Southern Italian Ethnogenesis (My theory)

My results using Source populations and coordinates from Jovialis post #179

TargetDistanceMinoan_Odigitria
Minoan_Petras
Yamnaya
PalermoTrapani_ANCESTRY2.83795309
40.236.922.9
Average2.83795309
40.236.922


Thanks Jovialis
 
In conclusion we can say that at Roca many archaeological data have been collected which clearly testify to strong and frequent contacts with the Aegean world. These contacts seem to reach their greatest intensity around 1200 BC, when we register the highest percentages of Aegean-type ceramics, both imported and made locally, which clearly include Minoan and Minoanising products. In this period Roca probably served as an important node in a large-scale Mediterranean trade network.

0xc1aa5576 0x003c9794.pdf (austriaca.at)

Roca is in Puglia, in Lecce.
 
Roca is in Puglia, in Lecce.
I know the place well, … my family has a summer house less than a mile from Roca.

There’s an Archaeological site that you can visit.

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… the Messapi, or whomever built that site must have been extremely strong, … many of those stone blocks are massive.
 
Thanks to Salento for his contributions!

I put together a Dodecad G13 version of the Minoan-Yamnaya model for Southern Italy.

Averages:

Code:
Minoan_Zakros:Lazaridis_2022:I14916,0,0,0.64,0.67,22.02,0,50.77,1.4,0,24.19,0,0.31,0
Minoan_Petras:Clemente_2021:Pta08,0,0,2.4,0.11,20.85,0.57,50,0.38,0,21.18,4.51,0,0
Minoan_Lasithi_(n=5),0,0,0.432,0.08,19.746,0.166,52.636,0.15,0,23.454,3.228,0,0.11
Minoan_Odigitria_(n=5),0.794,0,0.23,0.31,19.91,0,54.714,0.056,0.308,20.014,3.666,0,0
Yamnaya_Samara_(n=9),0.018888889,3.161111111,0.722222222,0.093333333,0,0,1.738888889,0.267777778,2.028888889,27.44,60.97888889,3.494444444,0.055555556

Individual Samples:

Code:
Minoan_Zakros:Lazaridis_2022:I14916,0,0,0.64,0.67,22.02,0,50.77,1.4,0,24.19,0,0.31,0
Minoan_Petras:Clemente_2021:Pta08,0,0,2.4,0.11,20.85,0.57,50,0.38,0,21.18,4.51,0,0
Minoan_Lasithi:Lazaridis_2017:I0070,0,0,0.22,0.01,21.21,0.25,52.88,0.44,0,23.77,1.22,0,0
Minoan_Lasithi:Lazaridis_2017:I0071,0,0,0.23,0.39,19.31,0,50.55,0,0,23.95,5.57,0,0
Minoan_Lasithi:Lazaridis_2017:I0073,0,0,0.99,0,19.1,0.22,52.99,0,0,24.46,2.24,0,0
Minoan_Lasithi:Lazaridis_2017:I0074,0,0,0,0,18.15,0,53.32,0.31,0,23.14,4.53,0,0.55
Minoan_Lasithi:Lazaridis_2017:I9005,0,0,0.72,0,20.96,0.36,53.44,0,0,21.95,2.58,0,0
Minoan_Odigitria:Lazaridis_2017:I9127,0,0,1.06,0,18.24,0,59.29,0,0,21.41,0,0,0
Minoan_Odigitria:Lazaridis_2017:I9128,3.97,0,0,0,15.76,0,57.01,0,0,14.75,8.51,0,0
Minoan_Odigitria:Lazaridis_2017:I9129,0,0,0,1.07,19.82,0,57.22,0,0,15.93,5.96,0,0
Minoan_Odigitria:Lazaridis_2017:I9130,0,0,0,0.48,21.49,0,50.73,0,0,24.64,2.66,0,0
Minoan_Odigitria:Lazaridis_2017:I9131,0,0,0.09,0,24.24,0,49.32,0.28,1.54,23.34,1.2,0,0
Yamnaya_Samara:Mathieson_2015:I0231,0,3.81,0.9,0,0,0,1.26,0,1.91,27.12,59.67,5.33,0
Yamnaya_Samara:Mathieson_2015:I0357,0,3.17,0.27,0,0,0,3.81,0.63,1.23,28.59,57.86,4.44,0
Yamnaya_Samara:Mathieson_2015:I0370,0.17,3.36,1.06,0,0,0,1.06,0,2.2,28.25,60.39,3.5,0
Yamnaya_Samara:Mathieson_2015:I0429,0,2.83,0.44,0,0,0,0,0,2.45,27.29,64.52,1.97,0.5
Yamnaya_Samara:Mathieson_2015:I0438,0,3.16,0.42,0,0,0,0.31,0.2,1.21,28.49,61.75,4.47,0
Yamnaya_Samara:Mathieson_2015:I0439,0,3.39,1.14,0,0,0,5.36,1.01,0.39,26.21,59.14,3.37,0
Yamnaya_Samara:Mathieson_2015:I0441,0,4.64,1.04,0,0,0,0,0.56,3.19,26.93,61.14,2.5,0
Yamnaya_Samara:Mathieson_2015:I0443,0,2.17,0.78,0.06,0,0,1.39,0.01,2.83,27.88,61.64,3.23,0
Yamnaya_Samara:Mathieson_2015:I0444,0,1.92,0.45,0.78,0,0,2.46,0,2.85,26.2,62.7,2.64,0

