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    Most of the Macedonian IA samples are from the North (Lake Ohrid) so how would they connect to Classical era Macedonians in the South (Pella,Pydna, Methoni). Don't know much about Macedon prior to 600 BC. I realize Macedon (during Classical pd) extended up to Illyrian border but Lake Ohrid would have been within the vicinity of Classical era Thracian Kingdom which extended pretty far West but what about prior to that during the Iron Age?

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    There seem to be as much as nearly G2a as J2a in those samples. I always assumed that J2a would dominate in Greece as much as R1b does in Italy and J2b in Illyria. The sample numbers is still a bit low.

    Let me check the genetic profile of those samples. Could be sample bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idontknowwhatimdoing View Post
    I was trying to isolate mainly their ancient Greek admix. You cannot use both ancient Slavic and Balkan samples together to model ancient Greek ancestry. It simply doesnt work. I explained why many times why.

    When you use Iron age balkan and and Medieval slavic or modern slavic samples to model Greeks sometimes it gives them just balkan instead of ancient Greek and other times it inflates the Slavic and gives no Balkan etc. It causes weird overfits. Even on qpAdm it causes high std errors so i need to use a proxy mixed between the 2.
    Modern samples are not a problem if they have the appropriate admixture.

    If i just use ancient samples on qpAdm to model ancient Greek ancestry then modern Greeks score 10% Mycenean since they require a proxy with higher CHG and Iran N than Anatolia BA. So all they get is Slavic + Anatolia BA + very little Mycenean. So if you keep insisting not to use modern samples that is what happens.

    I have no choice but to use Armenians as a general West Asian Anatolia/Caucasus proxy because they are kinda mixed with Anatolia/Caucasus/Mesolotamia and Serbian for Iron age Balkan and Medieval Slavic.
    I am sorry but just because the model messes up when you just use Mycenean+Slavic that does not mean that your current model is correct. Other scientists have made it work, why don't you ask them how they did it. Tell them that when you input their data into qpadmin you don't get the same results. Maybe they did something wrong or maybe you did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SandbagsIA View Post
    Except of course Pontic clades not being majorly represented among mainland modern Greeks and E-V13 been found across much of West Asia, including areas of ancient Greek colonization but not of strong Byzantine presence (such as the Levant and parts of the West Med)

    We also see it in droves in Iron Age and ancient Bulgaria, hard to think that it only arrived in northern Greece in the 1500s
    1) Pontic clades, what?

    2) The Vlach migrations are attested as early as the 10th and the 12th century in connection to Bulgarian presence also, not the 15th as you erroneously write.

    3) If E-V13 is primarly connected to Daco-Thracians, it makes sense that it would have expanded into Asia Minor also as early as antiquity, however that doesn't make it ancient Greek. My commentary had more to do with the medieval bloom of the grouping that would associate it better with Vlachs than Thracians of antiquity, but of course the latter cannot be excluded. I am perplexed, are Thracians considered to be ancient Greeks now? Just so I can understand where certain commentary stems from.

    I see Greek posters scrambling to damage control in connection to Macedonian and Thracian findings. Calm down, guys, it's just spitballin' at this stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    I am sorry but just because the model messes up when you just use Mycenean+Slavic that does not mean that your current model is correct. Other scientists have made it work, why don't you ask them how they did it. Tell them that when you input their data into qpadmin you don't get the same results. Maybe they did something wrong or maybe you did.
    I am not talking about Mycenaean + Slavic, obviously such a model is completely false, Greeks are not just Mycenaean + Slavic but they also Balkan admix. I said models with Mycenaean + Slavic + Balkan don't work on both G25 because it causes random overfit shifts and also on qpAdm causes high STD errors. Also Anatolian/Caucasus related proxies are a must.

