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*I have decided to move over these posts to create a new thread, so I merged some posts from yesterday into one.

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Anatolia_ChL can be modeled Anatolia_N+CHG

We can see that Levant_BA reflects being Anatolia_N+CHG +50% Natufian, ultimately with a proclivity towards Iberomaurusian. This is a clearly distinguished ancestry with despite overlapping populations, a totally different trajectory.

I speculate when we have samples from Western Anatolia in the IA it will show an increase towards Mycenean populations, from the Anatolia_ChL/BA.

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When compared to the Roman samples from Antonio et al. 2019, Anatolia_ChL (who forms a clade with R850) has the closest affinity to C5 samples.

Distance to:Anatolian_C:I1584:Lazaridis_2016
3.52505319C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R43_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
6.02743727C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R78_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
6.47927465C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R44_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
6.90675756C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R72_ANAS
7.77466398C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R40_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
8.03390938C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R75_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
8.04949688C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R128_Casale_del_Dolce
8.33890880C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R39_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
8.34480677C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R1545_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
8.41464200C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R133_Marcellino_&_Pietro
8.44386168C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R130_Marcellino_&_Pietro
8.95796852C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R126_Casale_del_Dolce
9.07435948C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R123_Casale_del_Dolce
9.60440524C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R66_ANAS
9.71564717C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R125_Casale_del_Dolce
9.72472108C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R134_Marcellino_&_Pietro
9.88295502C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R69_ANAS
10.00589326C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R71_ANAS
10.04503858C5_Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R34_Mausole_di_Augusto
10.08269309C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R41_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
10.10374188C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R51_Centocelle_Necropolis
10.27978599C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R1548_Monterotondo
10.44314129C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R81_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
10.47407753C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R38_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
10.69957476C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R137_Marcellino_&_Pietro
11.17956171C5_Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R30_Mausole_di_Augusto
11.26824742C5_Iron_Age_Eastern_Mediterranean:R850_(Latini)_Ardea
11.49100083C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R70_ANAS
11.60740712C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R1543_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
12.00124160C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R115_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
12.99510292C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R76_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
13.34921721C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R50_Centocelle_Necropolis
13.66992319C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R53_Villa_Magna
13.72704630C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R114_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
14.11573944C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R436_Palestrina
14.34891285C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R73_ANAS
14.73445622C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R136_Marcellino_&_Pietro
14.96069517C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R65_Villa_Magna
15.18420232C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R1544_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
16.06634059C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R49_Centocelle_Necropolis
16.53667742C5_Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R32_Mausole_di_Augusto
16.55979770C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R58_Villa_Magna
16.58038902C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R117_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
16.81531147C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R1547_Monterotondo
16.82585808C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R64_Villa_Magna
16.85732778C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R57_Villa_Magna
16.85923486C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R56_Villa_Magna
17.06351078C5_Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R122_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
17.15030612C6_Iron_Age_Mediterranean:R437_(Latin_Prenestini_Tribe)_Palestrina_Selicata
17.15220977C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R47_Centocelle_Necropolis
17.24423672C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R131_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
17.34063724C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R973_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
17.58893686C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R42_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
17.65954699C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R35_Celio
17.68943753C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R68_ANAS
17.95391322C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R45_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
18.04601064C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R59_Villa_Magna
18.12803906C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R836_Civitanova_Marche
18.21869644C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R54_Villa_Magna
18.29085291C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R1551_Monterotondo
18.91602231C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1290_Villa_Magna
19.24364830C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R1550_Monterotondo
19.29442925C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R67_ANAS
19.29744543C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R52_Villa_Magna
19.57621005C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R113_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
20.78364742C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R107_Crypta_Balbi
21.15807175C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R835_Civitanova_Marche
21.67746064C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R969_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
22.16920386C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R60_Villa_Magna
22.36017665C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R121_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
22.42825004C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R970_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
22.56813461C3_Imperial_North_African:R80_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
23.00530156C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R118_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
24.26741643C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1283_Cancelleria
24.93698057C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R120_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
25.47549018C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1287_Cancelleria
25.47755875C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R111_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
25.74377012C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1285_Cancelleria
26.07787376C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R1549_Monterotondo
26.67048369C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R36_Celio
29.71903430C3_Imperial_North_African:R132_Marcellino_&_Pietro
31.03257321C2_Neolithic:R9_Grotta_Continenza
31.33652501C2_Neolithic:R18_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
31.83019636C3_Iron_Age_N_African/Euro-Mix:R475_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia
32.77869583C2_Neolithic:R17_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
33.37920311C2_Neolithic:R3_Grotta_Continenza
33.42381038C2_Neolithic:R19_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
33.54550939C7_Iron_Age_European:R1_(Protovillanovan)_Martinsicuro
34.24843938C2_Neolithic:R8_Grotta_Continenza
34.71804718C2_Neolithic:R10_Grotta_Continenza
34.97001001C7_Late_Antiquity_European:R33_Mausole_di_Augusto
35.68755665C2_Neolithic:R2_Grotta_Continenza
36.04268026C7_Medieval_European:R55_Villa_Magna
37.90870481C7_Iron_Age_European:R474_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia
38.41680362C7_Iron_Age_European:R1016_(Latini)_Castel_di_Decima
38.82371827C7_Late_Antiquity_European:R110_Crypta_Balbi
39.00446769C2_Neolithic:R16_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
39.03409023C7_Late_Antiquity_European:R105_Crypta_Balbi
39.16793587C7_Iron_Age_European:R1015_(Villanovan)_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
40.06456789C7_Iron_Age_European:R473_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia
40.41928253C7_Iron_Age_European:R1021_(Latini)_Boville_Ernica
41.96084365C7_Medieval_European:R61_Villa_Magna
42.89517805C7_Iron_Age_European:R851_(Latini)_Ardea
43.25498815C7_Medieval_European:R1221_Cancelleria
43.57297442C7_Late_Antiquity_European:R109_Crypta_Balbi
43.92618581C2_Chalcolithic:R4_Grotta_Continenza
44.68358088C7_Late_Antiquity_European:R108_Crypta_Balbi
44.86076014C7_Medieval_European:R1224_Cancelleria
44.99552200C2_Late_Antiquity_Sardinian-like:R104_Crypta_Balbi
45.92496924C7_Medieval_European:R63_Villa_Magna
46.53014184C7_Medieval_European:R1289_Cancelleria
46.55021804C7_Medieval_European:R1220_Cancelleria
46.90987742C2_Chalcolithic:R5_Grotta_Continenza
47.12841818C7_Iron_Age_European:R435_(Latin_Prenestini_Tribe)_Palestrina_Colombella
47.72689074C2_Chalcolithic:R1014_(Rinaldone_Gaudo)_Monte_San_Biagio
50.39231291C7_Late_Antiquity_European:R106_Crypta_Balbi
50.54978536C7_Medieval_European:R1219_Cancelleria
50.90951581C7_Medieval_European:R62_Villa_Magna
51.07967893C7_Imperial_European:R116_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
53.89403585C7_Medieval_European:R1288_Cancelleria
54.64609135C7_Imperial_European:R37_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
57.10742771C2_Neolithic:R6_Grotta_Continenza
57.64625573C7_Medieval_European:R1286_Cancelleria
58.29917324C7_Late_Antiquity_European:R31_Mausole_di_Augusto
77.36294850C1_Mesolithic:R7_Grotta_Continenza
78.07379714C1_Mesolithic:R11_Grotta_Continenza
79.23412333C1_Mesolithic:R15_Grotta_Continenza


