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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    That's why they being found in Viminacium and Tisza-Transtisza Pannonia?
    But a large portion will have been around Greece and Albania indeed, since the LBA-EIA.
    That's my best bet, because otherwise the bulk came late.
    Are they ancestral branches? Most of those branches were dead ends.

    All EV-13, J2B2-L283, R1b, but dead end branches.

    We've gone through Croatia, Montenegro, Serbia, even all the way to Hungary. Unless there is another country there. Sokovia maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by enter_tain View Post
    Are they ancestral branches? Most of those branches were dead ends.

    All EV-13, J2B2-L283, R1b, but dead end branches.

    We've gone through Croatia, Montenegro, Serbia, even all the way to Hungary. Unless there is another country there. Sokovia maybe?
    From Viminacium we don't have that many, but from Avar Hungary we have from the Tisza/Transtisza area the same lineages which can be found in West-North China and also people like the Armenians. This points to a steppe connection and strong position in Pannonia-Carpathains-Western steppe, from which they spread in different directions.

    This is especially true for E-Z5018: E-S2979 (especially E-L241, E-FGC11457) and E-Z5017.

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    E-V13 is a very interesting line that sparkled my interest too and I have made some posts about it. But you guys are borderline obsessed with it. It's just too much.
    It's not like you are curing cancer or something. Open a discord or something stop derailing numerous threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihype02 View Post
    E-V13 is a very interesting line that sparkled my interest too and I have made some posts about it. But you guys are borderline obsessed with it. It's just too much.
    It's not like you are curing cancer or something. Open a discord or something stop derailing numerous threads.
    Arapi ta hapi zhapini ta shtini.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Arapi ta hapi zhapini ta shtini.

    I think that there are two recent opened threads (one by you) about E-V13 you can continue there.

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    Edited by Angela,

    I had missed this post. I will not tolerate this kind of language from anyone, of any group.

    Cut it out or else get out.
    Last edited by Angela; 23-06-22 at 02:43.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    I see that you never even wrote a single post in this thread and sneak around to have an opportunity to throw poison. This is the second/third time which you are doing, and probably just to gain the attention of Italian admins whom you suck around quite often. I never put any word on your stupid, dumbed-down and repetitive autosomal analysis of Dodecad12(Imperial Roman, Minoan-like, Mycenaean-like) or whatsoever, i simply ignore it.

    In the end, palo pidhin, si thojne Kosovart mos u ban Franquz se nuk je ku me dijt se kushi.
    I open a thread to actually read through it and see you and your autistic buddies spamming this forum every 2 mins and getting into serious fights/breakdown over a halpogroup.

    Aren't most of you all banned for the same topic in the Anthrogenica? I am sure many others are tempted to say it too but just don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihype02 View Post
    I open a thread to actually read through it and see you and your autistic buddies spamming this forum every 2 mins and getting into serious fights/breakdown over a halpogroup.
    Aren't most of you all banned for the same topic in the Anthrogenica? I am sure many others are tempted to say it too but just don't.
    The funny thing is, Perhaps you can PM them telling them how different you are from the rest of us.

    A lot of people have brought Y-DNA results in the thread, various one, it's very suspiciously idiotic for you to jump right into this moment.

    Ed. by Angela.

    If you don't like this site and its moderators you know what you can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    The funny thing is, all of this bullshit you have just written is just a facade, now pick a thread and go asslick the Italian moderators. Perhaps you can PM them telling them how different you are from the rest of us.

    A lot of people have brought Y-DNA results in the thread, various one, it's very suspiciously idiotic for you to jump right into this moment.
    I am not trying to suck up to anyone. You need to stop dumping those lame and personal arguments. You know nothing about me I am the total opposite of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    Can you show me a link? On FTDNA, surnames are often incorrectly reported if they are ancestors of Italians who migrated abroad.
    I am the guy from Foggia

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    this posted by rafc from anthrogenica:

    An additional update from the authors, apparently it was not possible to get the problems with mixups resolved, so the data will be migrated to two new projects:
    Mapped reads: https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB53564
    Raw reads: https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB53565

    The data is in the process of validation, and should be available soon (this week if nothing goes wrong with the validation).


    p.s
    my cent i don't think it will effect the results which we already have
    only will be more
    easy to identify each ancient individual
    ancestery :
    mostly western jewish here is the overlapp with south europe[U]

    "Know where you came from and where you are going."

    Direct paternal line : mizrahi from damascus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Perhaps you can PM them telling them how different you are from the rest of us.

    A lot of people have brought Y-DNA results in the thread, various one, it's very suspiciously idiotic for you to jump right into this moment.
    Keep a civil tongue in your head or you're going bye-bye. Last warning.

    Edited by me for decency's sake. Some people seem to think this is some seedy bar where they can spout profanities as and if they choose. Well, it's not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Keep a civil tongue in your head or you're going bye-bye. Last warning.

    Edited by me for decency's sake. Some people seem to think this is some seedy bar where they can spout profanities as and if they choose. Well, it's not.
    Can you check their country flag too please? Kosovo is an independent country and there’s no need for them to put Albania and confuse everyone else.

    Other members here think we argue “among ourselves” but we are two separate groups with separate mentalities, allegiances, and identity.