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Tip of my cap to Jovialis on his great insight into Southern Italian genetics
 
Code:
Yamnaya_Samara,29.22222222,2.065555556,0,0.171111111,4.561111111,58.40777778,1.35,0.025555556,0,0,3.558888889,0.638888889
Minoan_Zakros:I14916,0,0,3.51,0,31.15,0,2.37,0,12.57,0,49.61,0.8
Minoan_Lasithi,0.652,0.01,3.302,0.19,37.716,0.046,0,0,14.12,0,43.886,0.078
Minoan_Odigitria,2.584,0.472,1.574,0,42.44,0,0,0.338,14.602,0.204,37.722,0.066
Minoan_Petras,0,0,3.85,0.33,34.73,0.38,0.14,0.05,14.68,0.48,43.65,1.72

Here's a modification of the Dodecad K12b version that uses an aggregate of Yamnaya_Samara from Mathieson et al. 2015, rather than the generically labeled Yamnaya samples from Allentoft, Haak, Jarve, and Mathieson. It basically looks the same.

One observation is see for me particularly is that using these same samples between G13 and K12b;

K12b prefers Lasithi overwhelmingly for me as Minoan substratum.

G13 prefers Odigitria more with some Lasithi.

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Code:
Cetina,6.343125,0.3475,2.3425,0.0375,34.4525,28.261875,0.09125,0.11375,4.878125,0.3025,22.375,0.458125
Yamnaya_Samara,29.22222222,2.065555556,0,0.171111111,4.561111111,58.40777778,1.35,0.025555556,0,0,3.558888889,0.638888889
Minoan_Zakros:I14916,0,0,3.51,0,31.15,0,2.37,0,12.57,0,49.61,0.8
Minoan_Lasithi,0.652,0.01,3.302,0.19,37.716,0.046,0,0,14.12,0,43.886,0.078
Minoan_Odigitria,2.584,0.472,1.574,0,42.44,0,0,0.338,14.602,0.204,37.722,0.066
Minoan_Petras,0,0,3.85,0.33,34.73,0.38,0.14,0.05,14.68,0.48,43.65,1.72

Cetina culture came to Puglia, as did the Ancient Greeks (Minoan + Yamnaya). Considering the close affinity the Cetina cluster has to R1 the proto-Villanovan from the Adriatic-side of Italy, it is perhaps it could potentially also serve as a good proxy or insight for specific Italic tribes. Considering IBD analysis shows no major migration came to Italy after 400 BC, and there is a link to the Balkans, below provide some intriguing results.

