VG
10.87286991Italian_Aosta_Valley
11.21395113Italian_Umbria
12.02955111Spanish_Castilla-Leon
12.27713729Spanish_Valencia
12.31253605Italian_Marche
12.38050080Portuguese
12.98645448Spanish_Catalonia
12.99473355Italian_Lazio
13.08614917Spanish_Canarias
13.84442487Spanish_Andalusia
14.19827454Spanish_Aragon
14.37990612Spanish_Galicia
14.74407678Albanian_Kosovo


My closest EMA samples are closest to Corsica, Romagna, Marche and Umbria.

Distance to:C.Italy_Early.Medieval_undated:Chiusi(Siena_Tuscan y):ETR010
5.02440046French_Corsica
5.26141084Italian_Marche
5.52515158Italian_Romagna
5.71244256Italian_Umbria
6.59193447Italian_Tuscany
6.84526113Italian_Lazio
8.15754865Italian_Emilia
8.87920605Italian_Liguria
9.69074301Italian_Abruzzo
10.01716527Italian_Molise
10.99793617Albanian
11.10661515Italian_Campania
11.19838381Italian_Lombardy
11.75719780Greek_Central
11.84891134Greek_Athens
12.31078795Greek_Thrace
12.36642228Italian_Apulia
12.44993574Italian_Basilicata
12.45418002Greek_Thessaly
12.45619525Italian_Piedmont
12.49764378Italian_Sicily
12.64545373Italian_Veneto
12.79305671Albanian_Kosovo
12.86448600Greek_Peloponnese
13.48138717Greek_Thessaloniki





Distance to:C.Italy_Early.Medieval:Tarquinia(Viterbo_Lazio)_10 18-1151CE:TAQ022
3.91677163Italian_Romagna
4.05738832Italian_Umbria
4.62531339Italian_Marche
5.07221845Italian_Lazio
5.31941726Italian_Tuscany
6.52240753Italian_Emilia
6.86460487French_Corsica
7.29891088Italian_Liguria
8.50792572Albanian
9.38618133Greek_Thessaly
9.51462558Greek_Thrace
9.63508173Italian_Lombardy
9.63739073Italian_Abruzzo
9.64062757Albanian_Kosovo
9.79988265Italian_Veneto
10.10194041Italian_Piedmont
10.31402443Greek_Central
10.57133861Greek_Peloponnese
10.66870189Greek_Thessaloniki
10.69634050Greek_Athens
10.94870769Italian_Molise
10.98788424Macedonian_South
11.09392627Macedonian_Vardar
11.64879393Italian_Apulia
11.87412313Italian_Friuli_VG


Distance to:C.Italy_Early.Medieval:poggioPelliccia(Grosseto_Tu scany)_772-960CE:pOP001
2.98288451Italian_Umbria
3.02848147Italian_Romagna
3.73006756Italian_Marche
4.57890817Italian_Lazio
4.90730068Italian_Tuscany
6.49943074Italian_Emilia
6.55141206French_Corsica
7.34635284Italian_Liguria
7.91252172Albanian
9.05593176Italian_Abruzzo
9.11566235Greek_Thrace
9.17095415Greek_Thessaly
9.30773334Albanian_Kosovo
9.54426006Greek_Central
9.77453835Italian_Lombardy
9.78190677Greek_Athens
9.87338848Italian_Molise
10.17379968Greek_Peloponnese
10.29294419Italian_Veneto
10.34659364Greek_Thessaloniki
10.53009022Italian_Piedmont
10.90444863Macedonian_South
11.11422512Italian_Apulia
11.31634658Italian_Campania
11.37142032Macedonian_Vardar

I don't see East Med populations anywhere, and as with the Latin samples, I'm at a respectable distance to some Etruscan B.C. samples.

So, the Etruscans and the Latins didn't go anywhere; they just mixed with some Minoan/Anatolian Bronze Age people, with the amount following the "Italian cline".
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I believe this is the most plausible theory.

Basically, the south was Minoan-like, mixed with Italic/Etruscan-like people, as well as some Anatolia_BA-like people which creates the core of it. I believe the same dynamic happened in the Balkans, except, instead of Italic/Etruscans, it was people local Northern-shifted Balkan groups to there who were similar. Because the Balkans is also partly Aegean_IA-like on a cline to southern Greece.
 
I wonder if there is anything to this, if there was a minoan-like presence, there could have also been a yamnaya-minoan-like cline as well. I wonder is there is anything to the fact that Yamnaya_Bulgaria_o, Scythians, Helladic_Lokgos_MBA, Mycenaean form a bridge between Minoan and Yamnaya.

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Jovialis said:
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Very interesting. The ABA would have gone into the Minoans as well.

Can't wait to see if Reich or someone has Bronze Age Southern Italian samples which look "Minoan like", or if the ABA came largely later.
 
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