V13* or CTS5856*

[Hairarmy]

I am 10th Gen American My E-Ft191655 came from the Goode Family 1650 Cornwall/Southern England. I am Predominantly Scandinavian/ Celtic and am V13>CTS8814>CTS5856>BY4877>BY3880>Z5018>S2979>BY61 25>BY6113>FT191655 big Y700 with FTDNA. I an not certain but I believe my path went along the Danube North. I think my line entry into England may have been with the Anglo-Saxon purely based on the Goode Family History back to 1300 but I cannot be Certain.

[Riverman]

I am 10th Gen American My E-Ft191655 came from the Goode Family 1650 Cornwall/Southern England. I am Predominantly Scandinavian/ Celtic and am V13>CTS8814>CTS5856>BY4877>BY3880>Z5018>S2979>BY61 25>BY6113>FT191655 big Y700 with FTDNA. I an not certain but I believe my path went along the Danube North. I think my line entry into England may have been with the Anglo-Saxon purely based on the Goode Family History back to 1300 but I cannot be Certain.

Your main lineage which I would keep an eye on is quite obviously E-BY6113. All English on FTDNA, but really, really young and shallow. This means it could have been in Britain from the Bronze Age or being much younger, we can't tell at this point.

Just to compare it with mongrels subclade, its a simlar situation with his upstream E-BY70909, but the difference is, the subclades of E-BY70909 being at least somewhat older and quite widespread. But in the end, we don't know it for sure for both of you without more ancient and modern sampling with matches which will point to a concrete time span for the entry point to Britain.

Many chances for between the Bronze Age and the Norman conquest.

[Hairarmy]

Do you have a thought on the Split of S2979? Seems many are Albanian, but I have Zero Albanian Matches or Connections. I feel like my branch would have split off before then

[Hawk]

Do you have a thought on the Split of S2979? Seems many are Albanian, but I have Zero Albanian Matches or Connections. I feel like my branch would have split off before then

E-V13 S2979 is widespread in Central Europe as well, for example my specific S2979 subclade FGC33621 has more diversity in Central-Western Europe than Balkans, like Berisha-Sopi who has a founder effect during Middle Ages, and the other FGC33621 that is present in Bulgaria, Romania and Greece is A10158 which was either spread via Urnfield Late Bronze Age or La Tene Celtic invasions during 4-3 century b.c.

[Riverman]

E-S2979 is so old, it predates most likely many of the regional splits, which happened later.
I would expect it to split already in or close to the source region of E-V13 before its LBA expansion.

[Hairarmy]

E-V13 S2979 is widespread in Central Europe as well, for example my specific S2979 subclade FGC33621 has more diversity in Central-Western Europe than Balkans, like Berisha-Sopi who has a founder effect during Middle Ages, and the other FGC33621 that is present in Bulgaria, Romania and Greece is A10158 which was either spread via Urnfield Late Bronze Age or La Tene Celtic invasions during 4-3 century b.c.

Thanks for the Graphics and Information. My Autosomal ius Predominantly Celtic and Scandi which fits an assimilation with La Tene

[mongrel]

Just come through, I'm negative for FT98195.

No other test currently being done

[mongrel]

Just for interests sake, these are a selection from my top Deep Dive results from MTA.....

Best of the bunch is:

Bronze Age Jutland Denmark 1400 BC (Rise47)
mtDNA: IY-DNA: R1b1a1b (M269/PF6517)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 6)
37 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 158.5 cM
Largest chain: 236 SNPs / 11.23 cM

You are a top 96 % match to this sample! This makes your relationship to this individual exceptional.

And then...
Viking Invader Ridgeway Hill England 998 AD (VK261)
mtDNA Haplogroup: H52
Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a1b1a1a2a (BY127)
Genetic Distance: 7.4492
Sample Match! 99% closer than other users


Bucy-le-Long Gallic Chariot Burial France 400BC (BFM265)
mtDNA Haplogroup: U2e1b2
Genetic Distance: 8.9292
Sample Match! 100% closer than other users

Don't know how to take these as, obviously, my haplogroup isn't the same! Are they of any real value?

[Hawk]

Just come through, I'm negative for FT98195.

No other test currently being done

Your lineage is a Danubo-Carpathian/Eastern Urnfield lineage who was incorporated in Western Urnfield/Hallstatt by Celts/Gauls mainly.

[Riverman]

Just for interests sake, these are a selection from my top Deep Dive results from MTA.....

Best of the bunch is:

Bronze Age Jutland Denmark 1400 BC (Rise47)
mtDNA: IY-DNA: R1b1a1b (M269/PF6517)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 6)
37 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 158.5 cM
Largest chain: 236 SNPs / 11.23 cM

You are a top 96 % match to this sample! This makes your relationship to this individual exceptional.

And then...
Viking Invader Ridgeway Hill England 998 AD (VK261)
mtDNA Haplogroup: H52
Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a1b1a1a2a (BY127)
Genetic Distance: 7.4492
Sample Match! 99% closer than other users


Bucy-le-Long Gallic Chariot Burial France 400BC (BFM265)
mtDNA Haplogroup: U2e1b2
Genetic Distance: 8.9292
Sample Match! 100% closer than other users

Don't know how to take these as, obviously, my haplogroup isn't the same! Are they of any real value?

Its just a general autosomal similarity, which might not even point to direct ancestry. They do give you an IBD analysis too, with shared SNP and segments, but these are not that reliable. Going by back in time, haplogroups and IBD sharing is oftentimes more important than a general similarity. I'm unlikely to have Langobard ancestry of signficance, but there are Langobards with the right mixture of Germanic with Slavic-like and Roman-like, so I get them as top matches in most calculators. Actually I'm a on MTA a 100 % match vs all users for one of them.
In your case it might be very real, but I woulnd't trust it all too much, especially if its MTA. Their IBD sharing is surely insufficient, because I can't share with a Viking who lived 1.000 years ago 200 cM, including one segment almost having the size of 50 cM. That won't work out. Actual fairly close relatives of mine share less with me.