Thread: E-V13 Frequency Maps and Data

Especially the ratio of E-V13 vs. J2b is noteworthy. Very interesting, thanks. I was waiting for that paper, but kind of overlooked it when the data came finally out.
 
i know it is old still good paper
7.8% e-v13 total in italy :

The lowest values for haplogroup diversity (h) are observed in Sardinia, while the Italian peninsula is characterized by a negative correlation between haplogroup diversity and latitude, resulting in a south-north decreasing pattern of variation (Spearman's rho  = −0.463, p-value  = 0.036). The most frequent haplogroups in Italy are R-U152* (12.1%), G-P15 (11.1%), E-V13 (7.8%) and J-M410* (7.6%). They are followed by three R1b-lineages (R-M269*, R-P312* and R-L2*), whose frequencies ranged from 6.9% to 5.7%; and finally from I-M26, which embraced more than the 4% of total variability. On the whole these haplogroups encompass ∼62% of Y-chromosomes lineages, while the remaining 38 haplogroups show frequencies lower or equal to 3.3%. Haplogroups distribution in the considered eight sampling areas is detailed in Table S1.

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source:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0065441#pone.0065441.s012
 
I, II and VI are much above average. So the areas of both strong non-Italic and strong-post Roman influx:
- Liguria-Genua (Ligurians, Hallstatt?)
- Venetia (Venetic, Eastern Urnfield influences)
- Southern Italy (Greeks, Illyrians, Albanians)

IV (Etruscan-Italic, multicultural Roman zone) and VIII (Sardinia, but especially around Cagliari the local people have a very high diversity E-V13 presence, presumably from Liguria-Genua) are the lowest.

Its funny that Sardinia has overall a very low E-V13 frequency, but because of the really big sample taken, especially from Cagliari, we have a solid proven diversity and better knowledge of E-V13 diversity in Northern Italy through it. Interestingly, the Sardinian branches are largely old and independent, with the closest (still distant) related branches coming especially from the British Isles (England and Ireland primarily) and Germany-France, which would suggest a rather Hallstatt-La Tene connection.

I checked on FTDNA for Sardinian flags:
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-Z5017/tree
and
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-Z5018/tree

From E-Z5018:
E-Z21287
E-FTB70721
E-Z21366
E-S2972
E-Z42904

From E-Z5017:
E-BY4280
E-FT79167
E-Z16988
E-Z21328
E-PF6777

Practically no close Balkan connections, but a lot in Germany and the British Isles, but distant ones, very little or nothing after the Pre-Roman Iron Age.

If we would have such big samples from the region of Genua, the diversity would increase many times I guess. Definitely no recent bottlenecked founder effects.
 
this is also old but good paper :the 11.4% e-v13 in bergamo plain is interesting

Geographical-locations-of-the-10-analysed-Italian-population-samples.png


Haplogroup-frequencies-as-percentages-in-the-10-analysed-Italian-population-samples.png


from the pdf :
Y-chromosome haplogroups in Italian populations A total of 53 distinct lineages were identified; their frequency distributions in the examined Italian populations are reported in Supplementary Table S6 and illustrated according to their phylogenetic relationships in Figure 2.Haplogroup R is the most frequent (50.1%) with its two main branches, R1a (4.7%) and R1b (45.3%), the latter mainly accounted for by R1b-U152 (49.5% of the total R1b); R2 was not observed. Next is haplogroup J (19.2%), mostly observed as J2 (17.6%), and third is haplogroup E, as E1b (14.6%),mostly represented by its ‘Balkan’ sub-clade E1b-V13. The other main haplogroups show frequencies lower than 10%:haplogroup G (8.4%) and haplogroup I (4.8%).
In Italy, E-V13 shows coalescent age and variance values similar to the Northern Balkan ones. These data are in agreement with a first migration of E1b-V13 from Anatolia towards the Southern Balkans, where it underwent a demographic expansion, followed by a later spread towards Southern Italy (Battaglia et al., 2009). The relatively recent expansion times in the Balkans are consistent with the Balkan Bronze Age, a period that saw strong demographic changes as demonstrated by archaeological records (Childe, 2013; Kristiansen, 2000), and could therefore,represent a possible time frame for the population movement into the South of Italy.E1b-V13 is also observed in Volterra and the Northern Italian groups, mainly in the most accessible areas (Boattiniet al., 2013). This observation supports a Balkan influence in Northern Italian populations as well, most likely through an Adriatic route and along the Po Valley and, to a lesser extent in lateral, more isolated, mountainous valleys.


