Why are his models fake by the way?From Bruzmi @ Anthrogenica
I don't like quoting that dude and his fake ass models, but this is raw data.
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Why are his models fake by the way?From Bruzmi @ Anthrogenica
I don't like quoting that dude and his fake ass models, but this is raw data.
Southern Illyrians more southern shifted. Gee who would've thought. This is too easy lmfao. I feel bad for these dudes who want to make historical fanfic
Depending on the dates of these samples, we need to add
(1) Roman Imperial (East, south-east?)
(2) Slavic/Germanic (North/North-East)
to get modern Albanians.
Per 200 other authors, it doesn't. Albanian and Messapic clearly belong to the same branch, and Messapic-Illyrian are also clearly linked linguistically, archeologically, etc... We literally have countless evidence Messapians came from the western Balkans.
Not to mention all the countless Illyrian tribe names linked to Albanian animals/plants. These are Western Balkans linked. Serbia clearly drifts off. Those lineages don't represent ancestral Albanians.
Lecture on Slavic Migrations and the Origin of People in the Balkans
‘Slavic Migrations and Genomic Origin of the Balkan People’ is the title of the lecture to be delivered by Professor Carles Lalueza-Fox at the SASA Grand Hall, on Tuesday, 28 June, at noon.
A several-year-long study on the origin of the Balkan people has revealed that about a half of today’s Serbian population’s genomes is indigenous, at least up to the Bronze age, whereas the remaining half is of Slavic origin, descendant from the Slavic migrants in the 7th century. Therefore, Slavic migration to the Balkans did not bring about population replacement, but an admixture of indigenous Balkan genome and the genome of Slavic migrants. Molecular markers have suggested that the Slavic migrations to the Balkans could have originated from present-day Poland and Ukraine. This study analyses the genetic structure of the local people in the region of Serbia in the Bronze, Iron, Roman and post-Roman period, and the present-day population. This continuity in the analysis has paved the way for identifying the constancy of population in our region and the DNA proportion in today’s modern population with lineage traced back to ancient history. The sites for the research of population’s genetic changes include Viminuacium, Mediana, Timacum Minus and several other sites in the Balkans, which provides a basis for the analysis of later Slavic migrations and facilitates modelling of the genetic structure of the modern Serbian population in the wider context of other Balkan people.
The above-mentioned study is the result of the cooperation of the Faculty of Biology of the University of Belgrade (Professor Midrag Grbić, a visiting professor, Professor Željko Tomanović, SASA corresponding member, Professor Dušan Keckarević), Institute of Archaeology (Dr Ilija Mikić, research associate, Dr Miomir Korać, principal research fellows and associates), University Pompeu Fabra, Barcelona (Professor Carles Lalueza-Fox and associates), Harvard University, Harvard Medical School (Professor David Reich and associates).
from the actual lecture :
Why are his models fake by the way?
There is no link between the 2 ( messapic and albanan ) until the trade in pottery commenced after the Corinthians arrived in the Adriatic sea circa 730BC
https://edisciplinas.usp.br/pluginf...ent/1/Daunians, Peucetians and Messapians.pdf
where , as per every other place in the world, trade shared linguistic links ( Lingua Franca ) Definition of lingua franca
: any of various languages used as common or commercial tongues among peoples of diverse speech
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingua_franca
Actually, i said long time ago, Illyrians from Albania should look like Central Italians.
Actually, i said long time ago, Illyrians from Albania should look like Central Italians.
Kingjohn,here are the images from Pribislav's post:
Iron Age :
Illyri proprie dictii means Illyrians proper as far as i know.
Regarding territorial designation i think Illyrians from Montenegro were included into proprie dictii as well. Let's see. Don't really know how the picture will end. I am curious as well if the three Albanian Y-DNA E-V13, J2b2-L283 and R1b-Z2103 will be found together in Iron Age Albania.
The oldest sample of J2b has been found in Luristan (Elluria/Alluria in the ancient Akkadian sources) in the west of Iran. Illyria is from Ancient Greek Ἰλλυρία (Illuría).
IMO, too deep in history to still make any reliable connection.
Luristan looks like it means the land of Lurs, Lurs were Indo-Iranian people: Indo-Iranians are usually R1a, J2a and J1, G1, G2a, R2. No real historical connections with Illyrians.
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