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Comparing Anatolia_ChL to the samples form Antonio et al. 2019, and found C5 has an overwhelming representation in closest affinity. So I have put all of the samples that are in-between distance of R850 and Anatolia_ChL in one group call "Anatolia-Clade", represented on the 3D PCA alone.

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Code: 
Anatolia_ChL:I1584:Lazaridis_2016,10.33,0.52,1.61,0,25.25,3.95,0,0,11.17,0,45.91,1.28
Anatolian_BA:I2495:Lazaridis_2017,6.07,0,1.17,1.3,27.23,3.79,0,0,14.72,0,43.22,2.51
Anatolian_BA:I2499:Lazaridis_2017,7.88,0.24,1.61,0,26.13,4.81,0,1.72,13.22,0.03,44.36,0
Anatolian_BA:I2683:Lazaridis_2017,8.73,0.62,2.12,0.42,25.19,0.9,0,0,14.26,0,45.14,2.61
Anatolia-Clade:C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R126_Casale_del_Dolce,8.83,0.26,3.1,0.22,21.25,1.13,0.23,0,18.24,0.58,46.01,0.13
Anatolia-Clade:C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R38_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis,11.97,0.24,2.94,0,17.99,1.99,0.16,0.3,18.03,0,46.26,0.13
Anatolia-Clade:C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R41_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis,6.64,0,4.84,0.67,23.13,5.33,1.27,0.49,16.6,1.13,39.89,0
Anatolia-Clade:C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R75_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis,7.98,0,5.03,0,21.77,4.36,0.69,1.1,16,0,43.06,0
Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R123_Casale_del_Dolce,9.2,0,0.29,1.08,24.53,8.82,0,0,15.68,0,40.25,0.15
Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R128_Casale_del_Dolce,8.9,0,0.99,0,20.2,8.72,0.02,0,14.6,0,46.57,0
Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R130_Marcellino_&_Pietro,9.5,0,4.35,0,24.11,2.09,0.93,0,17.15,0,41.34,0.53
Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R133_Marcellino_&_Pietro,7.57,0.6,2.99,0.9,26.1,7.43,0.3,0,14.24,0,39.87,0
Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R134_Marcellino_&_Pietro,8.38,0,5,0.32,22.73,7.35,0,1.16,15.45,0,39.61,0
Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R1545_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese,7.66,0,1.16,0.13,25.08,8.12,1.02,0.68,15.23,0,40.91,0.01
Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R1548_Monterotondo,10.45,0,1.98,0,23.44,10.87,0,0.17,13.89,0,39.2,0
Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R39_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis,7.28,0.63,4.84,0.13,24.91,8.16,0,0,13.24,0,40.81,0
Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R40_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis,7.71,0.52,1.07,0,27.37,5.97,0.18,0,15.62,0,40.97,0.59
Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R43_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis,8.22,0,1.75,0,26.54,3.53,0,0,12.78,0,47.18,0
Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R44_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis,5.55,0,2.77,0,28.87,3.97,0.13,0,12.83,0,45.88,0
Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R66_ANAS,7.41,0,0,0.88,25.05,8.08,0,0,17.27,0,40.91,0.4
Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R69_ANAS,7.53,0.81,1.02,0.13,27.49,11.79,0,0,9.62,0,41.55,0.06
Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R71_ANAS,6.68,0,5.09,0,20.64,2.69,0,0,11.98,0,52.93,0
Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R72_ANAS,8.65,0.16,0.83,0,23.62,5.24,0,0,17.14,0,44.18,0.19
Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R78_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis,7.65,0,3.34,0,22.1,4.52,0,0.02,13.76,0,48.61,0
Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R81_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis,7.42,0.22,2.73,0,24.82,7.29,1.23,0.08,17.23,0,38.98,0
R850:(Latini_o)_Ardea,7.3,0,4.52,1.08,21.26,10.54,0,0.43,14.77,0,40.1,0
Anatolia-Clade:C5_Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R30_Mausole_di_Augusto,7.67,0,4.49,0.47,27.34,8.56,0.25,1.38,11.74,0.86,37,0.24
Anatolia-Clade:C5_Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R34_Mausole_di_Augusto,7.07,0,5.54,0.36,23.2,8.09,0,0.46,15.08,0,39.85,0.35
Anatolia-Clade:C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R125_Casale_del_Dolce,8.93,0,2.88,0,27.65,10.15,0,0,10.93,0,39.18,0.28
Anatolia-Clade:C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R137_Marcellino_&_Pietro,9.38,0,2.53,0.51,28.21,9.34,0,0.62,11.96,0,37.44,0
Anatolia-Clade:C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R51_Centocelle_Necropolis,7.59,0,1.8,0,26.04,10.54,0,0,13.48,1.12,39.43,0
C1:Mesolithic:R11_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,0,0.61,34.46,64.51,0,0,0,0,0,0.42
C1:Mesolithic:R15_Grotta_Continenza,0,0.02,0,0.67,32.48,66.25,0.59,0,0,0,0,0
C1:Mesolithic:R7_Grotta_Continenza,0,0.1,0,0,35.6,63.41,0,0,0,0.23,0,0.66
