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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    maybe davidski knows
    as he is the man who usually
    do this stuff
    https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/
    Several samples from this study have already been included among those available in the MTA database, like the ones that appear to me among my top 125. Soon it will be very likely that they will be available on other genealogy sites, I believe.

    2. Late Roman Era Miroico Portugal
    420 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.675 - R10506
    10. Dark Ages Palazzo della Cancelleria Italy
    465 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.778 - R1223
    22. Medieval Monte da Nora Portugal
    780 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.4 - R10494
    57. Late Roman Era Miroico Portugal
    340 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.48 - R10508
    62. Migration Era Grave Hassleben Thuringia Germany
    450 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.62 - R11873
    93. Imperial Rome Urbino Bivio
    221 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.27 - R1556
    96. Imperial Rome Urbino Bivio
    221 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.29 - R1557
    105. Elite Female Grave Hassleben Thuringia Germany
    450 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.42 - R11867
    108. Imperial Roman Era Isola Sacra
    200 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.45 - R11121
    121. Byzantine Era Chhim Lebanon
    550 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.7 - R3476

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    Quote Originally Posted by mount123 View Post
    R2040 Sisak-Pogorelec, Croatia 245-402 calCE: J2b-L283>>>CTS190>CTS473 (CTS473?)

    R3543
    Gardun (Tilurium), Croatia 431-600.5 calCE: J2b-L283>>Z38240>Z38241>FT103684>FTA60432>FTA61140 (<->Y268072)

    R3544
    Gardun (Tilurium), Croatia 550-601 calCE: J2b-L283>>Z631>Z1043>>FT212328+(xY146109)


    R3481
    Doclea, Montenegro 211-320.5 calCE: J2b-L283>>Z631>Z1043


    R9918
    Doclea, Montenegro 996.5-1150.5 calCE: J2b-L283>>>CTS6190


    R9669
    Viminacium, Serbia 129.5-310.5 calCE: J2b-L283>>Z1295>Y21878>CTS11100>CTS8364 (xBY37860)


    R6693
    Svilos/Krusevlje, Serbia 236-332 calCE: J2b-L283>Z600 (J-Z585<?<J-Z2507)
    Wondering if any of these will be uploaded to Yfull or are in the process of being uploaded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    I want to congratulate my friend principe
    It turn by pribislav anlaysis that
    R11109 individual belong to j-y15245 ( this principe branch )
    that is so cool




    R11109; 1-400 AD; Isola_Sacra, Italy; J2a-M67>Y4036>Z467>L210>Y4034>Z482>Y15222>Y15245 (xFT178189,Z30390,FT360326,FT70962)

    Source paper:

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...05.15.491973v1

    p.s
    Maybe it will be uploaded to yfull soon


    i hope azurro / principe reading this
    i asked theytree to upload this ancient roman brother of yours
    to there tree

    https://www.theytree.com/tree/J-Y15222

    https://www.theytree.com/usersample/...eda683a65.html
    Direct paternal line : mizrahi from damascus
    Ftdna path
    E-M96>CTS9083>P147>P177>M215>M35>Z827>CTS10298>PF196 2>M123>M34>L795>S11835>S12033>S11956>S11168>S10483 >BY96055

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    If he was buried at Isola Sacra he may very well not have been a local.


    Non si fa il proprio dovere perchè qualcuno ci dica grazie, lo si fa per principio, per se stessi, per la propria dignità. Oriana Fallaci

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Yeah yeah, that's your wishful thinking, and propaganda machine, E-V13 were a minority lineage in Western Balkans and they spread it from there everywhere, collect all E-V13 put it in a place where it suits your worldview, you can go and sell this cheap-thrills somewhere else.

    In Kosova actually i suspect there is far more E-V13 L241(Gashi, the real Gashi the Bardhis (Bardhi tribe seems to have been quite in a good position during Ottoman Empire) and the Shipshani who latter joined them, Kuqi, Thaqi) than FGC33621 whose presence can be equally attributed to the Sopi tribe who had far better early advantage with Ottoman Empire than the Berishas who actually were resisting the Ottoman Empire, such as when they went to war with the Beylerbeyler of Rumelia/Balkans, the Begoll of Peja who was a Gash-Bardh (E-V13 -> L241).

    The Daco-Thracians were far more in number than Illyrians in antiquity. The Eastern Urnfielders/Eastern Hallstatt left a legacy in a lot of Paleo-Balkan people of classical antiquity, some more (Daco-Thracians, Classical Greeks, Dardanians, Enchelei and perhaps Southern Illyrians) some less (Illyrians on general).

    Gashi tribe actually resisted the Ottomans as did most Albanian tribes who were Catholics in 1690 and were expelled out of their homes by the Ottomans in revenge. Mainly Kosovo that was Muslim back then and even they joined the revolt on the Austrian side. Gashi have tested for E-V13 as have many Krasniqi, Kelmendi (who also resisted the Ottomans) , some people moved in for ''superior status'' around 1700's-1800's or whatever. E-V13 there cannot be attributed only to Berisha. Kuqi is part of Berisha , they are Berisha e kuqe.

    Anyway, his claim about E-V13 being only 20%-30% outside Kosovo holds no ground, it's more or less 30% in Kosovo too. In Albania it reaches high frequency in some regions.

    I say this Y-DNA will be found more in the Western Balkans in the next studies , if there will be any. That it hasn't been found in medieval Albania or post medieval obviously tells me something is not accurate so far.

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    Albanoi, please stop derailing threads. Take discussions about E-V13 and Albanians to the appropriate threads or there will be consequences.

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    oops wrong thread.

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    g25 values of the ancients from this paper work of davidski
    posted by ajeje in anthrogenica ( er monanzza who was member here)

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  9. #359
    Regular Member kingjohn's Avatar
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    Interesting sample from this paper:
    ITA_Palazzo_della_Cancelleria:R1292___AD_950
    I thought he will be e-m123*
    He ended in interesting branch
    E-y46710

    https://www.theytree.com/sample/54dd...8bbbe51f7.html

    https://www.theytree.com/tree/E-Y46710

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    Has anyone done an analysis on this study’s North African samples? Some AG poster claimed that modern North Africans are indistinguishable from these guys, and that West SSA admixture has been present since the Copper-Iron Ages. My understanding is that Imperial Roman and Iron Age North Africans can be best modeled as a mixture of Taforalt/Iberomaurusians, Early Moroccan Farmers/Late Moroccan Farmers, Iran_N/CHG, Levant_N, and Steppe, with additional gene flow from Southern Europe and Western Asia.

  11. #361
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    As usual, they don't know what they're talking about. The SSA percentages in NA are "at least" double in modern Egyptians, and often more. Look up the papers, and then tell them to look up the papers too, and READ them.

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