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Thread: Mobility in the Iron Age Central Mediterranean

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    Nice to see you back and highly productive, Salento. As was to be expected, nothing close to me

    Distance to: Duarte
    10.58156416 R10340_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
    10.74084261 R10361_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
    10.84964055 R10363_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
    11.15640175 R11104_Italy_bc-Pian_Sultano
    11.51329666 R10338_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
    12.60043253 R10359_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
    13.10298439 R11105_Italy_bc-Pian_Sultano
    13.11580344 R11121_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD
    13.50814199 R10343_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
    13.72320298 R11107_Italy_bc-Pian_Sultano
    14.26598752 R10342_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
    14.53634755 R10344_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
    14.69903398 R11749_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
    15.37824762 R1294_Cancelleria_500-1400_AD
    15.56491246 R11102_Italy_bc-Pian_Sultano
    15.56748213 R11115_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD
    16.79441574 R1223_Cancelleria_1480_AD
    17.36793022 R11791_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
    18.80429738 R1555_Urbino-Bivio_81calCE-210calCE
    23.66744811 R11755_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
    24.11882045 R11790_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
    24.33953368 R1292_Cancelleria_500-1400_AD
    24.82772241 R11120_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD
    26.95366765 R11780_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
    27.06108091 R11776_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene

    Distance to: Duarte
    5.94313767 59.80% R1223_Cancelleria_1480_AD + 40.20% R11790_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
    6.11588624 64.40% R10342_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi + 35.60% R11790_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
    6.28609794 64.00% R10342_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi + 36.00% R11755_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
    6.48007740 62.80% R11115_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD + 37.20% R11120_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD
    6.80642630 56.00% R10342_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi + 44.00% R11791_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
    6.98570712 51.00% R1223_Cancelleria_1480_AD + 49.00% R11791_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
    7.05625580 59.80% R1223_Cancelleria_1480_AD + 40.20% R11755_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
    7.16423260 51.00% R10342_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi + 49.00% R11749_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
    7.16435650 34.20% R11120_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD + 65.80% R10342_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
    7.31179896 74.00% R10361_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi + 26.00% R11755_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
    7.44542580 21.40% R11111_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD + 78.60% R11115_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD
    7.64394853 66.20% R11115_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD + 33.80% R1225_Cancelleria_1480_AD
    7.65744797 63.00% R11115_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD + 37.00% R1292_Cancelleria_500-1400_AD
    7.70583481 75.60% R10340_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi + 24.40% R11755_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
    7.82959897 78.20% R11115_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD + 21.80% R11119_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD
    7.84187765 71.60% R11115_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD + 28.40% R11117_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD
    7.93917023 62.40% R11115_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD + 37.60% R11755_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
    8.00735851 45.60% R1223_Cancelleria_1480_AD + 54.40% R11749_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
    8.01649251 79.60% R11115_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD + 20.40% R10337_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
    8.12322768 67.20% R11115_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD + 32.80% R1556_Urbino-Bivio_81calCE-220calCE
    8.12486339 23.00% R11120_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD + 77.00% R10361_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi
    8.15268460 76.40% R10361_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi + 23.60% R11790_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
    8.17086633 48.00% R11115_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD + 52.00% R11749_Tunisia_bc-Kerkouene
    8.33195489 66.20% R11115_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD + 33.80% R1291_Cancelleria_500-1400_AD
    8.43367407 67.40% R11115_Isola_Sacra_1AD-400AD + 32.60% R1554_Urbino-Bivio_125calCE-220calCE





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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Thanks Jovialis. R1123 and R1294 have significantly more Steppe in your K8 model there. I get about 20-21% Yamanaya in this model so sort of what thought above, those 2 that are in the C7 cluster had a larger Steppe component relative to me. In addition, some of the samples favor Minoan related and some Anatolian BA. The ones with very high Anatolian BA or none at all can't be modeled as well as the ones with some Minoan related ancestry. Very interesting data there. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Urbino-Bivio and Palazzo della Cancelleria (Rome) of the updated ENA Project PRJEB53564 (deprecated PRJEB52852), ... PRJEB49419 (above) is also included in the: "Population structure in Europe since the Iron Age, despite high mobility".
    (I’m still not confident in the validity of many Isola Sacra bams).
    Code:
    R1223_Cancelleria_1480_AD,8.54,0.57,0,0.32,40.45,37.15,0.62,0.62,0.59,0,11.13,0
    R1225_Cancelleria_1480_AD,9.73,1.57,1.93,0,31.12,10.92,0,0.48,11.42,0.13,32.29,0.42
    R1291_Cancelleria_500-1400_AD,6.83,0,1.75,0,31.64,13.94,0,0,9.50,1.34,34.43,0.58
    R1292_Cancelleria_500-1400_AD,6.32,0.04,4.92,0,30.28,15.96,0,0.91,10.55,0,31.00,0
    R1294_Cancelleria_500-1400_AD,2.14,0,0.61,0,40.29,35.60,0.94,0,2.15,0,16.96,1.31
    R1554_Urbino-Bivio_125calCE-220calCE,3.24,0,4.65,0,28.06,16.02,0,0.33,13.02,0.26,33.78,0.66
    R1555_Urbino-Bivio_81calCE-210calCE,1.68,0,4.39,0,37.83,18.10,0,0.45,9.36,0,28.20,0
    R1556_Urbino-Bivio_81calCE-220calCE,6.65,0.61,3.33,0,32.96,10.05,0,0.64,11.29,0,34.40,0.06
    R1557_Urbino-Bivio_81calCE-220calCE,5.49,0.11,2.54,0,30.85,9.84,0,0,14.67,0,36.50,0
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...973v1.full.pdf
    Thanks, Salento.