C2:Chalcolithic:R1014_(Rinaldone_Gaudo)_Monte_San_Biagio,0,0,4.04,0,62.82,4.57,0,0,10.06,0,18.52,0
C2:Chalcolithic:R4_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,2.77,0.12,60.45,3.99,0,0,10.54,0.02,21.81,0.32
C2:Chalcolithic:R5_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,2.97,0,63.17,3.07,0,0,10.39,0,20.4,0
C2:Late_Antiquity_Sardinian-like:R104_Crypta_Balbi,0,0,4.78,0.01,59.82,6.86,0,0.35,8.65,0,19.53,0
C2:Neolithic:R10_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,3.5,0,53.49,0,0,0,13.65,0,29.36,0
C2:Neolithic:R16_Ripabianca_di_Monterado,0,0,2.95,0,58.11,1.77,0,0,9.21,0,27.95,0
C2:Neolithic:R17_Ripabianca_di_Monterado,0,0,4.12,0,50.89,3.18,0,0,13.16,0,28.66,0
C2:Neolithic:R18_Ripabianca_di_Monterado,0,0,3.76,0,52.08,0,0,0.13,9.55,0,34.48,0
C2:Neolithic:R19_Ripabianca_di_Monterado,0,0,2.57,0,52.75,2.04,0,0,12.41,0,30.22,0
C2:Neolithic:R2_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,3.98,0,54.74,0,0,0,11.9,0,29.37,0
C2:Neolithic:R3_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,4.25,0,53.26,0,0,0,10.6,0,31.83,0.06
C2:Neolithic:R6_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,5.17,0,66.71,11.16,0,0.32,7.34,0.2,9.11,0
C2:Neolithic:R8_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,2.83,0,53.23,0,0,0,13.82,0.25,29.87,0
C2:Neolithic:R9_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,3.27,0,50.85,0,0,0,13.25,0,32.63,0
C3:Imperial_North_African:R132_Marcellino_&_Pietro,1.95,0,17.82,1.68,24.91,4.2,0,6.73,16.66,0.14,24.2,1.71
C3:Imperial_North_African:R80_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis,3.36,0,11.53,0,27.44,7.57,0,3.32,16.77,0.53,28.55,0.92
C3:Iron_Age_N_African/Euro-Mix:R475_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia,0,0,13.01,0,38.12,12.14,0.37,1.98,11.26,0,22.7,0.42
C4:Imperial_Near_Eastern:R1547_Monterotondo,8.11,0,5.71,0.6,17.28,0,0.11,1.9,23.95,0,42.35,0
C4:Imperial_Near_Eastern:R1550_Monterotondo,12.14,0,7.34,0.46,14.89,1.07,0,1.17,23.92,0.34,38.67,0
C4:Imperial_Near_Eastern:R1551_Monterotondo,14.46,0,0.14,0,10.32,4.49,0,0.8,14.76,0,54.71,0.33
C4:Imperial_Near_Eastern:R42_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis,8.59,0,4.11,0.7,15.99,0,0,2.43,24.73,0.11,43.35,0
C4:Imperial_Near_Eastern:R67_ANAS,18.68,0,4.6,1.07,9.94,3.61,0.35,1.73,17.57,0,42.45,0
C4:Imperial_Near_Eastern:R68_ANAS,17.97,0,3.37,0.05,12.85,0.02,0.07,0.75,20.03,0,44.4,0.49
C4:Imperial_Near_Eastern:R70_ANAS,9.49,0,2.06,0,21.22,2.38,0,1.98,20.77,0,42.11,0
C4:Imperial_Near_Eastern:R73_ANAS,10.54,0,6.31,0,23.41,4.26,0.54,1.07,18.58,0,34.82,0.46
C4:Imperial_Near_Eastern:R76_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis,7.62,0,2.87,0,16.37,6.49,0.44,0,19.71,0,46.28,0.23
C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R114_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis,8.09,0,1.77,0,24.05,13.69,0,0,14.58,0,37.27,0.55
C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R115_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis,8.07,0.32,4.39,0,21.27,10.82,0.08,0,15.83,0,39.22,0
C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R1543_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese,8.61,0,6.43,0,21.01,9.18,0.27,0.24,15.01,0.04,39.07,0.15
C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R45_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis,5.04,0,9.86,0,27.46,7.12,0.8,0,16.44,0,32.4,0.88
C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R50_Centocelle_Necropolis,7.53,0,1.05,0.21,25.19,11.68,0.91,0,15.88,0,36.59,0.96
C5:Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R122_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia,7.08,0,4.18,0,30.04,13.41,0,1.27,10.43,0.03,33.34,0.22
C5:Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R32_Mausole_di_Augusto,5.9,0,7.07,0.12,29.06,12.9,1.05,1.03,7.57,0,35.31,0
C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R111_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis,6.64,0,0.78,0,36.44,17.99,0,0,9.81,0,28.34,0
C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R113_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis,8.45,0,3.11,0,34.12,13.68,0,0,8.74,0,31.9,0
C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R131_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis,7.3,0.24,0.94,0.57,31.63,13.18,0.27,0,11.79,0,33.23,0.84
C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R136_Marcellino_&_Pietro,8.83,0.08,3.88,0,26.08,13.09,0.38,0,12.75,0,34.91,0
C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R1544_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese,9.52,0.56,2.18,0,26.06,13.98,0,0,12.91,0,34.79,0
C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R1549_Monterotondo,9.97,0,3.98,0.04,27.49,20.49,0,0.96,10.94,0.05,26.09,0
C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R436_Palestrina,9.6,0,1.82,0.43,26.49,13.28,0.49,0,12.29,0,35.59,0
C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R47_Centocelle_Necropolis,9.46,0.81,6.07,0,29.75,11.89,0,0,9.42,0.26,32.29,0.04
