Politics Will Russia Attack Ukraine?

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And Konfederacja (the Polish AfD) has similar views about this war as Riverman: they advice against Polish involvement.

However, they do agree that Ukrainian victory in this war would be better for Poland, than Russian victory in this war.

 

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Germanic population with a democratic mindset

Democracy is not a "natural" mindset for Germanic peoples IMO.
In fact early Slavic tribes were desribed as the most democratic among barbarians, by Medieval sources.
However - Russian democratic mindset was destroyed forever by Varangian and later Mongol influences.

 

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Germans are sensitive to even the slightest criticism of their country, I know. American Jew - Kaufman - also wrote about it:

"Whoever does not at once agree with their extravagances is a barbarian. You must love their country [Germany] in full armor, with dervish-like celebrations and howls, eyes shut and body trembling with ecstasy; a deaf ear must be turned to the rest of the world on its failings."

 

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Democracy is not a "natural" mindset for Germanic peoples IMO.

Thanks so I have an inherent genetic abnormality characterized by a right hand deviation and a preference for clicking heels do you think?

 

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On a biological level, we are unfortunately still wired to be tribal. We haven't evolved as fast as our values have changed.

Believing in these enlightened social values = you are unaware of the biological reality like Dodo Birds when getting shot.

With such a mindset no need to oppose Putin any longer....pure social darwinism Tomenable.

 

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With such a mindset no need to oppose Putin any longer.

What I meant is - that you have to fight fire with fire. Being enlightened while opposing Putin doesn't work.

We can't be soft on the Russians because if the Russians win they will not be soft on the Ukrainians for sure.

Why should for example Ukrainian army stop at the border of Crimea, if they have the ability to recapture it?

Due to some kind of "enlightened altruism" for the Russians? No, they must fight fire with fire, it is how it is.

 

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We were too soft on the Germans in 1945. This mistake cannot be repeated this time after Russia's defeat.

 

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You see - the defeated side must both respect and fear the victor, if they are supposed to learn the lesson.

After 1945 Germans neither respected nor feared the victors, because they were treated too softly by them.

 

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What I meant is - that you have to fight fire with fire. Being enlightened while opposing Putin doesn't work.

We can't be soft on the Russians because if the Russians win they will not be soft on the Ukrainians for sure.

Why should for example Ukrainian army stop at the border of Crimea, if they have the ability to recapture it?

Due to some kind of "enlightened altruism" for the Russians? No, they must fight fire with fire, it is how it is.

That's already the case in eastern Ukraine, I can hardly see the difference between the insignia of Azov:

And the tattoo of that Wagner group guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin#/media/File:Dmitry_Utkin.jpg

Again that Dugin fascist-bolsjewist elixer.

 

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And the tattoo of that Wagner group guy:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Dmitry_Utkin.jpg

This Dmitry Utkin looks exactly like some of the Yamnaya skull reconstructions! Scary!:

1) Yamnaya man:

2) Dmitry Utkin:

 

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What I meant is - that you have to fight fire with fire. Being enlightened while opposing Putin doesn't work.

We can't be soft on the Russians because if the Russians win they will not be soft on the Ukrainians for sure.

Why should for example Ukrainian army stop at the border of Crimea, if they have the ability to recapture it?

Due to some kind of "enlightened altruism" for the Russians? No, they must fight fire with fire, it is how it is.

No I don't want to be lowered like that. Call me softy or whatsoever but I don't want to lower me to a kind of fascism.....soit.

 

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This Dmitry Utkin looks exactly like some of the Yamnaya skull reconstructions! Scary!:

1) Yamnaya man:

2) Dmitry Utkin:

Yes the is also a part of that Eurasian thought.....be aware he seems to be 'Slavic pagan'. To me this is your worst night mare face, and that seems to be the intention....

 

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At least you three now admitted that peace and human rights are not your primary concern

Peace and human rights were my primary concerns until 22.02.2022.

But you can't be a pacifist when there is already a war, it doesn't work!

And as one wise Georgian man said - "one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is statistics".

I understand it like this: after a certain treshold of lost lives, losing more doesn't matter anymore.

If 100,000 died, it is such a tragedy that it doesn't bother you anymore, if 300,000 more will die.

 

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At least you three now admitted that peace and human rights are not your primary concern. Its anti-Russian, probably even anti-German sentiment and policy, that's all. Thank you.

Based on international law of armed conflict, this Russian invasion is illegal. No mattter how much mental gymnastics pro-Putin people do:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

^^^ I already linked this before but you dismissed it as "Wikipedia edit wars".

 

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This war even violates Russia's own domestic criminal law (which is why they don't call it war but "special operation"), quote:

"Legality of invasion under domestic criminal codes:

Some commentators have stated that in addition to violating international law, the invasion of Ukraine violated some countries' domestic criminal codes, including those of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, and Poland.[13][14] For example, Article 353 of the Russian Criminal Code prohibits planning, preparing, unleashing, or waging an aggressive war.[49] The criminal codes of Ukraine (article 437), Belarus (article 122), and Poland (article 117) have similar prohibitions. Any country seeking to begin a prosecution under its national laws would need to either have territorial jurisdiction over crimes arising out of the invasion of Ukraine or allow for universal jurisdiction. State immunity doctrines would be another obstacle to prosecution.[13]"

 

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Horák reminds us that Putin has not just financed Utkin, but has also given him state honors on behalf of the Russian Federation. Utkin and other mercenaries are also known as "Rodnovery," believers in a neo-pagan "Slavic" faith based on racist ideology that incorporates symbols and rhetoric close to Bolshevism and Nazism.

One such mercenary has testified to the callousness and cruelty of Putin's paramilitaries. According to Radio Free Europe, there is a rule among the Wagnerites that all their captives meet a certain death by torture

"We have specialists who remove eyes," a member of the group testified about its crimes in Syria. "They take a spoon and dig around up and down until the eyeballs are just dangling there."

http://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/t...o-murder-zelenskyy-and-the-klitschko-brothers

 

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^^^
When I wrote that we can't be soft on the Russians I didn't mean that we should use the same barbarian methods.

On the other hand - when you capture such criminals, it is hard to decide if they deserve being treated like POWs.

 

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I can hardly see the difference between the insignia of Azov:

(...)

And the tattoo of that Wagner group guy:

Well, I can see the difference.

The Wagner group guy's tattoo is 100% identical as Nazi symbols (it simply is a Nazi symbol).

On the other hand, the insignia of Azov only very vaguely resemble Nazi Germany's symbols, as well as symbols of many other Non-Nazi military units.

 

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Scholz is clearly anti Putin.

Germany's conduct since the beginning of this conflict is pure comedy.

At first they refused to send weapons and agreed only to send helmets:

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukr...ter-criticism-not-sending-weapons-2022-1?IR=T

^^^
But the transport was delayed (deliberately?) and did not arrive before the war.

Then on 24 February Germans said to Ukrainians: "we are not sending these helmets because your country will fall within hours anyway".

After another day passed, and Ukraine didn't fall within hours, they finally sent.

Ukrainians were joking that they might as well send them some pillows instead:

https://sports.yahoo.com/5-000-helmets-germany-offered-175355794.html

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In general based on Germany's actions it looks like they are trying to pretend that they are pro-Ukraine, but secretely they are pro-Putin.