    Urbino-Bivio I think are these

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19663175/


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    Dodecad K12b PCA with the samples provided in this thread. The use of a pair of glasses is highly recommended lol.



    Samples used:

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    Code:
    ITA_Pesaro_and_Urbino_Urbino:R1554_AD_173,3.24,0,4.65,0,28.06,16.02,0,0.33,13.02,0.26,33.78,0.66
    ITA_Pesaro_and_Urbino_Urbino:R1555_AD_146,1.68,0,4.39,0,37.83,18.10,0,0.45,9.36,0,28.20,0
    ITA_Pesaro_and_Urbino_Urbino:R1556_AD_151,6.65,0.61,3.33,0,32.96,10.05,0,0.64,11.29,0,34.40,0.06
    ITA_Pesaro_and_Urbino_Urbino:R1557_AD_151,5.49,0.11,2.54,0,30.85,9.84,0,0,14.67,0,36.50,0
    ITA_Rome_Fiumicino:R11109_AD_201,4.95,0,2.12,0,28.31,6.36,0.39,0.02,12.58,0,45.27,0
    ITA_Rome_Fiumicino:R11111_AD_201,16.68,0,2.42,0.39,15.17,0,0,0,24.37,0,40.09,0.88
    ITA_Rome_Fiumicino:R11112_AD_201,8.59,0.16,1.37,0,23.94,4.99,0,0,13.41,0,47.54,0
    ITA_Rome_Fiumicino:R11113_AD_201,7.12,0,1.42,0,24.81,5.10,0,0.20,12.45,0.31,48.14,0.45
    ITA_Rome_Fiumicino:R11115_AD_201,1.89,1.01,2.87,0,51.51,31.73,0,0,2.57,0.59,7.45,0.38
    ITA_Rome_Fiumicino:R11116_AD_201,4.50,0,0.90,1.13,25.51,7.71,0,0,12.98,0,47.28,0
    ITA_Rome_Fiumicino:R11117_AD_201,4.21,0.74,6.54,0,25.31,8.39,0,1.42,18.39,0,34.50,0.50
    ITA_Rome_Fiumicino:R11118_AD_201,0,0,4.11,0.37,65.71,7.88,0,0.03,6.06,0,15.85,0
    ITA_Rome_Fiumicino:R11119_AD_201,13.39,0.52,0.89,0,15.18,5.63,1.05,0,16.28,0.70,45.79,0.58
    ITA_Rome_Fiumicino:R11120_AD_201,5.16,0,8.59,0,29.88,10.30,0,2.37,14.85,1.72,25.40,1.74
    ITA_Rome_Fiumicino:R11121_AD_201,5.87,0,1.35,0,39.31,21.94,1.62,1.07,5.20,0,23.56,0.08
    ITA_Rome_Rome:R1223_AD_1485,8.54,0.57,0,0.32,40.45,37.15,0.62,0.62,0.59,0,11.13,0
    ITA_Rome_Rome:R1225_AD_1485,9.73,1.57,1.93,0,31.12,10.92,0,0.48,11.42,0.13,32.29,0.42
    ITA_Rome_Rome:R1291_AD_950,6.83,0,1.75,0,31.64,13.94,0,0,9.50,1.34,34.43,0.58
    ITA_Rome_Rome:R1292_AD_950,6.32,0.04,4.92,0,30.28,15.96,0,0.91,10.55,0,31.00,0
    ITA_Rome_Rome:R1294_AD_950,2.14,0,0.61,0,40.29,35.60,0.94,0,2.15,0,16.96,1.31
    ITA_Rome_Tolfa:R11102_BC_1846,0,0,0.03,0,48.34,33.89,0,0,3.33,0.03,13.48,0.90
    ITA_Rome_Tolfa:R11104_BC_1769,2.02,0,1.27,0.73,48.52,24.33,0,0,4.65,0,17.94,0.54
    ITA_Rome_Tolfa:R11105_BC_1674,1.58,0.48,0.37,0,51.51,23.78,0,0,5.12,0,16.42,0.73
    ITA_Rome_Tolfa:R11107_BC_1769,0,0,1.27,0,51.48,23.67,0,0,6.23,0.38,16.75,0.22
    ITA_Sassari_Alghero:R11828_BC_1050,0,0,3.77,0,68.53,9.35,0,0.30,6.72,0,11.32,0
    ITA_Sassari_Alghero:R11829_BC_957,0,0,3.81,0.29,68.29,6.22,0,0,6.29,0,15.10,0
    ITA_Sassari_Alghero:R11835_BC_787,0,0,2.92,0.41,68.58,4.55,0,0,6.97,0,16.43,0.14
    ITA_Viterbo_Tarquinia:R10338_BC_378,1.43,0,1.33,1.31,45.54,24.78,0,0,5.23,0,20.20,0.17
    ITA_Viterbo_Tarquinia:R10340_BC_378,3.72,0,0,0,47.09,27.17,0,0.38,3.98,0.96,16.09,0.61
    ITA_Viterbo_Tarquinia:R10342_BC_101,5.36,0.92,2.37,0,44.54,35.11,0,0,0.67,0.29,10.47,0.28
    ITA_Viterbo_Tarquinia:R10343_BC_378,3.53,0,0.89,0.50,42.32,22.36,0,0.20,6.37,0,23.83,0
    ITA_Viterbo_Tarquinia:R10344_BC_648,0,0,1.23,0,46.50,22.77,0,0.45,5.62,0,23.36,0.06
    ITA_Viterbo_Tarquinia:R10359_BC_283,2.99,0.05,0,0.53,50.17,22.59,0,0,5.48,0,17.89,0.30
    ITA_Viterbo_Tarquinia:R10361_BC_378,3.60,0,0.51,0.44,47.07,28.51,0,0,3.73,0.34,15.32,0.48
    ITA_Viterbo_Tarquinia:R10363_BC_298,1.29,0.37,1.15,0.50,45.66,26.89,0.46,0,5.41,0,17.79,0.48
    ITA_Viterbo_Tarquinia_o:R10337_BC_74,8.39,0,4.23,0.02,14.92,0,0,1.82,26.08,0.60,43.93,0.02
    TUN_Nabeul_Hammam_Ghezèze:R11749_BC_583,2.93,0,4.71,0,41.35,15.75,0.45,1.66,10.27,0,22.35,0.52