C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R49_Centocelle_Necropolis,7.98,0,1.6,0,29.25,14.18,0,1.09,11.35,0,34.56,0
C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R835_Civitanova_Marche,8.06,0.47,2.84,1.58,30.3,16.15,0,0,10.89,0,29.71,0
C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R836_Civitanova_Marche,8.69,0,0.99,0,30.95,15.55,0,0,10.4,0,33.42,0
C6:Iron_Age_Mediterranean:R437_(Latin_Prenestini_Tribe)_Palestrina_Selicata,6.45,0,3.03,0,33.19,11.94,0,0,11.63,0,33.74,0.02
C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R107_Crypta_Balbi,3.12,0,2.59,0,30.01,16.9,1.72,0,13.16,0,32.5,0
C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R117_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia,10.46,0,2.59,0,30.04,12.2,0,1.12,11.07,0,32.5,0.03
C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R118_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia,7.28,0.85,1.85,0,34.72,14.81,0,0,11.95,0,28.29,0.24
C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R120_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia,5.11,0.47,2.1,0,33.79,17.98,0,1.11,11.27,0,27.96,0.21
C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R121_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia,7.68,0,2.81,0,29.21,18.18,0,0.9,11.76,0,29.47,0
C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R35_Celio,5.62,0,4.55,0.11,28.56,13.42,1.72,0.59,12.58,0,32.74,0.11
C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R36_Celio,7.23,0,3.17,0,32.85,20.1,0,0.35,9.77,0,26.5,0.02
C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1283_Cancelleria,4.58,0,1.73,0,34.27,18.15,0,0.08,11.02,0,29.41,0.75
C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1285_Cancelleria,3.81,0,0.85,0,37.37,17.26,1.47,0.56,9.42,0.11,28.92,0.22
C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1287_Cancelleria,4.06,0.07,3.1,0.26,36.74,17.09,0,0.92,9.04,0,28.72,0
C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1290_Villa_Magna,6.3,0,1.09,0.34,30.16,15.96,0.27,0,12.04,0.09,32.81,0.93
C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R52_Villa_Magna,6.33,0.03,2.97,0.51,32.78,13.44,0,0,11.7,0.26,31.55,0.43
C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R53_Villa_Magna,8.14,0,2.82,0,26.42,13.27,0.28,0,12.24,0.36,36.47,0
C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R54_Villa_Magna,8.69,0,2.1,0.6,27.47,15.83,0.33,0.49,11.57,0.23,32.47,0.23
C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R56_Villa_Magna,7.11,0.35,3.14,0,30.08,13.27,0,1.09,11.58,0,33.32,0.08
C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R57_Villa_Magna,6.89,0,2.97,0.58,27.5,15.59,0.32,0,11.52,0,34.62,0
C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R58_Villa_Magna,5.26,0,1.27,0,28.14,15.43,0,1.23,12.83,0,35.8,0.05
C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R59_Villa_Magna,4.24,0,2.25,0.19,28.74,15.8,0.31,0,12.53,0.66,34.39,0.88
C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R60_Villa_Magna,6.75,0.68,3.35,0,27.36,18.94,0,1.54,11.04,0,30.34,0
C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R64_Villa_Magna,9.93,1.36,1.96,0,27.12,14.16,0,0.7,11.69,0,32.77,0.3
C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R65_Villa_Magna,7.61,0,2.22,0.3,28.15,13.4,0,0,12.74,0,35.2,0.38
C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R969_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti,6.45,0.25,0.99,0,30.4,17.81,0.65,1.1,11.67,0,30.67,0
C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R970_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti,9.25,0,5.12,0.53,29.32,18.41,0,0,7.11,0,30.25,0.01
C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R973_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti,8.17,0.16,2.94,0,28.76,15.28,0,0,10.56,0.15,33.57,0.4
C7:Imperial_European:R116_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis,5.91,0.1,1.46,0.63,44.11,34.08,0,0,3.33,0,10.38,0
C7:Imperial_European:R37_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis,2.14,1,2.7,0,50.7,31.46,0,0,4.24,0,7.65,0.12
Protovillanovan:Iron_Age_European:R1_(Protovillanovan)_Martinsicuro,5.02,1.78,1.33,0,35.08,26.46,0,0,5.43,0,24.5,0.4
Villanovan:Iron_Age_European:R1015_(Villanovan)_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia,1.56,0.19,2.85,0.26,47.15,21.66,0,0,5.46,0,20.85,0
Latini:Iron_Age_European:R1016_(Latini)_Castel_di_Decima,3.86,0.98,1.53,0.19,47.23,20.37,1.43,0,3.31,0,21.1,0
Latini:Iron_Age_European:R1021_(Latini)_Boville_Ernica,2.11,0,1.96,0.6,47.7,24.04,0,0,1.33,0,22.26,0
Prenestini:Iron_Age_European:R435_(Latin_Prenestini_Tribe)_Palestrina_Colombella,4.84,0.64,0.65,0,47.12,28.54,0.15,0,4.13,0,13.4,0.53
Etruscan:Iron_Age_European:R473_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia,1.01,0,0.68,0.15,47.26,22.79,0,0.21,7.39,0,20.17,0.34
Etruscan:Iron_Age_European:R474_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia,7.14,0.17,2.38,0,39.08,25.74,0,0,5.98,0,18.84,0.66
