Why do native Iron Age Balkanites plot over modern Italians?

We lived to see the day when the Italians also to claim our culture and heritage. You write nonsense. As the Balkans have changed since then, so have you. Historically and culturally you have nothing to do with the Balkans if we exclude the regular mixtures from all over Europe during Rome, many of the legions were Thracians, at least three of them. The rest are your fantasies.
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Maciamo's "Italian_Greeks_(n=2)", which is a combination of R437 and R850 is a very good proxy for Aegean_IA, especially from the Greeks found in Campania, who plot between them.
R1 + Aegean_IA for Italy works both historically, and modeling:
JL1lDkc.png
Your y dna line has nothing to do with Balkans or old Europe, that's for sure, but mine was found in both Thracians and proto Bulgarians.
how the Semitic mixture affects (very visible with including south italy and Greece in you profile)and accidentally puts you in an area next to the Thracians is pure coincidence. I am just 100% east balkans, nothing from Italy nothing from greece ( I am local with the typical for locals components today).
 
You have almost nothing to do with these people:
Distance to:Balkan_(Bulgaria)_IA:I5769:Mathieson_2018
9.93399839Italian_Marche
10.06689624French_Corsica
10.48634827Italian_Campania
10.82355302Italian_Abruzzo
11.46389114Italian_Lazio
11.62009036Italian_Romagna
12.30486489Italian_Sicily
12.77579352Italian_Calabria
13.08537351Italian_Tuscany
13.42223901Ashkenazi_Jews
13.47702489Italian_Apulia
13.72006195Greek_Athens
14.07487478Greek_Central
14.51890836Greek_Foca
14.57305047Italian_Emilia
14.58877651Albanian
14.69527815Moldovan_Jewish
15.00197987Greek_Lemnos
15.14945214Italian_Liguria
15.27454091Greek_Icaria
15.35805977Italian_Jews
15.46250950Greek_Izmir
15.83988005Greek_Peloponnese
15.89330991Greek_Fournoi
16.28460930Sephardic_Jews
16.31570716Greek_Thrace
16.62914911Greek_Thessaly
16.97911658Greek_Thessaloniki
17.08565480Greek_Crete
17.23798712Italian_Lombardy
17.56960728Albanian_Kosovo
17.58261926Morocco_Jews
17.90415315Greek_Kos
18.09109726Greek_Rhodes
18.75633760Italian_Piedmont
18.75888323Italian_Veneto
19.23244134Bulgarian_Thrace
19.34208882Macedonian_South
19.97022784Macedonian_Vardar
20.43432896Greek_Macedonia
20.47465751Turk_Makedonya
21.06948030Italian_Friuli_VG
21.19744354Swiss_Italian
21.22313832Macedonian_East
21.84876427Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje
22.09046401Macedonian_Polog
22.33944493Italian_Trentino
22.76021529Turk_Cyprus
22.95812928Sardinian
23.22266996Bulgarian_East
23.27446025Moldovan_Gagauz
23.41369471Turk_Trakya
24.14725450Greek_Cypriot
24.20697833Spanish_Canarias
24.61627510Bulgarian_Central
24.95553646Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
24.96455287Spanish_Baleares
25.03997604Turk_Deliorman
25.07955741Italian_Aosta_Valley
25.37242795Portuguese
25.50004510Pomak_Bulgaria
25.62808030Bulgarian_West
25.89377338Pomak_Greece
25.94147259Spanish_Castilla-Leon
26.03606921Moldovan_South
26.07655844Romanian
26.40204538Spanish_Valencia
26.44984121Greek_Cappadocia
26.85663605Turk_West_BlackSea
27.17547976Turk_Northwest
27.46114710Montenegrin
27.51541386Spanish_Andalusia
27.53951162Spanish_Catalonia
28.06417823Turk_Southwest
28.24661927Spanish_Aragon
28.27168902Spanish_Galicia
28.32023658Turk_Central_West
28.79363992Spanish_Asturias
29.24099861Nusayri_Turkey
29.31651582Spanish_Cantabria
30.34026862Turk_Central_East
30.88389710Spanish_La_Rioja
30.95594935Turk_South
31.02476430Turk_Central_Black_Sea
31.21045017Serb
31.23947503Lebanese_Christian
31.40061146Lebanese_Muslim
32.07274856Palestinian_Christian
32.24265653Jordanian_Christian
32.46694011Palestinian
32.51912975Turk_Southeast
32.57728657Syrian_SW_Christian
33.18760009Moldovan_Central
33.36607259Jordanian_Muslim
33.60565131Bavarian_German
34.10900174Turk_East
34.15463219French_Northeast
34.19288669Syrian_Muslim
34.51146186Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
34.78966082French_Southwest
If we mix Eastern European and Japanese we might get Kazakhstan autosomal for example,if we mix mid east and north Europe we might get Balkans or Italy,Anatolia or whatever, depends on autosomal profile.So you can rather have ancestry that mimic similarity with Balkan people and not that you descent from these people but you're descendant of people with similar autosomal DNA.For the same reason Balkan man that is autosomal Italian does not make him Italian.And you're wrong if anyone in the world has to do with Balkan Iron age or BA inhabitants that would again be the modern inhabitants,since they did not jumped collectively out of the Balkans.
 
