damn didnt notice thanks
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damn didnt notice thanks
My results from coordinates from Jovialis posts #528 and 548 above.
Target Distance Minoan_Odigitria Minoan_Petras Yamnaya_Samara PalermoTrapani_ANCESTRY 2.79917725 • 36.5 40.8 22.7 Average 2.79917725 • 36.5 40.8 22.7
Target Distance Minoan_Lasithi Minoan_Odigitria Minoan_Petras Yamnaya_Samara PT_G25_Ancestry_simulated_scaled_DodK12 0.00757177 • 19.4 36.8 22.7 21.1 Average 0.00757177 • 19.4 36.8 22.7 21.1
The conclusion of the authors is clearly stated in the paper and is contrary to what you claimed. The statements you quoted as supporting your false conclusion were provided by the authors as context i.e. how the question was analyzed in the past, not the results of the genetic analysis which was the subject of the paper itself. These are the kinds of games that media outlets play in order to get away with libel.
So, if your claim is that you didn't deliberately misrepresent the results, i.e. you knew they didn't actually support your conclusion, then either you didn't read the "whole" paper, where the genetics over time are analyzed, or you weren't intelligent enough to understand what it said.
Which is it?
If you didn't read the whole paper carefully it's negligence, while if you didn't understand it, you're not intelligent enough to be posting about genetics papers. Do you prefer that I draw those conclusions?
Non si fa il proprio dovere perchè qualcuno ci dica grazie, lo si fa per principio, per se stessi, per la propria dignità. Oriana Fallaci
PCA using modern academic West Eurasians as a source (not projected), with a projection of the new HO samples along with all modern Ancient Greek samples, and Yamnaya_Samara.
Multi with Yamnaya_Samara omitted from the source:
Yamnaya_SamaraCode:Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021,2.02,0.51,1.68,0.46,32.46,23.57,0,0.25,7.97,0,30.09,1 Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021,7.05,1.16,0.26,0,31.18,28.21,0,0.13,4.25,0.92,24.07,2.77 Helladic_Manika_EBA:Mik15:Clemente_2021,0,0,5.75,0.07,41.42,0.91,0,0.03,13.26,0.69,35.94,1.94 Cycladic_Koufonisi_EBA:Kou01:Clemente_2021,0.13,0,2.62,0,36.59,0.3,0,0,13.35,0.53,45.02,1.45 Cycladic_Koufonisi_EBA:Kou03:Clemente_2021,4.64,0,2.77,0,32.51,1.12,0,0,11.34,0.32,45.28,2.02 Greece_N:Klei10:Hofmanova_2016,0,0,2.1,0.17,46.06,0,0,0,14.18,0,35.73,1.76 Greece_N:Pal7:Hofmanova_2016,0,0,4.41,0.01,47.42,0,0,0,13.07,0.67,32.97,1.44 Greece_N:Rev5:Hofmanova_2016,0,0,4.74,0,48.42,0,0,0,12.15,0.13,33.21,1.35 Greece_N:I2937:Lazaridis_2017,0,0,2.55,1.31,44.77,0,0,0,12.74,0,36.69,1.95 Greece_N:I5427:Mathieson_2018,0,0,2.49,0,48.75,0,0,0,14.27,0,33.81,0.67 Greece_N:I2318:Mathieson_2018,0,0,3.07,0,44.19,0,0,0,13.34,0,39.27,0.13 Greece_N:I3708:Mathieson_2018,0,0.11,4.14,0,44.52,0,0,0.08,15.81,0,35.15,0.18 Greece_N:I3709:Mathieson_2018,0,0,2.84,0.05,41.04,0,0,0,13.53,0,41.5,1.04 Greece_N:I3920:Mathieson_2018,0.45,0,4.53,0.27,35.93,1.27,0,0,15.22,0,41.57,0.76 Minoan_Lasithi:I0070:Lazaridis_2017,0,0,0.62,0.55,37.53,0,0,0,15.52,0,45.7,0.09 Minoan_Lasithi:I0071:Lazaridis_2017,1.16,0,2.96,0,37.9,0.23,0,0,13.01,0,44.59,0.15 Minoan_Lasithi:I0073:Lazaridis_2017,0,0.05,2.92,0.4,36.38,0,0,0,13.48,0,46.7,0.07 Minoan_Lasithi:I0074:Lazaridis_2017,0.58,0,4.33,0,39.44,0,0,0,12.45,0,43.19,0 Minoan_Lasithi:I9005:Lazaridis_2017,1.52,0,5.68,0,37.33,0,0,0,16.14,0,39.25,0.08 Minoan_Odigitria:I9127:Lazaridis_2017,0,0,0,0,40.33,0,0,1.41,8.2,0,50.06,0 Minoan_Odigitria:I9128:Lazaridis_2017,6.38,2.36,3.13,0,48.96,0,0,0,14.8,1.02,23.34,0 Minoan_Odigitria:I9129:Lazaridis_2017,0,0,4.55,0,44.82,0,0,0,13.21,0,37.43,0 Minoan_Odigitria:I9130:Lazaridis_2017,1.38,0,0.19,0,41.77,0,0,0.28,17.61,0,38.77,0 Minoan_Odigitria:I9131:Lazaridis_2017,5.16,0,0,0,36.32,0,0,0,19.19,0,39.01,0.33 Minoan_Petras_EBA:Pta08:Clemente_2021,0,0,3.85,0.33,34.73,0.38,0.14,0.05,14.68,0.48,43.65,1.72 NE_Iberia_Hel_(Empúries2):I8205:Olalde_2019,1.2,0,2.31,0,22.09,16.57,0,0,20.72,2.25,34.86,0 NE_Iberia_Hel_(Empúries2):I8208:Olalde_2019,0.47,0,4.06,0,36.68,5.45,0,0,12.64,0,40.71,0 Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017,5.02,0,5.95,0,40.19,14.38,0,0,10.66,0,23.79,0 Mycenaean:I9006:Lazaridis_2017,3.38,0,1.25,0,36.32,5.47,0,0,7.73,1.07,44.26,0.51 Mycenaean:I9010:Lazaridis_2017,0,0,3.66,1.15,38.24,6.6,0.59,0.65,13.92,0,35.19,0 Mycenaean:I9033:Lazaridis_2017,1.55,1.33,2.36,0,39.11,8.61,2.19,0,7.76,0,34.35,2.74 Mycenaean:I9041:Lazaridis_2017,3.15,0,2.41,0,37.19,8.87,0,0,10.69,0,37.17,0.52 GRC_Anc_lc:I17960,5.36,0,0,0,42.92,4.68,0,4.95,17.09,0,25,0 GRC_BA_Mycenaean_lc:I13513_d,31.26,0,7.84,0,37.36,0,0,0,0,0,16.51,7.03 GRC_Kastrouli_Anc:I17959,0,0,8.54,0,41.76,4.79,0.66,0,6.3,0,31.75,6.21 GRC_Kastrouli_Anc:I17962,0.06,0,3.38,0,34.64,9.52,0,0,13.96,0,38.41,0.03 GRC_Marathon_Rom:I7833,10.29,0,1.72,1.05,19.47,7.73,0,0.21,17.41,0.01,41.68,0.42 GRC_Minoan_Zakros_BA:I14916,0,0,3.51,0,31.15,0,2.37,0,12.57,0,49.61,0.8 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I14872,0,0,0,0,47.61,16.94,0,0,20.45,0,15,0 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15571,0,0,1.64,0,35.27,6.83,0.7,0.15,13.84,0,41.49,0.07 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582,4.53,0,0.92,0,37.27,7.66,0,0,14.58,0,33.89,1.15 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I16709,0.19,0,0.01,0,37.3,9.73,0,0.7,10.32,0,41.76,0 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA_lc:I13536_d,20.92,0.52,0,0,58.77,0,0,5.31,6.03,0.33,8.13,0 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13428,0,0,1.84,1.71,36.38,12.43,0,0,12.93,0,33.33,1.38 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13433,13.68,0,9,0,44.13,3.91,0,0,3.36,0,25.92,0 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13531,1.13,0,0,0,41.42,8.5,0,0,24.65,0,24.31,0 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13532,12.5,3.41,0,0,44.31,10.13,0,0,15.75,0.83,13.08,0 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577,2.53,0,2.04,0,33.85,13.18,0,0,9.85,0,38.55,0 