    Also what other scientists? Their Mycenaean/empuries + Slavic models? Obviously unrealistic. Greeks also require an Anatolian/Caucasus proxy at least and still the model wouldn't be complete without estimating the Balkan ancestry too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Er Monnezza View Post
    Greek samples from the new Southern Arc paper

    Sample Date Analysis_Label Locality Country Lat. Long. Coverage Y-DNA mtDNA
    I14916 -1818 GRC_Minoan_Zakros_BA Crete, Zakros, Karaviadaina Greece 35,085833 26,247778 13,17% n/a (female) H
    I6420 -1547 GRC_Mycenaean_Lokris_BA Fthiotis, Lokris, Proskynas Greece 38,609 23,167 1,55% J ..
    I15582 -1516 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA Attica, Kolikrepi-Spata Greece 37,960919 23,939801 25,55% n/a (female) T2c1+146
    I13519 -1480 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37,026797 21,694586 2,12% F ..
    I14872 -1475 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA Attica, Kolikrepi-Spata Greece 37,960919 23,939801 2,32% n/a (female) HV
    I15571 -1467 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA Attica, Kolikrepi-Spata Greece 37,960919 23,939801 43,29% n/a (female) HV0a
    I16709 -1419 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA Attica, Kolikrepi-Spata Greece 37,960919 23,939801 15,29% J-Y14434 H5
    I13516 -1385 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37,026797 21,694586 6,81% n/a (female) J1c1
    I13510 -1328 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37,026797 21,694586 7,67% G-P287 H7
    I13517 -1328 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37,026797 21,694586 25,65% G-Z6494 ..
    I19366 -1328 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37,026797 21,694586 50,11% n/a (female) J1c+16261
    I13578 -1312 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38,399083 22,575 12,52% n/a (female) K1a2
    I13428 -1293 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38,399083 22,575 6,22% G-L30 H2
    I13579 -1266 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38,399083 22,575 18,01% J-Y14434 W1
    I13577 -1250 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38,399083 22,575 24,67% G-Z7016 T2c1d1
    I13536 -1250 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA_lc Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38,399083 22,575 0,46% n/a (female) ..
    I13531 -1250 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38,399083 22,575 2,23% n/a (female) U3b
    I13433 -1250 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38,399083 22,575 2,61% n/a (female) U3b1
    I13580 -1219 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38,399083 22,575 2,81% G-P287 K2b
    I13514 -1215 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37,026797 21,694586 76,28% n/a (female) K1c1
    I13513 -1215 GRC_BA_Mycenaean_lc Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37,026797 21,694586 0,47% n/a (sex unknown) ..
    I13532 -1193 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38,399083 22,575 1,36% n/a (female) U3b1b
    I13518 -1135 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37,026797 21,694586 81,11% R-PF7563 N1a1a1a3
    I13506 -1135 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA_father.or.son.I1 3518 Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37,026797 21,694586 20,12% R-M269 ..
    I19364 -1135 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37,026797 21,694586 12,16% R-M269 X
    I19368 -1010 GRC_Palace_of_Nestor_EIA Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37,026797 21,694586 10,73% n/a (female) U8b1a
    I17959 -650 GRC_Kastrouli_Anc Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38,399083 22,575 1,35% J J1c
    I17960 -650 GRC_Anc_lc Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38,399083 22,575 0,63% .. J1
    I17962 -644 GRC_Kastrouli_Anc Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38,399083 22,575 41,33% T-S27463 U8b1b
    I7833 340 GRC_Marathon_Rom Vranas Marathon Greece 38,122207 23,946392 80,92% T-CTS3767 H
    Well they are mostly Mycenaean samples. No samples from later eras? No samples from different Greek tribes? So the amateur speculation continues for another 10 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matadworf View Post
    Most of the Macedonian IA samples are from the North (Lake Ohrid) so how would they connect to Classical era Macedonians in the South (Pella,Pydna, Methoni). Don't know much about Macedon prior to 600 BC. I realize Macedon (during Classical pd) extended up to Illyrian border but Lake Ohrid would have been within the vicinity of Classical era Thracian Kingdom which extended pretty far West but what about prior to that during the Iron Age?
    Yeah, the Macedonians of classical antiquity were a pretty small tribe. Intermarriage with (remember Alexander the Great's father had 8 wives) and conquest of neighboring areas expanded their holdings tremendously. It would be nice to see some samples from their original domain and hopefully not of royal blood (because of intermarriage).

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    I am going to try to break down my original thought about Thracian E-V13 because my wording might have been too abstract.

    If E-V13 is a Thracian, and thus Dacian, marker then its great presence in modern Greek demographics has to do with the fact that the former have had great success in expanding over peninsular Greece, Vlachs being named as Dacians explicitly in historical accords, and also providing a good explanation for the big chunk of what is referred as "Paleo-Balkanic" admixture.

    Modern Greeks look to be as much Balkanic (Thracian or related), or at least in the ballpark, as the qpadm models suggested by poster idontknowhatiamdoing.

