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It is interesting to me
Since my own subclade is shared
With a sefhardi
With italian jewish surname
That might suggest his ancestor was in italy
And came to turkey in 16th centurey from italy
By explusion from the pope state
My subclade, G2a-Z1903, has both Jewish & non-Jewish branches, and has connections to both Etruria and Sardinia. I'm beginning to think I might carry some small fraction of Italian Jewish ancestry, as my Iberomaurusian component is higher than average. It could also reflect Phoenician ancestry. Or some other variable. Whether the ancestry is on my Y-line or simply autosomal, I can only speculate.
The surname Simonetti appears in my family tree in the 1700s. Simonetti looks to my eyes like a Jewish surname, but it doesn't appear on any list of Italian Jewish surnames. So who knows.
a sefhardi
With italian jewish surname
That might suggest his ancestor was in italy
And came to turkey in 16th centurey from italy
To be clear, Simonetti is not on my direct paternal line. My surname is much more Latin-sounding. I just think it likely that I have Jewish ancestry. Or something closely akin. Seems the most plausible theory.Simonetti is not considered a Jewish surname in Italy, even if it is derived from Simone-Shimeon, it is one of the many surnames ending with the suffix -etto (-etti is the plural), and has many variants: Simoni, Simonelli... In Calabria is more common Simonetta.
On Yfull the oldest ancient sample of G2a-Z1903 (formed 8300 ybp, TMRCA 4800 ybp) is from Sicily (I3125) and is dated 1500 BC, Middle Bronze Age. When does the ethnogenesis of the Jewish people begin? I do not know if any others have been found, likely more ancient samples will be found soon from other parts of Europe having G2a-Z1903 a TMRCA dating back to almost 3000 BC.
Lipson believes that certain Jewish lineages have a West Mediterranean origin and are partially descended from Etruscan populations
The Calabrian Jews who could afford to move (rather than convert) tended to head that direction, Corfu or Thessaloniki. Supposedly 4 of 30 synagogues in Thessaloniki were Calabrian exiles.
What do the numbers represent? Total individuals? Total households?
Great presentation by Dr. Beider. He notes that by 1660 the Romaniote population had merged with the Sephardic & Italian populations, at least in Constantinople. My impression is that none of these populations survive in a "pristine" pre-1492 form for genetic testing.
I wonder about the origin of the Sephardic and Italian Jewish populations, how much of their ancestry was local to Spain & Southern Italy, and how much could be traced to specifically Levantine lineages (or separated from Carthage).
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