Hungary_BA and Catacomb to model Modern Italians

Jovialis

Jovialis

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Angela said:
The "red" in Provence is very interesting, given the presence of Massalia, the Greek colony there. Of course, "Italians" settled in Provence since the days of the Romans, when it was considered "Our" Province.

You can still see the division of Italy into either north or south of the La Spezia/Rimini or Massa/Senigallia line.


cisalpine_galu_and_laspezia-rimini_line.png


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Check out this modeling, using these samples. They are all a good fit, with the exception of Sardinia.

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@Jovialis, I'm not sure if I'm using the right coordinates, I can't find the original post anymore.... are these perhaps? those extrapolated from the set of Vahaduo's Dodecad k12b?

Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014,1.09,0,0.38,0,36.78,41.52,0,0,3.74,0,16.14,0.36
Catacomb:MJ-09:Jarve_2019,25.71,4.68,0,0.61,7.93,55.69,0,0,0,0,2.4,2.97
Catacomb:MK3003:Wang_2019,29.97,2.83,0,0.37,3.73,54.49,1.01,0,0,0,5.99,1.62
Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019,26.39,2.57,0,0,2.96,54.74,2.09,0,0,0,10.33,0.92
Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019,29.4,1.88,0,0,2.25,59.81,0.86,0,0,0,5.54,0.24
Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019,28.23,2.3,0,0,0.76,59.25,1.7,0,0,0,6.52,1.23
Minoan_Lasithi:I0070:Lazaridis_2017,0,0,0.62,0.55,37.53,0,0,0,15.52,0,45.7,0.09
Minoan_Lasithi:I0071:Lazaridis_2017,1.16,0,2.96,0,37.9,0.23,0,0,13.01,0,44.59,0.15
Minoan_Lasithi:I0073:Lazaridis_2017,0,0.05,2.92,0.4,36.38,0,0,0,13.48,0,46.7,0.07
Minoan_Lasithi:I0074:Lazaridis_2017,0.58,0,4.33,0,39.44,0,0,0,12.45,0,43.19,0
Minoan_Lasithi:I9005:Lazaridis_2017,1.52,0,5.68,0,37.33,0,0,0,16.14,0,39.25,0.08
Minoan_Odigitria:I9127:Lazaridis_2017,0,0,0,0,40.33,0,0,1.41,8.2,0,50.06,0
Minoan_Odigitria:I9128:Lazaridis_2017,6.38,2.36,3.13,0,48.96,0,0,0,14.8,1.02,23.34,0
Minoan_Odigitria:I9129:Lazaridis_2017,0,0,4.55,0,44.82,0,0,0,13.21,0,37.43,0
Minoan_Odigitria:I9130:Lazaridis_2017,1.38,0,0.19,0,41.77,0,0,0.28,17.61,0,38.77,0
Minoan_Odigitria:I9131:Lazaridis_2017,5.16,0,0,0,36.32,0,0,0,19.19,0,39.01,0.33
Minoan_Petras_EBA:pta08:Clemente_2021,0,0,3.85,0.33,34.73,0.38,0.14,0.05,14.68,0.48,43.65,1.72
C_Italian_ChL:R4:Antonio_2019,0,0,2.77,0.12,60.45,3.99,0,0,10.54,0.02,21.81,0.32
C_Italian_ChL:R5:Antonio_2019,0,0,2.76,0,63.45,3.27,0,0,10.15,0,20.2,0.17
C_Italian_ChL:R1014:Antonio_2019,0,0,2.67,0,64.87,0.54,0,0,0,0,31.92,0
C_Italian_N:R2:Antonio_2019,0,0,3.61,0,54.5,0,0,0.17,12.44,0,29.12,0.16
C_Italian_N:R3:Antonio_2019,0,0,4.22,0,52.75,0,0,0,11.28,0.2,31.18,0.38
C_Italian_N:R6:Antonio_2019,0,0,5.17,0,66.71,11.16,0,0.32,7.34,0.2,9.11,0
C_Italian_N:R8:Antonio_2019,0,0,2.42,0,53.24,0,0,0,14.2,0.44,29.46,0.24
C_Italian_N:R9:Antonio_2019,0,0,2.58,0,50.8,0,0,0,13.79,0,32.49,0.34
C_Italian_N:R10:Antonio_2019,0,0,3.35,0,53.37,0,0,0,13.76,0,29.52,0
C_Italian_N:R16:Antonio_2019,0,0,3.41,0,57.73,1.14,0,0,9.12,0.21,28.3,0.09
C_Italian_N:R17:Antonio_2019,0,0,4.12,0,50.89,3.18,0,0,13.16,0,28.66,0
C_Italian_N:R18:Antonio_2019,0,0,3.72,0,51.41,0,0,0.09,10.24,0,34.54,0
C_Italian_N:R19:Antonio_2019,0,0,4.33,0,55.74,0.85,0,0,9.83,0,29.26,0

