Tomenable World 6th century BC

**Tomenable** · 12-07-22, 23:57

Try my new Global25 scaled calculator:

https://yourrootsdna.blogspot.com/20...lore-your.html

Recommended settings in Single/Multi:

Cycles - 4
Add Dist Col - 0.25X
Aggregate - Yes
Recalculate - Yes
Reduce - try without and then to 5 Populations
Print Zeroes - No

=====

Polish average scores:

Target: Polish
Distance: 0.7674% / 0.00767380 | ADC: 0.25x RC
75.6 Europe_Balto_Slavic
13.6 Europe_Early_Germanic
5.8 Europe_Celts
4.2 Europe_Daco_Thracians
0.8 MENA_Judah_Kingdom

**Tomenable** · 13-07-22, 00:05

Target: Italian_Bergamo
Distance: 0.8658% / 0.00865795 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
45.4 Europe_Celts
27.2 Europe_Western_Illyrians
17.0 Europe_Roman_Kingdom
7.2 Europe_Archaic_Greeks
3.2 MENA_Carthage_Empire_Africa

**kingjohn** · 13-07-22, 00:10

well done tomenable

since i don't have g25 values
i used a tool which simulate eurogenes k36 results to g25 values

http://allelocator.com/K36horizontal.html

so i take it is close to the truth not exactly the truth

distance:

Distance to: adam

0.04498903 Europe_Roman_Kingdom:Urban

0.04662888 Europe_Daco_Thracians:dacians

0.04978399 Europe_Bosporus_Greeks

0.05396443 Europe_Daco_Thracians:Thracians

0.05810966 Europe_Archaic_Greeks

0.06015269 Europe_Carthage_Empire_Western

0.06323770 Europe_Carthage_Empire_Ebusus

0.06667155 MENA_Lydia_Kingdom

0.07862553 Europe_Sicily_Sikanoi

0.07959131 Europe_Western_Illyrians

0.08282139 MENA_Cilicia_Kingdom

0.08485500 Europe_Etruria_Etruscans

0.08487934 Europe_Roman_Kingdom:Rural

0.08525118 MENA_Phoenician_States

0.08914577 Europe_Celts:Noricum_Celts

0.08974452 MENA_Carthage_Empire_Africa

0.08992370 MENA_Urartu_Kingdom_Urumu

0.09006297 MENA_Luwian_Aramean_States

0.09145720 MENA_Israel_Kingdom

0.09278722 MENA_Urartu_Kingdom_East

0.09290741 Europe_Latin_League

0.09396704 Europe_Raetians:Vennones

0.09665628 MENA_Judah_Kingdom

0.09984994 MENA_Ammon_Kingdom

0.10184872 MENA_Philistine_Pentapolis

single:

	Europe_Balto_Slavic	17.82 %
	Europe_Roman_Kingdom_Urban	17.74 %
	Europe_Archaic_Greeks	16.80 %
	MENA_Cilicia_Kingdom	10.63 %
	Europe_Daco_Thracians_Thracians	8.25 %
	MENA_Phoenician_States	7.55 %
	MENA_Judah_Kingdom	5.98 %
	MENA_Mannaean_Kingdom	5.20 %
	MENA_Berber_Peoples	5.20 %
	Europe_Bosporus_Greeks	2.45 %
	MENA_Elamo_Dravidians	1.60 %
	Europe_Carthage_Empire_Western	0.77 %

