Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

I always though of the Paeonians as Thracians, or a Thraco-Illyrian mix of some sort. Some scholars also attested to the fact that they were closely connected to the Greeks as well. According to Homer they were related to the Phrygians living in Northern Greece. The Phrygians were dislocated by the Ancient Macedonians, and they migrated to Anatolia. But remains of the Phrygian language in Anatolia indicate that it was closely related to Greek in many respects. The Paeonians were certainly not Ancient Macedonians as they fought with them regularly. But they could have been biologically related to Greeks in general.
In any case, based on all researches so far, North IA Greeks, Paeonians, Thracians and the like plot closer to modern Greeks (and Italians, Albanians) than Mycenaeans. So either Mycenaeans + some Slavic is indicative of these populations, or there was an Ancient migration from that area to Greece at some point of time.
 
Hello , Can someone compare my and to my friends G25 coordinates with the new Ancient Macedonian samples ?

Me,0.121791,0.150298,0.01697,-0.003553,0.020004,-0.00502,0.007285,0.003461,0.001841,0.009112,-0.008769,-0.001649,-0.004608,0.000138,-0.013301,-0.000796,0.009518,-0.003167,0.002263,-0.008629,-0.010232,0.000371,0.010969,0.002651,-0.007185


Friend1_Aleksander,0.122929,0.146236,0.023381,-0.006137,0.026774,-0.001116,-0.00376,-0.002077,-0.002454,0.018588,0.00065,0.001798,0.003717,0.0101 84,-0.011943,-0.008353,-0.008475,-0.000887,0.008799,-0.009004,-0.009234,0.009769,-0.000739,0.000602,-0.002395


Friend2_Marija,0.124067,0.144205,0.015839,-0.011305,0.025235,-0.004462,0.00611,0,0.000409,0.010387,0.001137,0.00 2847,-0.002379,0.015964,-0.012215,-0.007823,-0.005215,0.003167,0.005279,-0.010505,-0.010107,0.001855,0.003574,0.001446,0


Thanks !

Or if you need Eurogenes K13 ;

Me
North_Atlantic 23.22 Pct
Baltic 19.51 Pct
West_Med 19.62 Pct
West_Asian 11.94 Pct
East_Med 22.3 Pct
Red_Sea 2.37 Pct
South_Asian 0.78 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.25 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Friend1_Aleksander
Population
North_Atlantic 21.34 Pct
Baltic 20.36 Pct
West_Med 21.95 Pct
West_Asian 10.17 Pct
East_Med 23.2 Pct
Red_Sea 1.56 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.07 Pct
Amerindian 0.75 Pct
Oceanian 0.29 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.3 Pct


Friend2_Marija
North_Atlantic 21.65 Pct
Baltic 18.55 Pct
West_Med 18.86 Pct
West_Asian 11.83 Pct
East_Med 24.8 Pct
Red_Sea 3.27 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.07 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.68 Pct
Oceanian 0.28 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


And one more friend without g25 only k13

Aneta
North_Atlantic 25.99 Pct
Baltic 16.85 Pct
West_Med 15.82 Pct
West_Asian 14.14 Pct
East_Med 24.72 Pct
Red_Sea 1.6 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.53 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.35 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
 
Hello , Can someone compare my and to my friends G25 coordinates with the new Ancient Macedonian samples ?

Distance to: MKD_Anc
0.03879608 Vasile_friend_Aleksander_scaled
0.03997637 Vasile_friend_Marija_scaled
0.04076002 Vasile_scaled
0.04089050 Vasile_friend_Hristina_scaled
0.04545712 Vasile_friend_Atanas_scaled
0.04595018 Vasile_friend_Angela_scaled
0.04899646 Vasile_friend_Nikola_scaled

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Distance to: MKD_Anc
0.03879608 Vasile_friend_Aleksander_scaled
0.03997637 Vasile_friend_Marija_scaled
0.04076002 Vasile_scaled
0.04089050 Vasile_friend_Hristina_scaled
0.04545712 Vasile_friend_Atanas_scaled
0.04595018 Vasile_friend_Angela_scaled
0.04899646 Vasile_friend_Nikola_scaled


Nice thanks ! Can you add this Macedonian average from 100 G25 simulated coordinates ?