Note: the best fit is for Puglia, and Abruzzo.

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South-Eastern Italy (Apulia)Despite the increase in the number of finds in the last ten years, evidence of Cetina-type pottery in Italy remains fragmentary. The quantity of sherds remains scanty, but they are spread over a vast area ranging from the Karst in the north-east, to Apulia in the south-east, and Campania in the south-west of the peninsula. More-over, pottery resembling Cetina types occurs in Calabria, eastern Sicily and the Ae-olian Islands. Most of the sherds from peninsular Italy are stray finds, so it remains difficult to assess the nature of the contexts and their chronology.As is well known, Apulia is one of the Italian regions yielding a considerable quan-tity of Cetina-type pottery. Finds are chiefly located in the northern part of the re-gion (Gargano promontory and the Tavoliere plain), and in inland areas of the cen-tral-southern par t of the region (Altamura and Laterza; Cataldo 1996). Rutigliano-Le Rene (RadIna 1989), in central Apulia, stands outside this pattern, as it is located in the coastal plain (10km circa from the coast) and is likely to be a settlement.

(PDF) The Cetina phenomenon across the Adriatic during the 2nd half of the 3rd millennium BC: new data and research perspectives (researchgate.net)

Interesting read, also found in the south-west of Italy.
 
Jovialis: My results using coordinates from post 191 and 192.

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@Palermo, that a pretty good fit.

Cetina is closest to Northern Italians:

Distance to:Cetina:I19032
4.02642521Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP200
4.09216324Veneto:ALP022
4.65457839Ashkenazi_o:ashkenazy10w
4.91085532Lombardy:ALP288
4.95551208Veneto:KF1803109
5.27690250French_Provence:provance2708
5.29713130Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP346
5.49293182Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF2700960
5.63920207Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF1800761
5.64941590Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont63
5.68209468Veneto:KF1803151
5.68796976Veneto:ALP116
5.69730638Veneto:ALP273
5.74117584TSI:NA20539_SG
5.74519799Ashkenazi_o:ashkenazy9w
5.80021551UK_Wales:WalesL45
5.81548794Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP235
6.19901605Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP354
6.25972843Veneto:ALP249
6.33024486Liguria:ALP099
6.35377053TSI:NA20768_SG
6.36974097Veneto:KF1800751
6.37771119Veneto:ALP209
6.49746104TSI:NA20756_SG
6.53408754Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP420


Distance to:Cetina:I19029
6.15037397Montenegro19
6.78943297Montenegro15
6.98695213Macedonian17b-d
7.12377007Serbia2
7.40424203Serbia18
7.44130365Montenegro21
7.45523306Macedonian19
7.56997358Montenegro20
7.70811910Greece_Thessaly:GreeceThessaly6
7.74353279Serbia4
7.81336035Serbia5
7.86699434Macedonian21
8.08565396Romania:Romania6
8.18625678Romania:Romania4
8.31801659Veneto:ALP322
8.33784145Kosovo14
8.37194123Montenegro1
8.50151163Serbia10
8.56677302Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP233
8.56830788Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF2700922
8.64865307Greece_NorthEast:GreeceNE34
8.85972912Montenegro17
8.91158796Montenegro9
8.94688773Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP506
9.08308318Kosovo11