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13578,0,0,0.53,1.29,36.65,11.19,0,0,13.64,0,36.7,0 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13579,0,0,6.05,0,39.89,8.35,0,0,9.11,0.68,35.54,0.38 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13580,0,0,0,1.88,39.34,13.06,3.84,0.49,9.46,0,31.93,0 GRC_Mycenaean_Lokris_BA:I6420_d,9.95,0,0,0,25.98,2.98,8.46,0,10.77,0,41.85,0 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA_father.or.son.I13518:I13506_d,0.42,0,4.22,0,37.3,10.96,0,0,12.06,0,33.29,1.75 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13510,1.92,0,2.31,0,25.3,4.43,0,0.75,13.83,0,50.95,0.51 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13514,0.95,0.27,1.01,0,36.38,9.69,0,0,14.02,0.44,36.97,0.28 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13516,0,0,0.29,0,36.62,7.11,0,0,10.35,0,45.62,0 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13517_d,5.93,0,1.29,0,29.47,8.9,0,1.56,11.07,0.47,40.66,0.66 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13518,1.94,0,3.13,0,34.67,11.03,0,0.24,10.94,0,37.88,0.17 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13519_d,4.35,0,0.06,0,21.58,9.83,0,0,9.52,0,54.65,0 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19364,1.47,0.43,0,0,43.97,3.16,2.4,1.03,9.64,0,37.9,0 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19366,3.12,0,1.75,1.41,30.86,7.95,0,0,14.35,0,40.57,0 GRC_Palace_of_Nestor_EIA:I19368,5.03,0,3.65,0,27.74,15.8,0,0,7.46,0,39.85,0.48 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I17878,7.68,0,2.45,0.39,42.04,4.78,0,0,15.54,0,27.11,0 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I17879,10.6,0.42,0,0,33.53,0,12.83,0,18.24,0,24.39,0 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I17881,8.56,0,10.82,1.79,35.00,0,0,0,8.36,6.78,28.69,0 Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I17884,13.72,0,5.57,0,31.10,5.86,0,0,12.13,0,31.61,0 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I17887,6.04,0,2.01,0,48,1.93,0,0.5,0,0,41.51,0 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I20160,0,3.56,0,0,48.09,6.29,0,0,0,0,40.21,1.85 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I20161,8.17,0,0,0,48.11,0.15,0,0,18.81,5.19,19.56,0 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I20162,0.54,4.57,4.04,0,38.38,6.06,1.58,1.42,12.16,0,31.24,0 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I20163,0,0,1.01,0,44.03,15.69,0,0,9.47,0,25.85,3.95 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I20166,1.3,0,2.27,0,24.86,17.92,0,0,13.05,0,40.39,0.21 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I20167,25.91,2.37,0,0,32.61,10.08,0,0,2.47,0,26.56,0 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I20168,3.15,0,5.53,0,27.61,10.89,1.03,0,8.76,5.28,37.74,0 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I7217,3.47,0,3.7,1.5,36.68,8.46,0,0,10.54,0,34.73,0.93 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I7218,1.53,0.56,1.25,0,38.25,9.27,0,0.74,13.01,0.56,33.99,0.85 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I7219,0,0,2.62,0,34.85,9.15,0,0,11.07,0.18,40.95,1.18 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I7221,3.06,0.08,1.62,0.41,29.82,7.16,0,0,11.3,0.78,44.15,1.62 Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223,0.26,0.14,2.97,0.87,41.92,13.23,0.2,0,10.42,0,28.22,1.77 Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7224,0.86,0,2.28,0.62,37.93,12.11,1.09,0,9.92,0,33.83,1.36 Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225,0.92,0,2.71,0.52,43.93,8.64,0,0,7.8,0.99,33.38,1.1 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432,0,0.13,3.96,1.03,47.81,6.96,0,0,8.93,0.32,29.64,1.22 Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I17866,1.68,0,1.94,0,32.63,9.06,0,0,13.94,0.50,39.80,0.44 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10952,0.81,0,3.09,0.31,35.29,10.84,0,0,10.74,0,37.6,1.32 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10948,2.23,0,3.8,0.53,38.48,7.24,0.06,0,12.5,0.59,33.38,1.19 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10945,3.57,0.02,3.49,0,34.37,8.7,1.25,0,9.75,0.51,37.33,1
Code:Yamnaya_Samara:I0231:Mathieson_2015,29.21,3.13,0,0,3.94,57.21,2.44,0,0,0,3.33,0.75 Yamnaya_Samara:I0357:Mathieson_2015,30.56,1.4,0,0,7.38,54.65,1.41,0,0,0,4.49,0.12 Yamnaya_Samara:I0370:Mathieson_2015,30.97,3.96,0,0,4.88,57.16,0.12,0,0,0,1.92,0.99 Yamnaya_Samara:I0429:Mathieson_2015,28.47,1.92,0,0,3.71,62.57,0.96,0.21,0,0,1.45,0.7 Yamnaya_Samara:I0438:Mathieson_2015,26.82,1.54,0,0.39,0.6,60.83,1.8,0,0,0,7.77,0.25 Yamnaya_Samara:I0439:Mathieson_2015,24.1,0.47,0,0.94,8.87,55.96,2.12,0,0,0,7.16,0.37 Yamnaya_Samara:I0441:Mathieson_2015,33.85,2.03,0,0.21,1.48,59.11,2.63,0,0,0,0,0.69 Yamnaya_Samara:I0443:Mathieson_2015,29.61,2.46,0,0,3.67,58.66,0.07,0,0,0,4.84,0.69 Yamnaya_Samara:I0444:Mathieson_2015,29.41,1.68,0,0,6.52,59.52,0.6,0.02,0,0,1.07,1.19
Iron age greeks seem even more similar to modern southern italians and Cycladic inhabitants and appear a bit more north shifted on the PCA: maybe the interaction both with the doric and anatolian world brought a little bit more EHG and CHG admixture? Just some random thoughts looking at the above PCA.
I wonder if the Helladic_Logkas sample could be seen as a proxy for proto-oscan-like ancestry
Last edited by Francesco; 03-11-22 at 18:37.
Based on Jovialis set (post #556)
Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè 5.70363919 Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021 8.03052925 Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 12.87863735 Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017 14.96215894 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I20163 15.09736401 Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223 15.74680920 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13580 15.90255954 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13428 16.05556601 Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7224 17.00930922 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA_father.or.son.I1 3518:I13506_d 17.33531655 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577 17.86014278 GRC_Palace_of_Nestor_EIA:I19368 18.56199881 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13518 18.68982343 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I7218 18.78719777 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10952 18.82408032 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13578 18.92371792 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I7217 19.09835071 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I20166 19.58297730 Mycenaean:I9033:Lazaridis_2017 19.83113965 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10945 19.83989163 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13514 19.87338924 Mycenaean:I9041:Lazaridis_2017 19.88636216 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582 20.07192567 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10948 20.29479983 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I20168 20.74404011 NE_Iberia_Hel_(Empúries2):I8205:Olalde_2019
Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 0.9396% / 0.93959741 | ADC: 0.25x RC66.6 Helladic_Logkas_MBA 13.0 Armenoi_Crete 12.2 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA 8.2 Yamnaya_Samara
Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 0.9166% / 0.9166330256.3 Helladic_Logkas_MBA 13.7 Armenoi_Crete 13.2 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA 10.1 Yamnaya_Samara 5.4 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA 1.3 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc
Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè 3.06750376 79.60% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223 + 20.40% Yamnaya_Samara:I0438:Mathieson_2015 3.48007308 76.60% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 23.40% GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13531 3.60798990 77.00% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223 + 23.00% Yamnaya_Samara:I0439:Mathieson_2015 3.84502320 79.40% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223 + 20.60% Yamnaya_Samara:I0443:Mathieson_2015 3.84723771 80.40% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223 + 19.60% Yamnaya_Samara:I0429:Mathieson_2015 3.93460142 85.40% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021 + 14.60% GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13532 4.08822047 69.00% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 31.00% GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13428 4.17124974 75.80% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 24.20% Mycenaean:I9010:Lazaridis_2017 4.20626053 70.60% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 29.40% GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA_father.or.son.I1 3518:I13506_d 4.21908645 79.40% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223 + 20.60% Yamnaya_Samara:I0231:Mathieson_2015 4.24733767 64.00% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 36.00% Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017 4.28886555 68.00% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 32.00% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223 4.30920142 81.20% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 18.80% Greece_N:I3708:Mathieson_2018 4.34181248 73.00% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 27.00% GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13578 4.36813518 79.80% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223 + 20.20% Yamnaya_Samara:I0444:Mathieson_2015 4.38385392 73.00% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 27.00% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I7218 4.44805889 65.20% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021 + 34.80% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 4.45208663 74.40% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 25.60% GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13514 4.48517187 74.60% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 25.40% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10948 4.49404327 78.60% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223 + 21.40% Yamnaya_Samara:I0357:Mathieson_2015 4.49481895 86.40% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021 + 13.60% GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I14872 4.49613028 75.40% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 24.60% GRC_Kastrouli_Anc:I17962 4.54011291 82.00% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 18.00% Minoan_Odigitria:I9130:Lazaridis_2017 4.54865499 79.80% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223 + 20.20% Yamnaya_Samara:I0370:Mathieson_2015 4.56255915 74.60% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 25.40% GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582
no where near me
Distance to: Torziok12b
13.78342097 Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021
15.00850116 Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021
16.01977216 Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017
17.85823620 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I20163
19.44357477 Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223
20.84526325 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13580
21.86613820 Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7224
22.26714171 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13428
23.09377838 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA_father.or.son.I1 3518:I13506_d
23.50153186 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I14872
23.82265308 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577
24.11690486 GRC_Palace_of_Nestor_EIA:I19368
24.28304553 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13532
24.61253542 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I7218
24.73625679 Mycenaean:I9033:Lazaridis_2017