Macedonian,0.1221137,0.1428205,0.0224179,-0.0081292,0.0261456,-0.0018024,0.0040086,0.0024083,0.0016661,0.0116851,-0.0009672,0.00148,-0.0025211,0.0091482,-0.0123715,-0.0017083,0.0059696,0.0005986,0.0055083,-0.0045047,-0.0054208,-0.0012481,0.0025807,0.000303,-0.0008277
 
I ran my coordinates with all of the Greek, Ancient Macedonian, Ancient Albanian samples and found that I tend to cluster closer to those archaic/Bronze Age populations well North of my ancestral homeland (Peloponnese).

Distance to:Anthony_C_scaled
0.02880945GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log02
0.03118023MKD_Anc:I10391___female___BC_300___Coverage_66.29%
0.03328139MKD_BA:I7231___R-CTS7556___BC_1219___Coverage_72.93%
0.03329729MKD_Anc:I10388___J-Y13128___BC_708___Coverage_67.44%
0.03407186MKD_Anc:I10390___G-Z6494___BC_393___Coverage_67.94%
0.03898782ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I14692___female___BC_950___Coverage_69.46%
0.03966204MKD_Anc:I10385___female___BC_641___Coverage_69.29%
0.04203850ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I14688___R-L51___BC_500___Coverage_66.52%
0.04217829MKD_Anc:I10381___C-V86___BC_636___Coverage_22.20%
0.04225267GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log04
0.04365851MKD_Anc:I10384___J-Y13128___BC_600___Coverage_65.57%
0.04384365ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16251___R-M269___BC_550___Coverage_36.88%
0.04616448MKD_Anc:I10387___female___BC_600___Coverage_43.99%
0.04792661ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I14690___R-CTS1450___BC_1050___Coverage_65.05%
0.05081105ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16253___J-Y21878___BC_476___Coverage_33.12%
0.05129287MKD_Anc:I7233___female___BC_850___Coverage_74.59%
0.05145260MKD_Anc:I10379___female___BC_641___Coverage_66.02%
0.05351353GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13514___female___BC_1215___Coverage_76.28%
0.05373817GRC_Palace_of_Nestor_EIA:I19368___female___BC_1010___Coverage_10.73%
0.05438663MKD_Anc_outlier2:I10167___R-M269___BC_121___Coverage_12.67%
0.05518335MKD_Anc:I8112___R-CTS1450___BC_664___Coverage_70.53%
0.05540831MKD_Anc:I10383___female___BC_657___Coverage_67.48%
0.05545206GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577___G-Z7016___BC_1250___Coverage_24.67%
0.05663489MKD_Anc:I10389___female___BC_600___Coverage_15.50%
0.06017545GRC_Mycenaean:I9033
You could not expect another result. The Illyrians were very close genetically to Macedonians and both survived much more than the ancient Greeks.
 
Nice thanks ! Can you add this Macedonian average from 100 G25 simulated coordinates ?

Macedonian,0.1221137,0.1428205,0.0224179,-0.0081292,0.0261456,-0.0018024,0.0040086,0.0024083,0.0016661,0.0116851,-0.0009672,0.00148,-0.0025211,0.0091482,-0.0123715,-0.0017083,0.0059696,0.0005986,0.0055083,-0.0045047,-0.0054208,-0.0012481,0.0025807,0.000303,-0.0008277

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Thanks again broski ,
With Baltic

Target: MACEDONIAN
Distance: 0.6977% / 0.00697730
58.2Ancient-Macedonian
17.8Balto-Slavic
9.4Illyrian
9.2Thracian
4.4Caucasian
1.0Pakistan_Butkara