If it is so

Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 0.5394% / 0.53942322 | ADC: 0.25x RC

45.5Hungary_1180BC
29.9Minoan_Lasithi
14.3Minoan_Odigitria
10.3Catacomb

Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 0.1990% / 0.19896236

41.4Hungary_1180BC
33.2Minoan_Lasithi
11.9Catacomb
10.3Minoan_Odigitria
3.2C_Italian_N


Distance to:Dodecadk12bStuvanè
4.0954184159.00% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 41.00% Minoan_Odigitria:I9131:Lazaridis_2017
4.9018409058.80% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 41.20% Minoan_Lasithi:I9005:Lazaridis_2017
5.1906816160.20% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 39.80% Minoan_Petras_EBA:pta08:Clemente_2021
5.8003694360.60% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 39.40% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071:Lazaridis_2017
5.9648092461.80% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 38.20% Minoan_Lasithi:I0073:Lazaridis_2017
6.0554611561.80% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 38.20% Minoan_Lasithi:I0070:Lazaridis_2017
6.2286457160.60% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 39.40% Minoan_Lasithi:I0074:Lazaridis_2017
6.5129117960.00% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 40.00% Minoan_Odigitria:I9130:Lazaridis_2017
6.6478519335.00% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 65.00% C_Italian_N:R17:Antonio_2019
6.8204784535.00% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 65.00% C_Italian_N:R9:Antonio_2019
6.8305381737.40% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 62.60% C_Italian_N:R9:Antonio_2019
6.9667504732.40% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 67.60% C_Italian_N:R17:Antonio_2019
6.9806086635.40% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 64.60% C_Italian_N:R18:Antonio_2019
7.0223183936.20% Catacomb:MJ-09:Jarve_2019 + 63.80% Minoan_Odigitria:I9129:Lazaridis_2017
7.0952899234.80% Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019 + 65.20% C_Italian_N:R9:Antonio_2019
7.1853601737.80% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 62.20% C_Italian_N:R18:Antonio_2019
7.2320854335.20% Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019 + 64.80% C_Italian_N:R18:Antonio_2019
7.3379591138.00% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 62.00% C_Italian_N:R3:Antonio_2019
7.3791181532.40% Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019 + 67.60% C_Italian_N:R17:Antonio_2019
7.4093939438.20% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 61.80% C_Italian_N:R10:Antonio_2019
7.4287453538.20% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 61.80% C_Italian_N:R8:Antonio_2019
7.4630369935.40% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 64.60% C_Italian_N:R3:Antonio_2019
7.6106952733.80% Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019 + 66.20% Minoan_Odigitria:I9129:Lazaridis_2017
7.7288457738.60% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 61.40% C_Italian_N:R2:Antonio_2019
7.7382254035.60% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 64.40% C_Italian_N:R10:Antonio_2019
 
Interesting. The steppe would come in not only as Catacomb, but as part of BR2.

Not as close as Stuvane. Something is missing.