If we mix Eastern European and Japanese we might get Kazakhstan autosomal for example,if we mix mid east and north Europe we might get Balkans or Italy,Anatolia or whatever, depends on autosomal profile.So you can rather have ancestry that mimic similarity with Balkan people and not that you descent from these people but you're descendant of people with similar autosomal DNA.For the same reason Balkan man that is autosomal Italian does not make him Italian.And you're wrong if anyone in the world has to do with Balkan Iron age or BA inhabitants that would again be the modern inhabitants,since they did not jumped collectively out of the Balkans.

My preferences mean nothing.

The point is, Balkanites in the Iron Age were similar to Italians, and now they are not today, because of Northeastern European Ancestry. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Also, R1 and Aegean_IA are a good fit, as I have demonstrated. Both of those ancestries are in Italy, and are consistent with history.

Do you not read, not understand English? Or perhaps you are misrepresenting what I am saying on purpose?
 
Your y dna line has nothing to do with Balkans or old Europe, that's for sure, but mine was found in both Thracians and proto Bulgarians.
how the Semitic mixture affects (very visible with including south italy and Greece in you profile)and accidentally puts you in an area next to the Thracians is pure coincidence. I am just 100% east balkans, nothing from Italy nothing from greece ( I am local with the typical for locals components today).

Actually my Y-line does come from the Balkans in the Early Bronze Age, not that it even matters that much, since it is such a small part of the bigger picture.
 
You are writing nonsense, disregarding historical reality and linguistic data. The Greeks are mixed with the locals, but this does not entitle them to claim old history today, just like the Turks. They are on lands with a history that does not really concern them.
As I said, the Mycenaean documents support what I said, they did not speak Greek. The Greeks are Indo-Europeanized Semites.The old toponymy from Greece is eloquent.

Read the Olalde paper, I didn't make up the model that shows that Italians plot with Iron Age Balkans.

The reason is because they used to be the same kind of stock genetic profile, before the middle ages. The point is, the people in the Balkans have changed from it.
 
9aJyCVE.png


Maciamo's "Italian_Greeks_(n=2)", which is a combination of R437 and R850 is a very good proxy for Aegean_IA, especially from the Greeks found in Campania, who plot between them.

R1 + Aegean_IA for Italy works both historically, and modeling:

JL1lDkc.png

At Milian.M, does this look like something non-consistent with history and genetics? As I said in the first post, R1 (which is similar to Croatia_IA/BA) mixed with Aegean_IA, they were both in Italy. The Balkans used to have Northern Italian-like people, who mixed with Aegeans in the south. They don't exist anymore in the Balkans because of invasions in the middle ages.

You have more to do with the Kuline Cluster, stop pretending like your people started in the Iron Age. Your ancestry came into existence when the Balkans was augmented by the Slavs in the middle ages.
 
You are writing nonsense, disregarding historical reality and linguistic data. The Greeks are mixed with the locals, but this does not entitle them to claim old history today, just like the Turks. They are on lands with a history that does not really concern them.
As I said, the Mycenaean documents support what I said, they did not speak Greek. The Greeks are Indo-Europeanized Semites.The old toponymy from Greece is eloquent.


The only thing visible in this post is that you have a low-IQ.

Don't think I don't know who you are either, because you are not that slick.
 
