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    Imperial Roman Community of Casal Bertone (Rome, First–Third Centuries AD)

    https://www.mdpi.com/2073-4425/13/1/136/htm

    This paper aims to provide a first glimpse into the genomic characterization of individuals buried in Casal Bertone (Rome, first–third centuries AD) to gain preliminary insight into the genetic makeup of people who lived near a tannery workshop, fullonica. Therefore, we explored the genetic characteristics of individuals who were putatively recruited as fuller workers outside the Roman population. Moreover, we identified the microbial communities associated with humans to detect microbes associated with the unhealthy environment supposed for such a workshop. We examined five individuals from Casal Bertone for ancient DNA analysis through whole-genome sequencing via a shotgun approach. We conducted multiple investigations to unveil the genetic components featured in the samples studied and their associated microbial communities. We generated reliable whole-genome data for three samples surviving the quality controls. The individuals were descendants of people from North African and the Near East, two of the main foci for tannery and dyeing activity in the past. Our evaluation of the microbes associated with the skeletal samples showed microbes growing in soils with waste products used in the tannery process, indicating that people lived, died, and were buried around places where they worked. In that perspective, the results represent the first genomic characterization of fullers from the past. This analysis broadens our knowledge about the presence of multiple ancestries in Imperial Rome, marking a starting point for future data integration as part of interdisciplinary research on human mobility and the bio-cultural characteristics of people employed in dedicated workshops.

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    F4 = L-M17

    T21 = J-Y28882

    T46 = J-Z387
    Fathers mtdna ...... T2b17
    Grandfather paternal mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ...... K1a4p
    Mothers line ..... R1b-S8172
    Grandmother paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ..... R1a-PF6155

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    MTA spotlights: I get 2 Casal Bertone matches out of 5 (foreigners), … vs 4 out of 4 of the Imperial Roman Villa Centocelle spotlights (Italians, I Think):




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    Do you think MyTrueAncestry is reliable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vallicanus View Post
    Do you think MyTrueAncestry is reliable?
    The top 30 Archaeogenetic matches are scrambled all over, … some of the samples that should be up are down and vice versa, … imho they should use a calculator similar to Dodecad K12b, … for the Modern Populations too.

    I like the Ancient Relatives Deep Dive chromosomes apps, viewing the Maps, …

    Although I know it's not perfect, they do weekly updates and I find it entertaining.

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    Some of the calculators on YourDnaPortal are good.

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    I don't have access to the Casal Bertone genomes,
    … though … F4 according to MTA:
    T46 is too far from me and I'm not sure, but it could be useless, maybe they made a mistake, … T46_R1 and T46_R2 sound like paired fastq files, … they should have run them all together because it's just one sample, … I can’t view the rest of the samples because I don’t match them.






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    No matches to the foreigners from the tanneries.

    Imperial Rome Casal Bertone Tannery Mausoleum

    F4 (100 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: H

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: L1b (FGC36877/M317)

    (You do not match this sample)
    Imperial Rome Casal Bertone Tannery

    T46 (100 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: H+152

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: J2a1a1b2a1b (FGC2837/Z440)

    (You do not match this sample)
    Imperial Rome Casal Bertone Tannery

    T21 (100 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: X2n

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: J2a1a1a2a2b2d1 (Y28882)

    (You do not match this sample)
    Imperial Rome Casal Bertone Tannery Necropolis

    T9 (100 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup:

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain

    (You do not match this sample)
    Imperial Rome Anatolian Girl Casal Bertone Tannery Mausoleum

    F9 (100 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: X2n

    (You do not match this sample)



    Two distant matches to samples from Imperial Rome Centocelle

    The tomb was first assigned to Helena, the mother of the emperor Constantine, and later to the Popes.


    Imperial Rome Centocelle

    R47 (282 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: J1c1c

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: G2a2b1b1a1b (FGC41451)

    Genetic Distance: 13.194
    Sample Match! 100% closer than other users
    Imperial Rome Centocelle

    R49 (200 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: H1u

    (You do not match this sample)
    Imperial Rome Centocelle

    R50 (190 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: H5

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: J2b1 (CTS9100)

    (You do not match this sample)
    Imperial Rome Centocelle

    R51 (200 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: U3b1

    Genetic Distance: 12.734
    Sample Match! 100% closer than other users


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    These are my two funniest:

    The bloodthirsty French Revolutionary Jean-Paul Marat:
    Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France

    Marat (1793 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: H2a2a1f

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain

    Genetic Distance: 19.178
    Sample Match! 60% closer than other users



    The sample from the relic long suspected of holding the dried blood of the guillotined Louis XVI. Doubt it is.

    Relic French King Louis XVI

    LXVI (1793 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: N1b

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: G2a (P15/PF3112)

    Genetic Distance: 11.254
    Sample Match! 98% closer than other users

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    My matches ...

    Mytrueancestry:


    Oetzi 3300 BC
    mtDNA : K1
    Shared DNA : ( Sample Quality :77)
    4SNP chains (min 60 SNPs.)/ 87.22cM.
    Largest chain : 144 SNPs/60.26 cM.
    Your raw data is 86% closer than other matching users.

    Gedmatch :




    Comparing Kit T666266 (*italouruguayan) [Migration - F2 - T] and Kit F999815 (Otzi Iceman Tisenjoch Italy 5.4ky Alps_Chalcolithic) [GEDmatch Xfer]

    Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically between 200 and 400 SNPs
    Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 7.0 cM
    Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.


    No shared DNA segments found

    486549 SNPs used for this comparison.

    Comparison took 0.02.
    CPU time used: 0.018.

