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    What language or language group spoken by R1's before Proto-IE

    Similarities between Indo-European and some native American languages:
    Lakota:
    5 zaptan - pięć (pyench) - five {lakotan pt - polish pć (pch)}
    6 sakpe - six (sak=six)
    7 sakowin - seven
    9 napciyunka - nine, nava (anskrit), nave (italian)
    Cherokee:
    3 ts’oi - three, tri, tre, trzy
    Qechua
    5 pichka (polish PIĘĆ, russian PIAT’)
    6 sokta - six
    Aymara
    5 phiska
    6 sojjta
    Eskimo-Aleut to Indoeuropean:
    nana, ana, anana - mum, mommy
    ata, tata - father
    nevegshaq, neviarciaq, nivviaqqaq - girl (polish: niewiasta - young woman who doesn’t know many things yet)
    una - polish: ona, norwegian: hun
    kin, kina - who, to whom (polish: kto, kim); in turkic languages that lie between indoeuropean and eskimo-aleut, it is (kim, kiminli)
    ii, iya, izi, iri = eye
    igniq, eqniq, qeneq: polish “ogień”, “ognik” (fire, small fire) similar to latin-borrowed english word “to ignite” (“ to start burning”)
    emuq, emug, muk, immuk - milk
    naaka - no
    apete - to ask sb (polish: PYTAĆ), root for polish (and other slavic) and eskimo-aleut is “pt”
    cetaman, hitaman, chetaman - four, ćatur, cztery, cheteri, quatre etc.
    (CT/HT/CHT = CHTR, FR, QTR, CZT)

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    Is there Proto-IE and Proto-Native-American languages descent from common origin? If we think that genetic based its maybe true because R1 and Q have same father.

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    That is very interesting.It's true R & Q haplogroups are the closest. Besides they were all in Siberia during the late Paleolithic/Mesolithic.Besides I've always have thought that the linguistic families have to have a common origin, at least to some extent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aalexa View Post
    Lol. This reminded me that many years ago I saw a documentary about Native Americans in the Andes - Cordillera Mountains, probably in Peru, I don't remember exactly. But what was almost fantastic, they urged themselves on the action using exactly the same words, "HAIDE!" or "HAIDA!" and with the same intonation used in Romania. But also in the Balkans? Aromanians, in Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece and Turkey? The word has the same meaning in their language like in Romanian. "HAIDE!", "HAIDA!" ( with variants: áide, áida, haid, hăi, hai ) means "come on" or "hurry up" in English.
    In Serbia its "hajde"

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmak View Post
    Similarities between Indo-European and some native American languages:
    Is there Proto-IE and Proto-Native-American languages descent from common origin? If we think that genetic based its maybe true because R1 and Q have same father.
    Origin of R and Q haplogroups is so much in the past that perhaps there is no meaning in searching for common language that far in past. We could see in recent history how the language of small place in Italy (Rome) spread over almost half of Europe. Events like that might have happened in past as well and many peoples easily changed languages. Also you are forgetting that mothers are the one who teach kids native language and there were certainly cases in history that conquering tribes made out of males adopted the language of woman of tribes that they conquered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmak View Post
    Similarities between Indo-European and some native American languages:

    Is there Proto-IE and Proto-Native-American languages descent from common origin? If we think that genetic based its maybe true because R1 and Q have same father.
    Mal'ta Boy, whose Y haplogroup was R*, maybe spoke proto-Eurasiatic-Amerind, the common origin. He lived in Siberia about 24 kya. Studies have associated his genome with the genetic signature called Ancestral North Eurasian (ANE), and shown that ANE expanded across Eurasia and the Americas over the following thousands of years.

    Twenty years ago, before ANE had been identified, the linguist Greenberg claimed that "the Eurasiatic-Amerind family represents a relatively recent expansion (circa 15 kya) into territory opened up by the melting of the Arctic ice cap." Greenberg's proposed Eurasiatic macro family included Indo-European, Uralic, Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, Eskimo-Aleut and Chukchi-Kamchatkan. His proposed expansion of Eurasiatic-Amerind was not based on aDNA, but it could be said he predicted the later discovery of the expansion of ANE ancestry that supports his theory.


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