Target: MACEDONIAN
Distance: 1.0396% / 0.01039620 | ADC: 0.25x
57.2Ancient-Macedonian
28.6Illyrian
13.4Balto-Slavic
0.8Caucasian



With + Slavic

Target: MACEDONIAN
Distance: 1.1159% / 0.01115895 | R3P
74.0Ancient-Macedonian
14.6Balto-Slavic
11.4Caucasian





Code:
Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I10379,0.129758,0.149283,0.021873,-0.027132,0.027082,-0.012829,0.005875,0.001846,0.002659,0.034989,-0.001461,0.01169,-0.007284,-0.003716,-0.019137,0.008353,0.029206,-0.002154,0.005656,0.001876,-0.018093,0.002349,-0.002095,0.008435,-0.004311Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I10381,0.134311,0.151314,0.026776,-0.031331,0.028928,-0.000837,-0.000235,-0.003231,0.006749,0.04319,0.000162,-3e-04,-0.015758,0.005092,-0.009365,-0.006364,0.00678,0.00152,0.006285,0.001751,-0.009358,0.001731,0.003821,-0.003133,0.012334
Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I10383,0.12862,0.149283,0.025267,-0.018734,0.030159,-0.009482,0.003525,-0.004154,0.002454,0.031709,-0.005359,0.013188,-0.020812,-0.017065,-0.012893,0.007823,0.024251,0.007728,0.007165,0.00075,-0.00836,-0.00136,-0.001725,0.009158,-0.005269
Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I10384,0.125205,0.156392,0.026398,-0.010013,0.026774,-0.004183,0.002115,-0.003923,0.006954,0.025331,0.001299,0.006894,-0.014123,-0.005918,-0.012758,-0.00053,0.004824,0.002787,0.005028,-0.014257,-0.015223,-0.000371,-0.00986,0.003615,-0.006706
Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I10385,0.124067,0.148267,0.02489,-0.009367,0.022158,0,-0.00517,-0.002769,-0.008181,0.021322,0.006496,0.008692,-0.018731,-0.000963,-0.001357,-0.009016,-0.009518,0.004687,0.001634,-0.01038,-0.011729,0.005688,-0.001479,0.001928,0.005389
Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I10387,0.113823,0.157407,0.017348,-0.020672,0.031083,-0.005299,-0.011986,0.001615,-0.000409,0.045923,0.003897,0.004196,-0.025272,-0.00812,-0.017372,-0.004641,-0.005607,0.004307,0.017095,-0.012381,-0.010981,0.006677,-0.002342,0.01205,-0.003473
Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I10388,0.126344,0.157407,0.019987,-0.019703,0.029236,-0.009761,0.001645,-0.005538,0.006749,0.031162,0.004384,0.008992,-0.014569,-0.004266,-0.013436,-0.004641,0.002347,0.001014,0.008547,-0.012131,-0.012728,0.006925,0.0053,0.011447,-0.005628
Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I10389,0.124067,0.147252,0.02753,-0.007106,0.013233,-0.01255,0.004935,-0.006231,-0.002045,0.012574,0.012991,0.002847,-0.011744,-0.0139,-0.008415,0.002917,0.01369,0.009628,0.007416,0.001376,-0.017095,0.023494,-0.000123,0.0194,-0.002634
Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I10390,0.126344,0.153345,0.022627,-0.023256,0.031083,-0.010319,-0.002585,-0.006,0.008795,0.027518,0.001461,0.007643,-0.015015,0.00289,-0.00855,-0.01538,-0.009909,-0.001267,0.003017,-0.02001,-0.012603,0.005193,0.006409,0.005663,-0.005149
Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I10391,0.120652,0.159438,0.01697,-0.025194,0.028621,-0.016733,-0.00799,-0.006923,0.008999,0.033167,0,0.004346,-0.008622,0.008395,-0.014115,-0.0179,-0.007302,0.004181,0.008673,-0.013256,-0.010856,0.00272,-0.002588,0.005061,0.001317
Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I7233,0.119514,0.157407,0.010559,-0.045543,0.030775,-0.013666,-0.000235,0.000923,0.011862,0.04155,0.006658,0.01154,-0.020367,-0.008808,-0.033659,-0.01127,0.009388,0.000253,0.011439,-0.01138,-0.009982,0.013602,-0.005669,0.004458,-0.005269
Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I8112,0.12862,0.142174,0.026398,-0.012597,0.035083,-0.011992,-0.00188,0.000923,0.00225,0.025331,-0.000325,0.009292,-0.013974,-0.015138,-0.00475,0.011403,0.017993,0.007348,0.005279,-0.008754,-0.001996,-0.01014,-0.001725,0.000843,-0.008861
Thracian:BGR_IA:I5769,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Illyrian:HRV_IA:I3313,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.01169,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Illyrian:HRV_IA:I5723,0.124067,0.152329,0.039221,-0.006783,0.045239,-0.00251,0.00188,-0.003231,0.012271,0.030616,-0.004547,0.006444,-0.016501,-0.003441,-0.010043,0.003447,-0.000913,0.000887,0.004902,0.002376,-0.00836,0.001607,-0.004437,-0.001205,0.001557
Illyrian:HRV_IA:I5724,0.126344,0.152329,0.027907,0.006783,0.033237,-0.00753,0.006815,0.003923,0.01493,0.028976,-0.000162,0.008393,-0.009663,-0.00812,-0.007465,0.001458,-0.002086,0.007348,0.011816,-0.003377,-0.005989,0.011871,0.002095,-0.010724,0.000479
Illyrian:HRV_IA:I5725,0.112685,0.153345,0.039221,0.006783,0.041238,0.005857,0.000705,-0.001846,0.01309,0.02606,-0.001624,0.010641,-0.010109,-0.009909,-0.001357,-0.002784,0.00326,0.005321,0,0.002751,-0.000624,-0.001978,-0.00912,-0.004097,0.002395
Illyrian:HRV_IA:I5726,0.118376,0.15436,0.040729,-0.002907,0.03693,-0.005857,-0.003995,0.002538,0.014317,0.029522,-0.003248,0.005245,-0.010258,-0.015689,-0.001221,0.01485,0.021905,0.000253,-0.005028,0.005378,-0.001248,-0.003833,-0.006532,0.003615,-0.006826
Illyrian:HRV_IA:I5727,0.124067,0.139128,0.048649,0.026486,0.040931,0.008646,0.00235,0.006,0.011658,0.017859,-0.001949,-0.000749,0.003568,-0.001651,-0.002443,0.000796,0.001173,-0.001647,0.004148,0.001126,0.001996,-0.003091,-0.008874,-0.003976,0.001437
Illyrian:HRV_IA:I5728,0.124067,0.150298,0.04186,-0.004522,0.041546,-0.010598,0.00094,-0.000231,0.020657,0.0277,-0.002111,0.007943,-0.014123,0.003028,0.001221,-0.011535,-0.007823,0.000887,0.001383,0.001,-0.001747,0.014962,-0.005546,0.004217,-0.008502
Illyrian:HRV_IA:I5729,0.127482,0.149283,0.038466,0,0.032621,0.003626,0.001645,-0.003923,0.012476,0.024237,-0.005846,0.014237,-0.018434,-0.005367,-0.003529,0.000398,0.004563,0.00266,0.001885,-0.002126,0,0.000495,0.002835,-0.003735,-0.00455
Pakistan_Butkara,0.0599467,-0.0203103,-0.1306093,0.0803193,-0.087196,0.0472253,0.001645,0.003846,-0.005454,-6.07e-05,-0.0027063,-0.0017983,-0.004559,-0.005184,0.006198,0.0156897,0.0101263,-0.001605,0.0028073,-0.0067113,-0.0002497,-0.0084907,-0.0029167,-0.0037757,0.00475
Celtic-England,0.1324143,0.1289723,0.060339,0.0472657,0.035391,0.0190573,0.0055617,0.0018463,0.0049767,0.004313,-0.0033557,0.004396,-0.008622,-0.018304,0.017372,0.0154247,0.0068667,-0.0030827,0.0019277,0.0041687,0.003785,-0.0002063,-0.0037387,0.011086,0.0007587
Nordic,0.132035,0.125926,0.075801,0.068476,0.044931,0.026495,0.011281,0.006,0.002454,-0.010752,-0.003085,0.003297,-0.007433,0.002752,0.020358,-0.007955,-0.02021,0.006334,0.00817,0.006378,0.002995,0.000866,0.002465,0.007712,0.00455
