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    Kurdish EV13 - yseq

    Hi, I am gradually getting my Yseq EV13 panel. So far positive for z17264 and awaiting PH1173. I am from Southern ‘Iraqi’ Kurdistan. Not sure if the Z17264 indicates Greek - post Alexander or could be Iranic (Thracian origin and mediated by the Cimmerians who invaded Kurdistan in 7thC BC). The more you look into the history the more the possible routes!

    Wondering what others thought, will update with terminal subclade when available.

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    Hi Cyaxeres,
    Based on the Armenian from the YFull my assumption would be that Z17264 entered Middle East before the Classical Greek period, meaning before 500 BC: https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY4289*/

    But this is of course not definitive. Maybe we can wait for your subclade result and discuus more when it is available.

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    Thanks, yes I’ll post when the terminal subclade is confirmed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyaxeres View Post
    Hi, I am gradually getting my Yseq EV13 panel. So far positive for z17264 and awaiting PH1173. I am from Southern ‘Iraqi’ Kurdistan. Not sure if the Z17264 indicates Greek - post Alexander or could be Iranic (Thracian origin and mediated by the Cimmerians who invaded Kurdistan in 7thC BC). The more you look into the history the more the possible routes!

    Wondering what others thought, will update with terminal subclade when available.
    Hello Cyaxeres,
    E-V13 is actually a mysterious haplogroup, the only mostly "European" branch of "E" haplogroup,(but also found among Turks, Tatars, Persians, Kurds, Arabs, Armenians, North Africans,Ossetians,Chuvachs),from Spain to Russia (Siberia), from Italy to Norway.
    I am Half Algerian (from my Dad),I am E-V13 carrier : E-V13-->E-Z1057-->E-CTS1273-->E-BY3880-->E-Z5017-->E-Z5016-->E-Y138701* : https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y138701/
    My subclade looks like mostly Iberian/(North African?), my closest matches are Portuguese, Spaniards and Algerian on Yfull and FTDNA. (Maybe a Iberian/Vandal/Andalusian roots?)
    PS: We share a common ancestor at E-Z5016 level 4400 years ago, you are Kurd, I am Algerian...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyaxeres View Post
    Hi, I am gradually getting my Yseq EV13 panel. So far positive for z17264 and awaiting PH1173. I am from Southern ‘Iraqi’ Kurdistan. Not sure if the Z17264 indicates Greek - post Alexander or could be Iranic (Thracian origin and mediated by the Cimmerians who invaded Kurdistan in 7thC BC). The more you look into the history the more the possible routes!

    Wondering what others thought, will update with terminal subclade when available.
    It was present in Iranians, especially through backflow from the Thraco-Cimmerian and Thraco-Scythian sphere, but being also spread by Greeks and Thracians. There are some subclades downstream of E-Z17264 which are more Northern Central European, Greek, Armenian etc. So it will depend on your subclade and matches, which route your ancestors most likely took. Because the clade as a whole being fairly old, dating back to the Early Iron Age, the initial dispersion of E-V13 from the Carpatho-Pannonian sphere with Channelled Ware and Hallstatt. Probably you will have to wait for more ancient and modern samples as to where exactly your branch can be put, because so far most branches are quite old and the subclades present still date back to the Early Iron Age, unless you fall into one of these.

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    Thanks all, I now have my final Yseq position. I am Ph1173 positive and negative for all downstream SNPs:
    PH1173 C+
    BY4418 G-
    S17790 A-
    BY203425 A-
    BY4283 C-

    Would it be worth me sending my data to Yfull or will that not add any info beyond what Yseq can give? Not sure how it could as I don’t think they do any further tests?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyaxeres View Post
    Thanks all, I now have my final Yseq position. I am Ph1173 positive and negative for all downstream SNPs:
    PH1173 C+
    BY4418 G-
    S17790 A-
    BY203425 A-
    BY4283 C-
    Would it be worth me sending my data to Yfull or will that not add any info beyond what Yseq can give? Not sure how it could as I don’t think they do any further tests?
    Thanks
    They can just use what you have already tested. Its better to do BigY or WGS at the start, that way new relatives might be found and subclades formed. Just out of interest, to see how much you saved that way, how much did the procedure cost up to this point? Just to have a comparison vs. WGS and BigY, which is of course always preferable, because it gives you future positions and relatives, not just a spot in the established tree.

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    Thanks, good to know, didn’t know if worthwhile to do YFull also.
    It’s been $94 including shipping and taxes so far with Yseq so pretty reasonable.
    To be honest I thought I would be some kind of early Middle Eastern EV13 so surprised with the results so far.
    Cant wait for the Haplogroup to be a bit more understandable. It seems to jump around much more than other groups…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyaxeres View Post
    Thanks, good to know, didn’t know if worthwhile to do YFull also.
    It’s been $94 including shipping and taxes so far with Yseq so pretty reasonable.
    To be honest I thought I would be some kind of early Middle Eastern EV13 so surprised with the results so far.
    Cant wait for the Haplogroup to be a bit more understandable. It seems to jump around much more than other groups…
    The diversity and spread is not that extraordinary. You have to consider it dates to the earliest expansion phase in the transitional period (1.300-900 BC), at that time E-V13 carriers were essentially radiating out in all directions, even down to the Hallstatt period. Its just with younger subclades that they have a clear regional-ethnic correlation.

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