Tribes of Sarmatia Europea & eastern Germania Magna their suggested linguistic stocks

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Tribes of Sarmatia Europea & eastern Germania Magna their suggested linguistic stocks

Map of tribes (note that locations of tribes along the edges of Sarmatia Europea are more certain, while these deep inland are less certain):

List of tribes from the map:

1. Acibi
2. Agathyrsi
3. Alauni
4. Amadoci
5. Amaxobii
6. Anartophracti
7. Aorsi
8. Arsietae
9. Vandili Avarini
10. Bastarnae
11. Biessi
12. Bodini/Budinoi
13. Borusci/Borouskoi
14. Vandili Burgiones
15. Carbones/Carvones
16. Careotae
17. Cariones/Caroni
18. Carpiani
19. Chuni/Khounoi
20. Coestoboci
21. Exobygitae
22. Finni/Phinnoi
23. Galindae
24. Gelones
25. Gevini
26. Guthones/Gythones
27. Hippopodes
28. Iazyges
29. Idrae
30. Igylliones
31. Melanchlaeni
32. Nasci
33. Neuri/Navari
34. Ombrones
35. Ophlones
36. Osili
37. Ossi
38. Pagyritae
39. Peucini
40. Vandili Phrungundiones/Frugundiones
41. Piengitae
42. Rheucanali
43. Rhoxolani
44. Saboci
45. Sali
46. Sargati
47. Savari
48. Alani Scythae
49. Stavani/Stavanoi
50. Sturni
51. Sudini
52. Boulanes/Soulones/Boutones
53. Alani Tanaitae
54. Transmontani
55. Tauroscythae
56. Tigri/Tagru
57. Toreccadae
58. Tyrangitae
59. Veltae
60. Venedae/Vistula Veneti
61. Vibiones
62. Aestii/Aestiorum Gentes
63. Buri
64. Cotini/Kotini/Gotini
65. Scythae Aroteres
66. Scythae Borystheneitae
67. Tauri
A. Lugii/Lugiones
B. Lugi Diduni
C. Lugi Omani
D. Manimi
E. Helisii (name related to Kalisia)
F. Helvecones
G. Harii
H. Zumoi
I. Mugilones
J. Vandili Silingi
K. Nahanarvali
L. Vandili Burgundi/Burgodiones
M. Elvaiones
N. Sidini
O. Ulmerugii
P. Rugii/Rugiclei
Q. Lemovii
R. Hirii
S. Sciri
T. Gepidae
U. Semnones
V. Vandili Varinnae/Varini/Charini
W. Farodini

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Tribes and their suggested linguistic stocks:

1. Acibi - Balto-Slavic-related
2. Agathyrsi - Daco-Thracian-related with Iranic influence
3. Alauni - Iranic-related (Alans)
4. Amadoci - Balto-Slavic-related
5. Amaxobii - Iranic-related
6. Anartophracti - Celtic-related (literally: "fraction of Anartes")
7. Aorsi - Iranic-related
8. Arsietae - Daco-Thracian-related
9. Vandili Avarini - Vandalic Germanic-related
10. Bastarnae - East Germanic-related (in confederation with Peucini)
11. Biessi - Daco-Thracian-related
12. Bodini/Budinoi - Finno-Permic-related (ancestors of Meshchera etc.)
13. Borusci/Borouskoi - Balto-Slavic-related
14. Vandili Burgiones - Vandalic Germanic-related
15. Carbones/Carvones - Finno-Permic-related (in Estonia)
16. Careotae - Balto-Slavic-related (Curonians)
17. Cariones/Caroni - Iranic-related
18. Carpiani - Daco-Thracian-related
19. Chuni/Khounoi - Iranic-related (or Hunnic?)
20. Coestoboci - Daco-Thracian-related
21. Exobygitae - Iranic-related
22. Finni/Phinnoi - Finno-Permic-related
23. Galindae - Balto-Slavic-related (Galindians)
24. Gelones - Balto-Slavic-related with Greek influence (lived near Bilsk - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Bilsk_Hill_Fort)
25. Gevini - Balto-Slavic-related
26. Guthones/Gythones - Gothic Germanic-related
27. Hippopodes - Finno-Permic-related
28. Iazyges - Iranic-related
29. Idrae - Balto-Slavic-related
30. Igylliones - Daco-Thracian-related
31. Melanchlaeni - Finno-Permic-related
32. Nasci - Balto-Slavic-related
33. Neuri/Navari - Balto-Slavic-related (to the north-west of Scythians)
34. Ombrones - Celtic-related
35. Ophlones - Iranic-related
36. Osili - Iranic-related
37. Ossi - Finno-Permic-related (in Livonia)
38. Pagyritae - Balto-Slavic-related
39. Peucini - Celtic-related (in confederation with Bastarnae)
40. Vandili Phrungundiones/Frugundiones - Vandalic Germanic-related
41. Piengitae - Daco-Thracian-related
42. Rheucanali - Iranic-related
43. Rhoxolani - Iranic-related
44. Saboci - Daco-Thracian-related
45. Sali - Balto-Slavic-related (Selonians)
46. Sargati - Iranic-related
47. Savari - Balto-Slavic-related (Severians - I placed them in Severia)
48. Alani Scythae - Iranic-related (Scythians / Sarmatians)
49. Stavani/Stavanoi - Balto-Slavic-related
50. Sturni - Iranic-related
51. Sudini - Balto-Slavic-related (Sudovians)
52. Boulanes/Soulones/Boutones - Balto-Slavic-related (Polans / Goplans)
53. Alani Tanaitae - Iranic-related (Alans near Tanais)
54. Transmontani - Celtic-related (most probably)
55. Tauroscythae - Iranic-related
56. Tigri/Tagru - Iranic-related with Daco-Thracian influence
57. Toreccadae - Iranic-related
58. Tyrangitae - Daco-Thracian-related (Getae at the Dniester)
59. Veltae - Balto-Slavic-related
60. Venedae/Vistula Veneti - Balto-Slavic-related
61. Vibiones - Balto-Slavic-related
62. Aestii/Aestiorum Gentes - Balto-Slavic-related
63. Buri - Daco-Thracian-related (related to another Buri in Dacia "Proper")
64. Cotini/Kotini/Gotini - Celtic-related
65. Scythae Aroteres - Balto-Slavic-related with Iranic influence (Scythian Ploughmen)
66. Scythae Borystheneitae - Balto-Slavic-related with Iranic influence (Scythian Farmers)
67. Tauri - probably language isolate
A. Lugii/Lugiones - Celtic-related (Celtic ethnonym + Celtic archeology area)
B. Lugi Diduni - Celtic-related (Celtic ethnonym + Celtic archeology area)
C. Lugi Omani - Celtic-related (Celtic ethnonym + Celtic archeology area)
D. Manimi - probably East Germanic-related
E. Helisii (name related to Kalisia) - Balto-Slavic-related
F. Helvecones - Celtic-related (Celtic ethnonym + Celtic archeology area)
G. Harii - Celtic-related (Celtic ethnonym + Celtic archeology area)
H. Zumoi - possibly Balto-Slavic-related
I. Mugilones - Celtic-related
J. Vandili Silingi - Vandalic Germanic-related
K. Nahanarvali - Celtic-related with Germanic influence
L. Vandili Burgundi/Burgodiones - Vandalic Germanic-related
M. Elvaiones - East Germanic-related
N. Sidini - East Germanic-related
O. Ulmerugii - East Germanic-related (name means: "Insular Rugii")
P. Rugii/Rugiclei - East Germanic-related
Q. Lemovii - East Germanic-related
R. Hirii - East Germanic-related
S. Sciri - East Germanic-related
T. Gepidae - East Germanic-related
U. Semnones - Irminonic Germanic-related
V. Vandili Varinnae/Varini/Charini - Vandalic Germanic-related
W. Farodini - Irminonic Germanic-related