Latini:Iron_Age_European:R851_(Latini)_Ardea,1.59,0,1.39,0,49.28,24.97,0,0.14,1.93,0,20.26,0.45
C7:Late_Antiquity_European:R105_Crypta_Balbi,6.44,0.32,4.78,0.53,36.54,27.56,0,0,5.54,0,17.97,0.32
C7:Late_Antiquity_European:R106_Crypta_Balbi,10.12,0,1.03,0,32.93,38.92,1.43,0,4.07,0,11.22,0.28
C7:Late_Antiquity_European:R108_Crypta_Balbi,5.92,0,1.71,1.18,35.43,34.64,0,0,5.06,0,16.06,0
C7:Late_Antiquity_European:R109_Crypta_Balbi,4.36,0,0.84,0,41.26,29.23,0,0.72,8.18,0.42,15,0
C7:Late_Antiquity_European:R110_Crypta_Balbi,4.57,1.19,2.38,0.76,41.91,24.74,0.07,0,5.24,0,18.96,0.17
C7:Late_Antiquity_European:R31_Mausole_di_Augusto,5.84,0.94,0.78,0,36.7,45.57,0,0,1.73,0,8.17,0.27
C7:Late_Antiquity_European:R33_Mausole_di_Augusto,3.17,0,0.94,0.28,36.83,26.77,0.81,0.78,6.72,0,23.7,0
C7:Medieval_European:R1219_Cancelleria,5.41,1.1,0.62,0,33.71,41.27,0.26,1.03,1.96,0,14.64,0
C7:Medieval_European:R1220_Cancelleria,8.3,0,1.95,0,35.89,34.62,0.22,0,4.39,0.47,13.32,0.82
C7:Medieval_European:R1221_Cancelleria,8.1,0,2.34,0.49,37.74,30.14,1.07,0,5.02,0.51,14.57,0
C7:Medieval_European:R1224_Cancelleria,8.22,0,0.3,0,39.76,31.51,1.23,0.65,3.29,0,14.75,0.29
C7:Medieval_European:R1286_Cancelleria,7.61,0,0,0,35.1,45.43,0,0.12,2.1,1.05,8.35,0.24
C7:Medieval_European:R1288_Cancelleria,4.3,0.07,0,0.33,37.75,41.25,0,0.99,2.37,1.76,10.76,0.43
C7:Medieval_European:R1289_Cancelleria,5.78,0,1.08,0,47.4,25.74,1.87,0.62,4.57,0.14,12.29,0.5
C7:Medieval_European:R55_Villa_Magna,6.32,0,1.47,0.24,36.06,27.04,0.1,0,7.59,0,21.04,0.14
C7:Medieval_European:R61_Villa_Magna,1.37,0.04,3.55,0,35.8,32.5,1.16,0,4.96,0.89,19.29,0.44
C7:Medieval_European:R62_Villa_Magna,7.79,0.51,0.98,0,36.22,38.71,1.46,0,2.81,0,11.52,0
C7:Medieval_European:R63_Villa_Magna,2.65,0,4.67,0.48,45.4,26.94,0.9,0.04,4.71,0.5,13.32,0.39
Anatolia_N:Bar8,0,0,4.96,0,45.12,0,0,0,13.39,0.45,33.88,2.2
Anatolia_N:Bar31,0,0,4.68,0.92,45.75,0,0,0,14.24,0,31.86,2.55
Anatolia_N:I0707,0,0,3.82,0,46.96,0,0,0,12.73,0,36,0.5
Anatolia_N:I0708,0,0,3.45,0.8,42.52,0,0,0,13.71,0,38.72,0.8
Anatolia_N:I0709,0,0,3.45,0,48.41,0,0,0,14.24,0,33.17,0.72
Anatolia_N:I0723,0,0,3.8,0,48.97,0,0,0,13.1,0,34.14,0
Anatolia_N:I0724,0,1.05,4.23,0.77,49.05,2.81,0,0,6.23,0,35.86,0
Anatolia_N:I0726,0,0,3.52,0,46.26,0,0,0,12.91,0,37.31,0
Anatolia_N:I0727,0,0,0.15,0,48.13,0,0,0,8.96,0,39.5,3.26
Anatolia_N:I0736,0,0,4.01,0,47.13,0,0,0.41,15.03,0,33.32,0.1
Anatolia_N:I0744,0,0,2.91,0,47.83,0,0,0.05,13.81,0.12,34.86,0.42
Anatolia_N:I0745,0,0,4.13,0.23,44.32,0,0,0,16.4,0,34.52,0.41
Anatolia_N:I0746,0,0,3.28,0,46.07,0,0,0,14.14,0.04,35.98,0.48
Anatolia_N:I1096,0,0,4.86,0.57,46.03,0,0,0,12.98,0,35.07,0.49
Anatolia_N:I1097,0,0,4.69,0,47.66,0,0.09,0.11,14.53,0.09,32.34,0.48
Anatolia_N:I1098,0,0,3.4,0.04,43.69,0,0,0.1,14.46,0,37.29,1.02
Anatolia_N:I1099,0,0,6.23,0,45.67,0,0,0,12.75,0.06,34.94,0.35
Anatolia_N:I1100,0,0,5.75,0,48.38,0,0,0,16.19,0,29.49,0.19
Anatolia_N:I1101,0,0,6.16,0.42,47.53,0,0,0,15.25,0,30.45,0.19
Anatolia_N:I1102,0,0,1.6,0,49.87,0,0,0.07,14.98,0,32.7,0.78
Anatolia_N:I1103,0,0,5.72,0.25,43.21,0,0,0.06,15.99,0,34.1,0.66
Anatolia_N:I1580,0,0,3.27,0,46.67,0,0,0,15.5,0,33.86,0.7
Anatolia_N:I1581,0,0,3.99,0.23,47.19,0,0,0.24,15.67,0.1,32.11,0.47
Anatolia_N:I1583,0,0,5.02,0,45.43,0,0,0,14.23,0.17,34.85,0.3
EN_Steppe/EHG:EN_Steppe:I0122,21.8,6.24,0,0.46,0,69.85,0.91,0,0,0,0,0.74
EN_Steppe/EHG:EHG:I0124,6.54,0,0,0,0,73.66,19.8,0,0,0,0,0
EN_Steppe/EHG:EHGI0211,4.96,9.39,0,0,0,81.25,4.06,0,0,0,0,0.33
EN_Steppe/EHG:EN_Steppe:I0433,17.98,8.24,0,0,0,72.6,0.73,0,0,0,0,0.45
EN_Steppe/EHG:EN_Steppe:I0434,38.51,3.38,0,0,0,56.98,0,0,0,0,1.12,0
Iberomaurusian:TAF010,0,0.55,63.9,3.27,0,0.17,1.39,18.7,5.98,0,0,6.05
Iberomaurusian:TAF011,0,1.28,64.11,2.45,0,0.07,0.7,18.22,5.74,0.18,0,7.24
Iberomaurusian:TAF013,0,1.07,61.84,2.72,0,0.02,1.89,18.58,6.99,0,0,6.89
Iberomaurusian:TAF014,0,0.74,62.76,2.95,0,0,2.12,18.14,5.34,0,0,7.95
Iran_N:AH1,66.39,0,0,1.02,0,0.09,7.83,1.19,3.06,0,16.99,3.44
Iran_N:AH2,63.99,0,0,2.76,0,0,6.41,2.52,5.04,0,16.65,2.63
Iran_N:AH4,63.77,2.47,0,0,0,0,6.51,0.34,7.73,0,15.36,3.81
Iran_N:I1290,62.26,0,0,0,0,0,8.22,0,5.92,0,19.16,4.44
Iran_N:I1944,74.85,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.67,3.48,4.28,16.72,0
Iran_N:I1945,64.46,0,0,0,0,0.49,7.48,1.18,3.59,0,21.22,1.57
Iran_N:I1949,62.79,0,0,0,0,0,8.19,3.29,0,0,22.51,3.22
Iran_N:I1951,51.13,2.68,0,0,0,4.46,0,0,11.21,0,0,30.52
Iran_N:WC1,57.56,0,0,0,0,0,8.04,0.57,6.98,0,23.25,3.6
WHG:BerryAuBac,0,1.34,0,0,28.57,66.78,0,1.46,0,0.08,0,1.78
WHG:I0585_LaBrana1,0,0.36,0,2.58,29.68,63.52,2.95,0,0,0,0,0.91
WHG:I1507_KO1,0,0,0,0.42,26.48,71.19,0,0,0,0.2,0,1.72
WHG:I2158_OrienteC_HG,0,2.21,0,0,29.08,68.37,0,0,0,0,0,0.34
WHG:Loschbour,0,0,0,0,28.19,69.31,0.76,0,0,1.74,0,0
WHG:Falkenstein,0,2.36,0,0,32.2,58.74,4.12,0.44,0,0,0,2.14
WHG:Iboussieres-39,0,4.62,0,0,21.2,66.37,6.14,1.67,0,0,0,0
 
