Swiss y haplogroups

[kingjohn]

The Y-chromosomal haplotype and haplogroup distribution of modern Switzerland still reflects the alpine divide as a geographical barrier for human migration

Abstract
A sample of 606 Swiss individuals has been characterized for 27 Y-STR and 34 Y-SNPs, defining major European haplogroups. For the first time, a subsample from the southernmost part of Switzerland, the Italian speaking canton Ticino, has been included. The data reveals significant intra-national differences in the distribution of haplogroups R1b-U106, R1b-U152, I1 and J2a north and south of the alpine divide, with R1b-U152 being the most frequent haplogroup among all Swiss subpopulations, reaching 26 % in average and 53 % in the Ticino sample. In addition, a high percentage of haplogroup E1b1b-M35 in Eastern Switzerland corresponds well with data reported from Western Austria. In general, we detected a low level of differentiation between the subgroups north of the alpine divide. The dataset also revealed a variety of microvariants. Some of them were previously known to be associated with particular haplogroups. However, we discovered one microvariant in DYS533 that seems to be closely associated with haplogroup I2-P215 (xM223). This association had not yet been reported to date. The concordance study with two STR-kits suggests that the DYS533 microvariant is due to an InDel in the flanking regions of the marker. One individual carried a large deletion, frequently detected in people of East Asian ancestry, encompassing the amelogenin locus. To our knowledge, this is the first time that such a deletion has been observed within European haplogroup R1b-U152. This is the first comprehensive Y chromosomal dataset for Switzerland, demonstrating significant population substructure due to an intra-national geographical barrier.

Source:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1872497320301186#upi0015

 

[Riverman]

Both the West and East have more E-V13 than the North, Central and South. St. Gallen is a centre, probably because of Alpine/Rhaetoromans or specific Germanic settler groups. Allemannic people have a generally higher frequency of E-V13 than core Bavarians, but not by as much. Still this makes a Romance origin more likely.

 

[kingjohn]

Both the West and East have more E-V13 than the North, Central and South. St. Gallen is a centre, probably because of Alpine/Rhaetoromans or specific Germanic settler groups. Allemannic people have a generally higher frequency of E-V13 than core Bavarians, but not by as much. Still this makes a Romance origin more likely.

yes though the focus of this research should be y haplogroup r1b-u152
which is huge everywhere in switzerland
r1b u-152 was found in ancient swiss remains
if i am not wrong so pretty cool for them the continuinty of there male line in that land
about e-v13 should be more in east and west than in other regions you said correctly

	NW	CS	WS	SG	BE	TI	Hg (tot)
E1b1b (M35)	4	4	9	13**	4	6	7
G (M201)	12	9	6	6	12	4	9
I1 (M253)	13	9	10	12	11	2*	10
I2 (M223)	7	5	3	4	4	–	4
I2 (P215)	4	4	2	1	2	2	2
J1 (M267)	1	1	–	–	1	–	0
J2a (M410)	1	1	4	6	–	10*	3
J2b (M102)	4	3	3	1	3	4	3
N (M46)	–	–	–	1	–	–	0
O (M175)	–	–	1	–	–	–	0
QR (M45)	–	–	–	–	2	–	0
R1a (M198)	7	4	5	4	4	2	4
R1b (U106)	12	15	12	13	17	2*	13
R1b (U152)	19	29	24	28	20	53***	26
R1b (U198)	1	–	–	–	1	–	0
R1b (M269)	14	14	19	13	18	16	16
R1b (M343)	–	–	1	–	–	–	0
R2 (M124)	–	–	–	–	1	–	0
KLT (M9)	2	1	1	–	2	–	1
F (M213)	–	1	–	–	–	–	0

Fig. 4. Maps of Switzerland with geographical representations of five haplogroups, showing significant differences in geographical spread: (a) I1-M253, (b) J2a-M410, (c) R1b-U106, (d) R1b-U152, (e) E1b1b-M35.


p.s
side note although much rare than e-v13
in the e3b project i do see some
non e-v13 types in switzerland: e-L791 , E-M81 , E-PF2431, E-FGC18401

 

[Vallicanus]

Is there a breakdown of Z36, Z56 and L2 for the Swiss?

