Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

For Italy these maps are a bit worthless, because the modern Italian G25 samples are incomplete, especially for northern Italy. There are no samples from the Po Valley, which is the most densely populated area in northern Italy.

I don't understand. If you look at the map it's actually more granular than that (has coordinates for multiple regions which make up Po Valley).
 
I figured this is the right thread in which to ask the question.

Of all the Southern Arc samples, according to K12b I'm "reasonably" close to MK "ancient", which is not so ancient, as it seems to be first millennium BC, and MN (Montenegro area) which is about 2-4 hundred years earlier.

So what's the question?
 
So what's the question?

I must have gotten distracted. :)

Were they found in what is today North Macedonia, or over the border into northern Greece? I couldn't tell from the map. What do we know about the cultures in that area during that particular period?

What about the MD samples from around 1200-1400 B.C. What do we know about them?

I'm assuming this is again a situation where perhaps similar steppe admixed people split and one group went down into the Balkans and another into Italy. I see that Torzio is even closer than Stuvane and me, so perhaps the further from the split, the further the distance.
 
I must have gotten distracted. :)

Were they found in what is today North Macedonia, or over the border into northern Greece? I couldn't tell from the map. What do we know about the cultures in that area during that particular period?

What about the MD samples from around 1200-1400 B.C. What do we know about them?

I'm assuming this is again a situation where perhaps similar steppe admixed people split and one group went down into the Balkans and another into Italy. I see that Torzio is even closer than Stuvane and me, so perhaps the further from the split, the further the distance.
Your closest Montenegro_LBA sample is from the Velika Gruda Centina tumuli, actually late phase Cetina, Proto-Illyrian Dinaric culture tumuli.

Distance to:I13775_MNE_LBA_VelikaGruda_1450-1250BCE(J2b-L283>Z638>Z2197)
0.02516417French_Corsica:CorsicaS04208
0.02655097Italian_Veneto:ALP209
0.02727281Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont149
0.02757824Italian_Bergamo:HGDP01155
0.02832138Italian_Lombardy:ALP288
0.02888427Italian_Bergamo:HGDP01153
0.02905061Italian_Tuscany:NA20505
0.02910195Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont127
0.02919869Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany27
0.02933204Italian_Veneto:ALP116
0.02947330Italian_Veneto:KF1800772
0.02953398Italian_Tuscany:VO65
0.02966241Italian_Piedmont:piedmont61
0.03001279Italian_Tuscany:NA20502
0.03014027Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP200
0.03023620Italian_Bergamo:HGDP01152
0.03039707Albanian:AL12

I think the North Macedonian IA samples were mostly from the Ulanci group which are considered Paeonian.
 
It's very possible that the reason of why don't Peloponnesian genetics fit this "Slavs expelled-Greeks from Anatolia&Italy came" story is that a great part of modern Peloponnesians don't descend from the Byzantine ones but are instead later internal migrants from other mainland parts like Central Greece, Thessaly & Epirus ,so no matter what was the situation back then and if these kind of movements had impact or not, it's irrelevant for the moderns.
I totally agree with you particularly as I dig deeper into my own family history.
 
Your closest Montenegro_LBA sample is from the Velika Gruda Centina tumuli, actually late phase Cetina, Proto-Illyrian Dinaric culture tumuli.

Distance to:I13775_MNE_LBA_VelikaGruda_1450-1250BCE(J2b-L283>Z638>Z2197)
0.02516417French_Corsica:CorsicaS04208
0.02655097Italian_Veneto:ALP209
0.02727281Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont149
0.02757824Italian_Bergamo:HGDP01155
0.02832138Italian_Lombardy:ALP288
0.02888427Italian_Bergamo:HGDP01153
0.02905061Italian_Tuscany:NA20505
0.02910195Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont127
0.02919869Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany27
0.02933204Italian_Veneto:ALP116
0.02947330Italian_Veneto:KF1800772
0.02953398Italian_Tuscany:VO65
0.02966241Italian_Piedmont:piedmont61
0.03001279Italian_Tuscany:NA20502
0.03014027Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP200
0.03023620Italian_Bergamo:HGDP01152
0.03039707Albanian:AL12

I think the North Macedonian IA samples were mostly from the Ulanci group which are considered Paeonian.

Any insights on the MKD Anc and MKD BA samples?
 
These are the coordinates for Emilia:

Code:
emilia-romagna,0.112685,0.146236,0.02753,-0.012597,0.020927,-0.004183,-0.002115,-0.000462,0.009817,0.019499,-0.001461,0.004496,-0.011744,-0.009909,0.001764,0.010209,0.018906,-0.003421,0.014958,-0.004752,-0.008111,0.004204,0.003944,-0.003494,0.006826

These at most are simulated coordinates for Emilia-Romagna. If simulated ones were used, then all simulated ones should be used. This discussion has already taken place, why is it being repeated?
 
Your closest Montenegro_LBA sample is from the Velika Gruda Centina tumuli, actually late phase Cetina, Proto-Illyrian Dinaric culture tumuli.