Distance to:Cetina:I19027
2.30273750Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP280
2.59194907Veneto:KF1803105
2.79435145Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP395
2.86134584Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP081
2.99923324Veneto:ALP249
3.16733326Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP506
3.32314610Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP235
3.46916416Veneto:ALP378
3.67575843Veneto:ALP322
3.94244848Aosta-Valley:ALP225_Aosta-Valley
4.02770406Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP354
4.04682592Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF1803129
4.05028394Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP259
4.44221791Veneto:ALP273
4.44679660Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF1800761
4.59373486Veneto:KF1800751
4.64717118Veneto:ALP250
4.68230712Lombardy:HGDP01147
4.73779485Veneto:Alp401
4.77225314Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP346
4.89055212Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF2700960
4.89563071Piedmont:piedmont61
4.92363687Veneto:KF1800772
4.94056677Corsica_o:corsica11908
5.01417989Veneto:ALP022


Distance to:Cetina:I19026
4.84280910Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF1803129
4.95909266Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP506
5.02234009Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP081
5.36100737Veneto:ALP322
5.56880598Veneto:KF1803105
5.75306875Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF1800761
6.08157874Veneto:ALP250
6.08220355Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP395
6.12695683Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP259
6.29306761Veneto:ALP273
6.35488001Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP235
6.41566832Veneto:ALP249
6.44658049Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP233
6.55673699Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP280
6.62443960Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP354
6.62989442Veneto:ALP378
6.73304537Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF2700960
6.86781625Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP071
6.87538363Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP070
6.91088996Piedmont:piedmont61
7.02371696Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP346
7.13635761Aosta-Valley:ALP227_Aosta-Valley
7.15849845Aosta-Valley:ALP225_Aosta-Valley
7.39163040Corsica_o:corsica11908
7.43647094Ashkenazi_o:ashkenazy9w


Distance to:Cetina:I19025
17.73060349Germany:B:GermanB14
18.39160134Portugal:portugal11
19.44738543UK_Wales:WalesDR68
19.44770423Germany:B:GermanB6
20.24182304Portugal:portugal10
20.25791944Germany:B:GermanB10
20.43853468UK_Wales:WalesBK33
20.47555616Portugal:portugal2
20.51230606Portugal:portugal6
20.54036757French_Provence:provance4409
20.64936803UK_Wales:WalesL86
20.78892494Portugal:portugal7
20.96291010UK_Wales:WalesDR84
20.99010005French_Provence:provance4109
21.03281959Germany:B:GermanB19
21.08988383Corsica_o:CorsicaS13308
21.15059574French_Provence:provance4509
21.18589861Portugal:portugal13
21.25987770French_Provence:provance2508
21.29112726UK_Wales:WalesBK58
21.41448575Germany:German24
21.42211708UK_Wales:WalesDR56
21.42911337Germany:B:GermanB4
21.43534698UK_Wales:WalesL40
21.47289920Germany:German1


Distance to:Cetina:I19019
7.05703904Veneto:ALP249
7.17744383Veneto:ALP378
7.20432509Ashkenazi_o:ashkenazy10w
7.45457578Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP235
7.49099459TSI:NA20540_SG
7.57181616Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP346
7.62449998TSI:NA20801_SG
7.76158489Kosovo12
7.80019872UK_Wales:WalesL45
7.87432537Lombardy:HGDP01151
8.03468730TSI:NA20533_SG
8.04366210TSI:NA20520_SG
8.09043880Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP280
8.09757371Greece_Thessaly:GreeceThessaly6
8.10327711Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP200
8.18150964Ashkenazi_o:ashkenazy9w
8.19978658TSI:NA20769_SG
8.31793244TSI:NA20526_SG
8.36393448Greek_Thessaloniki:Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP8
8.39128715TSI:NA20770_SG
8.43756481Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont63
8.48185121Veneto:ALP209
8.52213588Liguria:ALP099
8.61712829Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP081
8.63304118Veneto:ALP022