 

[kingjohn]

Is there a breakdown of Z36, Z56 and L2 for the Swiss?

no
it is basic
don't get it why in the year 2020
they couldn't break those y haplogroups to branches
maybe it cost them to much money who knows :upset:

 

[Riverman]

yes though the focus of this research should be y haplogroup r1b-u152
which is huge everywhere in switzerland
r1b u-152 was found in ancient swiss remains
if i am not wrong so pretty cool for them the continuinty of there male line in that land
about e-v13 should be more in east and west than in other regions you said correctly

	NW	CS	WS	SG	BE	TI	Hg (tot)
E1b1b (M35)	4	4	9	13**	4	6	7
G (M201)	12	9	6	6	12	4	9
I1 (M253)	13	9	10	12	11	2*	10
I2 (M223)	7	5	3	4	4	–	4
I2 (P215)	4	4	2	1	2	2	2
J1 (M267)	1	1	–	–	1	–	0
J2a (M410)	1	1	4	6	–	10*	3
J2b (M102)	4	3	3	1	3	4	3
N (M46)	–	–	–	1	–	–	0
O (M175)	–	–	1	–	–	–	0
QR (M45)	–	–	–	–	2	–	0
R1a (M198)	7	4	5	4	4	2	4
R1b (U106)	12	15	12	13	17	2*	13
R1b (U152)	19	29	24	28	20	53***	26
R1b (U198)	1	–	–	–	1	–	0
R1b (M269)	14	14	19	13	18	16	16
R1b (M343)	–	–	1	–	–	–	0
R2 (M124)	–	–	–	–	1	–	0
KLT (M9)	2	1	1	–	2	–	1
F (M213)	–	1	–	–	–	–	0

Fig. 4. Maps of Switzerland with geographical representations of five haplogroups, showing significant differences in geographical spread: (a) I1-M253, (b) J2a-M410, (c) R1b-U106, (d) R1b-U152, (e) E1b1b-M35.


p.s
side note although much rare than e-v13
in the e3b project i do see some
non e-v13 types in switzerland: e-L791 , E-M81 , E-PF2431, E-FGC18401

True, not all E-V13. In some regions up to one third could be other E1b1b lineages.

 

[Riverman]

In any case its the other way around, St. Gallen and Tyrol have higher percentages of E-V13, whereas the Bavarian core has less, Franconia and the rest of Austria more again, with Upper Austria in between:
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml

Baden-W?rttemberg, especially around the Rhenish regions seems to have more than Bavaria by far, but that's rather my impression, I saw no data like for Switzerland, Italy, Austria, Czech Republic etc. Both Bavarian Germanics and Slovenian Slavs cut holes into the E-V13 distribution, that's quite clear, even if comparing them with their direct neighbours from the same linguistic group.

In Switzerland the association of I1 and U106 with Germanic settlement is very obvious in comparison to Italy, whereas the French Swiss seems to have received a similar amount of Germanic patrilineages.

 

[kingjohn]

In any case its the other way around, St. Gallen and Tyrol have higher percentages of E-V13, whereas the Bavarian core has less, Franconia and the rest of Austria more again, with Upper Austria in between:
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml

Baden-W�rttemberg, especially around the Rhenish regions seems to have more than Bavaria by far, but that's rather my impression, I saw no data like for Switzerland, Italy, Austria, Czech Republic etc. Both Bavarian Germanics and Slovenian Slavs cut holes into the E-V13 distribution, that's quite clear, even if comparing them with their direct neighbours from the same linguistic group.

In Switzerland the association of I1 and U106 with Germanic settlement is very obvious in comparison to Italy, whereas the French Swiss seems to have received a similar amount of Germanic patrilineages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetii

or even earlier presence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallstatt_culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Tène_culture

 

[Riverman]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetii

or even earlier presence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallstatt_culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Tène_culture

St. Gallen and Tyrol I'd say comes from Hallstatt times, same for most of Austria. In Franconia its related to both pre-Slavic and Slavic inhabitants, they being closer connected to Saxons and Czechs in this respect than the Bavarian core to the South. It seems to me the Bavarians had a fairly big impact on the region and less E-V13 carriers incorporated than all the neighbouring groups, even Allemannic/Swabian and Hessians have more. This means also that Bavaria being split in the ethnolinguistic Bavarian core (low E-V13) and a higher one in the Swabian and Franconian part. You can draw the linguistic borderline along the E-V13 distribution between Bavarians and Swabians.
Same with Slovenians, all people around them have a higher percentage. The main region with a higher percentage (Lower Carniola) has a strong presence of Uskoks.