source:
https://www.researchgate.net/public...insights_from_a_male_Y-chromosome_perspective
 
this is also old but good paper :the 11.4% e-v13 in bergamo plain is interesting

Geographical-locations-of-the-10-analysed-Italian-population-samples.png


Haplogroup-frequencies-as-percentages-in-the-10-analysed-Italian-population-samples.png


from the pdf :
Y-chromosome haplogroups in Italian populations A total of 53 distinct lineages were identified; their frequency distributions in the examined Italian populations are reported in Supplementary Table S6 and illustrated according to their phylogenetic relationships in Figure 2.Haplogroup R is the most frequent (50.1%) with its two main branches, R1a (4.7%) and R1b (45.3%), the latter mainly accounted for by R1b-U152 (49.5% of the total R1b); R2 was not observed. Next is haplogroup J (19.2%), mostly observed as J2 (17.6%), and third is haplogroup E, as E1b (14.6%),mostly represented by its ‘Balkan’ sub-clade E1b-V13. The other main haplogroups show frequencies lower than 10%:haplogroup G (8.4%) and haplogroup I (4.8%).
In Italy, E-V13 shows coalescent age and variance values similar to the Northern Balkan ones. These data are in agreement with a first migration of E1b-V13 from Anatolia towards the Southern Balkans, where it underwent a demographic expansion, followed by a later spread towards Southern Italy (Battaglia et al., 2009). The relatively recent expansion times in the Balkans are consistent with the Balkan Bronze Age, a period that saw strong demographic changes as demonstrated by archaeological records (Childe, 2013; Kristiansen, 2000), and could therefore,represent a possible time frame for the population movement into the South of Italy.E1b-V13 is also observed in Volterra and the Northern Italian groups, mainly in the most accessible areas (Boattiniet al., 2013). This observation supports a Balkan influence in Northern Italian populations as well, most likely through an Adriatic route and along the Po Valley and, to a lesser extent in lateral, more isolated, mountainous valleys.


source:
https://www.researchgate.net/public...insights_from_a_male_Y-chromosome_perspective


it was always a weird study ..............they left out all the Adriatic side Italians except for the Salento peninsula ( heel of italy )
 
If the ytree is correct
We have 1 e-L618 here
Will be interesting to know the date and place
https://www.theytree.com/sample/c78fb4945044b9fe160eb2916bdffad2.html
Source of his bam file:
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB51862

Reference assembly
hg19 / GRCh37

Hunter Gatherer / Greece!?

Mesolithic Greece perhaps?

I guess this is the sample it was talked in some boards?

If this is true, this is a blow to E-L618 Levantine/Natufian/PPNB origin hypothesis.

Then it means E-L618 had nothing to do with them and had separate pathway and was instead picked and assimilated by Cardial Farmers.
 
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IIRC it is probably in a context of mixed Meso-Neolithic lineages in a later period. Like even if being assigned to "Mesolithic", this might just refer to the forager community, but to a time they mixed with incoming (Impresso-Cardial related) earliest farmers. Similar to the situation in Northern Europe (Comb Ceramic etc.) and later in the indian-European mixed context, like finding R-L51 in North American Indians in 1700.
But like always, exact dating and context matters.
 
IIRC it is probably in a context of mixed Meso-Neolithic lineages in a later period. Like even if being assigned to "Mesolithic", this might just refer to the forager community, but to a time they mixed with incoming (Impresso-Cardial related) earliest farmers. Similar to the situation in Northern Europe (Comb Ceramic etc.) and later in the indian-European mixed context, like finding R-L51 in North American Indians in 1700.
But like always, exact dating and context matters.