Distance to:Cetina:I19017
6.77671012Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont127
6.83544439Aosta-Valley:ALP225_Aosta-Valley
7.39447091Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP280
7.57680672Veneto:ALP249
7.68506344Lombardy:HGDP01151
7.73775807Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP235
8.15462445French_Provence:provance2508
8.16283652Ashkenazi_o:ashkenazy9w
8.17372008Veneto:ALP378
8.17757910Veneto:KF1800772
8.27434590Corsica_o:corsica11908
8.37891998Veneto:Alp401
8.41379225Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP081
8.51998239Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont63
8.53238536Veneto:ALP040
8.58785189Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP346
8.61175940Veneto:KF1803151
8.61315273Veneto:KF1803105
8.61557891Veneto:ALP022
8.71987385Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP354
8.76069061Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF2700960
8.83297232Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP395
8.91829019Lombardy:HGDP01154
9.04562878Liguria:ALP099
9.14555083Lombardy:ALP288


Distance to:Cetina:I18752
1.95420060Veneto:ALP378
2.28201665Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP280
2.34838242Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP235
2.88890983Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP346
2.91146011Veneto:ALP249
3.58786845Veneto:KF1803105
3.73510375Veneto:ALP022
3.77014589Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP354
3.90362652Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP081
3.95580586Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP395
3.96821118Veneto:ALP273
3.97635511Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP506
4.00932663Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF2700960
4.09047674Veneto:ALP322
4.09452073Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP200
4.11192169Aosta-Valley:ALP225_Aosta-Valley
4.33395893Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP233
4.42736942Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF1800761
4.55929819Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP093
4.63646417Veneto:KF1803151
4.68698197Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF1803129
5.02068720Ashkenazi_o:ashkenazy9w
5.15406636Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont127
5.19334189Piedmont:piedmont61
5.23950379Veneto:KF1800751


Distance to:Cetina:I18747
4.05071599Veneto:ALP249
4.41426098Veneto:ALP322
4.60245587Veneto:ALP378
4.77503927Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP081
4.80566333Veneto:ALP273
4.84873179Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP235
4.86381537Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF1800761
4.96893349Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP233
5.03518619Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP346
5.06698135Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP506
5.21819892UK_Wales:WalesL45
5.36441050Piedmont:piedmont61
5.47263191Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF1803129
5.54823395Veneto:ALP209
5.62768158Ashkenazi_o:ashkenazy10w
5.73407360Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP200
5.77369033Veneto:KF1803105
5.85544191Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF2700960
5.96776340Ashkenazi_o:ashkenazy9w
6.11389401Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP280
6.11463817Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF2700922
6.29431490Greece_Thessaly:GreeceThessaly6
6.41915103Liguria:ALP099
6.48875951Veneto:KF1803109
6.60484671Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont63


Distance to:Cetina:I18746
2.31421693Aosta-Valley:ALP225_Aosta-Valley
3.27955790Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP346
3.28478310Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP235
3.29525416Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP280
3.43036441Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF2700960
3.50541010Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP354
3.58848157Veneto:ALP378
3.69051487Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP093
3.90838841Veneto:KF1803105
4.01752411Veneto:KF1803151
4.02405268Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP081
4.34967815Veneto:ALP249
4.46682214Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF1803129
4.60813411Veneto:ALP022
4.61275406Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP506
4.75250460Aosta-Valley:ALP227_Aosta-Valley
4.76623541Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP070
4.78270844Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP395
4.80388385Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF1800761
4.93198743Veneto:ALP250
4.94248925French_Provence:provance2508
4.97302725Ashkenazi_o:ashkenazy9w
5.08844770Veneto:ALP322
5.09893126Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont127
5.28325657Veneto:ALP273


Distance to:Cetina:I18745
2.07004831Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP395
2.09926178Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP280
3.27100902Veneto:KF1803105
3.78234055Lombardy:HGDP01147
3.83963540Veneto:ALP378
3.85576192Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP506
3.90709611Veneto:Alp401
4.05965516Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP235
4.09928042Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP259
4.10015853Veneto:ALP249
4.15505716Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP354
4.27863296Veneto:KF1800751
4.33757997Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP081
4.41751061Aosta-Valley:ALP225_Aosta-Valley
4.42952593Veneto:KF1800772
4.43874982Veneto:ALP322
4.83554547Lombardy:HGDP01151
4.84514190Veneto:ALP273
4.95498739Piedmont:piedmont61
4.97591198Veneto:ALP022
5.03784676Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF1803129
5.06445456Veneto:ALP250
5.07372644Veneto:ALP040
5.14175067Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP420
5.31201468Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF1800761


