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    ^^^
    In this respect, Russians are similar to Germans - with the exception of Ordnung, which is not valued in Russia (but obedience is).
    There are words which carry the presage of defeat. Defence is such a word. What is the result of an even victorious defence? The next attempt of imposing it to that weaker, defender. The attacker, despite temporary setback, feels the master of situation.

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    We getting in turbulent times and there is enough to blame all sides but the victims of that are
    the Ukranians and the Russian people and lesser the Western alliance.

    I think that:
    That was the end of the "end of the history", and the meta-modern narration of an zelotious determinism
    proposing that economy is the absolut shaper of societies.
    The end; of the -prosperous; and peacefull;- "global village". (the end of globalization and reverse to the ethno-nationalisms)
    The end; of the dialectics of materialism (eg. The heart is not what discriminates cowards; and heroes; but just an fluid pump;)
    The end; of the pragmatological model theories of "bio-ethics" and the "bio-mechanics" as proposed from Industrial Revolution.
    The end; of the ethics of the traditional Left-Right "idea-smos" (Gr. ιδεασμός ~poltergeisted from an "Idea") and their transformation
    of them to: Homo Economists and Homo Ecologists. (White collared and non collared, t-shirted wear, chimps)


    The end of the "dream" that we building a better world.

    (Excuse for any neologisms. -How else to describe such a sickness?)

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    That was an episode of WOKE Russia...
    How an middle civil servant became a "Vogyar", that is a case study.

    Russia the land of opportunities...

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    HI guys. three hundred posts


    (Eight years and I am still here. Three hundreds posts with a lots of punctuation points, dots, spots, speckles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vallicanus View Post
    If this is true, Germany's attitude is a disgrace and the Germans are secretly Russia's lapdogs.
    Andrew II of Hungary wrote 800 years ago:

    "The Teutons are like fire in your chest, like a mouse in your backpack, like a viper in your womb."

    ^^^ And shortly after that King Andrew did a wise thing, and expelled those treacherous Teutons from Hungary. And look what these Teutonic snakes are doing just now - when Europe is in crisis and needs unity - they are inciting divisions ("divide et impera") as always:

    https://newsfounded.com/polandeng/ge...round-ukraine/

    Although no one speaks about it out loud, the cancellation of the Visegrad Group meeting planned for this week could also mean the end of many years of cooperation wrote the Sueddeutsche Zeitung on Wednesday.

    Also Poland has taken over 2 million Ukrainian refugees since 24 February but these pigs still write about "hatred of foreigners in Poland".

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    ^^^
    One meeting was cancelled, and these Teutonic "snakes" are already hoping in their hearts for a permanent disintegration of the Visegrad Group. You know what, Germans? One cancelled meeting is just that, nothing more. Don't be too quick with destroying Visegrad Group "in your mind".

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    ^^^
    I don't want unity with a country which will always boss my country around, tell us how to live, and undermine my nation at every occasion.

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    Northener, you said that Germany has changed? How about this?:

    Germany sees spike in anti-Semitic crimes (2021):

    https://www.dw.com/en/germany-sees-s...rts/a-56537178

    Anti-Semitism in Germany 'sharply rising' (2020):

    https://www.dw.com/en/anti-semitism-...ncy/a-55211350

    ^^^
    Good that Jews are not defenceless anymore (English subtitles in the video are available):



    ^^^
    English translation of lyrics:




    VERSE 1:
    So many ages
    Wandering the world
    So many harm and evil
    You can't even imagine
    Finally came the era
    of Reason and Enlightenment
    For the Jewish people
    The humiliation was over
    We rose from the ghettos
    To work like people
    To build, to heal, to fight
    And to produce
    Co-create the culture
    European civilization
    For we all are brothers, aren't we?
    Comprising human nation?
    Premature were these rejoicings though
    The Dreyfus Affair
    exposed the naked truth
    of the EVIL
    of anti-Jewish obsession
    There is no place for us
    in Europe...