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    As the time MTA is updating the sample list, I losing a lot of Spotlights among my 125 samples displayed because the distance from my 125 sample is now 13.33. In order for me to be shown more than 125 samples, I would need to upgrade my profile.

    The only fun sample that remained in my top 125 ancient matches is this:



    Le Mans Revolutionary France

    LM_406_T (1793 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: H79a

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain


    Genetic Distance: 11.540
    Sample Match! 98% closer than other users

    The other cool samples dropped out of my top 125:

    Le Mans Revolutionary France

    LM_406_T (1793 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: H79a

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain


    Genetic Distance: 11.540
    Sample Match! 98% closer than other users

    Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France

    Marat (1793 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: H2a2a1f

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain


    Genetic Distance: 16.329
    Sample Match! 78% closer than other users

    Crusader Knight French / Lebanon

    SI-40 (1250 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: U5a1g

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a1b1a1 (P310/PF6546/S129)


    Genetic Distance: 16.738
    Sample Match! 96% closer than other users

    Boscombe Bowmen Amesbury

    I2416-BB (2300 BC)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: K1b1a1

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a1b1a1 (P310/PF6546/S129)


    Genetic Distance: 17.584
    Sample Match! 95% closer than other users

    Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford

    V4P (1002 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: H17c

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain


    Genetic Distance: 21.569
    Sample Match! 33% closer than other users

    Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford

    VK146 (1002 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: J1c3e1

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: I1a2a1a1d1a1a (BY224/Y5181)


    Genetic Distance: 14.177
    Sample Match! 74% closer than other users

    Relic French King Louis XVI

    LXVI (1793 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: N1b

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: G2a (P15/PF3112)


    Deep Dive Match! 96% closer than others who share this deep dive sample

    Carolingian Settlement Barcelona

    I7672 (790 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: T2h

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a1b1a1a2a1b1a1 (CTS4716)


    Genetic Distance: 18.422
    Sample Match! 89% closer than other users
    Carolingian Settlement Barcelona

    I7673 (790 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: W1+119


    Genetic Distance: 20.745
    Sample Match! 97% closer than other users

    Carolingian Settlement Barcelona

    I7675 (790 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: U3a1

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a1b1a1a (L151/PF6542)


    Genetic Distance: 21.376
    Sample Match! 97% closer than other users
    Carolingian Settlement Barcelona

    I7676 (790 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: U5a1c


    Genetic Distance: 16.252
    Sample Match! 97% closer than other users

    Celtic Briton Gladiator York

    6DRIF-22 (250 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: H

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a1b1a1a2b (L343)


    Deep Dive Match! 93% closer than others who share this deep dive sample
    Genetic Distance: 21.852
    Sample Match! 29% closer than other users

    Late Period Ancient Egypt

    JK2911 (650 BC)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: M1a1

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: J2b1 (CTS9100)


    Deep Dive Match! 25% closer than others who share this deep dive sample
    Ptolemaic Egypt

    JK2888 (50 BC)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: U6a2

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: E1b1b1a1b2-V22


    Deep Dive Match! 29% closer than others who share this deep dive sample

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    Quote Originally Posted by italouruguayan View Post
    My matches ...
    Mytrueancestry:
    Oetzi 3300 BC
    mtDNA : K1
    Shared DNA : ( Sample Quality :77)
    4SNP chains (min 60 SNPs.)/ 87.22cM.
    Largest chain : 144 SNPs/60.26 cM.
    Your raw data is 86% closer than other matching users.
    Gedmatch :
    Comparing Kit T666266 (*italouruguayan) [Migration - F2 - T] and Kit F999815 (Otzi Iceman Tisenjoch Italy 5.4ky Alps_Chalcolithic) [GEDmatch Xfer]
    Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically between 200 and 400 SNPs
    Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 7.0 cM

    Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.
    No shared DNA segments found
    486549 SNPs used for this comparison.
    Comparison took 0.02.
    CPU time used: 0.018.

    Since in Mytrueancestry I have a coincidence with Otzi, and in Gedmatch I don't coincide at all, I would like to know if MTA is reliable...

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    I'm afraid MTA is probably not very accurate. K12b puts me at a distance of 16, not 13, to the Southern Italian like sample, which makes much more sense, as that's usually around my distance to Southern Italians.

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    MTA rounds up the percentages, I think.
    … Angela and I can't both be “100% closer than other users” to R47 Imperial Rome Centocelle :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    MTA rounds up the percentages, I think.
    … Angela and I can't both be “100% closer than other users” to R47 Imperial Rome Centocelle :)

    i am

    Imperial Rome Centocelle
    R47 (282 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: J1c1c
    Y-DNA Haplogroup: G2a2b1b1a1b (FGC41451)

    Deep Dive Match! 80% closer than others who share this deep dive sample

    ..................................................

    and


    Imperial Rome Centocelle
    R51 (200 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: U3b1

    Deep Dive Match! 17% closer than others who share this deep dive sample

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    and I have zero with any samples in

    Roman Tannery of Casal Bertone

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    i am
    Imperial Rome Centocelle
    R47 (282 AD)
    mtDNA Haplogroup: J1c1c
    Y-DNA Haplogroup: G2a2b1b1a1b (FGC41451)
    Deep Dive Match! 80% closer than others who share this deep dive sample
    ..................................................
    and
    Imperial Rome Centocelle
    R51 (200 AD)
    mtDNA Haplogroup: U3b1
    Deep Dive Match! 17% closer than others who share this deep dive sample
    I was comparing only the ‘other users’ “Genetic Distance” percentages to R47,

    … though I get 3 deep dives with the Imperial Rome Centocelle samples too:


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