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    Quote Originally Posted by matadworf View Post
    ”Murdering thugs of the Morea” pretty harsh characterization. There were atrocities on both sides but there was actually minimal bloodshed between Christians unlike the French Revolution. My family in the Morea fought to protect their villages and they yearned for autonomy religious or otherwise. Would you want an occupying force in your backyard?
    Yeah, right.

    What does the slaughter of Tripolitsa have to do with the spirit of Hellenism?

    Why should the rest of the Greeks carry this burden and shame of your pirate kingdom?

    And let's not even mention your bloody in-fighting feuds and your vendettas, killing each other for the spoils of war.

    Your people even threw your glorious war-leader, Kolokotronis, in the dungeon the moment he started disagreeing with the pirate clans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eupator View Post
    Yeah, right.

    What does the slaughter of Tripolitsa have to do with the spirit of Hellenism?

    Why should the rest of the Greeks carry this burden and shame of your pirate kingdom?

    And let's not even mention your bloody in-fighting feuds and your vendettas, killing each other for the spoils of war.

    Your people even threw your glorious war-leader, Kolokotronis, in the dungeon the moment he started disagreeing with the pirate clans.
    Hey you act like I’m somehow involved and or connected to the War of Independence. I’m a third generation US citizen(family arrived in the US around 1900) but pretty proud of my family history both here (US) and in Greece. Btw this historian’s view of the Peloponnese during the Revolution doesn’t align with yours.
    https://youtu.be/N0Piwn4GKvU

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    Quote Originally Posted by eupator View Post
    No, they couldn't but I am not sure what is the point you are trying to make?

    Could a Christian marry a Muslim in the rest of Europe, like in Austria-Hungary? Could there even be Muslims living next to Christians in Austria-Hungary (random example, extrapolate to other medieval european spaces of the time).

    Were there mosques in the rest of Europe next to churches like there were in the Ottoman Empire for Greeks and others?
    Get off the Greek flag,
    You are not Greek,

    !rst you did analyze in Greek.
    2nd your answer proves you are not Greek
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    ΑΤΗ ΛΑΜΒΑΝΕΙΝ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ
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    Divine blindness conquers them
    Hybris (abuse, opprombium) is born
    Nemesis and punishment follows.

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    Η τιμωρια δεν αργει.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eupator View Post
    yeah, right.

    What does the slaughter of tripolitsa have to do with the spirit of hellenism?

    Why should the rest of the greeks carry this burden and shame of your pirate kingdom?

    And let's not even mention your bloody in-fighting feuds and your vendettas, killing each other for the spoils of war.

    Your people even threw your glorious war-leader, kolokotronis, in the dungeon the moment he started disagreeing with the pirate clans.

    remove th greek flag from your profile,
    you are not greek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matadworf View Post
    Hey you act like I’m somehow involved and or connected to the War of Independence. I’m a third generation US citizen(family arrived in the US around 1900) but pretty proud of my family history both here (US) and in Greece. Btw this historian’s view of the Peloponnese during the Revolution doesn’t align with yours.
    https://youtu.be/N0Piwn4GKvU

    He is not Greek,

    He is a Turk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eupator View Post
    yeah, right.

    What does the slaughter of tripolitsa have to do with the spirit of hellenism?

    Why should the rest of the greeks carry this burden and shame of your pirate kingdom?

    And let's not even mention your bloody in-fighting feuds and your vendettas, killing each other for the spoils of war.

    Your people even threw your glorious war-leader, kolokotronis, in the dungeon the moment he started disagreeing with the pirate clans.

    turk
    remove the greek flag from your profile.

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    @eupator
    I'm not sure why you have such animosity towards certain Greek groups (at least that's the vibe I'm getting). Truthfully I'm all about Greek as a cultural identity not as a regional entity. I've said this before the only reason I mention Peloponnesians or mainlanders (in relation to genetics) is because that happens to be my region of origin. I have an interest in other parts of Greece, Anatolia, Black Sea region, etc. because they're all relevant and equally "Greek." So honestly there's really no reason to demean the "Morea" or any other part of Greece (mainland, Islands, Anatolia, etc.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    remove th greek flag from your profile,
    you are not greek.
    He might be a leftist or a communist. Hahaha. I guess the Americans did not finish them off in Gramoz slopes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    He might be a leftist or a communist. Hahaha. I guess the Americans did not finish them off in Gramoz slopes.


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    No, thre is not a chance, check all his writtings,

    it is easy toexclude the leftism,
    think how and what a Leftist is fighting for.