    TUN_Nabeul_Hammam_Ghezèze:R11755_BC_583,0,0,17.73,0.53,35.75,9.11,0,2.86,11.62,0,21.49,0.91
    TUN_Nabeul_Hammam_Ghezèze:R11776_BC_583,1.64,0,3.57,0.84,35.67,10.95,0.36,0.28,13.35,0.18,33.02,0.16
    TUN_Nabeul_Hammam_Ghezèze:R11780_BC_581,2.13,0,4.17,0.93,33.91,12.31,0,0,12.53,0.11,33.56,0.36
    TUN_Nabeul_Hammam_Ghezèze:R11790_BC_583,0,0,14.84,0.06,42.01,6.16,0.32,1.40,14.37,0,20.07,0.77
    TUN_Nabeul_Hammam_Ghezèze:R11791_BC_576,0.53,0,9.07,0.24,42.62,12.67,1.07,0.86,9.97,0,22.65,0.33
    Code:
    Albanian,4.88,0.29,1.26,0.06,28.96,23.97,0.21,0,8.54,0.29,31.43,0.12
    Albanian_Kosovo,5.18,0.14,0.62,0.17,29.47,27.1,0.23,0.01,8.13,0.26,28.69,0
    Armenian_East,17.31,0.25,0.50,0.04,10.96,6.45,0.37 ,0.01,13.83,0.19,50.02,0.02
    Armenian_West,17.23,0.05,0.79,0.11,12.26,3.33,0.39,0.1,16.05,0.08,49.54,0
    Ashkenazi_Jew,5.09,0.63,3.84,0.35,25.79,13.20,0.38,0.58,14.25,0.80,34.95,0.14
    Assyrian_North,18.39,0.1,1.16,0.16,10.77,2.3,0.67,0.09,19.02,0.11,47.22,0
    Assyrian_South,17.88,0.14,1.52,0.19,10.92,2.02,0.74,0.28,19.27,0.17,46.83,0.02
    Assyrian_West,17.46,0.09,1.42,0.13,11.51,2.31,0.47,0.17,19.11,0.11,47.21,0.02
    Austrian_Tyrol,5.65,0.27,0.89,0.11,35.12,35.70,0.1 5,0,3.63,0.37,18.07,0
    Azerbaijani_Dagestan,23.45,1.87,0.39,1.05,6.93,14.22,1.47,0.11,8.62,2.04,39.75,0.12
    Azerbaijani_Iran,22.15,2.87,0.79,1.01,7.82,8.26,2.88,0.29,12.28,3.02,38.52,0.12
    Azerbaijani_Jew,18.75,0.27,1.41,0.16,10.13,2.3,0.91,0.3,18.88,0.16,46.72,0
    Azerbaijani_Republic,21.57,2.47,0.84,0.55,8.26,9.05,2.17,0.27,11.90,3.04,39.73,0.12
    Azerbaijani_Turkey,20.37,3.02,0.47,0.66,9.25,8.51,2.5,0.09,11.25,3.45,40.27,0.1
    Belgian,7.56,0.17,0.66,0.09,37.35,40.90,0.43,0.10,2.17,0.12,10.34,0.06
    Bosnian,4.81,0.53,0.39,0.12,25.91,42.79,0.74,0.03,4.67,0.07,19.92,0.01
    Bulgarian_Central,5.47,0.62,0.91,0.26,25.87,32.70,0.40,0.04,7.00,0.29,26.44,0.01
    Bulgarian_East,6.08,0.71,1.13,0.22,25.37,30.91,0.30,0.03,7.68,0.26,27.29,0.01
    Bulgarian_Thrace,6.59,0.41,1.68,0,25.45,26.47,0.61,0,8.53,0.25,29.92,0
    Bulgarian_West,5.18,0.64,0.76,0.33,26.50,33.89,0.30,0.02,6.66,0.29,25.42,0.03
    Coptic_Egypt,1.95,0,10.72,0.20,11.82,0,0.03,9.88,31.32,0,33.88,0.18
    Crimean_Tatar_Mountain,11.39,4.28,0.41,1.2,16.94,20.86,0.72,0.08,7.08,3.75,33.27,0.03
    Croat,4.68,0.30,0.43,0.55,27.32,45.25,0.17,0.06,3.41,0.14,17.70,0
    Croat_South,4.59,0.41,0.4,0.31,27.14,43.51,0.31,0.04,4.04,0.11,19.1,0.03
    Czech,5.06,0.50,0.39,0.21,29.22,49.34,0.57,0.03,1.98,0.06,12.58,0.07
    Danish,8.05,0.21,0.12,0.12,35.84,49.66,0.34,0.02,0.25,0.02,5.38,0
    Dutch,7.40,0.19,0.03,0.12,37.25,44.28,0.57,0.27,0.54,0.02,9.09,0.25
    English,8.91,0.26,0.35,0.02,38.59,43.44,0.20,0.08,0.86,0.04,7.16,0.03
    English_North,9.01,0.25,0.27,0.03,38.47,44.34,0.25,0.02,0.65,0.10,6.54,0.02
    English_South,9.09,0.26,0.41,0.14,38.28,43.01,0.24,0.07,0.94,0.04,7.44,0.02
    French_Corsica,4.81,0,3.00,0,39.95,17.76,0.09,0,8.31,0.06,25.99,0.02
    French_North,7.75,0.19,1.29,0.60,38.56,37.37,0.36,0.36,2.56,0.19,10.33,0.42
    French_Northeast,7.49,0.34,1.30,0.10,38.30,37.06,0.11,0.13,3.53,0.20,11.19,0.25
    French_Northwest,9.26,0.20,0.43,0,38.92,42.21,0.34,0.17,0.86,0.14,7.35,0.08
    French_Southwest,5.56,0.16,2.00,0.21,53.12,27.50,0.69,0.12,2.61,0.43,7.54,0.06
    Georgian_Kartli-Kakheti,20.47,0.30,0.25,0.22,6.95,9.18,0.69,0.04,9.40,0.04,52.46,0
    German,7.00,0.40,0.44,0.15,32.35,48.46,0.33,0.13,1.53,0,9.04,0.16
    German_Bavaria,6.87,0.32,0.56,0.11,35.71,39.06,0.15,0,2.40,0.06,14.77,0
    German_Northwest,8.26,0.21,0.30,0.13,35.34,47.17,0.22,0.06,0.83,0.02,7.41,0
    Greek_Athens,5.40,0.38,1.46,0.27,26.85,20.60,0.16,0.13,10.50,0.34,33.64,0.25