Target: Angela
Distance: 0.7598% / 0.75982128 | ADC: 0.25x RC

32.9C_Italian_N
24.0Hungary_1180BC
16.5Catacomb
15.7C_Italian_ChL
10.9Minoan_Lasithi

Target: Angela
Distance: 0.7403% / 0.74029837

28.5Minoan_Lasithi
22.5Hungary_1180BC
19.6C_Italian_ChL
15.9Catacomb
12.1C_Italian_N
1.4Minoan_Odigitria


Distance to:Angela
5.3366511248.20% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 51.80% Minoan_Odigitria:I9129:Lazaridis_2017
5.9556206248.20% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 51.80% C_Italian_N:R18:Antonio_2019
6.2322202125.00% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 75.00% C_Italian_N:R19:Antonio_2019
6.3302126051.40% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 48.60% Minoan_Lasithi:I0074:Lazaridis_2017
6.3444356824.40% Catacomb:MJ-09:Jarve_2019 + 75.60% C_Italian_N:R18:Antonio_2019
6.4868740625.60% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 74.40% C_Italian_N:R16:Antonio_2019
6.6712985122.40% Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019 + 77.60% C_Italian_N:R18:Antonio_2019
6.7640778622.80% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 77.20% C_Italian_N:R19:Antonio_2019
6.7758880822.40% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 77.60% C_Italian_N:R18:Antonio_2019
6.7952534348.40% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 51.60% C_Italian_N:R9:Antonio_2019
6.8098201024.40% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 75.60% C_Italian_N:R3:Antonio_2019
6.8183112924.40% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 75.60% C_Italian_N:R18:Antonio_2019
6.9504704050.60% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 49.40% Minoan_Odigitria:I9130:Lazaridis_2017
6.9775952450.40% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 49.60% Minoan_Lasithi:I9005:Lazaridis_2017
6.9987252552.40% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 47.60% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071:Lazaridis_2017
7.0252821922.40% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 77.60% C_Italian_N:R3:Antonio_2019
7.0324128648.20% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 51.80% C_Italian_N:R3:Antonio_2019
7.0688694322.60% Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019 + 77.40% C_Italian_N:R19:Antonio_2019
7.1340941023.40% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 76.60% C_Italian_N:R16:Antonio_2019
7.1413907922.20% Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019 + 77.80% C_Italian_N:R3:Antonio_2019
7.2332729925.20% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 74.80% C_Italian_N:R2:Antonio_2019
7.3198028023.40% Catacomb:MK3003:Wang_2019 + 76.60% C_Italian_N:R18:Antonio_2019
7.3361442824.20% Catacomb:MJ-09:Jarve_2019 + 75.80% C_Italian_N:R3:Antonio_2019
7.3721114721.00% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 79.00% C_Italian_N:R17:Antonio_2019
7.5264890923.20% Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019 + 76.80% C_Italian_N:R16:Antonio_2019


As always, I get high Italian Neolithic numbers. Maybe the Appennines and the Apuan Alps harbored a lot of Neolithic refugees. :)
Target: Angela
Distance: 0.7403% / 0.74029837

28.5Minoan_Lasithi
22.5Hungary_1180BC
19.6C_Italian_ChL
15.9Catacomb
12.1C_Italian_N
1.4Minoan_Odigitria
 
Here are the values in code form:

Code: 
Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014,1.09,0,0.38,0,36.78,41.52,0,0,3.74,0,16.14,0.36
Catacomb:MJ-09:Jarve_2019,25.71,4.68,0,0.61,7.93,55.69,0,0,0,0,2.4,2.97
Catacomb:MK3003:Wang_2019,29.97,2.83,0,0.37,3.73,54.49,1.01,0,0,0,5.99,1.62
Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019,26.39,2.57,0,0,2.96,54.74,2.09,0,0,0,10.33,0.92
Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019,29.4,1.88,0,0,2.25,59.81,0.86,0,0,0,5.54,0.24
Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019,28.23,2.3,0,0,0.76,59.25,1.7,0,0,0,6.52,1.23
Minoan_Lasithi:I0070:Lazaridis_2017,0,0,0.62,0.55,37.53,0,0,0,15.52,0,45.7,0.09
Minoan_Lasithi:I0071:Lazaridis_2017,1.16,0,2.96,0,37.9,0.23,0,0,13.01,0,44.59,0.15
Minoan_Lasithi:I0073:Lazaridis_2017,0,0.05,2.92,0.4,36.38,0,0,0,13.48,0,46.7,0.07
Minoan_Lasithi:I0074:Lazaridis_2017,0.58,0,4.33,0,39.44,0,0,0,12.45,0,43.19,0
Minoan_Lasithi:I9005:Lazaridis_2017,1.52,0,5.68,0,37.33,0,0,0,16.14,0,39.25,0.08
Minoan_Odigitria:I9127:Lazaridis_2017,0,0,0,0,40.33,0,0,1.41,8.2,0,50.06,0
Minoan_Odigitria:I9128:Lazaridis_2017,6.38,2.36,3.13,0,48.96,0,0,0,14.8,1.02,23.34,0
Minoan_Odigitria:I9129:Lazaridis_2017,0,0,4.55,0,44.82,0,0,0,13.21,0,37.43,0
Minoan_Odigitria:I9130:Lazaridis_2017,1.38,0,0.19,0,41.77,0,0,0.28,17.61,0,38.77,0
Minoan_Odigitria:I9131:Lazaridis_2017,5.16,0,0,0,36.32,0,0,0,19.19,0,39.01,0.33
Minoan_Petras_EBA:Pta08:Clemente_2021,0,0,3.85,0.33,34.73,0.38,0.14,0.05,14.68,0.48,43.65,1.72
C_Italian_ChL:R4:Antonio_2019,0,0,2.77,0.12,60.45,3.99,0,0,10.54,0.02,21.81,0.32
C_Italian_ChL:R5:Antonio_2019,0,0,2.76,0,63.45,3.27,0,0,10.15,0,20.2,0.17
C_Italian_ChL:R1014:Antonio_2019,0,0,2.67,0,64.87,0.54,0,0,0,0,31.92,0
C_Italian_N:R2:Antonio_2019,0,0,3.61,0,54.5,0,0,0.17,12.44,0,29.12,0.16
C_Italian_N:R3:Antonio_2019,0,0,4.22,0,52.75,0,0,0,11.28,0.2,31.18,0.38
C_Italian_N:R6:Antonio_2019,0,0,5.17,0,66.71,11.16,0,0.32,7.34,0.2,9.11,0
C_Italian_N:R8:Antonio_2019,0,0,2.42,0,53.24,0,0,0,14.2,0.44,29.46,0.24
C_Italian_N:R9:Antonio_2019,0,0,2.58,0,50.8,0,0,0,13.79,0,32.49,0.34
C_Italian_N:R10:Antonio_2019,0,0,3.35,0,53.37,0,0,0,13.76,0,29.52,0
C_Italian_N:R16:Antonio_2019,0,0,3.41,0,57.73,1.14,0,0,9.12,0.21,28.3,0.09
C_Italian_N:R17:Antonio_2019,0,0,4.12,0,50.89,3.18,0,0,13.16,0,28.66,0
C_Italian_N:R18:Antonio_2019,0,0,3.72,0,51.41,0,0,0.09,10.24,0,34.54,0
C_Italian_N:R19:Antonio_2019,0,0,4.33,0,55.74,0.85,0,0,9.83,0,29.26,0
 
Your coordinates change it a bit; even more Italian Neolithic if the mix is with Catacomb. If the mix is with Minoan, the BR2 shoots up.

Target: Angela
Distance: 0.7598% / 0.75982128 | ADC: 0.25x RC

32.9C_Italian_N
24.0Hungary_1180BC
16.5Catacomb
15.7C_Italian_ChL
10.9Minoan_Lasithi