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    @ Eupator




    I live in a town build 1932 for non locals and exchnged population,
    at 1932 the population was 65 % Pontic people. Primary Fatsa Ordu caybasin Unye Riza Of Semen Giresun. and 5% from Sivas Kayseri (Sevasteia Kaisareia-Ceasaria)
    15% was Aromanians from today Severna Makedonia Albania Epirus-Greece
    10% are Thracians most from Constantinopolis tarafontan and the others from East Romylia today Bulgaria
    5 % were minor Asians from Magnesia -Manissa Kula tepe, Giolda basin and Philadelpheia modern Alasehir.

    before 20 years the town increase and the above was 65% adding 35% locals
    the last 20 years a countable population from Gerorgia came. and a small one permanent citizens from Albania Elbasan and Torres-people,
    my origins are before 1830 known as local on a mountain in Central Makedonia,
    yet my house (built by my father) is the heart of Pontic Greeks from Fatsa and Ordu and cay-basin
    I learn partially their dialect language, and dance, ..... ematha Horon ke na kalatzevo sto parakath ke sto muhampet (If you speak Rum)

    If you are one of them A Rum that stay back and not exchange to Greece, a muslim Rum,
    Then I am not the perfect guy to speak,

    I can Inform you where my limits are to every you want,
    I can even give you adresses for group that search Pontic history and push travel and friendship

    ALL I CAN SAY TO YOU,
    TREBIZOND EMPIRE FALL LAST TO ROMANS,
    TREBIZOND EMPIRE FALL LAST TO OTTOMANS


    I and most Greeks here can make dialogue, BUT you must reveil your true identity.


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    @ Eupator 2nd post,

    why I ask to remove Greek flag,

    plz watch the video min 0:27 to min 0:30 a girl with red t-shirt doing crap, can you understand what she is doing



    Actually NO

    1. is 3rd Bigeest Holly day in Rums the day that Mother Mary slept (died)
    2. it is like blue tzami or HayiaSofia, or even like a temple eaqual to the top 5 tzami of Islam for Greeks, It is Tenos island Mother Mary sleep church, the biggest celebrations.

    it is not a girl doing crap,
    It is an underaged Turkish girl ( later arrested but left Free) making the signal of grey wolfs, and threatens via TV that will cut our heads !!!!

    I am sure Greeks do such many times, and many Turks also, But for the eye of the Greeks or Turks it is easy to distinguish.



    Part 2

    the difference of Rum and Ottomans or Why Greeks Revolt,

    this a celbration of 3rd Holliest day of Rums in Turkey. the place manastiri Sumela, most foreigners Tourists with Rum origins, and offcourse Patriarcha Ecumenica. ANY OTHER OFFICIAL? any goverment representation?

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    Now lets see the same in Greece, Same Day, same Hours, church, not monasteri, of Sumela, mt Vermion, the icon is the icon of monastery



    WoW, Minister of Finance,miniister of N Greece, minister .... WoW 2nd party at parliament representatives, WoW 3rd party at parliament representatives, .... WoW chief head of Army, ..... Preferacture elected chairmen, Mayors, ... Who is with beard? .... Oh he is a European parliament member !!!!

    Eupator? why there was never an Ottoman officer at Rum Holly celebrations? since Ottoman care so much for Rums and gave them rights?



    Oh offcourse same day Horon,
    Hani ya da benim elli dirhem pastrmam pastırmam
    Konyalı’dan başkasına bastırmam yar yar
    Konyalım yürü, yürü yavrum yürü, aslan yarim yürü
    Aldattılar seni, vermediler beni

    this not somewhere in Turkey, but in Greece same day, late afternoon.

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    Rum does not mean slave, neither ic oglan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    !rst you did analyze in Greek.


    Check your inbox, you are not allowed to write in different languages on this board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eupator View Post
    Check your inbox, you are not allowed to write in different languages on this board.
    you are, if you also write them in English

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    The rise of Neo-Turk nationalism was a direct response to the creation of neo-Greek and other neo-Balkan nationalisms, as well as a response that rose to capitalize on Western (and Russian secondary) colonial involvement in the region.

    There are people on the internet that do nothing but spew hatred and racism (from both countries Greece and Turkey and of course the other Balkan nations) trying to drown all other opinions with their loudness and their "passion" (or so they think) but there's also a big number of us who want peace and progress and friendship recognizing our many common cultural bonds and shared history.

    The Greek nation is a small island on the brink of annihilation (like other Balkan nations also), the diaspora has consumed its people and children entirely and all that's left is the elderly and a very small minority of us trying to create some sort of prosperity among a sea of corruption, failed state economics and unemployment.

    If you think this the right way forward based on a false reading of history and a fake ideal of what the Greek ethnos really is, then there's not really much we can agree on for sure.

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    And since you seem obsessed with flags,

    this is what I consider my real national/ethnic flag:




    but there's no such option on this board so I had to pick from what's available.

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