    Greek_Cappadocia,11.66,0.41,0.6,0,18.85,6.27,0.13,0,14.23,0.1,47.73,0.02
    Greek_Central,6.57,0.30,1.39,0.15,26.97,20.86,0.01,0.23,10.20,0.24,33.07,0.01
    Greek_Crete,8.29,0.25,2.44,0.02,22.84,13.54,0.36,0.30,13.40,0.07,38.34,0.12
    Greek_Cypriot,8.86,0.14,3.25,0.13,20.88,3.81,0.33,0.37,18.23,0.26,43.72,0
    Greek_Foca,6.56,0.19,1.76,0.18,25.37,18.93,0.21,0.02,10.90,0.32,35.62,0
    Greek_Fournoi,7.48,0,3.19,0,23.67,13.76,0.26,0,13.04,0.99,37.59,0
    Greek_Icaria,5.33,0.76,1.77,0.25,25.46,10.78,0.77,0,13.57,0.11,41.15,0.04
    Greek_Izmir,7.35,0.18,2.22,0.08,24.16,15.48,0.15,0.10,12.00,0.04,38.21,0
    Greek_Kos,8.51,0.10,2.81,0.29,23.06,10.34,0.16,0.07,14.40,0.22,39.98,0.06
    Greek_Lemnos,8.61,0.03,2.25,0,24.94,17.12,0.93,0.09,11.15,0.91,34.30,0
    Greek_Macedonia,5.32,0.31,0.60,0.15,28.27,29.61,0.20,0.00,7.24,0.21,28.12,0.00
    Greek_Peloponnese,6.05,0.17,1.59,0.11,26.09,22.67,1.02,0.06,10.20,0.23,31.76,0
    Greek_Pontus,14.93,0.01,0.41,0.06,12.38,4.19,0.13,0.02,12.78,0.1,54.94,0
    Greek_Rhodes,8.41,0.16,2.72,0.36,23.32,9.44,0.16,0.12,14.41,0.1,40.77,0
    Greek_Thessaloniki,5.04,0.36,1.51,0.19,26.71,25.24,0.48,0.05,8.95,0.21,31.24,0.03
    Greek_Thessaly,5.71,0.39,1.56,0.05,27.83,25.09,0.47,0,8.96,0.13,29.67,0.01
    Greek_Thrace,5.98,0.37,1.30,0.04,27.71,24.67,0.29,0,9.26,0.14,30.21,0.01
    Hemshin,17.03,0.06,0.41,0.2,9.36,4.68,0.37,0.02,11.13,0.02,56.67,0.01
    Hungarian,5.69,1.19,0.59,0.21,28.09,44.65,0.65,0.04,3.31,0.24,15.16,0.02
    Hungarian_Alföld,5.24,1.39,0.63,0.22,28.05,45.73,0.66,0.04,3.19,0.17,14.68,0
    Hungarian_North,5.16,1.31,0.6,0.26,27.34,46.81,0.55,0.01,2.91,0.13,14.93,0
    Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest,6.02,0.85,0.55,0.19,28.36,44.2,0.67,0.06,3.37,0.23,15.2,0.02
    Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely,6.06,2.42,0.62,0.18,27.89,40.32,0.6,0,4.06,0.73,16.94,0.09
    Icelandic,9.57,0.48,0.16,0.06,36.34,47.89,0.29,0,0.15,0.05,5.01,0
    Iranian_Arab,18.52,0.29,2.61,0.21,6.69,3.63,4.18,3.35,23.35,0.45,34.63,1.87
    Iranian_Lur,27.78,1.32,0.8,0.37,6.35,4.08,4.03,0.5,14.64,0.61,39.33,0.2
    Iraqi_Arab,16.56,0.45,2.95,0.27,8.15,3,3.31,3.67,25.43,0.78,33.56,1.82
    Iraqi_Baghdad,18.64,0.77,2.42,0.31,8.82,3.91,3.22,2.3,20.37,0.79,37.64,0.8
    Iraqi_Jew,17.41,0.02,2.54,0.15,10.92,0.51,0.75,0.46,22.23,0.24,44.74,0
    Irish,10.60,0.28,0.05,0.04,39.14,44.43,0.21,0.03,0.08,0.02,5.06,0.01
    Italian_Abruzzo,7.59,0.03,3.23,0.04,29.12,16.1,0,0.08,10.91,0.32,32.6,0
    Italian_Aosta_Valley,5.82,0.06,1.62,0.14,40.65,29.99,0.25,0.05,4.3,0.03,16.98,0.1
    Italian_Apulia,7.38,0.32,2.81,0.34,26.2,17.19,0.27,0.27,11.31,0.41,33.36,0.15
    Italian_Basilicata,8.9,0,3.92,0.1,27.08,14.41,0.67 ,0.62,11.23,0.05,32.98,0.04
    Italian_Calabria,7,0.13,4.18,0.08,27,11.44,0.26,0.6,13.52,0.22,35.45,0.1
    Italian_Campania,7.07,0.09,2.82,0.09,28.91,13.73,0.1,0.33,12.32,0.02,34.34,0.1
    Italian_Emilia,6.13,0,1.15,0.18,37.61,22.76,0.14,0.11,7.4,0.25,24.22,0.06
    Italian_Friuli_VG,5.44,0.28,1.17,0.01,34.92,29.32,0.08,0,7.03,0,21.72,0.02
    Italian_Jew,5.91,0.27,5.61,0.28,26.04,8.53,0.36,1.02,16.51,0.14,35.34,0
    Italian_Lazio,6.73,0,2.67,0.05,31.7,19.82,0.26,0.07,9.79,0.17,28.75,0
    Italian_Liguria,5.1,0.05,2.01,0.09,37.89,23.23,0.25,0.05,7.89,0.05,23.39,0
    Italian_Lombardy,4.75,0.12,1.12,0.04,39.63,25.08,0.17,0.01,6.41,0.03,22.62,0.03
    Italian_Marche,6.42,0.08,2.38,0.05,32.91,18.72,0.29,0.27,9.80,0,29.042,0.03
    Italian_Molise,6.89,0.1,2.32,0,29.31,15.22,0.03,0. 11,12.03,0.10,33.84,0.02
    Italian_Piedmont,5.92,0.13,1.73,0.09,37.82,26.02,0.04,0.04,6.73,0.02,21.37,0.1
    Italian_Romagna,6.08,0,1.87,0.13,34.66,20.98,0.1,0,8.99,0,27.19,0