Distance to:Angela
5.2229923529.20% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 70.80% C_Italian_N:R19:Antonio_2019
5.3217846628.60% Catacomb:MJ-09:Jarve_2019 + 71.40% C_Italian_N:R18:Antonio_2019
5.3341542448.60% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 51.40% Minoan_Odigitria:I9129:Lazaridis_2017
5.4667501029.80% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 70.20% C_Italian_N:R16:Antonio_2019
5.5007323826.60% Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019 + 73.40% C_Italian_N:R18:Antonio_2019
5.5870684327.00% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 73.00% C_Italian_N:R19:Antonio_2019
5.6148998626.60% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 73.40% C_Italian_N:R18:Antonio_2019
5.8647871128.60% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 71.40% C_Italian_N:R3:Antonio_2019
5.8895655428.60% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 71.40% C_Italian_N:R18:Antonio_2019
5.8937788027.00% Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019 + 73.00% C_Italian_N:R19:Antonio_2019
5.9338416326.60% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 73.40% C_Italian_N:R3:Antonio_2019
5.9521249648.60% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 51.40% C_Italian_N:R18:Antonio_2019
5.9883201626.60% Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019 + 73.40% C_Italian_N:R3:Antonio_2019
6.0012946727.80% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 72.20% C_Italian_N:R16:Antonio_2019
6.3274659227.80% Catacomb:MK3003:Wang_2019 + 72.20% C_Italian_N:R18:Antonio_2019
6.3286365751.20% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 48.80% Minoan_Lasithi:I0074:Lazaridis_2017
6.3875274729.20% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 70.80% C_Italian_N:R2:Antonio_2019
6.4210012627.60% Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019 + 72.40% C_Italian_N:R16:Antonio_2019
6.4746170728.40% Catacomb:MJ-09:Jarve_2019 + 71.60% C_Italian_N:R3:Antonio_2019
6.4833627525.40% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 74.60% C_Italian_N:R17:Antonio_2019
6.6150738628.20% Catacomb:MK3003:Wang_2019 + 71.80% C_Italian_N:R19:Antonio_2019
6.7123302427.20% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 72.80% C_Italian_N:R2:Antonio_2019
6.7377050523.60% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 76.40% C_Italian_N:R17:Antonio_2019
6.7935392727.80% Catacomb:MK3003:Wang_2019 + 72.20% C_Italian_N:R3:Antonio_2019
6.7941005648.60% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 51.40% C_Italian_N:R9:Antonio_2019


Target: Angela
Distance: 0.7598% / 0.75982128 | ADC: 0.25x RC

32.9C_Italian_N
24.0Hungary_1180BC
16.5Catacomb
15.7C_Italian_ChL
10.9Minoan_Lasithi
 
Results based on Jovialis' values (post #7) + Iberomaurasian samples

Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 0.5394% / 0.53942322 | ADC: 0.25x RC

45.5Hungary_1180BC
29.9Minoan_Lasithi
14.3Minoan_Odigitria
10.3Catacomb

Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 0.2106% / 0.21064314

40.6Hungary_1180BC
32.0Minoan_Lasithi
12.5Catacomb
12.4Minoan_Odigitria
2.4C_Italian_N
0.1Iberomaurusian

Distance to:Dodecadk12bStuvanè
4.0954184159.00% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 41.00% Minoan_Odigitria:I9131:Lazaridis_2017
4.9018409058.80% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 41.20% Minoan_Lasithi:I9005:Lazaridis_2017
5.1906816160.20% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 39.80% Minoan_Petras_EBA:pta08:Clemente_2021
5.8003694360.60% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 39.40% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071:Lazaridis_2017
5.9648092461.80% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 38.20% Minoan_Lasithi:I0073:Lazaridis_2017
6.0554611561.80% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 38.20% Minoan_Lasithi:I0070:Lazaridis_2017
6.2286457160.60% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 39.40% Minoan_Lasithi:I0074:Lazaridis_2017
6.5129117960.00% Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014 + 40.00% Minoan_Odigitria:I9130:Lazaridis_2017
6.6478519335.00% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 65.00% C_Italian_N:R17:Antonio_2019
6.8204784535.00% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 65.00% C_Italian_N:R9:Antonio_2019
6.8305381737.40% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 62.60% C_Italian_N:R9:Antonio_2019
6.9667504732.40% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 67.60% C_Italian_N:R17:Antonio_2019
6.9806086635.40% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 64.60% C_Italian_N:R18:Antonio_2019
7.0223183936.20% Catacomb:MJ-09:Jarve_2019 + 63.80% Minoan_Odigitria:I9129:Lazaridis_2017
7.0952899234.80% Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019 + 65.20% C_Italian_N:R9:Antonio_2019
7.1853601737.80% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 62.20% C_Italian_N:R18:Antonio_2019
7.2320854335.20% Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019 + 64.80% C_Italian_N:R18:Antonio_2019
7.3379591138.00% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 62.00% C_Italian_N:R3:Antonio_2019
7.3791181532.40% Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019 + 67.60% C_Italian_N:R17:Antonio_2019
7.4093939438.20% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 61.80% C_Italian_N:R10:Antonio_2019
7.4287453538.20% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 61.80% C_Italian_N:R8:Antonio_2019
7.4630369935.40% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 64.60% C_Italian_N:R3:Antonio_2019
7.6106952733.80% Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019 + 66.20% Minoan_Odigitria:I9129:Lazaridis_2017
7.7288457738.60% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 61.40% C_Italian_N:R2:Antonio_2019
7.7382254035.60% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 64.40% C_Italian_N:R10:Antonio_2019
 
What ancient or modern populations correlate with this "Catacomb" element?
 