It's just such a lost opportunity that the authors of Antonio et al didn't do isotope analyses on these samples.

Where, for example did the Isola Sacra sample within a distance of 3 to Anatolia CHL come from?

Anyway, for what it's worth, I don't have any C5 in the first 25.

Distance to:Angela
6.16497364C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1285_Cancelleria
6.20277357C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1287_Cancelleria
6.88056684C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R111_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
9.01075469C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1283_Cancelleria
9.10639336Latini:Iron_Age_European:R1016_(Latini)_Castel_di_Decima
9.25401534C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R120_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
9.40637550C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R36_Celio
9.44550687C7:Late_Antiquity_European:R33_Mausole_di_Augusto
9.62536233Villanovan:Iron_Age_European:R1015_(Villanovan)_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
9.77791900C7:Late_Antiquity_European:R110_Crypta_Balbi
9.80933229Protovillanovan:Iron_Age_European:R1_(Protovillanovan)_Martinsicuro
10.29343966C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R118_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
10.75834095Etruscan:Iron_Age_European:R474_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia
10.90037614Latini:Iron_Age_European:R1021_(Latini)_Boville_Ernica
10.91931317Etruscan:Iron_Age_European:R473_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia
11.17449775C7:Medieval_European:R55_Villa_Magna
11.21049508C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R113_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
12.66488058C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R52_Villa_Magna
12.93934697C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R969_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
13.02476103C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R835_Civitanova_Marche
13.18824097Latini:Iron_Age_European:R851_(Latini)_Ardea
13.23034391C7:Late_Antiquity_European:R105_Crypta_Balbi
13.23050264C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R970_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
13.78224583C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R121_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
13.98339015C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R836_Civitanova_Marche

I have two in the first 50, the lowest at a distance of 15.
 
Angela said:
It's just such a lost opportunity that the authors of Antonio et al didn't do isotope analyses on these samples.

Where, for example did the Isola Sacra sample within a distance of 3 to Anatolia CHL come from?

Anyway, for what it's worth, I don't have any C5 in the first 25.

Distance to:Angela
6.16497364C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1285_Cancelleria
6.20277357C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1287_Cancelleria
6.88056684C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R111_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
9.01075469C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1283_Cancelleria
9.10639336Latini:Iron_Age_European:R1016_(Latini)_Castel_di_Decima
9.25401534C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R120_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
9.40637550C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R36_Celio
9.44550687C7:Late_Antiquity_European:R33_Mausole_di_Augusto
9.62536233Villanovan:Iron_Age_European:R1015_(Villanovan)_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
9.77791900C7:Late_Antiquity_European:R110_Crypta_Balbi
9.80933229Protovillanovan:Iron_Age_European:R1_(Protovillanovan)_Martinsicuro
10.29343966C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R118_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
10.75834095Etruscan:Iron_Age_European:R474_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia
10.90037614Latini:Iron_Age_European:R1021_(Latini)_Boville_Ernica
10.91931317Etruscan:Iron_Age_European:R473_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia
11.17449775C7:Medieval_European:R55_Villa_Magna
11.21049508C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R113_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
12.66488058C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R52_Villa_Magna
12.93934697C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R969_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
13.02476103C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R835_Civitanova_Marche
13.18824097Latini:Iron_Age_European:R851_(Latini)_Ardea
13.23034391C7:Late_Antiquity_European:R105_Crypta_Balbi
13.23050264C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R970_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
13.78224583C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R121_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
13.98339015C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R836_Civitanova_Marche

I have two in the first 50, the lowest at a distance of 15.
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Whoever they were, and to what extent of an impact they had, I don't think these kind of people exist anymore. Especially not after the invasion of the Turks.

Frankly, I am still convinced they were just Nabobs from the wealthy provinces in the east, there primarily for business. Rather than representative of the population.
 
Jovialis/Angela: Just found this thread. I have 1 C5 in my top 25, which is R122. When I run the model with the coordinates from Jovialis Post 1, I get a really good model here. Using this data, R850 does provide a good deal of source ancestry for me in this model but R850 is in fact a Republican Roman sample. Thanks for this thread. Great work.