    Italian_Sicily,7.31,0.48,4.59,0.10,27.22,13.45,0.25,0.65,12.1,0.05,33.16,0.64
    Italian_Trentino,4.79,0.22,0.73,0.04,38.71,29.79,0,0,5.47,0.02,20.22,0
    Italian_Tuscany,6.12,0.05,1.21,0.14,36.89,21.81,0.16,0.06,8.21,0,25.36,0
    Italian_Umbria,5.96,0.10,1.99,0.19,33.10,20.43,0.1 7,0.09,9.25,0.15,28.46,0.06
    Italian_Veneto,5.44,0.04,1.43,0.18,36.93,27.16,0.06,0,5.73,0.15,22.83,0.03
    Jordanian_Christian,8.53,0.12,4.85,0.17,15.1,1.09,0.16,1.73,25.8,0.17,42.28,0
    Jordanian_Muslim,10.35,0.16,5.57,0.26,12.6,1.84,1.1,5.09,25.03,0.41,35.63,1.99
    Kurd_Feyli,27.47,1.12,1.26,0.33,4.98,5.36,3.77,0.34,14.60,0.30,40.12,0.14
    Kurd_Kurmanji,24.19,1.39,1.15,0.18,8.64,7.09,2.59,0.26,13.97,0.62,39.81,0.1
    Kurd_Sorani,26.73,0.81,0.71,0.51,6.50,6.64,3.39,0.24,14.97,0.66,38.80,0.03
    Kurdish_Jew,17.67,0.16,2.3,0.22,10.34,1.04,0.96,0.38,21.72,0.07,45.13,0
    Laz,17.25,0.06,0.17,0.25,9.41,5.05,0.1,0,10.19,0.03,57.48,0
    Lebanese_Christian,11.27,0.10,3.78,0.09,15.50,1.66,0.21,0.84,22.71,0.11,43.72,0.02
    Lebanese_Muslim,12.80,0.40,4.36,0.39,13.11,3.06,1.30,3.46,20.70,0.36,38.62,1.45
    Macedonian_East,4.65,0.39,0.52,0.23,29.07,30.58,0.09,0,7.26,0.40,26.82,0
    Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje,4.54,0.36,0.68,0.21,27.65,31.03,0.08,0.02,7.28,0.21,27.89,0.05
    Macedonian_Polog,5.61,0.27,1.13,0.11,28.51,30.98,0.20,0.02,6.57,0.18,26.39,0
    Macedonian_South,5.06,0.27,1.23,0.11,28.81,28.50,0.23,0.02,8.19,0.17,27.46,0
    Macedonian_Vardar,5.62,0.48,1.26,0.10,29.18,29.02,0.29,0,6.83,0.21,27.02,0
    Mandean,20.14,0.07,2.28,0.11,9.75,0.91,1.65,0.42,20.96,0.19,43.54,0
    Moldovan_Central,5.01,0.95,0.83,0.26,24.94,40.17,0.77,0.00,4.96,0.89,21.17,0.04
    Moldovan_Gagauz,6.83,0.88,1.53,0.42,25.12,30.38,0.77,0.04,6.51,0.36,27.10,0.06
    Moldovan_Jewish,5.42,0.53,4.82,0.79,24.63,13.88,0.12,0.49,14.32,0.28,34.67,0.02
    Moldovan_North,4.43,1.26,0.45,0.50,24.27,43.38,0.39,0.12,4.72,0.48,19.99,0.03
    Moldovan_South,5.28,0.78,1.21,0.58,25.58,36.57,0.21,0.05,5.98,0.45,23.21,0.11
    Montenegrin,4.84,0.61,0.57,0.09,27.95,35.96,0.21,0.02,5.98,0.15,23.62,0.01
    Morocco_Jew,5.41,0.00,9.51,0.00,27.33,4.30,0.50,1.10,17.02,0.00,34.03,0.80
    Norwegian,8.82,0.80,0.08,0.14,35.39,49.07,0.47,0,0.42,0.18,4.58,0.03
    Nusayri_Turkey,12.48,0.49,3.15,0.39,16.16,2.82,0.58,1.16,19.46,0.1,42.95,0.25
    Palestinian,10.56,0.37,5.76,0.15,13.25,1.89,0.65,4.58,24.15,0.45,36.51,1.63
    Palestinian_Christian,9.34,0.06,4.3,0,15.12,1.29,0.25,1.57,25.1,0.09,42.87,0
    Pomak_Bulgaria,5.24,0.47,0.66,0.16,25.26,33.51,0.29,0.01,7.28,0.56,26.51,0.05
    Portuguese,4.73,0.15,6.25,0.11,41.65,25.58,0.29,0.83,5.78,0.19,13.34,1.10
    Romanian_Banat,5.52,0.86,1.09,0.24,27.14,35.66,0.40,0.04,5.46,0.20,23.39,0.01
    Romanian_Crișana,4.71,0.88,1.19,0.21,26.98,38.35,0.63,0.02,4.71,0.46,21.85,0.01
    Romanian_Dobrogea,4.88,0.62,0.54,0.40,25.83,34.90,0.35,0.09,6.34,0.26,25.76,0.04
    Romanian_Maramureș,5.10,0.95,0.57,0.38,26.85,38.59,0.54,0.01,4.89,0.50,21.58,0.03
    Romanian_Muntenia,5.90,1.01,0.62,0.08,26.65,33.68,0.54,0.08,5.59,0.66,25.15,0.02
    Romanian_North_Moldavia,5.20,1.17,0.84,0.39,25.64,40.97,0.79,0.05,4.48,0.39,20.06,0.02
    Romanian_Oltenia,5.11,0.72,0.98,0.35,27.07,34.25,0.36,0.04,6.36,0.48,24.26,0.01
    Romanian_South_Moldavia,5.08,1.32,1.04,0.49,26.76,36.88,0.53,0.02,5.41,0.28,22.17,0.02
    Romanian_Transylvania,5.15,0.96,0.94,0.34,27.28,36.39,0.34,0.03,5.55,0.54,22.47,0.01
    Sardinian,0,0,4.61,0,56.43,7.79,0,0,8.75,0.04,22.34,0
    Scottish,10.19,0.22,0.19,0.12,38.52,44.22,0.22,0.01,0.47,0.03,5.74,0.00
    Sephardic_Jew,5.69,0.20,6.19,0.00,26.47,6.09,0.40,0.70,16.18,0.00,38.06,0.00