Caucasian,0.09675,0.090382,-0.021873,0.044574,-0.03693,0.026495,0.00282,-0.001846,-0.046018,-0.038452,-0.003248,0.003297,-0.000743,-0.020919,0.021444,0.020817,-0.009127,-0.000887,-0.002891,-0.00963,-0.000374,-0.001855,-0.000123,0.009399,0.001796
Illyrian:ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I14688,0.122929,0.161469,0.02489,-0.028101,0.028005,-0.015618,0.004935,0.001846,0.000409,0.019499,-0.000974,0.01139,-0.016799,-0.004266,-0.006786,-0.016441,-0.009518,0.004054,0.005028,-0.007253,-0.013601,0.009398,-0.005176,0.011086,-0.007065
Illyrian:ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I14690,0.125205,0.149283,0.034318,-0.00646,0.029544,-0.005857,-0.001175,0.004846,-0.00225,0.019681,0.001461,0.002698,-0.020069,-0.006468,-0.003122,0.002121,0.001825,0.003167,0.002011,-0.002501,-0.007861,0.003462,0.005423,-0.004217,-0.005269
Illyrian:ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I14692,0.125205,0.152329,0.025644,-0.010336,0.019388,0.001116,-0.008695,0.003461,0.006136,0.025878,0.007145,0.010641,-0.018583,-0.00234,-0.011536,-0.006099,0.008605,0.00038,0.009679,-0.004877,-0.010981,-0.006183,-0.001479,0.012411,0.003113
Illyrian:ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I16251,0.124067,0.144205,0.018102,-0.019703,0.025851,-0.003347,0.002115,0.008077,0.000205,0.022233,-0.000974,0.005095,-0.017096,-0.017753,-0.013301,-0.003447,0.00665,-0.003294,0.010182,-0.013006,-0.000125,0.005441,-0.007148,-0.001687,-0.004431
Illyrian:ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I16253,0.130897,0.156392,0.034318,-0.010982,0.035083,-0.000279,0.002115,0.001846,0.0045,0.029158,0.008931,0.015436,-0.024083,-0.001927,-0.012893,0.000796,0.012647,0.008361,0.011816,-0.009505,-0.011355,-0.002349,-0.003944,0.008917,-0.007185
Illyrian:ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I16254,0.120652,0.157407,0.039598,-0.006137,0.031698,-0.011992,0.00705,-0.014076,-0.011044,0.033896,-0.002761,0.001349,-0.018137,-0.005918,-0.010586,-0.007558,0.021774,0.00076,-0.009176,-0.013256,-0.006988,-0.003215,-0.010846,0.01446,-0.008382
Illyrian:ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I16256,0.118376,0.151314,0.02489,-0.005491,0.034468,-0.001673,0.00188,-0.003231,0,0.018406,0.005359,-0.000599,-0.013379,-0.014863,-0.006107,0.013392,0.034943,-0.003547,0.003645,-0.010255,0.01148,0.005812,-0.00037,0.005181,-0.009101
Illyrian:ALB_MBA:I8471,0.124067,0.144205,0.017725,0.000323,0.03416,-0.019801,0.00564,-0.012461,0.011658,0.034078,0.003248,0.004346,-0.005352,-0.022432,-0.008822,0.004243,0.026989,-0.007475,0.001885,0.006128,-0.000873,0.006059,0.007765,0.010724,0.008143
Balto-Slavic,0.135449,0.121864,0.095789,0.092055,0.055395,0.035698,0.014101,0.031845,0.000818,-0.039181,0.003897,-0.017534,0.043558,0.041149,-0.002579,-0.002917,-0.004563,0.006714,-0.00729,0.001376,0.012104,-0.011005,0.018734,-0.011086,-0.002155
Slavic,0.129432857,0.125925714,0.073592429,0.065338286,0.041194286,0.024861286,0.011414857,0.010054429,2.92857E-05,-0.020046,-0.002667714,-0.005695,0.013549286,0.023513714,-0.010993286,-0.001894143,3.71429E-05,-0.000416429,0.004794571,0.003037143,-0.001033857,-0.005776143,0.008345714,-0.006850857,0.000906571
 