**AlfonsoVIII** · 13-07-22, 00:28

Distance to:	AlfonsoVIII
0.03534058	Europe_Western_Illyrians
0.03996956	Europe_Etruria_Etruscans
0.04155960	Europe_Celts:Noricum_Celts
0.04164899	Europe_Roman_Kingdom:Rural
0.04505825	Europe_Raetians:Vennones
0.04571755	Europe_Latin_League
0.04975519	Europe_Ligurians:Salluvii
0.05161561	Europe_Daco_Thracians_Dacians
0.05288581	Europe_Celts:Celtiberians
0.05623477	Europe_Baleares_Talaiotic
0.05745371	Europe_Iberes:Northern
0.05841581	Europe_Iberes:Central
0.05974393	Europe_Cantabri_Confederacy
0.06334631	Europe_Celts:Continental_Gaulish
0.06514435	Europe_Tartessos_Turdetani
0.06735827	Europe_Carthage_Empire_Ebusus
0.06775114	Europe_Carthage_Empire_Western
0.06986363	Europe_Roman_Kingdom:Urban
0.07033673	Europe_Lusotannan_Lusitani
0.07317602	Europe_Daco_Thracians:Thracians
0.07738370	Europe_Sicily_Sikanoi
0.07992440	Europe_Celts:Armoricans
0.08360393	Europe_Celts:Brittonic_EnglandS
0.08850597	Europe_Celts:Brittonic_Cornwall
0.08935944	Europe_Celts:Brittonic_WalesS2_I16405

Target: AlfonsoVIII Distance: 1.8124% / 0.01812372 \| ADC: 0.25x RC
46.4	Europe_Celts

21.4	Europe_Western_Illyrians

19.8	Europe_Carthage_Empire_Western

7.4	Caucasus_Colchis_Kingdom

2.6	MENA_Berber_Peoples

1.6	Africa_Garamantians

0.8	Oceania_Melanesians

**Duarte** · 13-07-22, 02:48

G25 simulated from K36 data

Target: Duarte_G25simulated_fromK36data Distance: 0.8456% / 0.00845647 \| R5P \| ADC: 0.25x RC
55.2	Europe_Western_Illyrians

28.4	Europe_Ligurians

11.6	MENA_Berber_Peoples

3.2	Africa(Central)_Foragers

1.6	Africa_Garamantians

	Europe_Celts_Caledonian_Scotland	22.17 %
	Europe_Latin_League	20.41 %
	Europe_Archaic_Greeks	11.28 %
	MENA_Berber_Peoples	10.07 %
	Europe_Sardinia_Nuragic	8.18 %
	Europe_Cantabri_Confederacy	5.56 %
	Europe_Roman_Kingdom_Rural	4.48 %
	Europe_Daco_Thracians_Thracians	4.16 %
	Europe_Celts_Brittonic_WalesN1_I16475	4.10 %
	Europe_Celts_Brittonic_WalesN2_VK171	3.27 %
	Africa(West)_Niger_Congo_Peoples	2.81 %
	Europe_Celts_Hibernian_Scotii	0.91 %
	America_Mayan_Civilization	0.83 %
	Africa(Central)_Foragers_Baka	0.76 %
	Africa_Nilo_Saharan_Peoples	0.59 %
	Africa(South)_Khoisan_Peoples	0.36 %
	Oceania_Papuans	0.07 %

G25 Original

Target: Duarte_scaled Distance: 1.5315% / 0.01531454 \| R5P \| ADC: 0.25x RC
42.4	Europe_Roman_Kingdom

26.0	Europe_Celts

16.4	Europe_Lusotannan_Lusitani

10.4	MENA_Berber_Peoples

4.8	Africa_Bantu_Peoples

	Europe_Roman_Kingdom_Rural	31.57 %
	Europe_Celts_Brittonic_WalesN2_VK171	24.97 %
	Europe_Lusotannan_Lusitani	18.62 %
	MENA_Berber_Peoples	9.87 %
	Europe_Etruria_Etruscans	7.65 %
	Africa_Bantu_Peoples	2.98 %
	Europe_Archaic_Greeks	1.74 %
	Africa(Central)_Foragers_Baka	1.41 %
	Asia_Jomon_Japan	0.47 %
	Oceania_Papuans	0.27 %
	Africa(Central)_Foragers_Mbuti	0.25 %
	America_Amazon_Foragers	0.21 %

