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    Mt Athos, The last of Byzantines or Where Byzantium still exist.

    ΟΘΕΝ ΑΙΔΩΣ OY EINAI
    ΑΤΗ ΛΑΜΒΑΝΕΙΝ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ
    ΥΒΡΙΣ ΓΕΝΝΑΤΑΙ
    ΝΕΜΕΣΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΙΣΗ ΑΚΟΛΟΥΘΟΥΣΙ ΔΕ

    When there is no shame
    Divine blindness conquers them
    Hybris (abuse, opprombium) is born
    Nemesis and punishment follows.

    Εχε υπομονη Ηρωα
    Η τιμωρια δεν αργει.

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    Lots of times I Agreed and disagree with monks,
    they have their own way of life,
    I ve been visiting from 1989

    At that times all distances were by foot,
    No roads, few cars, NO ELECTRICITY, etc etc,

    ''me and my house'' (not me offcourse)


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    the place name is Karoulia. at the deep south of peninsula,

    this a skete, a kind of village for monks,
    Most caves are also houses and small churches





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    again karoulia, where people live like the birds






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    Living in the Mount Athos caves reminds me of the Matala caves in Crete where the hippies lived in the 70s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    again karoulia, where people live like the birds





    Is that a woman? I thought the monks prohibited women from going anywhere near the monasteries?

    If women can go, I want to go. :) Do you go up by mule track? That would be fine. I went all the way to the bottom of the Grand Canyon on these small, sure footed horses. First time I went to the Canyon I went on foot even though the guide told me they lost walkers, but never horses! :) Second time I was more brave.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Is that a woman? I thought the monks prohibited women from going anywhere near the monasteries?

    If women can go, I want to go. :) Do you go up by mule track? That would be fine. I went all the way to the bottom of the Grand Canyon on these small, sure footed horses. First time I went to the Canyon I went on foot even though the guide told me they lost walkers, but never horses! :) Second time I was more brave.
    That woman has an awfully long red beard. Monks wear long garments. Grand Canyon's Bright Angel trail was very challenging hike particularly on the way back even more so than Yosemite's Half Dome hike.

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    Reminds me a bit of Matera, but the caves aren't as high up, the access is easier, and the views aren't as spectacular.



    How things change...It was a place of abject poverty and squalor, and now we pay to stay there.



    Truly, the place where Christ never reached.

    (Christ stopped at Eboli-Carlo Levi)

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    ok, enough with spiritual training, lets go to Sunday;s church (kyriakon=a kind of village central church)




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    Supplies transfer, 2 times per week at summer, 1 in winter




    he descents, maybe he brings water to his cottage, usually 20-40-60 for a week for all demands,


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    this is papa stefanos, at 90;s I make an effort to reach his cabin
    do not know what blessings he had, bu he manage to grow flowers and strawberries at the desrt.
    he was of Serbian origin,
    few years later he passed away,


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    Mt Athos BIG DESERT, land of the HERMITS ERIMITES

    the first monks of christianity appear at Egypt, at desrt, Antonios the great as they named is considered the father of Monachismos.
    then when islam expand at Egypt, they start to choose other places, first was Kappadokia, in Today Turkey,
    other was the desert of mt Athos, they called desert cause the water is rare here with little rainfalls, comparing other areas of Athos.
    Meteora in Greece, and I heard about Amalfi and Benedecto in Italy,

    The desert mainly is divided to 3 smaller 'villages'
    Kausokalybia Kafsokalibia which means cabins burned in Sun,
    Katounakia, means rocky/stone cover small narrow streets, and vilage in Epirus Sterea and Arbanitika, Danielaioi dwells is also such and near.
    and Karoylia, means reel and trundle. also called FREAKY karoulia, especially the big one,

    a photo from Katoynakia
    Yes Angela, this and many cities in S Italy share some common but not Karoylia, Karoylia is Unigue,








    and Kausokalybia


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    I walked almost half of peninsula at 90-97,
    First electric attempts were at 1994, in some easy approach monasteries,

    At Desert monks had to carry water, while the few small springs, or drop by drop gaher areas are called Agiasma, meaning Holly,
    imagine how holly for life the few drops of water,

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    Angela never been in Grand Canyon, but surely is bigger, I guess, it is considered a natural wonder
    the toughest challange i had was at Agia Anna Saint Anne, from 0 sea lvl to 650 mt height by ealking about 2-2,5 km km,
    the passage from Filotheos monastery to Simonos Petra through the water falls.
    but the most FREAKY is Karoylia,


    NO WOMEN ARE PROHIBITED, at 500 from the shores,

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    @ angela

    surely you did not expect to do this to go to your house, or to visit a place
    the video is from visitors, trying to go down at megalo Karoyli


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    The deset belong to the municipal of Agia Lavra monasteri, Αγια Λαυρα,

    Lavra (maybe cognate with English Love) means inner heat/ burn, strong desire, pation, excitement, even greed and glutony and sex.
    it is describe as the inner flame that burns human after a strong desire (here is desire for hollines and life after death)

    But it has it own rules,
    the systems are 3 there, the commonlife at monastery, the small feudal and common of Scetes and the almost free of deep desert, (lonely cells/cabines but must be registered to the monastery).

    a good aproach description of how life is at Karoylia and desert,
    2 photos and a small video.



    do not know, if he is newcomer, or test himshelf, or passes by on a road to elsewhere, or on a spiritual excersise.