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Distance to: Veritus_scaled
0.03211889 Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I10385
0.03359832 Illyrian:HRV_IA:I5728
0.03371179 Illyrian:HRV_IA:I3313
0.03493691 Illyrian:HRV_IA:I5724
0.03512270 Illyrian:ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I14690
0.03625781 Illyrian:HRV_IA:I5723
0.03638883 Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I10384
0.03658043 Illyrian:HRV_IA:I5729
0.03829119 Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I10390
0.03845144 Illyrian:HRV_IA:I5725
0.04105698 Illyrian:ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I14692
0.04293207 Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I10388
0.04317831 Illyrian:ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I16251
0.04327667 Illyrian:ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I14688
0.04448414 Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I10391
0.04709439 Illyrian:ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I16253
0.04772646 Illyrian:HRV_IA:I5727
0.05230295 Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I10387
0.05234124 Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I10381
0.05384072 Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I8112
0.05783486 Illyrian:HRV_IA:I5726
0.05809965 Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I10389
0.05995127 Illyrian:ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I16254
0.06079857 Ancient-Macedonian:MKD_Anc:I10383
0.06375470 Illyrian:ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I16256


Target: Veritus_scaled
Distance: 0.0126% / 0.01258736
39.2 Ancient-Macedonian
38.2 Illyrian
19.2 Nordic
2.3 Balto-Slavic
1.1 Pakistan_Butkara
 
Target: Anthony_C_scaled
Distance: 2.0711% / 0.02071058

73.2Ancient-Macedonian
13.0Thracian
8.4Caucasian
4.6Balto-Slavic
0.8Pakistan_Butkara
Target: Anthony_C_scaled
Distance: 2.0711% / 0.02071058

73.2Ancient-Macedonian
13.0Thracian
8.4Caucasian
4.6Balto-Slavic
0.8Pakistan_Butkara
 
I always though of the Paeonians as Thracians, or a Thraco-Illyrian mix of some sort. Some scholars also attested to the fact that they were closely connected to the Greeks as well. According to Homer they were related to the Phrygians living in Northern Greece. The Phrygians were dislocated by the Ancient Macedonians, and they migrated to Anatolia. But remains of the Phrygian language in Anatolia indicate that it was closely related to Greek in many respects. The Paeonians were certainly not Ancient Macedonians as they fought with them regularly. But they could have been biologically related to Greeks in general.
In any case, based on all researches so far, North IA Greeks, Paeonians, Thracians and the like plot closer to modern Greeks (and Italians, Albanians) than Mycenaeans. So either Mycenaeans + some Slavic is indicative of these populations, or there was an Ancient migration from that area to Greece at some point of time.

Thats why I asked about the phrygian tombs and if anyone has dna on it.

Heres one
https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/the-gordion-tomb/
 
A_Question, who is clearly a sock of enter_tain is permanently banned. Since enter_tain is constantly trying to evade his 2 month suspension, he is now also permanently banned.