    Serb,4.73,0.79,0.53,0.24,27.31,39.08,0.38,0.04,5.13,0.20,21.57,0.01
    Slovenian,4.70,0.44,0.22,0.26,28.92,45.97,0.22,0.06,3.18,0.10,15.90,0
    Spanish_Andalusia,5.70,0.22,4.38,0.16,47.02,24.67,0.40,0.17,4.99,0.10,11.79,0.39
    Spanish_Aragon,5.86,0.08,3.39,0,48.45,25.57,0.34,0.17,3.80,0.08,12.21,0.15
    Spanish_Asturias,6.23,0.04,5.04,0.39,48.59,23.26,0.34,0.66,4.45,0.00,10.52,0.50
    Spanish_Baleares,6.00,0.10,2.70,0.40,43.77,27.09,0.24,0.10,4.74,0.22,15.33,0.33
    Spanish_Basque,6.47,0.14,1.35,0.21,59.28,25.18,0.20,0.04,1.80,0.16,5.12,0.04
    Spanish_Canarias,4.50,0.25,7.93,0.18,39.36,23.46,0.22,1.50,6.70,0.15,13.62,2.12
    Spanish_Cantabria,5.07,0.39,3.00,0.04,48.31,27.20,0,0.53,3.31,0.20,11.75,0.22
    Spanish_Castilla-Leon,5.43,0,4.31,0.20,45.13,25.39,0.22,0.24,5.29,0.13,13.30,0.35
    Spanish_Catalonia,5.43,0.09,2.60,0.10,46.39,27.16,0.46,0.26,4.23,0.09,12.99,0.18
    Spanish_Galicia,5.16,0.29,5.08,0.51,45.34,26.31,0.73,0.54,4.38,0,11.30,0.39
    Spanish_La_Rioja,5.26,0.10,2.62,0,51.23,26.02,0.46,0.11,3.42,0.10,10.5,0.18
    Spanish_Valencia,5.43,0.14,3.66,0.16,46.01,25.63,0.24,0.19,4.93,0.18,13.21,0.23
    Swedish,7.80,0.74,0.05,0.09,34.23,51.06,0.25,0,0.53,0.04,5.19,0
    Swiss_French,6.95,0.19,0.73,0,36.6,35.81,0,0.12,3. 72,0,15.83,0
    Swiss_German,6.87,0.09,0.88,0.05,37.93,37.67,0,0,3 .26,0,13.21,0
    Swiss_Italian,3.9175,0.0825,1.1025,0,39.8525,28.55,0.185,0.0625,5.7975,0,20.45,0
    Syrian_Christian,9.5,0.12,4.55,0.04,15.11,0.57,0.1,1.7,25.65,0.17,42.48,0
    Syrian_Muslim,13.25,0.44,3.56,0.55,11.1,2.94,1.57,3.71,23.82,0.57,36.68,1.81
    Talysh_Azerbaijan,25.5,1.24,0.71,0.32,6.32,7.18,3.21,0.14,12.17,1.2,41.97,0.02
    Tat_Azerbaijan,22.77,2.20,0.47,0.57,6.50,12.60,2.67,0.20,10.89,1.28,39.44,0
    Turk_Ahıska,19.14,0.54,0.45,0.36,8.14,7.90,0.85,0.03,10.34,0.48,51.66,0.04
    Turk_Central_Black_Sea,14.81,5.86,0.58,0.81,11.54,9.37,1.09,0.12,10.34,5.63,39.78,0.02
    Turk_Central_East,15.68,3.8,0.89,0.55,12.23,9.33,1.45,0.16,11.66,3.91,40.18,0.08
    Turk_Central_West,14.48,4.37,0.96,0.53,13.53,10.75,1.35,0.16,11.57,4.52,37.65,0.08
    Turk_Cyprus,8.76,0.58,3.06,0.28,18.92,7.35,0.47,1.77,15.8,1.12,40.51,1.23
    Turk_Deliorman,8.07,3.08,0.62,0.69,21.58,28.74,0.94,0.07,7.05,2.60,26.53,0.06
    Turk_East,18.08,1.73,0.78,0.60,10.65,7.55,1.17,0.08,12.17,1.35,45.75,0.04
    Turk_East_Black_Sea,15.19,0.80,0.39,0.13,11.01,5.28,0.30,0,11.25,1.17,54.42,0
    Turk_Makedonya,6.76,1.79,1.02,0.50,24.44,26.63,0.53,0.26,8.13,1.01,28.81,0.11
    Turk_Northwest,12.88,6.48,1.14,0.79,14.39,14.21,1.13,0.17,9.59,5.55,33.5,0.11
    Turk_South,15.42,5.44,1.11,0.51,11.29,10.08,1.6,0.28,11.37,5.1,37.52,0.23
    Turk_Southeast,18.06,3.07,0.72,0.29,10.83,8.49,2.18,0.88,13.65,3.48,38.12,0.16
    Turk_Southwest,13.7,6.04,1.17,0.56,13.69,12.02,1.33,0.34,10.1,5.8,35.08,0.09
    Turk_Trakya,8.48,3.85,1.04,0.37,21.03,25.64,0.86,0.08,7.83,3.00,27.75,0.03
    Turk_West_Black_Sea,13.21,4.61,0.72,0.81,14.4,12.92,1.24,0.06,10.47,4.49,36.98,0.03
    Turkmen_Iraq,21.88,1.97,1.20,0.49,7.52,5.40,4.10,0.79,16.48,1.12,38.44,0.59
    Udi_Azerbaijan,21.35,0.53,0.31,0.23,9.44,8.73,0.79,0.2,11.62,0.4,46.24,0.16
    Yazidi,26.02,0.82,1.41,0.57,8.32,6.31,2.78,0.76,13.85,0.56,38.55,0.06
    Zaza/Kurd_Turkey,23.89,0.95,0.65,0.24,8.58,7.08,2.11,0.18,13.63,0.68,41.98,0.02
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    Er_Monnezza: So clearly these samples are highly variable. Does this PCA have the samples from the Moots et al 2022 pre-print and the Antonio et al 2022 pre print. If so, are those on the far left corner of the PCA the ancient Tunisians from Carthage (Moots et al. 2022 paper). But as you stated, I think I need a magnifying glass to read it!