Distance to:Cetina:I18088
2.84557551Veneto:Alp401
2.91893816Veneto:KF1800751
3.30242335Veneto:ALP022
3.46079471Lombardy:ALP288
3.57770876Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont127
3.61394521Veneto:KF1800772
3.78319970Veneto:ALP116
3.84792152Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP420
3.97224118Veneto:KF1803109
4.01468554Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP200
4.05704326Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP280
4.07651812Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont119
4.09339712French_Provence:provance2708
4.31369911Liguria:ALP099
4.47593566Corsica_o:corsica11908
4.48498606Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont63
4.54936259Lombardy:HGDP01154
4.61590728TSI:NA20581_SG
4.62750473Veneto:ALP249
4.71518823Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont149
4.72983086TSI:NA20524_SG
4.77122626Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP395
4.82459325Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP235
4.82576419Veneto:KF1803105
4.88129081Lombardy:HGDP01173


Distance to:Cetina:I11843
2.62594745Veneto:ALP209
2.67576157TSI:NA20539_SG
2.92624333TSI:NA20520_SG
3.28592453TSI:NA20515_SG
3.36780344Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont136
3.40286644TSI:NA20775_SG
3.48919762TSI:NA20510_SG
3.66334547Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP200
3.85255759TSI:NA20768_SG
3.93685153TSI:NA20756_SG
4.04305578TSI:NA20518_SG
4.13716086TSI:NA20517_SG
4.26041078TSI:NA20524_SG
4.36785989TSI:NA20767_SG
4.44031530TSI:NA20801_SG
4.45788066TSI:NA20815_SG
4.46722509TSI:NA20818_SG
4.50319886Piedmont:piedmont61
4.52176957TSI:NA20535_SG
4.57747747TSI:NA20507_SG
4.62548376Piedmont:piedmont154
4.63022678TSI:NA20526_SG
4.74285779Tuscan:VO59
4.77117386TSI:NA20805_SG
4.84489422TSI:NA20785_SG


Distance to:Cetina:_dup.or.1d.rel.I19017:I19020
3.56161480Spain:Spain4
3.96998741Spain:Spain6
5.32487559Spain:Spain2
5.41457293Spain:Spain3
5.84074482Spain:Spain11
7.02833551Spain:Spain5
7.53392992French_Provence:provance4109
7.69130028Corsica_o:CorsicaS00708
7.76559077Portugal:portugal1
7.94065488Spain:Spain13
8.00111867Portugal:portugal13
8.38651298Portugal:portugal9
8.83572861Portugal:portugal6
9.38874859Portugal:portugal7
9.51725275French_Provence:provance4509
9.66067803Spain:Spain1
9.72998458Spain:Spain10
9.73141305Spain:Spain12
9.82100300Lombardy:HGDP01153
10.04279344Lombardy:HGDP01171
10.25961013Spain:Spain8
10.34415777Portugal:portugal11
10.51662969Spain:Spain9
10.61041470Lombardy:HGDP01173
10.63096421Portugal:portugal10