24.74051131 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I7217
25.04725933 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13518
25.21423011 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10952
25.28458028 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13578
25.28884932 Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225
25.72402768 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582
25.74470431 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10948
25.83917955 Mycenaean:I9041:Lazaridis_2017
25.94860883 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10945
26.07406758 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I20166
Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 2.9285% / 2.92845448
33.5 Yamnaya_Samara
22.8 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA
22.0 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med
21.0 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc
0.7 Helladic_Logkas_MBA
Fathers mtdna ...... T2b17
Grandfather paternal mtdna ... T1a1e
Sons mtdna ...... K1a4p
Mothers line ..... R1b-S8172
Grandmother paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
Wife paternal line ..... R1a-PF6155
"Fear profits man, nothing"
Here are my results with Yamnaya_Samara included.
PCA made with PAST software, using the Dodecad K12b coordinates.
^^I exist in the range of Southern Italy, Central Italy, the Peloponnese, and almost in the Cyclades.
My model using coordinates from post #556 (thanks Jovialis)
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Jovialis, I don't see Himera hoplite 480 BC Battle 110946.
Not my "best" collection of ancient sources in terms of fit, but...
Distance to: Angela 8.79353740 Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017 8.89120914 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I20163 9.44240435 Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223 10.83918355 Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021 11.13374151 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13580 12.13746267 Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7224 13.71234116 Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 13.95851711 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13428 13.97269480 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA_father.or.son.I1 3518:I13506_d 14.17348934 Mycenaean:I9033:Lazaridis_2017 14.29946852 Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 15.18984200 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I7218 15.25060982 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I7217 15.72241712 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 15.76320399 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13579 15.83432979 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577 16.01564235 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10948 16.17007112 Mycenaean:I9041:Lazaridis_2017 16.32866192 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10952 16.43740855 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13518 16.63677853 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13578 16.96022995 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582 17.02822069 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10945 17.07667708 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I20162 17.52376387 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13514
Closest population to Armenoi Crete: I can see why Lazaridis thought the sample might have been partly or fully "foreign".
Closest population to Himera 120163
Distance to: Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017 5.53201591 French_Corsica 9.91419185 Italian_Tuscany 10.30954412 Italian_Romagna 10.34666613 Italian_Liguria 10.58752096 Italian_Emilia 10.72514820 Italian_Marche 11.28459126 Italian_Umbria 11.86670131 Italian_Lazio 12.55721307 Italian_Lombardy 13.45603210 Italian_Piedmont 14.60639586 Spanish_Canarias 14.74098029 Italian_Abruzzo 14.82734973 Italian_Veneto 15.44883814 Italian_Molise 15.99574631 Italian_Campania 16.13880456 Swiss_Italian 16.21161004 Portuguese 16.34587104 Italian_Sicily 16.63360153 Italian_Basilicata 16.96006486 Spanish_Castilla-Leon 17.07478843 Italian_Friuli_VG 17.11421339 Spanish_Baleares 17.41238065 Albanian 17.51260118 Italian_Trentino 17.63067214 Spanish_Valencia
Distance to: Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I20163 8.05290631 French_Corsica 11.97538726 Italian_Tuscany 12.07434470 Italian_Liguria 12.28813656 Italian_Emilia 12.85750753 Italian_Lombardy 13.08214050 Italian_Romagna 14.16025070 Italian_Umbria 14.20417770 Italian_Marche 14.94211832 Italian_Piedmont 15.53554312 Italian_Lazio 15.82009482 Italian_Veneto 16.01502927 Swiss_Italian 16.04906851 Sardinian 17.70109319 Spanish_Canarias 17.70549915 Italian_Trentino 17.75717883 Spanish_Baleares 17.99368500 Spanish_Castilla-Leon 18.23154958 Portuguese 18.26533055 Spanish_Valencia 18.35561222 Italian_Friuli_VG 18.66447428 Italian_Abruzzo 18.76057302 Italian_Molise 19.08213562 Spanish_Andalusia 19.14226476 Albanian 19.24776091 Italian_Aosta_Valley
Closest population to soldier 17223
Distance to: Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223 7.64100124 French_Corsica 12.37324937 Italian_Tuscany 12.42813679 Italian_Marche 12.43657509 Italian_Romagna 12.95873836 Italian_Umbria 13.19374094 Italian_Liguria 13.25838225 Italian_Emilia 13.94157452 Italian_Lazio 14.84614765 Italian_Lombardy 15.66525135 Italian_Molise 15.78862249 Italian_Abruzzo 16.13977075 Italian_Campania 16.67125970 Italian_Piedmont 16.85838664 Sardinian 17.26569431 Italian_Sicily 17.39979885 Italian_Veneto 18.01935071 Italian_Basilicata 18.02502427 Albanian 18.39592890 Italian_Calabria 18.47916293 Swiss_Italian 18.50314568 Greek_Athens 18.54495349 Italian_Apulia 18.66551901 Ashkenazi_Jew 18.74542611 Greek_Central 19.42878792 Greek_Thrace
So, my closest matches are not the Mycenaean like Himera samples.
