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What subclades? What are you even talking about? I have made a post that maybe E-V13 could be partly Italic given how spread it is in Italy, unlike in Iberia. Even though J2b has popped out but not E-V13 which make it extremely confusing.
Which old subclade are you even talking about? The Campanian study has over 100 samples, we will see if it is there.
I know that Goths did not bring all or even most of E-V13 in Italy, they were not numerous enough to do that.
Hello Hawk!
I was only researching my own Z17107 subbranch, not the much larger CTS9320, or the whole V13 kinship, but based on that, I can say to Riverman: Touchdown!!!! Congratulations!!! I think the key word for spreading our paternal line is the art of bronze casting. Bronzes from Piliny and Berkesz cultures have even been found in Scandinavia and the Rhine valley.
Not surprised.
[h=2]"Abstract[/h]A total of 314 individuals representing the three major ethno-linguistic groups (ethnic Macedonians, Albanians and Turks) in the Republic of North Macedonia were analyzed for Y-SNPs and Y-STRs using minisequencing and fragment analysis. The haplogroup composition differed remarkably between the three groups with dominance of haplogroup I2 in ethnic Macedonians (28.1%), E1b in Albanians (35.3%) and J2a (34.9%) in Turks, respectively. The haplotype analysis using the YFilerPlus kit disclosed a significant reduction in diversity values (DC, GD) for the Turkish subgroup compared to the Macedonian and Albanian speaking populations. The Y-STR based population analysis revealed a similarity of ethnic Macedonians with neighboring Serbians and Bulgarians. The same holds true for the Albanian speakers from Macedonia and Albania, whereas the Turkish minority in North Macedonia stands apart from the population in Turkey."
The term Balkanization means something, although it seems extraordinary to me that people can live side by side like this without mingling. It's not what happens in the U.S., but it's also not what happened with the Arbereshe in Southern Italy.
The isolation depends on cultural distance, ethnicity with language and religion.
If those three being combined, the chance for gene flow get lower.
Religion is usually the most important single factor.
Some Bulgarian regions reach the same level of E-V13 as do Albanians in Macedonia.
I get more and more curious as to where most of the R-Z2103 comes from in Albanians. It came with Yamnaya into Pannonia, the Central Balkans and Thrace, it might have been associated with Greek-Armenian too, but details are nebulous for potential other associations.
R1b z2103 is the true marker of proto illyrians
So far the association with J-L283 with Illyrians and E-V13 with Thracians seems to be more safe than for R-Z2103 in the Central Balkans imho. But we'll see.
Also, from my personal impression R-Z2103 seems to be not closer associated with J-L283 than E-V13 in the Carpatho-Balkan sphere, but that's debatable like many things I guess, especially since all three might have been together in the Maros and neighbouring groups at some point already. .
Stop embarrassing yourself. You're turning into a joke.
The Bronze/Age Iron Balkans had more than 1 Y-DNA/region.
So far the association with J-L283 with Illyrians and E-V13 with Thracians seems to be more safe than for R-Z2103 in the Central Balkans imho. But we'll see.
Also, from my personal impression R-Z2103 seems to be not closer associated with J-L283 than E-V13 in the Carpatho-Balkan sphere, but that's debatable like many things I guess, especially since all three might have been together in the Maros and neighbouring groups at some point already. .
Albos from Macedonia showed high E-V13 percentage ~35% ( just confirming older studies) by this peer reviewed study, but Macedonians seem to have high E-V13 as well, like ~20%, the title just showed the 1st Y-DNA with highest percentage present, the only Y-DNA which shows high percentages more than ~50% in the Balkans is Y-DNA I2a among Herzegovinians and to a degree Croats/Bosnians.
Other Y-DNA present among Albanians in Macedonia are R1b-Z2103(~18%) and J2b2-L283 (~14%).
more like 14-15% which is also significant % either way
i say this because some of the e-m35 haplotypes look (non e-v13) when i ran them in negven :
north macedonians
1 look e-m81
2 look e-v22
2 look e-m34>-z841
2 look e-v12>ct693
1 look e-L618>BY28614
p.s
but negven can be wrong( although it it is very good)
Ah, alright. I think i saw in anthrogenica in the thread summing up from various studies to ~20%, but a range from 14-20% is acceptable margin.
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