    edit to my post, ok I see the samples used in the updated post.

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    Er_Monnezza: So clearly these samples are highly variable. Does this PCA have the samples from the Moots et al 2022 pre-print and the Antonio et al 2022 pre print. If so, are those on the far left corner of the PCA the ancient Tunisians from Carthage (Moots et al. 2022 paper). But as you stated, I think I need a magnifying glass to read it!

    edit to my post, ok I see the samples used in the updated post.
    A good number of the samples from Tunisia are unlikely native north African, could have been a mix. You can also see this from their uniparental markers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    A good number of the samples from Tunisia are unlikely native north African, could have been a mix. You can also see this from their uniparental markers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    A good number of the samples from Tunisia are unlikely native north African, could have been a mix. You can also see this from their uniparental markers.
    Yes the Moots et al 2022 samples were indeed a mix. I went back and looked at it again. Some were local Amazigh related, but only 1 was 100% Amazigh-Berber, the rest of the Carthaginians had local Amazigh-Berber plus Steppe of about 15-20%, some significant EEF ancestry, and plot further North than Modern North Africans. 7 of the ancient Carthage samples plotted near Bronze Age Sicily and Central Italian populations, 1 of those was related to Greek colonies in Iberia (per Figure 4) . So trade links via sea no doubt.

    So yes, many of those ancient Tunisian samples are from Southern Europe.