    No place for us




    CHORUS:
    Why, oh why
    You hate me so much?
    Why, oh why
    You want to deal me death?
    Why, oh why
    Is the Jew so alien to you?
    Why, oh why
    Aren't you still unashamed of your evil?




    why the Jews pain you so?




    VERSE 2:
    And here comes Theodore Herzl
    The Zionist power!
    He has long presumed
    That Jews are doomed here
    Assimilation is fiction
    The Jew will always be the Jew
    Thus we need our own state
    To protect us against the fungus
    of antisemitic paranoias
    of primitive mobs
    So-called public opinion
    From the depths of Teutonic wilderness
    We need to be a united
    and a creative as hell a nation
    and not a beggars' diaspora
    begging for Europe's allowance
    We are the people of Abraham
    Of David who vanquished Goliath
    Of infinite wisdom of Solomon
    Under the shield of archangel Michael
    Why don't we buy land in Syria
    and transform it into a power?
    Creating a modern Israel
    with no hand-kissing




    No hand-kissing for you!




    CHORUS:
    Why, oh why
    You hate me so much?
    Why, oh why
    You want to deal me death?
    Why, oh why
    Is the Jew so alien to you?
    Why, oh why
    Aren't you still unashamed of your evil?




    Never ever again
    You'll spit at us
    Never ever again
    You'll break a Jew in half
    Never ever again
    You'll shut our mouths
    Since today - forever
    We're ready to pull the trigger




    YEAH
    Ready to pull the trigger!




    For ever
    Ready to pull the trigger!




    For ever
    Ready to pull the trigger!




    Aye
    Always ready to pull the trigger!




    Straight onto the faces
    Of those hostile to Zion

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    ^^^
    Daily reminder that Jews were 21% of Germany's significant figures in 1870-1950 despite being only 1% of Germany's population:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...obel_laureates


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Northener, you said that Germany has changed? How about this?:

    Germany sees spike in anti-Semitic crimes (2021):

    https://www.dw.com/en/germany-sees-s...rts/a-56537178

    Anti-Semitism in Germany 'sharply rising' (2020):

    https://www.dw.com/en/anti-semitism-...ncy/a-55211350

    ^^^
    Good that Jews are not defenceless anymore (English subtitles in the video are available):



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    Indeed like everywhere that damned ethnocentrism is everywhere rising.....also in Germany.
    Nevertheless the situation and social climate in Germany is for sure differentiated from 100 years ago. Which doen't mean it is 'spotless' just like the Netherlands or Poland is 'spotless'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    Indeed like everywhere that damned ethnocentrism is everywhere rising.....also in Germany.
    Ethnocentrism is not rising in Germany. But anti-Semitism is rising.


    I wouldn't connect one with the other, you can be ethnocentric without being anti-Semitic or hateful towards other ethnic groups in general.

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    ^^^ For instance Israel itself is very ethnocentric but not hateful towards other ethnic groups.


    Israel is a good model to follow for European countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Ethnocentrism is not rising in Germany. But anti-Semitism is rising.


    I wouldn't connect one with the other, you can be ethnocentric without being anti-Semitic or hateful towards other ethnic groups in general.
    I differ.
    Anti-semitism is in Europe mostly en vogue among the most severe ethnocentrist....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    I differ.
    Anti-semitism is in Europe mostly en vogue among the most severe ethnocentrist....
    I disagree.

    And to be honest, in Germany probably Muslims are responsible for >50% of these anti-Semitic crimes, rather than native ethnic Germans.

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    ^^^ Islam is a religion of hate (although there are some sub-branches of Islam which are more moderate and more peaceful).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    ^^^ For instance Israel itself is very ethnocentric but not hateful towards other ethnic groups.