I thought about the initial main ID of GER as Germany, but Germany's country letter code is not GER but DE, and then other samples ID clearly indicated that the GER letter code refers to specific local site instead of country.


Reference assembly
hg19 / GRCh37

Hunter Gatherer / Greece!?

The hg and GR combination makes more sense to me that it is a hunter-gatherer from Greece. Let's see, i see no contradiction to this at this point. PPNB and Natufians were mainly E-M35 =>
E-Z830. No sample yet has beared E-L618, with the exception of one E-M78 near the Jordan/Egyptian border.

Perhaps the G2a and H2 Cardial Farmers were culturally heavily influenced by Natufians/PPNB cultures and there was no genetic influence. At this stage the influence via E-L618 made more sense, but we lack concrete proof at this moment.
 
Maybe the ger is some site
In croatia or hungary
We do have neolithic e-L618 cases from
Those places
If i will know more details about this
GER002 dude i will let you know
Only posted about him in the first place
For the e-v13's in our forum
Aftee all e-L618 is the father of e-v13;)

P.s
The h19 /GRCh37
Doesn't say greece
It means the type of the file if i am not wrong

here are all the other results of the other ancient posted in theytree :
except this e-L618 dude almost all are r1a, r1b , Q, C, I-M170 , J,G

AU50474WOL001I-M423
MT : U5a2-T16362C
2023-01-03 21:18:05
AU50473WCX004R-M269
MT : U5a2-C16294T
2023-01-03 21:18:04
AU50472WCX002R-M343
MT : U
2023-01-03 21:18:03
AU50471VSL004R-PF6287
MT : U5a1d
Ukraine2023-01-03 21:18:03
AU50470VSL003I-M438
MT : U8c
Ukraine2023-01-03 21:18:01
AU50469VSL002I-S21825
MT : U4a1
Ukraine2023-01-03 21:18:00
AU50468VO2001R-PF6287
MT : U5b2
2023-01-03 21:17:57
AU50467VO1005I-P220
MT : R
2023-01-03 21:17:53
AU50466VO1004I-CTS616
MT : U5a2-C16294T
2023-01-03 21:17:53
AU50465VO1003I-FGC29562
MT : U4a2a
2023-01-03 21:17:51
AU50464VO1001I-FGC29562
MT : U5a2
2023-01-03 21:17:49
AU50463UOO053Q-F746
MT : U4d
Russia2023-01-03 21:17:47
AU50462UOO052Q-F746
MT : U2e1
Russia2023-01-03 21:17:45
AU50461UOO051R-M459
MT : R1b
Russia2023-01-03 21:17:43
AU50460UOO047MT : U4Russia2023-01-03 21:17:42
AU50459UOO037MT : U5a1-T16192C!Russia2023-01-03 21:17:41
AU50458UOO035.056Q-F1096
MT : U2e1
Russia2023-01-03 21:17:41
AU50457UOO033Q-L804
MT : U5a2
Russia2023-01-03 21:17:39
AU50456UOO029MT : U2e1Russia2023-01-03 21:17:33
AU50455UOO025MT : U2e1eRussia2023-01-03 21:17:33
AU50454UOO023MT : U4a2Russia2023-01-03 21:17:32
AU50453UOO015MT : U5a1Russia2023-01-03 21:17:32
AU50452UOO012R-CTS4975.2
MT : U4d
Russia2023-01-03 21:17:32
AU50451UOO004R1
MT : R1b
Russia2023-01-03 21:17:30
AU50450TTK001Q-M2520
MT : U7
2023-01-03 21:17:29
AU50449STO001MT : U4'92023-01-03 21:17:27
AU50448RIP001I-M223
MT : U4'9
2023-01-03 21:17:27
AU50446RIE002MT : H22023-01-03 21:17:22
AU50445PRD001I-L1286