No one is furious at people who point out Sardinians are what many mainland Italians looked like before later augmentation. I find it strange some people are when it comes to the Balkans being similar to Italians before augmentation.
 
This IMO is more accurate.
Target: Albanian
Distance: 1.8677% / 0.01867691
41.0BGR_IA
37.2Italian_Tuscany
21.8Ukrainian

Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.1909% / 0.01190940

56.8Polish
26.8BGR_IA
16.4Italian_Tuscany
 
This IMO is more accurate.
Target: Albanian
Distance: 1.8677% / 0.01867691
41.0BGR_IA
37.2Italian_Tuscany
21.8Ukrainian

Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.1909% / 0.01190940
56.8Polish
26.8BGR_IA
16.4Italian_Tuscany

Albanians certainly do have a closer affinity to Bulgarian_IA than many others in the Balkans, about as much as Northern Greeks.
 
If we mix Eastern European and Japanese we might get Kazakhstan autosomal for example,if we mix mid east and north Europe we might get Balkans or Italy,Anatolia or whatever, depends on autosomal profile.So you can rather have ancestry that mimic similarity with Balkan people and not that you descent from these people but you're descendant of people with similar autosomal DNA.For the same reason Balkan man that is autosomal Italian does not make him Italian.And you're wrong if anyone in the world has to do with Balkan Iron age or BA inhabitants that would again be the modern inhabitants,since they did not jumped collectively out of the Balkans.

Are you really not aware that Jovialis didn't say anything that would contradict this?

Many of my highest matches are to Balkan Early and Middle Bronze Age people. People north of me on the peninsula are even closer. It of course doesn't mean I'm descended from them. I'm descended from people who are a lot like them.

Maybe try reading the posts again.
 
This IMO is more accurate.
Target: Albanian
Distance: 1.8677% / 0.01867691
41.0BGR_IA
37.2Italian_Tuscany
21.8Ukrainian

Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.1909% / 0.01190940
56.8Polish
26.8BGR_IA
16.4Italian_Tuscany

It's not historically plausible. Modern Tuscans didn't go to Albania or Serbia. It's also true, however, that Albanians are more "native" than Croatians, Serbs, Romanians etc.

I've been saying that since the old dna-forums days, not that the Albanians ever give me credit for stopping the t-rolling against them calling them Turkish transplants.

In fact, everything I ever predicted about the Balkans has been proven by ancient dna, even if the percentages leave something to be desired.
 
It's not historically plausible. Modern Tuscans didn't go to Albania or Serbia. It's also true, however, that Albanians are more "native" than Croatians, Serbs, Romanians etc.

I've been saying that since the old dna-forums days, not that the Albanians ever give me credit for stopping the t-rolling against them calling them Turkish transplants.

In fact, everything I ever predicted about the Balkans has been proven by ancient dna, even if the percentages leave something to be desired.

Sorry but aren't you the one always saying Albanians are not of Illyrian stock? Mainly due to BA Croatia western PCA.
 
Archetype0ne, and yourself, from what I remember off the top of my head.

I don't think I have ever said anything against that paper. In fact I think it's a great one, just wish they had shown more IA samples, but they will probably appear in future ones.
 
It's not historically plausible. Modern Tuscans didn't go to Albania or Serbia. It's also true, however, that Albanians are more "native" than Croatians, Serbs, Romanians etc.

I've been saying that since the old dna-forums days, not that the Albanians ever give me credit for stopping the t-rolling against them calling them Turkish transplants.

In fact, everything I ever predicted about the Balkans has been proven by ancient dna, even if the percentages leave something to be desired.

I was using Tuscans as a source for native Balkanites. Some late antiquity Roman samples overlap with Tuscans.
 
my main matches from MTA ...removed the AD noted ones


1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.903 - R1
Top 100 % match vs all users


7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
Top 98 % match vs all users


10. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.904 - scy197b
Top 97 % match vs all users


13. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.09 - I7043
Top 98 % match vs all users



17. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.08 - I3313B
Top 96 % match vs all users


18. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.11 - I3313C
Top 96 % match vs all users
 
Blablabla is the Romanian tr0ll I'm sure. I'm not going to go through the exhaustive motions of refuting his claims of Myceneans being semtic. Honestly, I wonder if this person ate lead-paint chips as a child.

I avow Blablabla astonished me more than a time in more than a thread! An other way to reason?
 

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