Distance to:Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019
2.43314611Yamnaya:I0231_SVP3:Haak_2015
2.76633331Poltavka:I0440:Mathieson_2015
2.78795624Yamnaya_Samara:I0438:Mathieson_2015
3.20950152Poltavka:I0126:Mathieson_2015
3.64378924Yamnaya:I2105:Mathieson_2018
3.88570457North_Caucasus:RK1003:Wang_2019
4.06412352Yamnaya_Samara:I0443:Mathieson_2015
5.15740245Yamnaya:RISE552:Allentoft_2015
5.18434181Yamnaya_Samara:I0231:Mathieson_2015
5.76842266Yamnaya:I0438_SVP50:Haak_2015
5.86472506Yamnaya_Caucasus:RK1001:Wang_2019
6.05059501Yamnaya:I0443_SVP57:Haak_2015
6.24037659Yamnaya:I0370_SVP10:Haak_2015
6.25618894North_Caucasus:LYG001:Wang_2019
6.32725059Yamnaya:I0444_SVP58:Haak_2015
6.60452118North_Caucasus:GW1001:Wang_2019
6.62368478Poltavka:I0371:Mathieson_2015
6.81941346Yamnaya_Samara:I0429:Mathieson_2015
6.91543925Yamnaya:I0357_SVP5:Haak_2015
7.23634576Yamnaya_Caucasus:RK1007:Wang_2019
7.31780022Yamnaya_Caucasus:ZO2002:Wang_2019
7.38966170Eneolithic_steppe:pG2004:Wang_2019
7.43772143Yamnaya_Samara:I0370:Mathieson_2015
7.83073432Poltavka:I0374:Mathieson_2015
7.85021019Yamnaya:I3141:Mathieson_2018

Distance to:Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019
1.98451505Poltavka:I0440:Mathieson_2015
2.24410338Yamnaya_Samara:I0443:Mathieson_2015
2.56064445Yamnaya:I0231_SVP3:Haak_2015
3.26225382Yamnaya:RISE552:Allentoft_2015
3.29150422Poltavka:I0126:Mathieson_2015
4.06738245Yamnaya_Samara:I0438:Mathieson_2015
4.34226899Yamnaya_Samara:I0231:Mathieson_2015
4.47390210Yamnaya:I0443_SVP57:Haak_2015
4.76680186Yamnaya:I0444_SVP58:Haak_2015
5.24172681Yamnaya:I2105:Mathieson_2018
5.25447428Yamnaya_Samara:I0429:Mathieson_2015
5.39609118North_Caucasus:RK1003:Wang_2019
5.56135775Yamnaya_Caucasus:RK1001:Wang_2019
5.67724405Poltavka:I0371:Mathieson_2015
5.91144652Yamnaya_Samara:I0370:Mathieson_2015
6.23281638Yamnaya:I0357_SVP5:Haak_2015
6.26964911Yamnaya_Samara:I0444:Mathieson_2015
6.84594771North_Caucasus:LYG001:Wang_2019
7.22468684Poltavka:I0374:Mathieson_2015
7.35104074Yamnaya:I0438_SVP50:Haak_2015
7.41478253Yamnaya_Samara:I0441:Mathieson_2015
7.47916439Yamnaya_Samara:I0357:Mathieson_2015
7.55162896Yamnaya:I3141:Mathieson_2018
7.60138145Eneolithic_steppe:pG2004:Wang_2019
7.80165367Yamnaya:I0370_SVP10:Haak_2015