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    Look: Macedonians, Thessalians and Epirotes are into in Aegean Cluster. They could've had a bit more steppe than Ancient Peloponnesians in direction of (closer to) Sicilians but that is it. In the leaked PCA we had weeks or months ago this new Aegean Cluster overlaps the old one from 2017.


    Also most Anatolian Greek polises seem to be from Hellenistic era. I do not doubt that Ionians of Anatolia had Carian admixture but after the Alexander expansions many of those cities became major ports with new waves of Anatolians in there. Some were even abandoned during the Persian expansions. This is not the best representation I could think of. They should've left this topic for an other time.

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    We still don't have enough samples for different eras from Greece proper to definitely say anything except the Mycenaean era and the Mycenaean area and the Kastrouli area. The rest of eras and areas will be shrouded in darkness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eupator View Post
    I am going to try to break down my original thought about Thracian E-V13 because my wording might have been too abstract.

    If E-V13 is a Thracian, and thus Dacian, marker then its great presence in modern Greek demographics has to do with the fact that the former have had great success in expanding over peninsular Greece, Vlachs being named as Dacians explicitly in historical accords, and also providing a good explanation for the big chunk of what is referred as "Paleo-Balkanic" admixture.

    Modern Greeks look to be as much Balkanic (Thracian or related), or at least in the ballpark, as the qpadm models suggested by poster idontknowhatiamdoing.
    I think Slavs brought in Peloponnese and to a lesser extend Arvanites. I cannot rule some ancient assimilated Ancient Thracians.

    Goths in Iberia showed high E-V13 (25% to 30%) that they picked in the Balkans. Maybe the same will turn true in Peloponnese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SandbagsIA View Post
    Ydna is irrelevant to ethnicities, even in Albania as in most places you have a diversity of lineages. Balkan populations were always both structured genetically and interacted with each other, to claim that "Y chromosome=ethnicity" even betrays an ignorance of what the Y chromosome is or does. Of course, there were movements from southern Albania to parts of Greece in the 1300s and abouts, however Greece just like Albania (to use simplistic terms so you can understand it) always have assimilated people from other regions of the Balkans, and also to some extent Anatolia. Many Arvanites fought for the Greek cause in 1821, so it's clear they identified as a certain ethnicity.
    By your logic, any clade Mycenean samples have or will turn to have in the future automatically makes anyone north of Greece who has it Greek. It's obviously quite ridiculous.

    Furthermore, do consider that most E1b diversity in the ancient (IA at least) was in modern-day Bulgaria, not Albania yet E-V13 is a very common haplogroup among Albanians today, clearly distinct from your R1b so at what point does X haplogroup belong to one ethnicity or the other?


    On another note, about Illyrians and Macedonians and Thracians, if anyone reads ancient history we can quite clearly see Illyrians and Thracians being assimilated into ancient Greek culture, so did Anatolian peoples like Carians in Anatolia, in fact even the mother of the Athenian statesman Themistocles was likely of Thracian descent. Kimon is also supposed to descent from a Thracian king. The new paper even showed Myceneans as varying in Steppe ancestry so it's clear that cultural affiliation did not always closely follow genetics, even though most ancient Greeks likely had a Mycenean baseline of low Steppe, which would have been higher up north.
    You still don’t get it, I am not sure why?
    I never said this: to claim that "Y chromosome=ethnicity"

    I said this:

    The questions of identity and ethnicity depends on "which Y-DNA branch?" and "when?". In my case, if when = now, I'd say an Albanian in naturalization process to become US citizen. If when = 1800 on my paternal line, I'd say an Albanian Highlander from Laberia. If when = 1000 then a highlander from Malesia e Madhe. In the Roman era, somewhere in the western Balkans. If 6,000 years ago somewhere in Ukraine. And if when = 70,000 years ago or before, then my ancestors were African hunter-gatherers, like all of us.

    So basically, my line has been part of the Yamnaya Culture, part of Paleo Balkans Culture, than Albanian, and now American. “When” defines at what time my ancestors have been part of each culture based on their y- DNA.A different y-DNA will have a different path through cultures and History.

    Now sub-branches of My Dna might show up in Greece and now they are part of the Greek Culture and/or Ethnicity. But when the spilt from our common ancestor 500 years ago they were part of the Albanian culture and Ethnicity.