**torzio** · 13-07-22, 03:12

Distance to: torzio_scaled
0.03191518 Europe_West_Central:Noricum_Celts
0.03232767 Europe_South_Central:Western_Illyrians
0.04007795 Europe_Southeast

acians
0.05031703 Europe_West_Central:Raetians_Vennones
0.05048624 Europe_South_Central:Latin_League
0.05065735 Europe_South_Central:Etruria_Etruscans
0.05334966 Europe_South_Central:Roman_Kingdom_rural
0.05482089 Europe_Southwest:Ligurians_Salluvii
0.05826124 Europe_West_Central:Continental_Gaulish
0.06264363 Europe_Southwest:Celtiberians
0.06766820 Europe_South_Central:Roman_Kingdom_urban
0.07145475 Europe_Southeast:Thracians
0.07416896 Europe_Southwest:Iberes_Northern
0.07500418 Europe_Southwest:Cantabri_Confederacy
0.07535078 Europe_Southwest:Carthage_Empire_Western
0.07599039 Europe_Northwest:Armoricans
0.07623465 Europe_Southwest:Iberes_Central
0.07693240 Europe_Southwest:Baleares_Talaiotic
0.07723303 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_EnglandS
0.07984396 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_WalesS2_I16405
0.08212450 Europe_Northwest:Caledonian_Scotland
0.08236461 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_Cornwall
0.08304070 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_EnglandN
0.08383222 Europe_Southwest:Carthage_Empire_Ebusus
0.08606336 Europe_South_Central:Sicily_Sikanoi

Target: torzio_scaled
Distance: 1.9034% / 0.01903391 | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.8 Europe_West_Central
25.2 Europe_Southeast
11.6 Europe_Northwest
10.2 MENA_Judah_Kingdom
4.2 Europe_East_Central

**italouruguayan** · 13-07-22, 03:50

Distance to: italouruguayan

0.11056071 Europe_Eastern:Scythians
0.13459583 Europe_Southeast

acians
0.13584995 Sarmatia_Asiatica_Sarmatians
0.13590767 Europe_Eastern:Cimmerians
0.13828027 Europe_Southeast:Bosporus_Greeks
0.14025900 Sarmatia_Asiatica_Tagar_Scythians
0.14384658 Europe_Southwest:Carthage_Empire_Ebusus
0.14447298 Asia_Wusun_Nomads
0.14603780 Europe_West_Central:Continental_Gaulish
0.14660204 Europe_South_Central:Western_Illyrians
0.14787822 Europe_West_Central:Noricum_Celts
0.14817322 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_EnglandN
0.14847471 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_EnglandS
0.14861278 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_WalesN1_I16475
0.14992617 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_Cornwall
0.15087182 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_WalesN2_VK171
0.15090322 Europe_Southwest:Ligurians_Salluvii
0.15165181 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_WalesS2_I16405
0.15227802 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_Scotland
0.15305307 Europe_Northwest:Armoricans
0.15310783 Europe_Southwest:Celtiberians
0.15338217 Europe_Northwest:Caledonian_Scotland
0.15351612 Europe_West_Central:Raetians_Vennones
0.15352580 Europe_Northwest:West_Germanic
0.15384377 MENA_Urartu_Kingdom_East

Target: italouruguayan

Distance: 0.6568% / 0.00656765

19.0 Europe_Northwest
13.4 Europe_East_Central
13.2 MENA_Carthage_Empire_Africa
12.8 Europe_South_Central
11.8 America_Amazon_Foragers
10.4 Europe_Southeast
5.0 America_Chavin_Civilization
3.8 Europe_Southwest
3.4 MENA_Judah_Kingdom
2.2 MENA_Phoenician_States
1.8 America_Ancestral_Puebloans
1.0 MENA_Elamo_Dravidians
0.8 Africa_Nilo_Saharan_Peoples
0.8 Africa(South)_Khoisan_Peoples
0.4 Africa(Central)_Foragers
0.2 Africa(West)_Niger_Congo_Peoples