Should Corsica be analyzed the way Sardinia is, as harboring very ancient like Mediterranean genomes?
Target: Angela
Distance: 3.3004% / 3.30036850 | ADC: 0.25x RC38.6 Helladic_Logkas_MBA 22.9 Armenoi_Crete 17.9 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc 17.2 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med 3.4 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA_lc
Closest population to Himera 117432:
Distance to: Angela 3.60040894 52.60% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 47.40% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 4.00112251 78.80% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 21.20% Yamnaya_Samara:I0439:Mathieson_2015 4.24346426 81.20% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 18.80% Yamnaya_Samara:I0438:Mathieson_2015 4.43098251 81.60% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 18.40% Yamnaya_Samara:I0429:Mathieson_2015 4.57583367 81.00% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 19.00% Yamnaya_Samara:I0443:Mathieson_2015 4.67503190 81.00% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 19.00% Yamnaya_Samara:I0444:Mathieson_2015 4.68577070 83.20% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 + 16.80% Yamnaya_Samara:I0444:Mathieson_2015 4.70055766 78.80% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021 + 21.20% GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA_lc:I13536_d 4.74081127 81.40% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 + 18.60% Yamnaya_Samara:I0439:Mathieson_2015 4.76773588 84.00% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 + 16.00% Yamnaya_Samara:I0429:Mathieson_2015 4.79019152 48.80% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 51.20% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 4.79166318 80.00% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 20.00% Yamnaya_Samara:I0357:Mathieson_2015 4.79640390 80.80% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 19.20% Yamnaya_Samara:I0231:Mathieson_2015 4.94025401 63.00% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 37.00% Greece_N:Rev5:Hofmanova_2016 5.03265976 81.00% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 19.00% Yamnaya_Samara:I0370:Mathieson_2015 5.13318271 82.40% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 + 17.60% Yamnaya_Samara:I0357:Mathieson_2015 5.13985205 37.20% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 62.80% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223 5.19930224 82.20% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 17.80% Yamnaya_Samara:I0441:Mathieson_2015 5.20117793 83.40% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 + 16.60% Yamnaya_Samara:I0370:Mathieson_2015 5.22064215 64.00% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 36.00% Greece_N:I5427:Mathieson_2018 5.24352364 83.20% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 + 16.80% Yamnaya_Samara:I0231:Mathieson_2015 5.28231134 83.40% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 + 16.60% Yamnaya_Samara:I0443:Mathieson_2015 5.37179713 63.00% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 37.00% Greece_N:Pal7:Hofmanova_2016 5.37542340 84.60% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 + 15.40% Yamnaya_Samara:I0441:Mathieson_2015 5.52654783 34.60% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 65.40% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I20163
Distance to: Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 11.46223364 Sardinian 14.79113586 French_Corsica 20.15046153 Italian_Tuscany 20.19339753 Italian_Marche 20.47562453 Italian_Romagna 20.80845742 Italian_Emilia 20.87084569 Italian_Liguria 20.99619727 Italian_Umbria 21.81653272 Italian_Lazio 22.00034318 Italian_Lombardy 22.14177048 Italian_Campania 22.14616220 Italian_Molise 22.49807992 Italian_Abruzzo 23.32857047 Italian_Sicily 23.65573081 Italian_Calabria 23.96066360 Morocco_Jew 24.05342179 Italian_Piedmont 24.16760228 Italian_Basilicata 24.64280219 Italian_Jew 24.67446048 Ashkenazi_Jew 24.90516011 Sephardic_Jew 24.92396838 Italian_Veneto 25.39982087 Spanish_Canarias 25.47048684 Italian_Apulia 25.49358277 Swiss_Italian
Closest population to Log 4:
Distance to: Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 5.64006206 Macedonian_Vardar 6.12159293 Macedonian_Polog 6.41073319 Italian_Friuli_VG 6.41352477 Macedonian_East 6.83537124 Macedonian_South 6.91795490 Greek_Macedonia 7.15973463 Italian_Veneto 7.30935018 Albanian_Kosovo 7.69858429 Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje 7.92521293 Romanian_Muntenia 8.11762280 Moldovan_Gagauz 8.39100113 Romanian_Oltenia 8.54378722 Bulgarian_Central 8.56044975 Bulgarian_East 8.59815096 Bulgarian_West 8.64762973 Italian_Piedmont 9.23212327 Romanian_Banat 9.33067522 Greek_Thessaly 9.34067985 Montenegrin 9.47814328 Pomak_Bulgaria 9.49851041 Italian_Trentino 9.58237444 Italian_Emilia 9.68784290 Romanian_Dobrogea 9.70237600 Turk_Makedonya 9.92411205 Romanian_Transylvania
Thanks, Jovialis. I asked because when you were looking at all the Himera samples, he came in very often.
