Scythian Borat Sagdiyev on a horseback.
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Scythian Borat Sagdiyev on a horseback.
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Your interpretations can be paralleled with that of Bruzmi, completely impossible for that sample to be modelled as Scythian-like and MJ12 Thraco-Cimmerian-like. I mean 0% possibility, i checked his autosomal and did quite balanced regional Chalcolithic/EBA components, and he doesn't score anything related to that area, he looks a recent immigrant from Southern Balkans within the context of Late Iron Age.
That degenerate seems to suffer from a pronounced cognitive dissonance disorder. Don't follow in his footsteps..
Who cares about Chalcolithic type auDNA which didn't exist in IA anymore?? Those should be used only when here are no IA samples..
Our V13, with more than 5200 samples on G25, MJ12 comes as 3rd closest to him. J2b2 La Tene 2nd, V13 Geto-Scythian 5th, Vekerzug sample 4th. IA Bulgarian 5th...
Distance to: HUN_IA_La_Tene_oEast:I18832 0.02942434 HRV_Pop_CA:POP39 0.03473345 HUN_IA_La_Tene_o:I4998 0.03718422 UKR_Cimmerian_o:MJ12 0.04051750 SVK_IA_Vekerzug:I11721 0.04070183 Scythian_MDA:scy192 0.04072761 BGR_IA:I5769 0.04078411 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ43 0.04116147 HUN_IA_Syrmian_SremGroup:I18259 0.04208370 ITA_Daunian:ORD009 0.04227834 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR111 0.04265769 HUN_La_Tene:I18493 0.04369392 SRB_BA_Maros:I23209 0.04392344 Bell_Beaker_CZE_late:PRU001.A0101 0.04411479 SRB_Mokrin_EBA_Maros:I23208 0.04424152 HRV_MBA:I4331 0.04424772 HRV_EIA:I26742 0.04430839 GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log02 0.04442846 HRV_EIA:I23904 0.04459924 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o:RMPR437b 0.04462277 ITA_Tarquinia_EMA:TAQ022 0.04476954 Bell_Beaker_ITA:I1979 0.04499078 SVK_IA_Vekerzug:I11722 0.04534405 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ40 0.04568674 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ36 0.04606025 ITA_Tivoli_Renaissance:RMPR969
Him with some Balkan samples, Myceneans are rather far.. Also clearly Proto-Illyrians/Delmatians etc also not as close.
Distance to: HUN_IA_La_Tene_oEast:I18832 0.03718422 UKR_Cimmerian_o:MJ12 0.04051750 SVK_IA_Vekerzug:I11721 0.04070183 Scythian_MDA:scy192 0.04072761 BGR_IA:I5769 0.04116147 HUN_IA_Syrmian_SremGroup:I18259 0.04442846 HRV_EIA:I23904 0.04770942 Scythian_MDA:scy300 0.04918639 Scythian_MDA:scy197 0.05042316 Scythian_HUN A198
0.05482127 HRV_IA:I3313 0.05523634 HRV_EIA:I23995 0.05619440 Scythian_MDA:scy305 0.06167173 HRV_EIA:I23996 0.06182606 HRV_EIA:I23911 0.06667336 HRV_EIA:I24638 0.07131512 GRC_Mycenaean:I9033 0.07647551 GRC_Mycenaean:I9010
His modelling with these:
Target: HUN_IA_La_Tene_oEast:I18832
Distance: 2.1463% / 0.02146333
39.4 UKR_Cimmerian_o
18.2 BGR_IA
17.8 HRV_EIA
15.4 GRC_Mycenaean
9.2 HUN_IA_Syrmian_SremGroup
This to you means he has "nothing to do with MJ12"???
He is not as Southern as you are portraying him to be. He carries an ultra Scythian mtDNA, most likely he is a recent migrant from Hungarian Scythian areas. Such profiles were alot more common in those areas also.
The point still stands, it looks to me that E-V13 intruded into Carpathian mountain during MBA from somewhere else. I still stand to my original opinion that it came from further west than Carpathians.
Do not want to chip in on the analysis part. But I do believe the _o on G25 means outlier. So that should be telling. Only chipping in since I18832 is among my closest matches.
Edit: For reference:
This is why basing analyses on outliers can be tricky. Without knowing the naming convention for G25 one could make a point of Cimmerians being Illyrian/Roman.
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