    This is my last post for this. I am surprised that you don’t understand it, if you had searched for your ancestors, this is the first thing you will realize.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eupator View Post
    I am going to try to break down my original thought about Thracian E-V13 because my wording might have been too abstract.

    If E-V13 is a Thracian, and thus Dacian, marker then its great presence in modern Greek demographics has to do with the fact that the former have had great success in expanding over peninsular Greece, Vlachs being named as Dacians explicitly in historical accords, and also providing a good explanation for the big chunk of what is referred as "Paleo-Balkanic" admixture.

    Modern Greeks look to be as much Balkanic (Thracian or related), or at least in the ballpark, as the qpadm models suggested by poster idontknowhatiamdoing.
    I think we've seen enough from ancient dna to know that drawing big conclusions about the relationship between yDna and autosomal composition is extremely problematic.

    The carriers of that y line might have provided some important service which spread their yDna but not necessarily all that much autosomal dna.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eupator View Post
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    3) If E-V13 is primarly connected to Daco-Thracians, it makes sense that it would have expanded into Asia Minor also as early as antiquity, however that doesn't make it ancient Greek.
    It is fair to say that the Greek ethnos is ever evolving. I think you fail to see that by your standards many Ancient Greeks would not qualify as Greek. This perspective does not do historical justice. In that case we would have to speak of Homer being Achaean+Carrian, and Phillip of Macedon being Achaean+paleo-Balkan. Just to cherry pick some hypothetical examples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianatomia View Post
    It is fair to say that the Greek ethnos is ever evolving.

    I agree with your take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    We still don't have enough samples for different eras from Greece proper to definitely say anything except the Mycenaean era and the Mycenaean area and the Kastrouli area. The rest of eras and areas will be shrouded in darkness.
    Completely agree. Like what accounts for E-V13 in places where Vlachs and Albanians didn’t migrate to, or did in small numbers perhaps? Hopefully new studies will start coming out (but not counting on it). Biomuse has ancient and medieval Greek samples.

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    All ethnicities are constantly evolving. Look at France and even Sweden. Look at the U.S. It's a rather banal view of Greek history.

    It doesn't change the fact that much as some of you would like to deny it, people on the outskirts of Mycenaean and Classical Era Greek civilization may have absorbed the culture, but their genetics were different, and the people of the Greek mainland and perhaps particularly the Greek islands, carry more of their ancestry than the people of those peripheral regions. It's just fact, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eupator View Post
    I am going to try to break down my original thought about Thracian E-V13 because my wording might have been too abstract.

    If E-V13 is a Thracian, and thus Dacian, marker then its great presence in modern Greek demographics has to do with the fact that the former have had great success in expanding over peninsular Greece, Vlachs being named as Dacians explicitly in historical accords, and also providing a good explanation for the big chunk of what is referred as "Paleo-Balkanic" admixture.

    Modern Greeks look to be as much Balkanic (Thracian or related), or at least in the ballpark, as the qpadm models suggested by poster idontknowhatiamdoing.

    I fully understand what you mean, just as I fully understand the association between Illyrians and J2b-L283. Undoubtedly, especially between the late Bronze Age and early Iron Age, there will be markers more frequent than others in the various ethnic groups, but for me it is still wrong to attribute an ethnic identity to uniparental markers that were formed long before the Iron Age ethnic groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralphie Boy View Post
    Completely agree. Like what accounts for E-V13 in places where Vlachs and Albanians didn’t migrate to, or did in small numbers perhaps? Hopefully new studies will start coming out (but not counting on it). Biomuse has ancient and medieval Greek samples.
    We have relarively recent archaeological findings of some big sites that have helped historians shed some light to the time around the end of “Greek dark age” (750BCE). We are talking about Doric settlements. Here is a particularly interesting Cretan one.
    https://mae.uoc.gr/el/
    https://www.thetoc.gr/politismos/art...a-omirika-epi/

    I hope there is dna that can be salvaged from those burials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    I fully understand what you mean, just as I fully understand the association between Illyrians and J2b-L283. Undoubtedly, especially between the late Bronze Age and early Iron Age, there will be markers more frequent than others in the various ethnic groups, but for me it is still wrong to attribute an ethnic identity to uniparental markers that were formed long before the Iron Age ethnic groups.
    Sorry, out of juice, but completely agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralphie Boy View Post
    Completely agree. Like what accounts for E-V13 in places where Vlachs and Albanians didn’t migrate to, or did in small numbers perhaps? Hopefully new studies will start coming out (but not counting on it). Biomuse has ancient and medieval Greek samples.
    Greek Thracians and Macedonians seem to have higher I2a and R1a than E-V13.