**Tomenable** · 13-07-22, 13:02

Map showing approximate locations of reference populations:

**italouruguayan** · 13-07-22, 16:59

Originally Posted by italouruguayan

Distance to: italouruguayan
0.11056071 Europe_Eastern:Scythians
0.13459583 Europe_Southeast

acians
0.13584995 Sarmatia_Asiatica_Sarmatians
0.13590767 Europe_Eastern:Cimmerians
0.13828027 Europe_Southeast:Bosporus_Greeks
0.14025900 Sarmatia_Asiatica_Tagar_Scythians
0.14384658 Europe_Southwest:Carthage_Empire_Ebusus
0.14447298 Asia_Wusun_Nomads
0.14603780 Europe_West_Central:Continental_Gaulish
0.14660204 Europe_South_Central:Western_Illyrians
0.14787822 Europe_West_Central:Noricum_Celts
0.14817322 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_EnglandN
0.14847471 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_EnglandS
0.14861278 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_WalesN1_I16475
0.14992617 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_Cornwall
0.15087182 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_WalesN2_VK171
0.15090322 Europe_Southwest:Ligurians_Salluvii
0.15165181 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_WalesS2_I16405
0.15227802 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_Scotland
0.15305307 Europe_Northwest:Armoricans
0.15310783 Europe_Southwest:Celtiberians
0.15338217 Europe_Northwest:Caledonian_Scotland
0.15351612 Europe_West_Central:Raetians_Vennones
0.15352580 Europe_Northwest:West_Germanic
0.15384377 MENA_Urartu_Kingdom_East
Target: italouruguayan
Distance: 0.6568% / 0.00656765
19.0 Europe_Northwest
13.4 Europe_East_Central
13.2 MENA_Carthage_Empire_Africa
12.8 Europe_South_Central
11.8 America_Amazon_Foragers
10.4 Europe_Southeast
5.0 America_Chavin_Civilization
3.8 Europe_Southwest
3.4 MENA_Judah_Kingdom
2.2 MENA_Phoenician_States
1.8 America_Ancestral_Puebloans
1.0 MENA_Elamo_Dravidians
0.8 Africa_Nilo_Saharan_Peoples
0.8 Africa(South)_Khoisan_Peoples
0.4 Africa(Central)_Foragers
0.2 Africa(West)_Niger_Congo_Peoples

MENA_Carthage_Empire_Africa 15.53 %
Europe_Balto_Slavic 13.74 %
America_Amazon_Foragers 13.54 %
Europe_Celts_Caledonian_Scotland 10.74 %
Europe_Archaic_Greeks 9.77 %
Europe_Roman_Kingdom_Urban 9.37 %
Europe_Early_Germanic_West 4.74 %
America_Chavin_Civilization 4.64 %
MENA_Judah_Kingdom 3.99 %
Europe_Daco_Thracians_Dacians 3.64 %
Europe_Early_Germanic_North 3.13 %
Europe_Carthage_Empire_Western 2.38 %
MENA_Elamo_Dravidians 1.57 %
MENA_Phoenician_States 0.85 %
Africa(South)_Khoisan_Peoples 0.81 %
Africa_Nilo_Saharan_Peoples 0.70 %
Africa(Central)_Foragers_Baka 0.40 %
Europe_Sicily_Sikanoi 0.33 %
Africa_Bantu_Peoples 0.15 %

**kingjohn** · 14-07-22, 17:57

Originally Posted by Tomenable

Try my new Global25 scaled calculator:

https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calcu...century-bc.htm - classic version

https://www.exploreyourdna.com/tomenable.aspx - version with a map

Recommended settings in Single/Multi:

Cycles - 4
Add Dist Col - 0.25X
Aggregate - Yes
Recalculate - Yes
Reduce - try without and then to 5 Populations
Print Zeroes - No

=====

Polish average scores:

Target: Polish
Distance: 0.7674% / 0.00767380 | ADC: 0.25x RC
75.6 Europe_Balto_Slavic
13.6 Europe_Early_Germanic
5.8 Europe_Celts
4.2 Europe_Daco_Thracians
0.8 MENA_Judah_Kingdom

tomenable ,
small question
which reference do you used for the balto- slavic component ?