MT : U5b1d
2023-01-03 21:17:21
AU50443Paglicci133C-F3393
MT : U8c
Italy2023-01-03 21:17:19
AU50442PA12R
MT : U8c
2023-01-03 21:17:18
AU50441OST003I-M253
MT : J1c3
2023-01-03 21:17:17
AU50440OST002I-M170
MT : U5b1-T16189C!-T16192C!
2023-01-03 21:17:13
AU50439OST001MT : H22023-01-03 21:17:13
AU50438ORM001MT : U52023-01-03 21:17:12
AU50437OKL002I-M423
MT : U5b1-T16189C!-T16192C!
2023-01-03 21:17:12
AU50436OKL001MT : U5b1-T16189C!-T16192C!2023-01-03 21:17:07
AU50435MUR021Q-F746
MT : U2e2a
2023-01-03 21:17:06
AU50434MUR017Q-Y570
MT : U5a2b2
2023-01-03 21:17:05
AU50433MUR007Q-L472
MT : U2e2a
2023-01-03 21:17:04
AU50432MUR005Q-F746
MT : U5a2b2
2023-01-03 21:17:03
AU50431MUR002MT : U4a12023-01-03 21:17:01
AU50430MUR001Q-Y570
MT : U2e2a
2023-01-03 21:17:01
AU50429MPR001MT : U5b2a12023-01-03 21:16:59
AU50428MNN007MT : U5a22023-01-03 21:16:59
AU50427MNN006MT : U4d2023-01-03 21:16:59
AU50426MNN005MT : U4a12023-01-03 21:16:58
AU50425MNN004R-M198
MT : U2e1h
2023-01-03 21:16:58
AU50424MNN003 [low coverage]P-P337
MT : U4a1
2023-01-03 21:16:57
AU50423MNN001.002MT : U5a1-T16192C!2023-01-03 21:16:57
AU50422MN2003R-P297
MT : U5a2
2023-01-03 21:16:56
AU50421MN2002R-M693
MT : U4a1
2023-01-03 21:16:53
AU50420MN2001R-YP1272
MT : U4
2023-01-03 21:16:49
AU50419MAZ003C-V20
MT : H
2023-01-03 21:16:47
AU50418MAZ001R-PF6155
MT : H
2023-01-03 21:16:44
AU50417MAF001I-A17060
MT : U5b1b
2023-01-03 21:16:42
AU50416LRO001 [low coverage]CF
MT : H16c
2023-01-03 21:16:41
AU50415LPI002I-M253
MT : H
2023-01-03 21:16:40
AU50414LMA001C-M130
MT : U4'9
2023-01-03 21:16:37
AU50413KVH002MT : U5a1d22023-01-03 21:16:36
AU50412KVH001R1
MT : U5a1
2023-01-03 21:16:36
AU50411KRZ001MT : U5b22023-01-03 21:16:35
AU50410JAZ001MT : U5a2b22023-01-03 21:16:35
AU50409IGR001Q-M346
MT : U5a1i
2023-01-03 21:16:34
AU50408HohleFels49I-P37.2
MT : U8a
Germany2023-01-03 21:16:31
AU50407HohleFels10_79R-M269
MT : U8a
Germany2023-01-03 21:16:29
AU50406GoyetQ53-1R1
MT : U2
Belgium2023-01-03 21:16:28
AU50405GoyetQ376-3 [low coverage]CT-M168
MT : M74
Belgium2023-01-03 21:16:28
AU50404GoyetQ376-19R1
MT : U2
Belgium2023-01-03 21:16:27
AU50403GOY014MT : HV2023-01-03 21:16:27
AU50402GOY009MT : U52023-01-03 21:16:26
AU50401GOY007Q-L54
MT : H
2023-01-03 21:16:26
AU50400GOY001R-M269
MT : H
2023-01-03 21:16:24
AU50399GFW009MT : H22023-01-03 21:16:23
AU50398GFW008I-PH2569
MT : U5b1a
2023-01-03 21:16:23
AU50397GFW007MT : U5b1a2023-01-03 21:16:22
AU50396GFW005I-S21825
MT : U5b2a
2023-01-03 21:16:21
AU50395GFW004MT : U5b1b2023-01-03 21:16:14
AU50394GFW002.003I-M423
MT : U5b2b
2023-01-03 21:16:14
AU50393GFW001I-FGC29562
MT : U5b1a
2023-01-03 21:16:06
AU50392GER003C-M130
MT : M33b
2023-01-03 21:16:03
AU50391GER002E-L618
MT : HV-A73G!
2023-01-03 21:16:02
AU50390FRM001MT : U5a2-T16362C2023-01-03 21:16:01
AU50389FRL006C-V20
MT : M5
2023-01-03 21:16:00