    E-V13 is around 25% in Peloponnese. But in other parts of Greece we don't have much data.
    I doubt this line is dominant as it seems.

    J2a's decrease seem to be a production of multiply migrations not just E-V13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matadworf View Post
    Most of the Macedonian IA samples are from the North (Lake Ohrid) so how would they connect to Classical era Macedonians in the South (Pella,Pydna, Methoni). Don't know much about Macedon prior to 600 BC. I realize Macedon (during Classical pd) extended up to Illyrian border but Lake Ohrid would have been within the vicinity of Classical era Thracian Kingdom which extended pretty far West but what about prior to that during the Iron Age?
    I don't know why people expected otherwise. Look at Alexander the Great. His mother was Epirote, his grandmother was Illyrian or from Lynkestis (these people here). 75% of his DNA came near or from the territory of modern Albania. So why is it a surprise that his countrymen clustered with Iron Age Albania?

    No one denies that Macedonians, at least Upper (western) Macedonians, absorbed or converted Illyrians within it. Even in Greek history, the legendary ethos of Macedonians is 3 brothers travelled from Greece through Illyria.

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    I love thought.co's little historical summaries about the Balkans. They're always succinct and to the point.

    "The Illyrians carried on commerce and warfare with their neighbors. The ancient Macedonians probably had some Illyrian roots, but their ruling class adopted Greek cultural characteristics"

    This is a view shared by many historians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralphie Boy View Post
    Completely agree. Like what accounts for E-V13 in places where Vlachs and Albanians didn’t migrate to, or did in small numbers perhaps? Hopefully new studies will start coming out (but not counting on it). Biomuse has ancient and medieval Greek samples.
    After Late Bronze Age/Early Iron Age there is archaeological record of Eastern Urnfielders reaching Greece, especially Eastern Greece. Kapitan Andreevo E-V13 samples archaeologically are considered Eastern Hallstattian. And isn't it a surprise those remains in pits are not even regular burials, but irregular, because the common people cremated their deaths. These are the same people who archaeologists classified them as Balkan-Carpathian cultural complex and participated in the so called Aegean migrations during Late Bronze Age/Early Iron Age. They were one of the earliest massive iron producers. The Naue II sword of the type Reutlingen was their invention and weapon of choice.

    The admixture of Barbarian-Ware/Knobbed-Ware was discussed for decades, Eastern Urnfielders/Eastern Hallstattians. https://www.jstor.org/stable/501689

    There is a problem though, these people preferred cremation during Early Iron Age, we need some Classical Greek samples, more of it to make sense, if E-V13 appears then that will be totally clarified. If not, then it is what it is.

    One E-L618/E-V13 already appears in one Ancient Macedonian site:

    Isar Marvinci, V. Marvinci-Valandovo, Southwest Necropolis
    Excavations were carried out from 2008 to 2012 under the auspices of the Cultural Heritage
    Protection Office and the Museum of Macedonia. Due to its long-term use stretching over
    several periods this necropolis comprised both inhumation and cremation graves of which 3500
    were investigated. They were of different manufacture such as stone cist tombs, simple
    rectangular pits, burials under small tumuli, burials in rock chambers, in urns, and free cremation
    burials (Fig. S 19).
    During Mycenean times cremation burials were almost non-existent.

    At the end, i wouldn't be surprised if E-V13 is solely Thracian Y-DNA, ancient authors considered them to be the most numerous people in ancient Europe along with Gallo-Celtic people.

    At the end, we need to ask ourselves, the Urnfield Culture affected the South/East Balkans heavily, and there must have been a mediator to do so. If not E-V13, then it must have been some other lineage. But, to my knowledge no other Y-DNA or subclade of it fulfills better than E-V13 that requirement. As for Arvanites and Vlachs, that argument is not so convincing to me, how come people that barely reach 15-20% of E-V13 contribute to 20-30% of E-V13 country-wise?! Peloponessus has even more of it.

    If, this theory holds water, then the initial Barbarian-Ware/Eastern Urnfielder invaders, during classical age were Hellenized and incorporated into the Hellenic Culture by the recovering Mycenaean descendants. More Classical Age samples will settle this down once and forever.

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