 

[Hawk]

St. Gallen and Tyrol I'd say comes from Hallstatt times, same for most of Austria. In Franconia its related to both pre-Slavic and Slavic inhabitants, they being closer connected to Saxons and Czechs in this respect than the Bavarian core to the South. It seems to me the Bavarians had a fairly big impact on the region and less E-V13 carriers incorporated than all the neighbouring groups, even Allemannic/Swabian and Hessians have more. This means also that Bavaria being split in the ethnolinguistic Bavarian core (low E-V13) and a higher one in the Swabian and Franconian part. You can draw the linguistic borderline along the E-V13 distribution between Bavarians and Swabians.
Same with Slovenians, all people around them have a higher percentage. The main region with a higher percentage (Lower Carniola) has a strong presence of Uskoks.

We need Early Iron Age to Classical time samples, the region of Dalmatia and that part was highly devastated after the War of the Batos, most of males were enslaved by Romans and put to work in Italian mines, probably the survivors retreated to mountains. No one would have guessed the Y-DNA of the region based on modern samples. It's quite tricky.

I guess that part was dominated by J2b2-L283 + R1bZ-Z2103, but also some E-V13 starting from Late Bronze Age.

 

[Riverman]

We need Early Iron Age to Classical time samples, the region of Dalmatia and that part was highly devastated after the War of the Batos, most of males were enslaved by Romans and put to work in Italian mines, probably the survivors retreated to mountains. No one would have guessed the Y-DNA of the region based on modern samples. It's quite tricky.

I guess that part was dominated by J2b2-L283 + R1bZ-Z2103, but also some E-V13 starting from Late Bronze Age.

V13 seems to have been weak in those Illyrian areas which had no or very late cremation and were later not closely connected to the Thraco-Cimmerian horizon and Basarabi-Hallstatt. Surely some trickling in is still possible, but no high percentage. But especially for Slovenia there were many major upheavals, so how much the modern distribution resembles the ancient is hard to tell.

 

[kingjohn]

What about the j2a
Cool clade here in this research
3% total
But 10% in Ti (Ticino)
Romans influnce ?

 

[Riverman]

What about the j2a
Cool clade here in this research
3% total
But 10% in Ti (Ticino)
Romans influnce ?

Eastern Hallstatt had influences from Pannonian-Illyrians and Daco-Thracians, they both spread with different groups within the Hallstatt sphere or fused. J-L283 seems to have been concentrated in or around Glasinac. The connection of Illyrian and Italic was closer, and they did land in a lot of Eastern Italy. E-V13 is the Alpine connection, J-L283 the Adriatic.

 

[kingjohn]

Eastern Hallstatt had influences from Pannonian-Illyrians and Daco-Thracians, they both spread with different groups within the Hallstatt sphere or fused. J-L283 seems to have been concentrated in or around Glasinac. The connection of Illyrian and Italic was closer, and they did land in a lot of Eastern Italy. E-V13 is the Alpine connection, J-L283 the Adriatic.

Thanks
But i asked specifically about j2a
Not j2b

 

[Riverman]

Thanks
But i asked specifically about j2a
Not j2b

Yes, that's remarkable, J1 is very low, but interestingly associated with Germanic regions, while J2a is definitely highest concentrated in Italian speakers, and also higher in French and Alpine Celto-Romanic influenced Germans. This speaks for a distribution within the Imperial system, probably a direct evidence for the survival of the more Greek-Near Eastern spread?

The Europe-wide distribution correlates very well with this explanation imho:
https://isogg.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J2a_(Y-DNA)

 

[Riverman]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetii

or even earlier presence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallstatt_culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Tène_culture

We know that the German and Roman settlement shifted things, but going by the old Celtic tribes, the Helvetii would be exactly in the later German area and have low E-V13. It would be rather about other Celts, especially the Vindelici. One could also say the Rhaetians, but the trend goes on in Sequani area. So its really about the Helvetii being not the right ones. But to draw an exact borderline between possible tribes like the Toygeni and Brigantii.

http://www.interfaze.ch/Kelten-Schweiz.html