Distance to:PalermoTrapani_ANCESTRY
2.59038607C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R56_Villa_Magna
2.76190152C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R52_Villa_Magna
3.27177322C5:Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R122_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
3.34701359C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R35_Celio
3.84983117C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R131_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
4.10471680C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R835_Civitanova_Marche
4.16370028C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1290_Villa_Magna
4.18976133C6:Iron_Age_Mediterranean:R437_(Latin_Prenestini_Tribe)_Palestrina_Selicata
4.32090268C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R973_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
4.54783465C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R49_Centocelle_Necropolis
4.57668002C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R117_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
4.82952379C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R65_Villa_Magna
4.83867751C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R54_Villa_Magna
5.03103369C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R836_Civitanova_Marche
5.10995108C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R57_Villa_Magna
5.30245226C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R47_Centocelle_Necropolis
5.32897739C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R59_Villa_Magna
5.43089311C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R969_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
5.46635162C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R64_Villa_Magna
5.50746766C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R121_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
5.68175149C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R107_Crypta_Balbi
5.70777540C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R113_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
5.90403252C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R118_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
6.04601522C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R136_Marcellino_&_Pietro
6.21821518C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R58_Villa_Magna

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R850 can, of course, be modeled as half "local" and half more "eastern", so the closeness to Anatolia CHL doesn't really tell us the source of the "other" ancestry. It does tell us that more "eastern" admixture was arriving in Rome even in the Republican Era, although it grew.

It will be very important to see the profile of western Anatolian people in the Iron Age, and whether they got more ancestry from CHG or from the Levant.
 
Angela said:
R850 can, of course, be modeled as half "local" and half more "eastern", so the closeness to Anatolia CHL doesn't really tell us the source of the "other" ancestry. It does tell us that more "eastern" admixture was arriving in Rome even in the Republican Era, although it grew.

It will be very important to see the profile of western Anatolian people in the Iron Age, and whether they got more ancestry from CHG or from the Levant.
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Ok, good point. Based on what you suggest, getting those Iron Age Samples from various Italian regions (I think the paper has lots of samples from Campania) would help out to see if there are others like R850. I suspect samples similar to R437 will be found in the South and Sicily. If I am reading Jovialis correctly, his hypothesis is R850 is representative of Republican era Greek like ancestry in Lazio?
 
IMHO, I think R850 looks like an Aegean islander. R437 looks more like an Achaean_BA/Balkan_IA. Both of those ancestries played a significant role in shaping Italians, particularly in the South, and Center. Antonio et al. 2019 shows those groups were there in the IA, and were among people who identified as Romans, along with the Italic/Etruscan groups.
 
Jovialis said:
IMHO, I think R850 looks like an Aegean islander. R437 looks more like an Achaean_BA/Balkan_IA. Both of those ancestries played a significant role in shaping Italians, particularly in the South, and Center. Antonio et al. 2019 shows those groups were there in the IA, and were among people who identified as Romans, along with the Italic/Etruscan groups.
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Jovialis: Thanks. I went back and checked the Iron Age samples from Antonio et al 2019 and R437 and R850 are my closest distances for the Republican Era Romans (Dodecad 12B). So your analysis is consistent with my results. Thanks again for analysis and data coordinates.

Distance to:PalermoTrapani_ANCESTRY
4.18976133C6_Iron_Age_Mediterranean:R437_(Latin_Prenestini_Tribe)_Palestrina_Selicata
13.23641568C5_Iron_Age_Eastern_Mediterranean:R850_(Latini)_Ardea
16.54641653C3_Iron_Age_N_African/Euro-Mix:R475_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia
17.40331865C7_Iron_Age_European:R1_(Protovillanovan)_Martinsicuro
20.72008205C7_Iron_Age_European:R474_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia
23.17349132C7_Iron_Age_European:R1015_(Villanovan)_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
23.21816315C7_Iron_Age_European:R1016_(Latini)_Castel_di_Decima
23.78614092C7_Iron_Age_European:R473_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia
25.41911682C7_Iron_Age_European:R1021_(Latini)_Boville_Ernica
27.54563123C7_Iron_Age_European:R851_(Latini)_Ardea
30.24831400C7_Iron_Age_European:R435_(Latin_Prenestini_Tribe)_Palestrina_Colombella
 
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Jovialis said:
IMHO, I think R850 looks like an Aegean islander. R437 looks more like an Achaean_BA/Balkan_IA. Both of those ancestries played a significant role in shaping Italians, particularly in the South, and Center. Antonio et al. 2019 shows those groups were there in the IA, and were among people who identified as Romans, along with the Italic/Etruscan groups.
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I thought R850 ( T1a1 ydna branch ) was an etruscan from the Rutuli tribe in the coastal town of Ardea in modern Lazio province ......................he had some cretan admixture
is this "etruscan" conclusion an error ?


my results below

Distance to: Torziok12b
1.89726118 C7:Medieval_European:R55_Villa_Magna
4.63928874 C7:Late_Antiquity_European:R105_Crypta_Balbi
4.65137614 Etruscan:Iron_Age_European:R474_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia
4.86300319 Protovillanovan:Iron_Age_European:R1_(Protovillanovan)_Martinsicuro
5.15625833 C7:Late_Antiquity_European:R33_Mausole_di_Augusto
7.28685117 C7:Medieval_European:R1221_Cancelleria
7.86207988 C7:Late_Antiquity_European:R110_Crypta_Balbi
7.88022842 C7:Medieval_European:R61_Villa_Magna
8.49518687 C7:Late_Antiquity_European:R108_Crypta_Balbi
8.88398559 C7:Medieval_European:R1224_Cancelleria
8.89470067 C7:Late_Antiquity_European:R109_Crypta_Balbi
10.37976878 C7:Medieval_European:R1220_Cancelleria
10.85074652 C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R36_Celio
13.01181771 C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R111_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
13.55029151 C7:Medieval_European:R63_Villa_Magna
13.60258064 C6:Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R120_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
13.78514055 C6:Imperial_Mediterranean:R1549_Monterotondo
14.00105710 Prenestini:Iron_Age_European:R435_(Latin_Prenestini_Tribe)_Palestrina_Colombella
14.07015281 Etruscan:Iron_Age_European:R473_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia
14.17418075 C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1287_Cancelleria
14.17553174 C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1283_Cancelleria
14.20373190 Villanovan:Iron_Age_European:R1015_(Villanovan)_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
14.28941216 C6:Medieval_Mediterranean:R1285_Cancelleria
14.41937585 Latini:Iron_Age_European:R1021_(Latini)_Boville_Ernica
14.47632550 Latini:Iron_Age_European:R1016_(Latini)_Castel_di_Decima



Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 72.3338% / 0.72333767 | ADC: 0.25x RC
75.2 C7
23.2 Protovillanovan
1.6 EN_Steppe/EHG
 
Torzio: R8850 is not from an Etruscan archeological site. The 3 Etruscans in this paper are R473, R474 and R475. Per Supplement of Antonio et al 2019 page 34.