    Israel is a good model to follow for European countries.
    Theoretically your position is possible. But in praxis, this:

    What is ethnocentrism in simple terms?
    "Ethnocentrism" is a commonly used word in circles where ethnicity, inter-ethnic relations, and similar inter-group issues are of concern. The usual definition of the term is "thinking one's own group's ways are superior to others" or "judging other groups as inferior to one's own".
    ....leads to anti-semitism (jews are inferior....).

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    One flaw of modern Europe is that we morally relativize everything, we say "nothing is black or white, everything is gray now".


    Bullshit, not everything is gray.


    And some things are morally blacker than others. Islam is a more barbarian and more violent religion than Christianity, period.

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    No, ethnocentrism is not about thinking that your ethnic group is superior to others.

    Just like familycentrism is not about thinking that your family is superior to others.

    It is simply about caring first about your own family, only then about other families.

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    Will Russia liberate Germany (again) ???

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    I would be fine with AfD if they were not hateful against "others" and revanchist against Poland.


    But pro-AfD Germans are a bit like White Russians (anti-Communist Russians) in 1919-1920.


    The White Russians were even more anti-Polish than Red Russians (Bolsheviks) - they did not accept independence of Poland at all.


    This is probably why Jozef Pilsudski decided not to help the Whites against the Bolsheviks.


    It was like choosing between typhus and cholera.


    And nowadays right-wing Germans and left-wing Germans are both anti-Polish, only for different reasons. Typhus vs. cholera again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Also Poland has taken over 2 million Ukrainian refugees since 24 February but these pigs still write about "hatred of foreigners in Poland".
    germans and poles live right next to each other you think germans do not realize the political mood in poland? there are peasants who have to seperate polish guest workers from others, e.g. asylum seekers who work on the farm, because it would lead to racism and aggression coming from the poles.

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    https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/1-...184052922.html

    UPDATE 2-Germany says to still pay for Russian gas in euros/dollars after Scholz-Putin call

    Cheap, reliable, energy could be a real boost to the EU economy, instead of war in Ukraine, if they can reach a deal with Russia(win, win situation for both sides).


    BERLIN, March 30 (Reuters) - Germany will continue to pay for Russian gas in euros or dollars, a government spokesman said, adding that Russian President Vladimir Putin had told the German chancellor nothing would change for European partners despite his plan for rouble payments.
    Maybe in the future Putin can give good discounts, if countries decide to pay in roubles and join SPFS
    The Russian Government is also in talks to expand SPFS to developing countries such as Turkey and Iran.[6] Owing to its limitations, the SPFS system is seen as a last resort, rather than as a replacement for the SWIFT network.[1] Since 2019 many agreements have been reached to link SPFS to other countries' payment systems in China, India, Iran, as well as the countries inside the EAEU who are planning to use SPFS directly.
    on gas, oil, coal, agricultural, potash, minerals etc...
    Suum cuique---Rubiconem suum


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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    (...)
    Nice, but... Russia will most likely no longer exist after this war, it will fragment into several smaller countries:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_Russia

    ^^^ Quote:

    "Recent instability in Russia due to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and a loss of prestige for the Russian military has brought renewed attention to the idea of a dissolution of Russia."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Nice, but... Russia will most likely no longer exist after this war, it will fragment into several smaller countries:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_Russia

    ^^^ Quote:

    "Recent instability in Russia due to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and a loss of prestige for the Russian military has brought renewed attention to the idea of a dissolution of Russia."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    No, ethnocentrism is not about thinking that your ethnic group is superior to others.

    Just like familycentrism is not about thinking that your family is superior to others.

    It is simply about caring first about your own family, only then about other families.
    To say it black and white severe ethnocentrism leads very easily to see other ethnos with dedain.

    Practically you can't name an ethnocentrist who is not vulnerable to that.

    Just likt an egocentrist is caught in that his own ideas and values are the best......

    Besides that after the fall of the wall ethnocentrism is key to the wars in Europe from former Yugoslavia to Ukraine now.
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