Distance to: Angela 8.73953088 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 8.79353740 Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017 8.89120914 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I20163 9.44240435 Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223 10.83918355 Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021 11.13374151 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13580 12.13746267 Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7224 13.71234116 Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 13.95851711 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13428 13.97269480 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA_father.or.son.I1 3518:I13506_d 14.17348934 Mycenaean:I9033:Lazaridis_2017 14.29946852 Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 15.18984200 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I7218 15.25060982 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I7217 15.72241712 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 15.76320399 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13579 15.83432979 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577 16.01564235 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10948 16.17007112 Mycenaean:I9041:Lazaridis_2017 16.32866192 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10952 16.43740855 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13518 16.63677853 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13578 16.96022995 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582 17.02822069 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10945 17.07667708 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I20162
They didn't do the Strontium test on him, did they? He might very well have been a Northern Italian mercenary, as your PCA shows. I know Ligurian mercenaries, for one, were all over the Med. Or, he might have been a settler from there. It amazes me the authors didn't do more complete similarity runs to modern populations.
Distance to: Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 2.93308711 Italian_Veneto 3.07253967 Italian_Piedmont 3.26599143 Italian_Lombardy 4.01203190 Italian_Liguria 4.52730604 Italian_Emilia 5.03992187 Swiss_Italian 5.26428533 Italian_Friuli_VG 5.57457622 Italian_Trentino 5.90759680 Italian_Tuscany 8.14992025 Italian_Romagna 8.46255871 Italian_Aosta_Valley 9.60735656 French_Corsica 9.83466827 Italian_Umbria 10.21314349 Macedonian_Vardar 10.31406806 Spanish_Baleares 10.58307139 Albanian_Kosovo 10.72228054 Macedonian_South 10.87933362 Macedonian_East 11.30645391 Macedonian_Polog 11.36434336 Italian_Lazio 11.42829821 Portuguese 11.50418463 Italian_Marche 11.63881867 Spanish_Canarias 11.68290632 Greek_Macedonia 11.83536227 Austrian_Tyrol
Excellent work.
Target: Angela
Distance: 1.7792% / 1.7791732960.4 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe 25.0 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc 7.0 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA 4.9 Armenoi_Crete 1.5 Yamnaya_Samara 1.2 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA
Much closer. With him I don't need the Yamnaya samples.
The two way is also closer:
Distance to: Angela 2.44499086 25.60% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I17887 + 74.40% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 3.01322856 38.00% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 + 62.00% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 3.29669157 28.40% GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19364 + 71.60% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 3.56498582 34.20% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 65.80% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 3.60040894 52.60% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 47.40% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 3.67632975 27.00% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I20160 + 73.00% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 3.68400475 25.60% Greece_N:Rev5:Hofmanova_2016 + 74.40% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 3.72608679 24.80% Minoan_Odigitria:I9129:Lazaridis_2017 + 75.20% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 3.80837347 24.20% Greece_N:I2318:Mathieson_2018 + 75.80% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 3.88743179 24.80% Greece_N:I5427:Mathieson_2018 + 75.20% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 3.92444659 25.40% Greece_N:Pal7:Hofmanova_2016 + 74.60% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 3.95277039 25.00% Greece_N:I2937:Lazaridis_2017 + 75.00% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 4.00112251 78.80% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 21.20% Yamnaya_Samara:I0439:Mathieson_2015 4.05898212 24.60% Greece_N:Klei10:Hofmanova_2016 + 75.40% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 4.14471368 33.60% GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13579 + 66.40% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 4.24346426 81.20% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 18.80% Yamnaya_Samara:I0438:Mathieson_2015 4.30970473 36.00% Mycenaean:I9033:Lazaridis_2017 + 64.00% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 4.31660957 24.20% Greece_N:I3708:Mathieson_2018 + 75.80% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 4.35796349 22.80% Greece_N:I3709:Mathieson_2018 + 77.20% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 4.36932010 22.40% Minoan_Lasithi:I0074:Lazaridis_2017 + 77.60% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 4.38236790 19.80% Minoan_Odigitria:I9127:Lazaridis_2017 + 80.20% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 4.43098251 81.60% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 18.40% Yamnaya_Samara:I0429:Mathieson_2015 4.47652697 25.00% Helladic_Manika_EBA:Mik15:Clemente_2021 + 75.00% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946 4.57583367 81.00% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 19.00% Yamnaya_Samara:I0443:Mathieson_2015 4.58412671 47.40% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223 + 52.60% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
Distance to: Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I17887 24.35054620 Sardinian 25.06138464 French_Corsica 26.62032870 Italian_Campania 27.02743051 Italian_Molise 27.50897853 Italian_Calabria 27.56504489 Italian_Abruzzo 27.59585701 Italian_Marche 27.79165882 Sephardic_Jew 27.79760781 Greek_Icaria 28.10085586 Italian_Sicily 28.36504363 Italian_Basilicata 28.64264303 Italian_Umbria 28.75828055 Italian_Romagna 28.92046853 Morocco_Jew 29.07919187 Italian_Lazio 29.11633219 Italian_Tuscany 29.15473203 Italian_Jew 29.52921096 Ashkenazi_Jew 29.66739625 Greek_Rhodes 29.94266187 Italian_Emilia 30.09013460 Italian_Apulia 30.14666151 Greek_Izmir 30.15841674 Greek_Kos 30.36559731 Greek_Fournoi 30.77873942 Greek_Lemnos
So, Balkan/North Italian like plus about a quarter more Med like?