**Tomenable** · 14-07-22, 19:58

Originally Posted by kingjohn

which reference do you used for the balto- slavic component ?

It is an average of the following three samples:

HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
RUS_Sunghir_MA_Sunghir6
KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro:DA29

And I calculated their average using this tool:

https://dna-tools.xyz/calculate

**Dibran** · 14-07-22, 20:34

**kingjohn** · 15-07-22, 08:51

Originally Posted by Tomenable

It is an average of the following three samples:
HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
RUS_Sunghir_MA_Sunghir6
KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro

A29
And I calculated their average using this tool:
https://dna-tools.xyz/calculate

Nice

So the average land somewhere in
modern Southwest russian

p.s
here is with living dna raw data ( in single mode more judea and levant generally speaking less slavic but both illyrian + celts appear )

distance:

Distance to:	adam
0.04514671	Europe_South_Central:Roman_Kingdom_urban
0.04646710	Europe_Southeast:dacians
0.05097051	Europe_Southeast:Bosporus_Greeks
0.05273730	Europe_Southeast:Thracians
0.05609396	Europe_Southwest:Carthage_Empire_Western
0.05711674	Europe_Southeast:Archaic_Greeks
0.06013151	Europe_Southwest:Carthage_Empire_Ebusus
0.06404695	Europe_South_Central:Western_Illyrians
0.06759774	MENA_Lydia_Kingdom
0.07654988	Europe_South_Central:Sicily_Sikanoi
0.08287402	MENA_Cilicia_Kingdom
0.08290548	Europe_South_Central:Etruria_Etruscans
0.08292624	Europe_South_Central:Roman_Kingdom_rural
0.08385743	MENA_Phoenician_States
0.08585772	MENA_Carthage_Empire_Africa
0.08801766	Europe_West_Central:Noricum_Celts
0.08938453	MENA_Luwian_Aramean_States
0.08979551	MENA_Israel_Kingdom
0.09132403	MENA_Urartu_Kingdom_Urumu
0.09136628	Europe_South_Central:Latin_League
0.09268729	Europe_West_Central:Raetians_Vennones
0.09443030	MENA_Judah_Kingdom
0.09623908	MENA_Urartu_Kingdom_East
0.09809373	MENA_Ammon_Kingdom
0.10065751	MENA_Philistine_Pentapolis

single

	MENA_Judah_Kingdom	13.10 %
	MENA_Phoenician_States	11.93 %
	Europe_Roman_Kingdom_Urban	11.65 %
	Europe_Western_Illyrians	11.20 %
	Europe_Balto_Slavic	9.19 %
	Europe_Archaic_Greeks	8.68 %
	Europe_Celts_Brittonic_WalesN1_I16475	6.48 %
	Europe_Bosporus_Greeks	5.67 %
	MENA_Cilicia_Kingdom	4.96 %
	MENA_Carthage_Empire_Africa	4.53 %
	Europe_Daco_Thracians_Thracians	4.44 %
	MENA_Median_Empire	4.33 %
	MENA_Berber_Peoples	2.95 %
	Swat_Valley_Indo_Aryans_Vedic_Age	0.89 %

**Luso** · 15-07-22, 20:11

Target: Luso_scaled Distance: 1.9046% / 0.01904572
45.4	Europe_Southwest

22.8	Europe_Northwest

12.2	Europe_South_Central

8.4	MENA_Berber_Peoples

4.4	Europe_West_Central

2.6	Europe_East_Central

1.8	Africa_Cushitic_Peoples

1.4	Europe_Northeast

1.0	Africa(Central)_Foragers

**florere** · 16-07-22, 15:49

Target: Florere Distance: 0.3843% / 0.00384260 \| ADC: 0.25x RC

56.8	Europe_South_Central
15.4	Europe_Southeast
12.8	Europe_West_Central
7.8	Caucasus_Colchis_Kingdom
7.2	Europe_Southwest