    2.


    after the burried time 3-5-7 years bones must be extracted from ground, washed with wine (and oil) and return to the cell he lived.
    so next owner or habitat inherits the bones of all previous.

    an official video for deep desert.


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    few FAQ

    Since 1926, Mount Athos has had the unique status of a theocratic republic, with its own government, elected by the 20 monasteries on the mountain. There are no roads connecting the Holy Mountain with the rest of Greece, ensuring its continuing isolation.

    It is governed as an autonomous polity within the Hellenic Republic, namely the monastic community of Mount Athos under the direct jurisdiction of the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople.

    Women have been barred from Mount Athos, a sacred sanctuary that has long housed a large community of Eastern Orthodox monks, for more than 1,000 years. To the extent residents can control, even female animals are forbidden: Only male birds chirp in the aviaries; only bulls roam the peninsula's pastures

    The monuments are protected by the provisions of the Archaeological Law 3028/2002 “On the Protection of Antiquities and Cultural Heritage in general”, and by separate ministerial decrees published in the Official Government Gazette

    In 1924 CE, the Mount Athos Charter granted the mountain and its monasteries independence from Greece

    The only way to get into Athos is by ferry. It is absolutely forbidden to enter Athos through land (crossing the fence) or approaching from the sea with your own boat.

    Everybody, whether orthodox or not,
    must obtain a permit called a “Diamonitirion” to enter the Athos peninsula. Make a reservation up to six months in advance, the earlier the better.

    Languages: Greek (main language) English ("quite widely spoken") Bulgarian (in Zograf) Romanian (in Lakkoskiti and Prodromos) Russian (in St. Panteleimon) Serbian (in Hilandar)

    Stays on Mt Athos are officially limited to four days, so as to provide the opportunity to as many people as possible to visit the peninsula. Approximately 300,000 people ar
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    The monasteries of the monastic community are stauropegic; they are exempt from the authority of the local bishop and only report to the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople.





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    map of athos

    detailed map





    map of monasteries





    the deep south, between capes is the desert.

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    PRE- MONASTIC STATUS

    the myth and history gives strange data about Athos,

    written say was inhabited by Amazones, and was men excluded,

    Archaiology proves that Alexander the great at the top placed the biggest Fryktoria, to signals all Greece,

    Archaiology and written also provides us that some East parts were habitet by Kabeires, and Cybele followers, or Magna Mater in Romans

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybele

    besides at some older icons, mother Mary apears with a diadem like a city at her head.


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    Early Monastic era,

    mt Athos begining is divided to 2 eras,

    1 pre 963
    2 after Lavra era,

    963 is considered the day of Megisti (great) Laura estblishment.

    Christian monachism started at Egypt;s desert,
    after the expansion of Islam, Monks used to gather to other arid or desert areas,
    the primary target was Kappadokia (Cappadokia) in today Turkey, that days East Roman empire
    secondary was mt Athos,
    and third S Italy (Benedecto is possible one)

    so the pre 963 era is mainly by hermits who gather at the desert of Athos,
    with no organized to a community system,

    the foundation of Megisti Lavra.

    The Monastery of Great Lavra (Greek: Μονή Μεγίστης Λαύρας) is the first monastery built on Mount Athos. It is located on the southeastern foot of the Mount at an elevation of 160 metres (170 yd). The founding of the monastery in AD 963 by Athanasius the Athonite marks the beginning of the organized monastic life at Mount Athos. At the location of the monastery, there was one of the ancient cities of the Athos peninsula, perhaps Akrothooi, from which the sarcophagi of the monastery that are in the oil storage house come. The history of the monastery is the most complete compared to the history of the other monasteries, because its historical archives were preserved almost intact. It is possible that the study of these archives may contribute to the completion of the knowledge of the history of other monasteries, whose archives were partially or completely lost.

    The founder of Great Lavra, Athanasius, began the construction of the buildings in 963, according to the will of his friend and Byzantine EmperorNikephoros II Phokas who funded the project.[1] Nikephoros had promised Athanasius that he would soon become a monk of Great Lavra but the circumstances and his death canceled those plans. However, a permanent imperial grant, which was doubled by John I Tzimiskes, allowed the integration of the buildings.

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    Megisti Lavra the older monastery.

    entrance




    aerial photo




    photo from sea




    Great Lavra is the oldest, with a life of 1060 years,
    so there is not only one architecture.

    Inside yoy may see from ancient Greek elements, to Roman Persian aven Arabic and Late medieval to Gothic elements,
    that has to do with the era that buildings were build, donations, even era of reconstruction damaged sectors,

    the city structure follows typical of monasteries, which is nothing else than the older Greek Oikia/small palace, which evolute to Roman block of multihousing,
    you may say a Roman block, or a small fortified city,

    the 2 videos bellow show us the interior.







    Here is a 360 view walk of monastery.

    https://mountathos360.com/en/360/ier...gisths-lauras/

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    The thread title spokes about Byzantium
    but until today how much Byzantium did we see?
    All monasteries except religious relics have also other treasures.
    Megisti Lavra has a lot of secret treasures,
    only few are known,




    The crown of Nikephoros Phokas emperror.
    with his scepter,
    his dress
    his Evaggelion (bible)






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