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Target: Angela
Distance: 1.7792% / 1.7791732960.4 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe 25.0 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc 7.0 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA 4.9 Armenoi_Crete 1.5 Yamnaya_Samara 1.2 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA
I think it is likely, given where he plots on the PCA.
I too am curious to see where the Campanian samples plot in relation to the ones we currently have. As well as the link the Kingjohn provided with the 102 new samples.
As for the quality of scholarship when it comes to papers, I have little faith anymore. Other than the raw data and occasional undeniable archeological identification, many authors seem to be very obtuse with their conclusions.
If I win the $1.5 billion Powerball Jackpot on Saturday, one of my personal goals is to set up my own lab, hire non-bias researchers, and sequence all of the unexplored aDNA that tickles my interest. :)
I think that would be possible with a $745 million dollar payout considering the Reich lab did all they have done with a measly $400,000 grant.
“If anyone can refute me—show me I’m making a mistake or looking at things from the wrong perspective—I’ll gladly change. It’s the truth I’m after, and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance.” – Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, Book VI, 21
I made a Greek average from six Himera individuals that scored Mycenean and southern MKD IA, half of the individuals carried minor Sicilian(below 10%) mixture.
This is the classical Greek profile I was able to filter from six Himera individuals which showed almost entirely Mycenaean and MKD IA ancestry.
Code:
Classical_Greek_Himera_6th_BCE_1:Average,0.119134833333333,0.161807666666667,-0.00804533333333333,-0.0634156666666667,0.0238505,-0.0244958333333333,-0.00317266666666667,-0.00446133333333333,0.00657883333333333,0.0417321666666667,0.0026525,0.0105905,-0.019202,-0.0009175,-0.0167615,-0.0124413333333333,0.00986566666666667,-0.0004855,0.00689233333333333,-0.00862916666666667,-0.0100863333333333,0.007048,-0.000534166666666667,0.00576366666666667,-0.00275416666666667
With Mycenaean.
Without Mycenaean
South of Olympus mountain, MKD_Southeast_Valandovo likely represents Vlach and partial Albanian ancestry though some of it can easily have been transmitted during imperial time and the barbarian migrations. MKD Southeast average is made of two individuals that are Vezerzug Balkan like in the majority of their profile, therefore a northern Thracian like component. A good candidate for ancestral Vlach and partially Albanian.Code:ALB_Çinamak_Anc:Average,0.12475,0.1537512,0.0302452,-0.0142766,0.0300362,-0.0074186,0.003008,0.0005078,-0.001636,0.0248934,0.0011366,0.0071936,-0.0192368,-0.0072664,-0.0093376,-0.0049058,0.0066756,0.0026096,0.0039722,-0.0091042,-0.007986,0.0025474,-0.0043382,0.0057118,-0.0064664 MKD_Southwest_Ohrid_Anc:Average,0.1227012,0.153345,0.0232306,-0.0133722,0.0244968,-0.0063586,-0.0016922,-0.0033692,0.0006136,0.0272624,0.0058134,0.0063242,-0.0168878,-0.0066334,-0.0106676,-0.0031822,0.0011472,0.0044846,0.007944,-0.0095546,-0.0135512,0.0084826,-0.0017008,0.009688,-0.0026104 MKD_Southeast_Valandovo_Anc:Average,0.123498,0.1563915,0.0197985,-0.024225,0.029852,-0.013526,-0.0052875,-0.0064615,0.008897,0.0303425,0.0007305,0.0059945,-0.0118185,0.0056425,-0.0113325,-0.01664,-0.0086055,0.001457,0.005845,-0.016633,-0.0117295,0.0039565,0.0019105,0.005362,-0.001916 South_Thracian:Average,0.120342,0.162484636363636,0.00750790909090909,-0.0525021818181818,0.0298237272727273,-0.0213985454545455,-0.000427272727272727,-0.00148963636363636,0.0115091818181818,0.0437533636363636,0.002864,0.00821554545454545,-0.0182042727272727,-0.000963272727272727,-0.0228134545454545,-0.0118847272727273,0.00982618181818182,0.00269490909090909,0.00823909090909091,-0.00983418181818182,-0.00948327272727273,0.005598,-0.00368618181818182,0.00316554545454545,-0.00649918181818182 Classical_Greek_Himera_6th_BCE_1:Average,0.119134833333333,0.161807666666667,-0.00804533333333333,-0.0634156666666667,0.0238505,-0.0244958333333333,-0.00317266666666667,-0.00446133333333333,0.00657883333333333,0.0417321666666667,0.0026525,0.0105905,-0.019202,-0.0009175,-0.0167615,-0.0124413333333333,0.00986566666666667,-0.0004855,0.00689233333333333,-0.00862916666666667,-0.0100863333333333,0.007048,-0.000534166666666667,0.00576366666666667,-0.00275416666666667 POL_Weklice_Early_Goths:Average,0.133660714285714,0.129552571428571,0.0762861428571429,0.065892,0.043085,0.0241838571428571,0.00553942857142857,0.0118347142857143,0.00745042857142857,-0.007758,-0.00675071428571429,0.00389657142857143,-0.00736928571428571,-0.00650742857142857,0.0185354285714286,0.0119141428571429,0.00378085714285714,0.000688,0.00183171428571429,0.00644957142857143,0.007986,0.00245528571428571,-0.00151428571428571,0.011912,-0.00145414285714286 