Unaggregated

Target: Florere Distance: 0.3843% / 0.00384260 \| ADC: 0.25x RC

35.2	Europe_South_Central:Western_Illyrians
13.4	Europe_South_Central:Etruria_Etruscans
12.8	Europe_West_Central:Noricum_Celts
9.2	Europe_Southeast:Thracians
8.2	Europe_South_Central:Roman_Kingdom_urban
7.8	Caucasus_Colchis_Kingdom
7.2	Europe_Southwest:Carthage_Empire_Ebusus
6.2	Europe_Southeastacians

**matadworf** · 16-07-22, 17:24

Target: Anthony_C_scaled
Distance: 2.0073% / 0.02007299 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC
37.2 Europe_Southeast:Archaic_Greeks
19.0 Europe_East_Central:Balto_Slavic
18.2 Europe_Southeast:Bosporus_Greeks
14.2 Europe_South_Central:Western_Illyrians
11.4 Europe_South_Central:Sicily_Sikanoi
0.0 Europe_South_Central:Etruria_Etruscans
0.0 Europe_South_Central:Latin_League
0.0 Europe_South_Central:Roman_Kingdom_rural
0.0 Europe_South_Central:Roman_Kingdom_urban
0.0 Europe_Southeast

acians
0.0 Europe_Southeast:Thracians

**HolyGoose** · 03-08-22, 20:11

Target: TheHolyGoose_scaled Distance: 2.0398% / 0.02039778 \| ADC: 0.25x RC
74.0	Europe_Northwest

16.4	Europe_West_Central

9.6	Europe_South_Central

Unaggregated:

Target: TheHolyGoose_scaled Distance: 2.0398% / 0.02039778 \| ADC: 0.25x RC
37.6	Europe_Northwest:Caledonian_Scotland

32.8	Europe_Northwest:North_Germanic

16.4	Europe_West_Central:Noricum_Celts

9.6	Europe_South_Central:Western_Illyrians

3.6	Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_EnglandN

**Wanderer** · 08-01-23, 04:56

I got some insane looney results lol

**Wanderer** · 08-01-23, 05:05

There's more but its alot

**Tomenable** · Yesterday, 22:42

Wanderer - are you sure that you used your scaled coordinates? You probably used unscaled.

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Distance to:	adam
0.04498903	Europe_Roman_Kingdom:Urban
0.04662888	Europe_Daco_Thracians:dacians
0.04978399	Europe_Bosporus_Greeks
0.05396443	Europe_Daco_Thracians:Thracians
0.05810966	Europe_Archaic_Greeks
0.06015269	Europe_Carthage_Empire_Western
0.06323770	Europe_Carthage_Empire_Ebusus
0.06667155	MENA_Lydia_Kingdom
0.07862553	Europe_Sicily_Sikanoi
0.07959131	Europe_Western_Illyrians
0.08282139	MENA_Cilicia_Kingdom
0.08485500	Europe_Etruria_Etruscans
0.08487934	Europe_Roman_Kingdom:Rural
0.08525118	MENA_Phoenician_States
0.08914577	Europe_Celts:Noricum_Celts
0.08974452	MENA_Carthage_Empire_Africa
0.08992370	MENA_Urartu_Kingdom_Urumu
0.09006297	MENA_Luwian_Aramean_States
0.09145720	MENA_Israel_Kingdom
0.09278722	MENA_Urartu_Kingdom_East
0.09290741	Europe_Latin_League
0.09396704	Europe_Raetians:Vennones
0.09665628	MENA_Judah_Kingdom
0.09984994	MENA_Ammon_Kingdom
0.10184872	MENA_Philistine_Pentapolis