Distance to:Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019
3.52283976North_Caucasus:GW1001:Wang_2019
3.67880415North_Caucasus:LYG001:Wang_2019
3.76824893Yamnaya_Caucasus:ZO2002:Wang_2019
3.92807841North_Caucasus:BU2001:Wang_2019
4.93843092Yamnaya:I2105:Mathieson_2018
5.43238438North_Caucasus:RK1003:Wang_2019
5.63929074Yamnaya_Caucasus:RK1007:Wang_2019
5.66552734North_Caucasus:MK5009:Wang_2019
5.80027586Yamnaya:MJ-06:Jarve_2019
6.33066347Poltavka:I0440:Mathieson_2015
6.59273085Yamnaya_Caucasus:RK1001:Wang_2019
6.61106648Poltavka:I0126:Mathieson_2015
7.01298795Yamnaya:I0357_SVP5:Haak_2015
7.10399887Yamnaya:I0370_SVP10:Haak_2015
7.15137749Yamnaya_Samara:I0438:Mathieson_2015
7.57010568Yamnaya_Samara:I0439:Mathieson_2015
7.77974293Yamnaya_Samara:I0443:Mathieson_2015
7.85550762Yamnaya:I0438_SVP50:Haak_2015
8.02986301Yamnaya_Samara:I0231:Mathieson_2015
8.13045509Yamnaya:I0231_SVP3:Haak_2015
8.26259644North_Caucasus:pG2002:Wang_2019
8.35947965Poltavka:I0374:Mathieson_2015
8.57381479Yamnaya_Samara:I0357:Mathieson_2015
9.28367384Eneolithic_steppe:pG2004:Wang_2019
9.30947904Yamnaya:I0443_SVP57:Haak_2015

Distance to:Catacomb:MK3003:Wang_2019
1.94051540Yamnaya_Caucasus:RK1001:Wang_2019
3.23065009Yamnaya:I0357_SVP5:Haak_2015
4.09762126North_Caucasus:LYG001:Wang_2019
4.25727612Yamnaya_Samara:I0231:Mathieson_2015
4.53188702Yamnaya_Samara:I0357:Mathieson_2015
4.56803021Yamnaya_Samara:I0443:Mathieson_2015
4.82039417Poltavka:I0440:Mathieson_2015
5.15899215Poltavka:I0374:Mathieson_2015
5.19537294Poltavka:I0126:Mathieson_2015
5.34968223Yamnaya_Samara:I0370:Mathieson_2015
5.69902623Eneolithic_steppe:pG2004:Wang_2019
5.75022608North_Caucasus:GW1001:Wang_2019
6.07875810North_Caucasus:MK5009:Wang_2019
6.09804067Yamnaya:MJ-06:Jarve_2019
6.41215252Yamnaya:I0443_SVP57:Haak_2015
6.43189708North_Caucasus:RK1003:Wang_2019
6.43835383Yamnaya:I0231_SVP3:Haak_2015
6.66233443Yamnaya_Caucasus:RK1007:Wang_2019
6.72384563Yamnaya:I0444_SVP58:Haak_2015
6.88348749Yamnaya:I2105:Mathieson_2018
7.39013532Potapovka:I0246:Mathieson_2015
7.40622036North_Caucasus:BU2001:Wang_2019
7.65759753Yamnaya:RISE552:Allentoft_2015
7.70829423Yamnaya_Samara:I0444:Mathieson_2015
8.20054266Yamnaya_Samara:I0438:Mathieson_2015

Distance to:Catacomb:MJ-09:Jarve_2019
3.92346785Poltavka:I0374:Mathieson_2015
4.29440333Potapovka:I0246:Mathieson_2015
5.85995734Yamnaya:I0443_SVP57:Haak_2015
6.10453929Yamnaya_Caucasus:RK1001:Wang_2019
6.21159400poz81:Malmström_2019
6.33590562Yamnaya:MJ-06:Jarve_2019
6.64730773Yamnaya_Samara:I0370:Mathieson_2015
6.70835300Yamnaya_Samara:I0231:Mathieson_2015
6.70945601Yamnaya_Samara:I0444:Mathieson_2015
7.10744680Yamnaya_Samara:I0357:Mathieson_2015
7.43596665Yamnaya_Samara:I0439:Mathieson_2015
7.54163775Poltavka:I0126:Mathieson_2015
7.65740818Yamnaya_Samara:I0443:Mathieson_2015
7.97463479MA969:Saag_2017
8.08060641Eastern_Scythian:MJ-54:Jarve_2019
8.36226046Poltavka:I0371:Mathieson_2015
8.44344716Poltavka:I0440:Mathieson_2015
8.79266171Yamnaya:I0444_SVP58:Haak_2015
9.24490130Yamnaya:I2105:Mathieson_2018
9.36197629Afanasievo:RISE507-8:Allentoft_2015
9.36862850Yamnaya_Samara:I0429:Mathieson_2015
9.45389867Yamnaya:I0231_SVP3:Haak_2015
9.55313038Yamnaya:I0357_SVP5:Haak_2015
9.61052548Yamnaya:I0439_SVP52:Haak_2015
9.81143720Belozerska_(pre-Cimmerian/Cimmerian):MJ-31:Jarve_2019

 
Perhaps the slight difference is in the amount of CHG?
 