Slav_MA,0.1292408,0.1278645,0.0744299,0.0667435,0.0442321,0.0231226,0.0087166,0.012545,-0.0003718,-0.0232598,-0.00248,-0.0092645,0.0149742,0.0188792,-0.0083037,0.0013741,0.0066141,-0.0015894,0.0034395,0.003297,-0.0047075,-0.0031365,0.0046274,-0.0053785,0.0002395 Sargat_IA:Average,0.093477,-0.068548125,0.0658075,0.0608855,-0.049201625,-6.98750000000006E-05,0.003055125,0.004442,-0.01516025,-0.02890725,0.014899125,-0.00252875,0.008566625,-0.033236,0.002680375,0.001027625,-0.009664875,0.00121925,-0.001853875,-0.003329625,-0.009343,0.006244375,0.001802375,0.003057625,0.001167625 MNG_Early_Xiongnu:Average,0.0668927692307692,-0.207246076923077,0.0557848461538462,0.0257157692307692,-0.0602005384615385,-0.009375,0.00723107692307692,0.00658553846153846,-0.0122085384615385,-0.0164993846153846,-0.0166386153846154,-0.00288215384615385,-0.000903461538461539,-0.0122060769230769,0.0140104615384615,0.000917846153846154,-0.00948784615384615,0.00161784615384615,0.00147938461538462,0.00503115384615384,-0.0186401538461538,-0.00195938461538462,-0.00628553846153846,0.00203923076923077,0.00205415384615385 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LC:ALX002,0.097888,0.137096,-0.06939,-0.072675,-0.023697,-0.013666,0.005875,-0.003692,-0.024338,-0.00164,0.011205,-0.013338,0.012636,0.00578,-0.020765,0.030893,0.024903,0.004181,-0.000251,-0.007754,0.004617,0.015086,-0.003944,-0.015544,-0.005508 ARM_Noratus_Anc:Average,0.0944735,0.137604,-0.05638,-0.0637925,-0.0253895,-0.019941,0.0038775,-0.005192,-0.0223955,-0.0041,0.00609,0.00517,-0.006764,-0.0052985,-0.0010855,0.00305,0.009453,-0.001964,0.005594,-0.0068785,0.003993,-0.00136,0.0019105,-0.0025905,0.003353 IRN_Hasanlu_C_BA_&_IA:Average,0.0949608571428571,0.126070714285714,-0.0649725714285714,-0.0443432857142857,-0.0409744285714286,-0.00844628571428571,0.00688228571428571,-0.00458228571428571,-0.0376322857142857,-0.0118451428571429,0.00605485714285714,6.42857142857142E-05,0.000977,-0.00359785714285714,0.000853,0.00746271428571429,-0.000707857142857143,0.00356528571428571,0.00301685714285714,-0.00394842857142857,0.00180042857142857,-0.00439857142857143,-0.00508828571428571,-0.00719542857142857,0.00138571428571429 Levant_PPNB:Average,0.0774,0.165192666666667,-0.0314266666666667,-0.139752333333333,0.035699,-0.063215,-0.0110453333333333,-0.012999,0.0681746666666667,0.0413676666666667,0.0197033333333333,-0.014287,0.0312683333333333,-0.00197266666666667,-0.0285013333333333,0.009016,0.0160803333333333,-0.00135133333333333,-0.00439966666666667,0.019926,-0.00391,0.008491,-0.00209533333333333,-0.00397633333333333,-0.006267 ISR_Natufian_EpiP,0.034147,0.152329,-0.022627,-0.140506,0.042162,-0.085062,-0.016921,-0.015692,0.12476,0.019317,0.028743,-0.025327,0.085926,-0.004129,0.004886,-0.014054,-0.011213,-0.007855,-0.02074,0.023136,0.01123,0.001607,0.00912,0.003735,-0.003233 Berber_Tunisia_Chen,-0.0279499,0.1390711,-0.0080871,-0.0764792,0.0277316,-0.0352023,-0.0313867,0.0052818,0.0684246,0.0297957,0.0040057,-0.0043877,0.0196314,-0.0161248,0.0140923,-0.0169052,0.0001521,-0.0232896,-0.0467247,0.0078579,-0.0168314,-0.0404275,0.0281347,-0.0044517,0.0063666
South of Olympus mountain, South Thracian is mostly tied to Albanian like ancestry, maybe partially Vlach. For Greek islands, it's hard to say, some of the islands next to Thrace have a strong south Thracian ancestry, and likely represent refugees when the Slavs ravaged Thrace.
Way too many overlapping ancient populations. First I just want to see the distances of all those modern Greek populations to Mycenaeans and Minoans. Then, to the Himera samples.
This doesn't give us the right information.
Just post the coordinates for the modern Greek samples and I'll do it myself.
It's true, there are a lot of values, but Greeks are not made of only one Balkan source. There are Vlach and Albanians who migrated into Greece during the medieval period, that have a different ancient Balkan IA background. These two groups likely represent about 16-20% of modern Greek genome, similar to the overall Slavic mixture.
It's a model for Balkan Greeks. For south Italian Greeks, or Trebezon, it would make sense to remove the other Balkan IA averages. It all depends on whom you're trying to model. The model result do seem reasonable on estimating on how much ancient Greek profile survived in modern Greece. Maybe people will disagree.
I don't understand what "you" don't understand. If I want to know how close modern Greeks, no matter their ancestors over time, are to Mycenaeans, then I compare each modern Greek population to Mycenaeans, PERIOD. All of the other populations are irrelevant.
None of this will tell you how close Classical Era Greeks were to Mycenaeans unless we assume Classical Era Greeks were like the Empuries sample, which isn't a bad assumption. You do understand that Classical Era Greeks are the Greeks of the late first millennium B.C. and the early Imperial Era, yes?
If you won't give me the coordinates I'll find them myself. What you're doing won't answer the question.
Regarding phenotype, this could be a random everyday person in Southern Italy, or Greece.