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I agree with the first part, but the later one not. The Chinese don't care for that woke brainwashing and pseudoreligion in the USA, which spills, unfortunately, over the Atlantic to Europe too. All that crap and nonsense, which undermines the Western societies. But its "homemade", has nothing to do with Russia and the Chinese, which, if anything, rather oppose it.
But China has a play in this conflct, not as big as the USA, quite obviously, but it was the Chinese alternative to humiliating West which brought Russia further away from other Europeans. They kind of offered an alternative, which Russia began to trust, so they didn't had to care about the disappointing and treacherous West any more. Like this is a different card.
And China was involved, both in Russia and Ukraine, big time. And they have no interest, whatsoever, of a weakened Russia or a totally Americanised Ukraine. Ukraine was a good partner for them, for India even more so, but not as important and more problematic than Russia.
The Ukraine conflict is the first conflict of the emerging blocks, possibly, and this became very apparent. If Russia fails without collapsing, which looks most likely at this point, after a "Russia is half-way victorious", but won't be accepted by the West as before, it will be even more dependent on China, that's for sure in both most likely scenarios.
I think this will be the case. As Russia is already setting steps into a totalitarian regime just like China. And if Europe will succeed in to be less dependance from Russian oil and gas there will be less to share....
Chinese have also an interest in war in the Ukrain because of Tawain.
And to me 'woke' are 'hard boiled identity thinkers', more Gramsci (cultural) than Marx (materialistic). And they resemble very close the Dugin like types that's pretty obvious to me. Dugin and also Putin are woke (hard boiled identity politics) from the fare right