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    No Constantinople for you Greece...Signed the United Kingdom

    Ouch Greece you came so close to regaining your ancient territory...blame the Brits...


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    As if Greeks were descendants of Ancient Greeks.

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    Constantinople was named after Constantine the Great the Roman emperor. The Constantine is Latin not Greek and initially Latin was the franca lingua. With time Greek took her place but it's citizens considered themselves as Romans not Greeks which persisted through the Ottoman rule. The empire was know as the Roman Empire not the Byzantine. The term Byzantine was coined after the end of the realm. Modern Greeks are decanted from these Romans which were simply Christians that were living in the area of Greece and modern Turkey. Many of them didn't speak Greek but Turkish, Slavic, Aromanian and Albanian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neader-tall View Post
    Constantinople was named after Constantine the Great the Roman emperor. The Constantine is Latin not Greek and initially Latin was the franca lingua. With time Greek took her place but it's citizens considered themselves as Romans not Greeks which persisted through the Ottoman rule. The empire was know as the Roman Empire not the Byzantine. The term Byzantine was coined after the end of the realm. Modern Greeks are decanted from these Romans which were simply Christians that were living in the area of Greece and modern Turkey. Many of them didn't speak Greek but Turkish, Slavic, Aromanian and Albanian.
    ΑΛΗΘΩΣ True

    Also due to christianity and the hunt of pagans the term Hellenas (Greek) was synonym to pagan and non believer

    Early East Roman empire had 2+1 +1 + 2 languages Latin Greek and Persian in East and Thracian in Balkans with Semitic, Hebrew and Arabic also exist, maybe Scythian in some parts.
    By time remain only latin and Greek in European part and Greek only in East, probably after Islam expansion

    much after appear Slavic Albanian and Turks
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    Hybris (abuse, opprombium) is born
    Nemesis and punishment follows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schön View Post
    As if Greeks were descendants of Ancient Greeks.
    they have a lot og ancient greek dna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    they have a lot og ancient greek dna.
    I think that Albanian (or Illyrian) mountain peoples came Greece and Macedonia and assimilated Greek Culture and Hellenized. I think that sizeable percentage of today's Greeks E-V13 descent from this people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmak View Post
    I think that Albanian (or Illyrian) mountain peoples came Greece and Macedonia and assimilated Greek Culture and Hellenized. I think that sizeable percentage of today's Greeks E-V13 descent from this people.
    Ancient greeks had e-v13 too and no one can say the opossite.According to my research,albanian dna in greece is about 5-12% and slavic 10-15%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neader-tall View Post
    Constantinople was named after Constantine the Great the Roman emperor. The Constantine is Latin not Greek and initially Latin was the franca lingua. With time Greek took her place but it's citizens considered themselves as Romans not Greeks which persisted through the Ottoman rule. The empire was know as the Roman Empire not the Byzantine. The term Byzantine was coined after the end of the realm. Modern Greeks are decanted from these Romans which were simply Christians that were living in the area of Greece and modern Turkey. Many of them didn't speak Greek but Turkish, Slavic, Aromanian and Albanian.
    Some corrections. Latin was not the lingua franca in the East Med. Latin was the administrative language of the East Roman empire at first. It didn't really catch on. So the Greek language, the actual lingua franca, replaced it as an administrative language as well.

    Constantinople was founded by Greeks as Byzantium and was eventually renamed after a Roman, Constantine. When it became the capital of the Eastern Roman empire, it was settled by Greeks en masse. The modern Greeks are the offspring of the Romans (Byzantines). They could have easily called themselves that way upon building their modern state (Greece). On the other hand, they were never really Roman were they? They were essentially Greeks who became Roman citizens. The West never stopped referring to them as Greeks, for good reason.
    Last edited by Dianatomia; 06-09-22 at 16:46.

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    Well, things (unsurprisingly...) are way more complex- this is a good read for all interested in the matter (and it deals only with the Eastern Roman Empire times) :


    Ioannis Stouraitis

    "Roman identity in Byzantium: a critical approach"


    https://www.degruyter.com/document/d...-2014-0009/pdf

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    Then from who are we descended??

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    Boy there are Fallmayers everywhere and in different eras. Greeks were always welcoming to non-natives. They had colonies all over the place in which they mix with the natives. Artisans came to Athens from all over the known world and mixed with the natives.

    As far as the Albanians/Arvanites and the Vlachs they were pretty insular communities for the longest time. They maintained their linguistic, cultural and land holdings within their communities until the 1930s when they started intermarrying with the Greek speakers. In the 1960s there were Arvatites in the town where I was born that spoke only Arvanitika. Now of course the situation is completely different and the different communities intermix with wild abandon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    Boy there are Fallmayers everywhere and in different eras. Greeks were always welcoming to non-natives. They had colonies all over the place in which they mix with the natives. Artisans came to Athens from all over the known world and mixed with the natives.

    As far as the Albanians/Arvanites and the Vlachs they were pretty insular communities for the longest time. They maintained their linguistic, cultural and land holdings within their communities until the 1930s when they started intermarrying with the Greek speakers. In the 1960s there were Arvatites in the town where I was born that spoke only Arvanitika. Now of course the situation is completely different and the different communities intermix with wild abandon.
    They assimilated some natives in the zones they colonized but they were not a multiethnic West Asian civilization as some would imply. Assimilation of some Thracians in Thrace or some Anatolians in Anatolia is nothing special.
    Many civilizations did the same.

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    Modern Greeks are indeed descended from ancient Greeks, and eastern Peloponnesians and Maniot are the closest of all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Modern Greeks are indeed descended from ancient Greeks, and eastern Peloponnesians and Maniot are the closest of all.
    Yes this is true

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