Second map with tribes coloured based on their presumed linguistic stock:

Blue = Daco-Thracian-related
Green = Germanic-related
Purple = Celtic-related
Yellow = Iranic-related
Red = Balto-Slavic-related
Black = Finno-Permic-related

Red line = border of European Sarmatia and border of Germania Magna

There can be mentioned also Suovenoi who are usually placed in Sarmatia Asiatica to the east of the Volga.

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If someone disagrees with my locations of tribes - then you can post your own idea:

Here is a blank map with just Sarmatia Europea and Germania Magna borders (red):

 

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If you compare the area I painted as Balto-Slavic-related to the area which had once been Trzciniec Culture you will see a lot of overlap (of course this map of tribes shows the situation centuries after the end of Trzciniec culture, but I'm talking about the overlap of geography).

 

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I'm adding a map of available aDNA samples dated to 1000 BC - 650 AD (three colours for 1000-1 BC, 1-300 AD, 300-650 AD):

This map is incomplete (some of the available samples are missing from it) but most samples are includded, so it gives an idea:

 

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I don't think the Celtic wedge(K, G, F) into central Poland is probable. Celtic intrusion was limited to Silesia.

 

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I don't think the Celtic wedge(K, G, F) into central Poland is probable. Celtic intrusion was limited to Silesia.

There is actually some Celtic archaeology in this region, I assigned the tribes like this:

And the name Nahanarvali apparently also has a Celtic etymology.

 

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Sources which talk about the Venedae / Vistula Veneti (the East-Central / Eastern European ones) after year 1 AD* listed chronologically:

50-100 AD:

Pliny, Naturalis Historia, IV, 97 - Venedae
Tacitus, Germania, 46 - Venethi / Veneti

100-200 AD:

Ptolemy, Geographike, III 5 - Ouenedai

200-250 AD:

Hippolytus of Rome, Chronicon

300-400 AD:

Tabula Peutingeriana, segment VIII - Venadi sarmatae (north of the Carpathians & south of the Baltic Sea) and Venedi (north of the Danube)
Marcianus Heracleensis, Periplus Maris Extern?, II 39

500-550 AD:

Jordanes, Getica, 34-36, 119, 246-247 (his work is largely based on Cassiodorus, Historia Gothorum)

600-650 AD:

Fredegarius, Chronicon - https://www.thelatinlibrary.com/fredegarius.html - e.g. this excerpt: "Sclavos, cognomento Winidos / Winedos"
Monk Jonas, Life of St. Columban - https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/basis/columban.asp - "land of the Wends, who are also called Slavs"

850-900 AD:

Alfred the Great's translation of Orosius' Chorography

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*I added "after 1 AD" because there are a few sources which perhaps refer to the East European Venedi from BC times, but this is uncertain.

 

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Such a curiosity, a German author - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Andree - wrote in his 1831 book:

https://books.google.pl/books?id=xgUEAAAAYAAJ&pg=P219

"Since times immemorial Slavs inhabited the lands between the Baltic Sea [Ostsee] and the Black Sea"

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So it looks like he supported the idea that the Venethi mentioned by Tacitus (Germania, 46) were Slavs.

 

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Such a curiosity, a German author - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Andree - wrote in his 1831 book:

https://books.google.pl/books?id=xgUEAAAAYAAJ&pg=P219

"Since times immemorial Slavs inhabited the lands between the Baltic Sea [Ostsee] and the Black Sea"

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So it looks like he supported the idea that the Venethi mentioned by Tacitus (Germania, 46) were Slavs.

but linguistic studies show they had Finnic origins .........same as their southern neighbours the Phinnoi