Civitavecchia
Date Range: 700 BCE - 600 BCE
Individuals: R473, R474, R475


La Mattonara is an Iron Age Etruscan necropolis near the coastal town of Civitavecchia, on the Tyrrhenian Sea (129, 130). Archaeological evidence, such as storage rooms for traded goods and pits for salting and preserving seafood, suggests the economy of this and other coastal Etruscan towns was based on long-distance trade and the exploitation of marine resources (131). Civitavecchia later served as a major Roman port (built between 103 and 110 CE) and was known at the time as Centum Cellae.
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Torzio: R8850 is not from an Etruscan archeological site. The 3 Etruscans in this paper are R473, R474 and R475. Per Supplement of Antonio et al 2019 page 34.

Civitavecchia
Date Range: 700 BCE - 600 BCE
Individuals: R473, R474, R475


La Mattonara is an Iron Age Etruscan necropolis near the coastal town of Civitavecchia, on the Tyrrhenian Sea (129, 130). Archaeological evidence, such as storage rooms for traded goods and pits for salting and preserving seafood, suggests the economy of this and other coastal Etruscan towns was based on long-distance trade and the exploitation of marine resources (131). Civitavecchia later served as a major Roman port (built between 103 and 110 CE) and was known at the time as Centum Cellae.
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I have

Rutulian samples from Ardea (R850; 800-500bc) is admixed with 40% plus of the components of EEF + Steppe ......................R850(T-L208) from the core area of the Etruscan Rutuli tribe
The Rutuli or Rutulians were an ancient people in Italy. The Rutuli were located in a territory whose capital was the ancient town of Ardea,

There were some obscure traditions in antiquity that represented Ardea as founded by a colony from Argos [ARDEA], and these are regarded by Niebuhr as tending to prove that the Rutuli were a Pelasgic race. (Nieb. vol. i. p. 44, vol. ii. p. 21.) Schwegler, on the other hand considers them as connected with the Etruscans, and probably a relic of the period when that people had extended their dominion throughout Latium and Campania. This theory finds some support in the name of Turnus, which may probably be connected with Tyrrhenus, as well as in the union which the legend represents as subsisting between Turnus and the Etruscan king Mezentius.

But all we have confirmed is his haplogroup and admixture
 
The Rutuli or Rutulians (ancient italic Rudhuli, «the red ones» with the meaning of «the blond ones») were members of a legendary Italic tribe. The Rutuli were located in territory whose capital was the ancient town of Ardea, located about 35 km southeast of Rome.
Thought to have been descended from the Umbri and the Pelasgians, according modern scholars they were more probably connected with the Etruscan or the Ligurian peoples.

Anyhow....R850 is not an imperial Roman and I doubt he has any levant/middle east admix....he is pre- Republican roman period , which has no middle east admixture ...........he looks like a local from late bronze-age italic tribes
Maybe even a Roman ans the period he covers is when the etruscans ruled over Rome for over 200 years
 
Torzio: Well I am going by what the Archeologist say regarding which sites were Latin and which were Etruscan per what was reported in Antonio et al 2019. R850. The Posth et al 2021 paper identified 40 Etruscan samples of the 48 from the Republican/Iron Age era in that paper. I don't think any of them were Y DNA T. R1b seemed to be the majority, with some G2 and J2. So again I don't see any reason for R850 having Y DNA T defacto making him an Etruscan.
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Torzio: Well I am going by what the Archeologist say regarding which sites were Latin and which were Etruscan per what was reported in Antonio et al 2019. R850. The Posth et al 2021 paper identified 40 Etruscan samples of the 48 from the Republican/Iron Age era in that paper. I don't think any of them were Y DNA T. R1b seemed to be the majority, with some G2 and J2. So again I don't see any reason for R850 having Y DNA T defacto making him an Etruscan.
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of course he is T ydna .................where do you get your info he is not ?
R850
mtDNA: T2c1f
Y-DNA: T-L208


 
Torzio: Perhaps I was not clear with my earlier post. My point was just because R850 had Y DNA T does not defacto make him an Etruscan. That was the point I was making. The Posth et al 2021 paper as I noted analyzed 40 Etruscans (8 other ones from the Republican period were migrants) and none of those were Y DNA T.
 
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If we look at the dialects of Magna Graecia, we can see there are indeed both Achaeans, and Ionic-speaking Aegean Islanders among the populations. Even some of the Doric speakers could have either been from the Peloponnese or other Aegean Islands. The mixing of these two groups is evident in modern Southern Italians, as well as in Greece.
 
Jovialis said:
If the legend is true about Tarentum being descended from unmarried spartan women, then they probably come from the Peloponnese.
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the only spartans I recall out of Tarentum , was a failed invasion against the Messapics , IIRC about 420-400BC ...........Tarentum was never Messapic lands, so it was mainly Greek or originally an Italic tribe
 
Can anybody tell me how this connects (in any way) to my Pontic greek heritage?
Thanks in advance



Distance to:Akritas
5.50971869Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R128_Casale_del_Dolce
7.97622718Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R78_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
8.88100220Anatolia_ChL:I1584:Lazaridis_2016
9.50985279Anatolia-Clade:C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R38_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
10.07463647Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R72_ANAS
10.35158442C4:Imperial_Near_Eastern:R76_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
10.52931622Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R71_ANAS
10.54907105Anatolia-Clade:C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R75_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
10.61437704Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R43_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
10.75661657Anatolian_BA:I2499:Lazaridis_2017
11.12453145Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R1548_Monterotondo
11.32565230Anatolia-Clade:C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R126_Casale_del_Dolce
11.38018453R850:(Latini_o)_Ardea
11.50365159Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R123_Casale_del_Dolce
11.74336408Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R1545_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
11.78104834C4:Imperial_Near_Eastern:R1551_Monterotondo
11.88862061Anatolian_BA:I2683:Lazaridis_2017
11.91707179Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R39_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
11.92902343Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R134_Marcellino_&_Pietro
12.02024958C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R115_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
12.08083192C5:Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R1543_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
12.45971910Anatolia-Clade:C5_Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R34_Mausole_di_Augusto
12.67774428Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R66_ANAS
12.91063128Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R133_Marcellino_&_Pietro
13.00913525Anatolia-Clade:C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R69_ANAS

 
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