Jovialis said:
They're pretty much like Yamnaya, in terms of genetics.
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Would you say that Hungary_1180 BC:BR2 is Northern French-like?

Does this sample have more or less Steppe than Catacomb?
 
Vallicanus said:
Would you say that Hungary_1180 BC:BR2 is Northern French-like?

Does this sample have more or less Steppe than Catacomb?
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Here BR2 vs other aDNA from the Dodecad K12b Ancient spreadsheet:

Distance to:Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014
2.77504955Hungary_BA:I1504:Mathieson_2015
2.87195056MOK16A:Zegarac_2021
4.58927009MOK19A:Zegarac_2021
4.66616545La_Tène_B_IA:COL153i:Brunel_2020
4.69178005Vatya:RISE483:Allentoft_2015
4.92364702MOK9B:Zegarac_2021
5.24145972Szolad6:Amorim_2018
5.49384201Szolad8:Amorim_2018
5.91536981MOK25A:Zegarac_2021
5.94743642C7-Cancelleria_MA:R1219:Antonio_2019
6.21823126MOK24A:Zegarac_2021
6.25131986Singen_(D):MX265:Furtwängler_2020
6.31103795MOK28A:Zegarac_2021
6.36009434Beaker_Central_Europe:E09568:Olalde_2018
6.55376991Bulgaria_LChL:I2181:Mathieson_2018
6.59680984C7-Cancelleria_MA:R1288:Antonio_2019
6.71263734La_Tène_B_IA:COL153A:Brunel_2020
7.11461875Beaker_Central_Europe:I4886:Olalde_2018
7.16822851Auvernier_(CH):MX304:Furtwängler_2020
7.30566219Bell_Beaker_Osterhofen-Altenmarkt:RISE564:Allentoft_2015
7.36421075Szolad5:Amorim_2018
7.42303173Singen_(D):MX254:Furtwängler_2020
7.45686261NE_Iberia_c6CE_PL:I12162:Olalde_2019
7.51940157MOK15:Zegarac_2021
7.87652842I4896:Olalde_2018


Here BR2 is vs modern DNA:

Closest to Germans, and second closest to modern Hungarians:

Distance to:Hungary_1180BC:BR2:Gamba_2014
11.92082631German
12.39104919Hungarians
12.55997611English_mixed
13.77661787French
13.83621697French
14.46478828Mixed_Germanic
15.43936851Dutch
15.65762753Irish
17.02055228Kent
17.35004611CEU30
18.15252324British_Isles
18.44310440Romanians
19.27215868Cornwall
19.64846304British
19.99509190Bulgarians
20.16338513N_Italian
20.58470549Bulgarian
20.88516459Argyll
20.93991643Orkney
21.02427407Orcadian
22.25019101North_Italian
22.30282718Norwegian
22.90646415Swedish
22.96770559Galicia
23.57545546Baleares

 
^^Just for reference, modern Hungarians, and other central Europeans still have an about 50% LBK-like autosomal component, so it makes sense that the Latins and Etruscans would still have a majority Anatolia_N component, after mixing with C_Italian_ChL, who were also very Anatolia_N.

Retg3c2.jpg


If those percentages were done taking into consideration population figures, which I remember seeing done once, the majority of Europeans are "at least" 50% LBK, or said another way, Anatolia Neolithic like.
 
Vallicanus said:
Would you say that Hungary_1180 BC:BR2 is Northern French-like?

Does this sample have more or less Steppe than Catacomb?
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Sorry for butting in, Vallicanus, but Catacomb is a "pure" steppe sample, an offshoot of Yamnaya; it's not an admixed "European" sample.
 
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