Good job, buddy. Do you make such horrible choices in every part of your life?

Are there no sane members of our Albanian community here who have any influence on these loons? Do you think I want to spend part of my Saturday dealing with this stuff?
 
Certainly, the hypothesis that the northern Balkans migrated south and mixed with the Greeks sounds more plausible to me than the hypothesis that the Slavs mixed directly with the Greeks.
 
A_Question, who is clearly a sock of enter_tain is permanently banned. Since enter_tain is constantly trying to evade his 2 month suspension, he is now also permanently banned.

Good job, buddy. Do you make such horrible choices in every part of your life?

Are there no sane members of our Albanian community here who have any influence on these loons? Do you think I want to spend part of my Saturday dealing with this stuff?
He has opened an incredible amount of 9 puppet accounts with the same content last time I was active on this page and as it seems another what 5 or 6? Not sure what one calls this behavior but there surely is an underlying psychological issue. Apart from reporting them I did not know of a better way to contribute here.
 
Kit number: M658611, Elapsed time: 9.62 seconds.




Population
Amerindian-
Arabian0.48 Pct
Armenian-
Basque1.03 Pct
Central_African-
Central_Euro-
East_African-
East_Asian-
East_Balkan-
East_Central_Asian-
East_Central_Euro-
East_Med12.79 Pct
Eastern_Euro-
Fennoscandian-
French-
Iberian14.62 Pct
Indo-Chinese-
Italian33.01 Pct
Malayan-
Near_Eastern7.24 Pct
North_African7.43 Pct
North_Atlantic-
North_Caucasian-
North_Sea-
Northeast_African-
Oceanian0.6 Pct
Omotic-
Pygmy-
Siberian-
South_Asian-
South_Central_Asian-
South_Chinese-
Volga-Ural-
West_African2.79 Pct
West_Caucasian-
West_Med19.99

number: M572712, Elapsed time: 10.17 seconds.

North_African7.43 Pct
Population
Amerindian-
Arabian2.59 Pct
Armenian-
Basque0.7 Pct
Central_African-
Central_Euro-
East_African-
East_Asian-
East_Balkan-
East_Central_Asian-
East_Central_Euro-
East_Med17.76 Pct
Eastern_Euro-
Fennoscandian-
French-
Iberian7.8 Pct
Indo-Chinese-
Italian35.1 Pct
Malayan-
Near_Eastern8.08 Pct
North_African3.8 Pct
North_Atlantic-
North_Caucasian-
North_Sea-
Northeast_African-
Oceanian-
Omotic-
Pygmy-
Siberian-
South_Asian-
South_Central_Asian-
South_Chinese-
Volga-Ural-
West_African-
West_Caucasian-
West_Med24.14
Arabian2.59 + North_African3.8 Pct = 6.47
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WOW!

I just can't get over the persuasiveness of your arguments.
 
Wanderer you actually should run GEDmatch's Oracle's for whatever calculator you're using.

BTW, in 1940 there were 250,000 Greek descent people in Egypt. Now there are about 1,000. If this person is one of the descendants of the 250,000 I would expect some Egyptian/Middle East admixture. No way you're going to have Greeks in Egypt in large number since the Hellenistic period and not have admixture.
 
Wanderer you actually should run GEDmatch's Oracle's for whatever calculator you're using.

BTW, in 1940 there were 250,000 Greek descent people in Egypt. Now there are about 1,000. If this person is one of the descendants of the 250,000 I would expect some Egyptian/Middle East admixture. No way you're going to have Greeks in Egypt in large number since the Hellenistic period and not have admixture.

The samples he posted are from Neolithic Greece.Other than that Egyptiotes do not have such deep origins there ,they're a post 18th century community with Greeks from all over the Greek world like Western Anatolia ones ,on average it's certain they don't have non-Greek admix just like the latter.Individually when there is ,it will be known because it will be recent.
 

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