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    Originally Posted by G-Man
    Files are already available


    rafc anthrogenica : Will have a look at some of the missing Balkans samples.

    R6750, Viminacium, 148AD, https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-A427/
    R6756, Viminacium, 180AD, https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY5022/
    R3743, Zadar Ulica, 146AD, https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-BY22478/ (breaking this segment, I think)
    R3744, Zadar Ulica, 146AD,https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-P312/


    rafc anthrogenica : The last of the missing Balkans samples:

    R3543, Gardun, 516AD, https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z38241/

    I also downloaded R6764, which was previously reported based on Fastq.
    The results were identical.
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    R2040 Sisak-Pogorelec, Croatia 245-402 calCE: J2b-L283>>>CTS190>CTS473 (CTS473?)

    R3543
    Gardun (Tilurium), Croatia 431-600.5 calCE: J2b-L283>>Z38240>Z38241>FT103684>FTA60432>FTA61140 (<->Y268072)

    R3544
    Gardun (Tilurium), Croatia 550-601 calCE: J2b-L283>>Z631>Z1043>>FT212328+(xY146109)


    R3481
    Doclea, Montenegro 211-320.5 calCE: J2b-L283>>Z631>Z1043


    R9918
    Doclea, Montenegro 996.5-1150.5 calCE: J2b-L283>>>CTS6190


    R9669
    Viminacium, Serbia 129.5-310.5 calCE: J2b-L283>>Z1295>Y21878>CTS11100>CTS8364 (xBY37860)


    R6693
    Svilos/Krusevlje, Serbia 236-332 calCE: J2b-L283>Z600 (J-Z585<?<J-Z2507)

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    I want to congratulate my friend principe
    It turn by pribislav anlaysis that
    R11109 individual belong to j-y15245 ( this principe branch )
    that is so cool




    R11109; 1-400 AD; Isola_Sacra, Italy; J2a-M67>Y4036>Z467>L210>Y4034>Z482>Y15222>Y15245 (xFT178189,Z30390,FT360326,FT70962)

    Source paper:

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...05.15.491973v1

    p.s
    Maybe it will be uploaded to yfull soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    Originally Posted by G-Man
    Files are already available


    rafc anthrogenica : Will have a look at some of the missing Balkans samples.

    R6750, Viminacium, 148AD, https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-A427/
    R6756, Viminacium, 180AD, https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY5022/
    R3743, Zadar Ulica, 146AD, https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-BY22478/ (breaking this segment, I think)
    R3744, Zadar Ulica, 146AD,https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-P312/


    rafc anthrogenica : The last of the missing Balkans samples:

    R3543, Gardun, 516AD, https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z38241/

    I also downloaded R6764, which was previously reported based on Fastq.
    The results were identical.
    E-BY5022 really looks like a Southern branch which being well-represented in the Sea Peoples/East Mediterranean sphere:
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY5022/

    Wouldn't wonder if it was among the Philistines for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    E-BY5022 really looks like a Southern branch which being well-represented in the Sea Peoples/East Mediterranean sphere:
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY5022/

    Wouldn't wonder if it was among the Philistines for example.

    could be but how did it reach belgium and sweden ?
    maybe spread with roman soldiers or in the late bronze age/early iron age from other areas in europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    could be but how did it reach belgium and sweden ?
    maybe spread with roman soldiers or in the late bronze age/early iron age from other areas in europe
    Decisive is always the TMRCA. If there is no overlap and the age is between LBA-MIA, it likely spread with Urnfield, Hallstatt, La Tene and Germanic back migration.

    E.g.:
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY35789/

    This British branch is old enough for Channelled Ware (1.200-1.000 BC), but could be later too. We don't know, without more samples.

    The Channelled Ware people seem to have split into settler groups not based on patrilineages, but rather males of different patrilineages joined an enterprise. This is why even branches with a strong focus can appear elsewhere independently.

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    Originally Posted by Trojet

    R10654, 258.5 - 407 calCE, Klosterneuburg, Austria: https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-FGC5185/

    R10656, 26 - 407 calCE, Klosterneuburg, Austria: https://www.yfull.com/tree/r-df13/

    R10657, 26 - 126 calCE, Klosterneuburg, Austria: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-DF88/

    R10659, 26 - 126 calCE, Klosterneuburg, Austria: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S264/

    *Did not check downstream those levels.

    p.s

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klosterneuburg

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    ^^ I hope the G25 coordinates for the four Klosterneuburg folks above doesn't take too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by expelliarmus View Post
    ^^ I hope the G25 coordinates for the four Klosterneuburg folks above doesn't take too long.

    maybe davidski knows
    as he is the man who usually
    do this stuff
    https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/

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    interesting some were uploaded
    source:
    (from serbian dna forum) :

    R9673
    https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/R-Y88926/

    R6759
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP578/

    :R11536
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y16419/

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    I wish I could persuade yfull to not skip so many DF19>DF88s:
    They skipped Martiniano's Driffield/Roman Britain paper 6DT23, all three Patterson paper Bronze Age DF19>DF88s (but they do have the DF19>Z302 one from Olalde), and so far missing Klosterneuburg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musashi View Post
    I am the guy from Foggia
    Nice, thanks for letting know.

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