    Addendum to post. I see Duarte provided Figure 4. Thanks. That clarifies everything really well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    A good number of the samples from Tunisia are unlikely native north African, could have been a mix. You can also see this from their uniparental markers.
    About half are mixed (including one pure North African) and the other half have virtually no North African origin.

    Sample TAFORALT + SSA %
    SIM_Tunisia_Kerkouane_5:R11759___BC_651 44,9
    SIM_Tunisia_Kerkouane_3:R11778___BC_583 16,8
    SIM_Tunisia_Kerkouane_3:R11755___BC_583 14,1
    SIM_Tunisia_Kerkouane_3:R11746___BC_572 14,1
    SIM_Tunisia_Kerkouane_1:R11791___BC_576 7,1
    SIM_Tunisia_Kerkouane_4:R11790___BC_583 6,8
    SIM_Tunisia_Kerkouane_1:R11749___BC_583 5,1
    SIM_Tunisia_Kerkouane_2:R11776___BC_583 1,1
    SIM_Tunisia_Kerkouane_1:R11753___BC_531 0,9
    SIM_Tunisia_Kerkouane_2:R11751___BC_569 0,5
    SIM_Tunisia_Kerkouane_1:R11793___BC_583 0
    SIM_Tunisia_Kerkouane_2:R11780___BC_581 0

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