Distance to:Cetina:_1d.rel.I19027.possible.1d.rel.I19020:I19022
5.65951411Ashkenazi_o:ashkenazy2e
7.20147901Greek_Thessaloniki:Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP12
7.84132642Greek_Thessaloniki:Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP10
8.02659953Greek_Athens:Greek_Athens_TLA019
8.27231527Greece_Peloponnese:GreecePelop7
8.36416164Greece_Peloponnese:GreecePelop10
8.71231313Greece_Phokaia:GreecePhokaia60
8.75029142Greek_Thessaloniki:Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP4
8.82779134Greek_Athens:Greek_Athens_TLA023
8.92190563Greek_Thessaloniki:Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP16
8.93516648Greek_Thessaloniki:Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP11
9.11309497Greece_Central:GreeceCentral7
9.32107826Greece_Smyrna:GreeceSmyrna4
9.43690097Greece_Thessaly:GreeceThessaly4
9.51101992Greek_Thessaloniki:Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP5
9.55160719Greek_Athens:Greek_Athens_TLA028
9.66110242Greece_Peloponnese:GreecePelop4
10.17155347Greece_NorthEast:GreeceNE209
10.25151696Greece_Peloponnese:GreecePelop1
10.26308920Greece_Macedonia:GreeceMaced3
10.39869703Greek_Thessaloniki:Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP18
10.43655595Greek_Athens:Greek_Athens_TLA029
10.45057415Greek_Athens:Greek_Athens_TLA011
10.47865449Greece_F:GreeceF28k
10.62674456Greek_Athens:Greek_Athens_TLA025


Distance to:Cetina:I19021
6.09265952Lombardy:HGDP01151
7.64921565Kosovo14
7.83333901Greece_Thessaly:GreeceThessaly6
8.13660249TSI:NA20801_SG
8.39334260Veneto:ALP378
8.49169006TSI:NA20520_SG
8.53820824TSI:NA20505_SG
8.62936266Veneto:ALP249
8.63021437TSI:NA20769_SG
8.86248836TSI:NA20540_SG
8.86600812Piedmont:piedmont61
8.99253579Veneto:ALP322
9.11120738TSI:NA20533_SG
9.15007650Kosovo1
9.19351402Veneto:ALP209
9.21238840Kosovo16
9.21653948Greece_Central:GreeceCentral9
9.22023319Romania:Romania6
9.31178286Kosovo8
9.42150200Kosovo11
9.44312978Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP506
9.44600445Albanian:AL9
9.45638409Albanian:AL12
9.52326625Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP235
9.52698798Greek_Thessaloniki:Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP8

 
I'm going to reiterate that we still need samples from tribes like the Oscans, Lucanians, and Samnites to get a better picture, to properly deduce the "northern" ancestry. But Cetina is a good fit for now, especially for Puglia, where the culture has many artifacts. With the inclusion of those tribes, I expect the nebulous Yamnaya_Samara admixture will go down, as it did with Cetina, and go to an appropriate level that would have arrived with Ancient Greeks (Yamna + Minoan)

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Not only Ancient Greeks, and Bronze-Age Cetina, but other Balkan immigrants from the Iron Age would have been genetically similar. Maintaining the genetic profile. Aegean_BA + Slovenian_IA. Slovenian_IA which is basically similar to Cetina; but pulled a section north of them. There's a reason why Balkan_IA samples overlap with Southern Italians up to Tuscany.

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Salerno sample is surprisingly more northern than the other Campanian and Naples samples. Maybe it has something to do with that green spot on the map?
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The area on the map seems more centered around Benevento than Salerno.
The difference is indeed quite strange and interesting, since Napoli and Salerno are very close to each other and both placed by the sea.
It could be due to the Lombard principality of Salerno, but if find it strange, since I don't think there were so many actual lombards there. Anyway, that could easily be tested by YDNA.
Maybe Salerno was more heavily settled (and resettled over time) by oscan or italic - like people from the mainland, maybe even by some of those Liguri Apuani which had been deported in the Samnium by the Romans.
 
Greek names in Pompeii (mostly among the slaves). Those Greek names represent Anatolians, Levantines and of course ethnic Greeks. In other words it is a indicator of the recent eastern origin. Pompeii was an Oscan speaking regions and it was recolonized by Romans in 80BC following the language shift from Oscan to Latin.
https://namenookdotcom.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-people-of-pompeii/
 
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