Source of Hunter Gatherer Ancestry in NW-Euro is of Iberian/Bell Beaker Origin?

[Doggerland]

The K12b results for Balma Gulyana seem to have something to do with Bell Beaker expansion.

Some years ago I read this book: https://www.amazon.com/Bell-Beaker-T.../dp/1782979271
This and many other things I read point to an origin of Bell Beakers in Iberia. Later they mixed with the Corded Ware people and their traditions.

But it seems that the main hunter ancestry source of Northwestern Europeans is not EHG/CHG/Steppe, but Iberia, which is also the birth place of Bell Beaker:

Distance to:
Balma_Guilanya_Azilian

10.38021194
Norwegian

11.78538077
Swedish

11.78538077
Swedish

13.98803775
Icelandic

14.72663913
German

15.19342621
Poland:Warmia-Masuria

15.77513233
Dutch

16.14637111
English:English_North

16.55079152
Sorb_Lusatia

16.90706953
Irish

17.22398908
English:English_mixed

17.62476950
English:English_South

17.97497705
Finnish:Finnish_West

17.98462399
Poland:GreaterPoland

18.53104962
Slovak

19.06476855
Estonian

19.71081429
Poland:Mazovia

19.73375534
Ukrainian

19.95169079
Russian:Smolensk

20.56235881
Russian:Southwest_Rus

20.78167162
Russian:Pskov

20.88905934
Hungarian:Hungarians

20.97809095
Slovenian

21.00545777
Russian:Tver

21.20985413
Russian:Oryol

Distance to:
El-Miron

13.65659181
Swedish

13.65659181
Swedish

13.82563199
Norwegian

15.30813183
Icelandic

15.34152535
German

16.53673789
Poland:Warmia-Masuria

16.98184913
English:English_North

17.01352697
Dutch

17.29274993
Sorb_Lusatia

17.83948149
Irish

17.86505248
English:English_mixed

18.09174397
English:English_South

18.47164584
Slovak

18.50308082
Poland:GreaterPoland

19.99124558
Finnish:Finnish_West

20.08017430
Ukrainian

20.45402894
Estonian

20.47507021
Poland:Mazovia

20.56642896
Slovenian

20.69277671
Russian:Smolensk

20.73292309
Hungarian:Hungarians

21.05896721
Russian:Southwest_Rus

21.42314430
Russian:Ryazan

21.50393082
Russian:Oryol

21.55217405
Russian:Tver

The eastern hunters do not reach the same distances:

Distance to:
CHG_Kotias

19.87305211
Iranian:Mazandaran

21.64158497
Iranian

21.64158497
Iranian:Iranian

21.73291513
Georgian:Svan

21.82699704
Kurd:KAZ

22.83156587
Georgian

23.33840397
Georgian:Imereti

23.49770627
Georgian:Turkey

23.62647032
Georgian:Gurian

23.66068469
Azerbaijani:Azerbaijani_Dagestan

23.73566515
Georgian:Mingrelian

24.20087808
Georgian:Adjara

24.21970685
Iranian:Iranians

26.06803982
Kurd:Kurmanji

27.09594804
Iranian:Fars

27.09873613
Azerbaijani:Azerbaijani_Iran

27.48625838
Kurd:Sorani

27.62617599
Azerbaijani:Azerbaijani_Turkey

28.06964909
Iranian:Khorasan

28.55250952
Avar

28.56370424
Azerbaijani:Azerbaijani

28.63596166
Armenian:East

29.61114993
Azerbaijan_Jews

30.56446793
Armenian:West

30.68993646
Assyrian

Distance to:
CHG_Satsurblia

20.30747892
Iranian:Mazandaran

22.34584749
Iranian

22.34584749
Iranian:Iranian

22.77261294
Kurd:KAZ

24.20791400
Georgian:Svan

24.41738930
Iranian:Iranians

25.00560537
Georgian

25.29908892
Georgian:Turkey

25.43117378
Georgian:Imereti

25.58833523
Azerbaijani:Azerbaijani_Dagestan

25.87891806
Georgian:Adjara

25.95867870
Georgian:Gurian

25.99625550
Georgian:Mingrelian

27.08707810
Kurd:Kurmanji

27.58191618
Iranian:Fars

28.29352930
Azerbaijani:Azerbaijani_Iran

28.31999823
Kurd:Sorani

28.76617284
Iranian:Khorasan

28.97725832
Azerbaijani:Azerbaijani_Turkey

29.84655927
Azerbaijani:Azerbaijani

30.20766128
Armenian:East

30.59077802
Avar

30.69164218
Azerbaijan_Jews

31.77638903
Assyrian

31.79504678
Iranian:Bandari

Distance to:
EHG

17.10731130
Finnish:Finnish

17.97498540
Finnish:FIN30

20.69762064
Lithuanian:Lithuanians

22.59035414
Lithuanian:Lithuanian

23.44444924
Finnish:Finnish_East

25.02773062
Latvian

26.82614583
Mordovian

26.84466427
Russian:Pinega

27.20518701
Lithuanian:Lithuanian

27.67686218
Belorussian

28.26267326
Russian:North_Dvina

29.69398424
Estonian

29.94961602
Finnish:Finnish_West

30.34209388
Russian:Pskov

30.77019355
Russian:Kostroma

31.84661923
Russian:Tver

32.72048135
Russian:Southwest_Rus

34.43307060
Russian:Smolensk

34.60625350
Russian:Kursk

34.66899574
Russian:Ryazan

35.07209164
Russian:Oryol

35.09233232
Russian:Voronoezh

35.98626544
Poland:Mazovia

37.80037169
Poland:Warmia-Masuria

37.85692803
Ukrainian

Distance to Bronze Age populations:

Distance to:
Balma_Guilanya_Azilian

8.84933896
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)

12.23490907
EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)

13.23129623
Bell_Beaker_Central_Europe

15.07378519
Late_Neolithic_Denmark

15.18393230
Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)

15.72884929
Battle_Axe

15.80107275
Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28)

15.83958964
Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)

16.26823592
Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)

16.29002762
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24)

16.51933413
Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)

16.54916614
Bell_Beaker_Britain

16.97501105
Unetice

17.91365959
MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)

18.33529383
Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)

19.64651369
MBA_Tumulus_culture_(n=4)

19.85503211
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)

19.86880469
Single_Grave

19.93652427
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)

20.22361738
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)

20.37091063
EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18)

21.15447234
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)

21.28122177
Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17)

22.83414548
Andronovo

23.68914730
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)

It is more likely the HG source of Battle Axe and Nordic Bronze Age than Yamnaya:

Distance to:
Yamna_culture_(n=16)

1.59458459
EMBA_Catacomb_culture_(n=4)

4.76222637
Yamnaya1

6.16265365
Afanasievo

6.78256589
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=7)

6.88217262
EMBA_Poltavka_culture_(n=8)

10.90790081
Yamnaya2

10.92245394
Catacomb

17.70687720
Kumsay

18.72680432
Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=14)

18.98323998
Corded_Ware_Baltic

19.51101996
LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)

21.16936938
MBA_Andronovo_culture_(n=3)

21.53535697
Srubnaya

22.01081552
Andronovo

23.20307307
Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17)

24.52849771
EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18)

25.93362104
Cimmerian

28.40209499
MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)

30.87478259
Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)

31.94160140
Battle_Axe

31.98817750
Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)

32.03845190
LBA_Karasuk_culture_(n=7)

32.47074222
Bell_Beaker_Britain

32.67875151
Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12)

33.28388499
Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)

Distance to:
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)

8.84933896
Balma_Guilanya_Azilian

9.78121669
Mesolithic_Italy

10.73705732
Mesolithic_Spain

12.32790736
El-Miron

12.88548020
Villabruna

13.87024513
Magdalenian

14.11271413
Mesolithic_France

14.37094291
La-Brana

14.92884121
Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)

15.15806386
Grotte_du_Bichon

17.00790992
Pitted_Ware

17.99033074
Mesolithic_Ireland

20.08320692
Loschbour

21.22388042
Gravettian_Krems

22.35942978
Ertebölle

23.54851163
Mesolithic_Germany

23.83943372
Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43)

26.00003077
Iron_Gates_HG

31.64883726
Pestera_Muierii

33.90667633
Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31)

34.67127630
Cheddar_Man

34.78944811
Sunghir

34.90166042
Kostenki

35.61992280
Latvia_HG

36.25283299
Goyet

Here is the paper about them: https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...19301459#bib33


Any Hobby Experts who can say something about that? How do Steppe-Promoters explain this?

[Tomenable]

These distances are atrociously high.

[Northener]

IMO it is the HG factor, also part of the Bell Beaker. May be as a result of SGC mixing with neolithic populations.....

If BB was the 'transmitter' Sweden would not be so high....but the Dutch/Germans.

My distance to mesolithic Spain is also in the 13. just like the Swedes, but that's more due to relative higher HG compared to Dutch average.

[MOESAN]

distances are distances, they don't say eveything about admixture, about what makes themselves!
You could be at the same distance as another pop but in the opposite side relative to the reference pop.
Western Europe BA pops were not Yamnalike but only had a strong Yamnalike component, and the WHG component was strong in northern Europe, even in some Baltic regions, far to be dominantly EHG, and since before the BB phenomenon whose Iberian elements I don't deny totally.