AU50388DRI001I-M423
MT : U5b2b2
2023-01-03 21:15:56
AU50387DON006I-P37.2
MT : U5b2c1
Lithuania2023-01-03 21:15:50
AU50386DON005MT : U2023-01-03 21:15:50
AU50385DOG010G-Z6880
MT : T2c1c1
2023-01-03 21:15:49
AU50384DOG009R-M269
MT : R
2023-01-03 21:15:45
AU50383DOG007I-PF6915
MT : K1e1
2023-01-03 21:15:43
AU50381DOG004R1
MT : U5b1b
2023-01-03 21:15:39
AU50380DOG003R-M343
MT : U5
2023-01-03 21:15:38
AU50379DOG002I-M423
MT : U5b2a1a
2023-01-03 21:15:38
AU50378DOG001I-P220
MT : U5b1b
2023-01-03 21:15:36
AU50377DOB001I-M423
MT : U4b1a
2023-01-03 21:15:33
AU50376DLV006C-V86
MT : U5
Czech Republic2023-01-03 21:15:23
AU50375DLV005I-M438
MT : U5
Czech Republic2023-01-03 21:15:19
AU50374CRW001MT : U4b1b1b2023-01-03 21:15:15
AU50373CRN002I-L1297
MT : U5b
2023-01-03 21:15:15
AU50372CRN001I-L1297
MT : U5b
2023-01-03 21:15:08
AU50371CIO001I-M1702023-01-03 21:15:00
AU50370Chaudardes1I-P220
MT : U5b1b
France2023-01-03 21:14:59
AU50369BurkhardtshohleI-M170
MT : U8a
Germany2023-01-03 21:14:58
AU50368BRM001I-M423
MT : U5b3b
2023-01-03 21:14:57
AU50367BrillenhohleI-M438
MT : U8a
Germany2023-01-03 21:14:56
AU50366BocksteinMT : U5b1d1Germany2023-01-03 21:14:55
AU50365AMI002MT : U5a2a2023-01-03 21:14:54
AU50364AMI001MT : U5b2023-01-03 21:14:54
AU50363ACR001R2023-01-03 21:14:53
AU50362AC16R
MT : U5b1a
2023-01-03 21:14:53
AU50361AAT001MT : U5a2-T16362C2023-01-03 21:14:52
 
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There is no filetype hg19/GrCH37
It says reference assembly and at this point the meaning of it, this is my best guess.
 
Ok, i take it back then. My mistake. It's a very specific filetype.

Location and timeline remains disputed then. It was a bias on my own, because saw the Lalua-Fox Mesolithic leak for E-V13, then heard from somewhere it was from Greece. And, a coincidence lol.


it's ok
maybe we can know from where is from before the offical paper is published
by looking at his total autosomal picture ( or at least we know how much whg and how much farmer ancestery he had if any)
the problem is the coverage of him is pretty bad
will see
 
it's ok
maybe we can know from where is from before the offical paper is published
by looking at his total autosomal picture ( or at least we know how much whg and how much farmer ancestery he had if any)
the problem is the coverage of him is pretty bad
will see

What about other "GER" samples or is he a singleton?
 
The first and only opinion I heard from Anthrogenica suggests its an Paleolithic sample and either contaminated or has some false calls. So it might be a false one, we'll see.
 
The first and only opinion I heard from Anthrogenica suggests its an Paleolithic sample and either contaminated or has some false calls. So it might be a false one, we'll see.

Where you can plz send link thanks
 

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