Distance to:I13775_MNE_LBA_VelikaGruda_1450-1250BCE(J2b-L283>Z638>Z2197)
0.02516417French_Corsica:CorsicaS04208
0.02655097Italian_Veneto:ALP209
0.02727281Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont149
0.02757824Italian_Bergamo:HGDP01155
0.02832138Italian_Lombardy:ALP288
0.02888427Italian_Bergamo:HGDP01153
0.02905061Italian_Tuscany:NA20505
0.02910195Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont127
0.02919869Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany27
0.02933204Italian_Veneto:ALP116
0.02947330Italian_Veneto:KF1800772
0.02953398Italian_Tuscany:VO65
0.02966241Italian_Piedmont:piedmont61
0.03001279Italian_Tuscany:NA20502
0.03014027Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP200
0.03023620Italian_Bergamo:HGDP01152
0.03039707Albanian:AL12

I think the North Macedonian IA samples were mostly from the Ulanci group which are considered Paeonian.
Belated disclaimer: no super fan of G25 coordinates, used them primarily because at the time I posted these I only had access to G25 coordinates of the southern arc paper samples. But I see Salento has a collection of K12b.
 
Any insights on the MKD Anc and MKD BA samples?
The MKD "Anc" samples are essentially IA or younger IA samples I think. The BA sample is from Ulanci and the Anc samples mostly from Marvinci. There is also samples from Govrlevo and Bucinci.

The k12b coords Salento provided:

Code:
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc_outlier1:I10392,12.22,0,3.1,0,13.4,2.42,0.02,0.41,25.24,0.28,42.8,0.12
[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc_outlier2:I10167,9.3,0,0,0,21.3,18.83,0,0,10.12,0.67,39.27,0.51[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10166,6.14,0,2.37,0,59.06,6.27,0.26,0,11.85,2.46,11.59,0[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10377,2.31,0,0,0,38.3,26.3,0,0,6.92,0,26.18,0[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10378,9.78,0,2.28,0,52.31,10.07,0,0,9.84,0,15.71,0[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10379,2.64,0,0,0.56,36.28,21.83,0.43,0,6.18,0,31.64,0.44[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10381,2.43,0,0,0,39.45,22.78,0,0,3.37,0.13,31.05,0.8[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10382,9.4,3.63,0,0,30.09,23.6,0,0,8.43,0,24.86,0[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10383,4.52,0,0.61,0,38.57,22.83,0,0,5.34,1.71,26.31,0.1[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10384,6.36,0,0,0,35.07,25.95,0,0,6.47,0,25.77,0.38[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10385,9.91,0.1,0,0,34.29,24.6,0,0,3.81,0,26.43,0.86[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10387,6.28,0.59,3.21,0,39.74,16.18,1.55,0,6.27,0,25.49,0.69[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10388,3.48,0.06,2.4,0,36.61,21.67,0,0,8.65,0,27.01,0.12[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10389,4.3,0.33,0,0.22,30.42,22.23,0,0,7.68,0,33.61,1.23[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10390,3.11,0.29,2.3,0,37.87,20,0,0,8.1,0,28.11,0.22[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10391,3.4,0,3.06,0,36.19,19.93,0,0,8.3,0.54,28.36,0.21[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I7233,1.76,0,1.89,0,37.36,14.79,0,0,9.99,0.16,33.64,0.4[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I8112,6.08,0.05,0.52,0,36.05,23.93,0,0,6.95,0.66,25.37,0.38[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_BA_lc:I10168,0,0,0,0,16.62,38.96,1.53,0,25.15,0,17.74,0[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_BA_lc:I10171,2.4,0,0,0,20.79,0,0,0,32.11,14.11,30.6,0[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_BA:I7231,3.72,0.62,1.06,0,34.77,21.27,0,0,8.02,0,30.31,0.22[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_IA_lc:I10380,3.95,0,12.4,4.27,52.2,12.95,1.82,0,7.19,0,0,5.23[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Mdv:I2530,4.84,0.74,0,0.49,25.57,38.33,0,2.24,4.87,0.82,22.09,0[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_N:I3881,0,0,0,0,54.95,0,0,0,10.36,0,34.7,0[/FONT][/COLOR]



 
The MKD "Anc" samples are essentially IA or younger IA samples I think. The BA sample is from Ulanci and the Anc samples mostly from Marvinci. There is also samples from Govrlevo and Bucinci.

The k12b coords Salento provided:

Code:
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc_outlier1:I10392,12.22,0,3.1,0,13.4,2.42,0.02,0.41,25.24,0.28,42.8,0.12
[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc_outlier2:I10167,9.3,0,0,0,21.3,18.83,0,0,10.12,0.67,39.27,0.51[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10166,6.14,0,2.37,0,59.06,6.27,0.26,0,11.85,2.46,11.59,0[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10377,2.31,0,0,0,38.3,26.3,0,0,6.92,0,26.18,0[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10378,9.78,0,2.28,0,52.31,10.07,0,0,9.84,0,15.71,0[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10379,2.64,0,0,0.56,36.28,21.83,0.43,0,6.18,0,31.64,0.44[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10381,2.43,0,0,0,39.45,22.78,0,0,3.37,0.13,31.05,0.8[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10382,9.4,3.63,0,0,30.09,23.6,0,0,8.43,0,24.86,0[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10383,4.52,0,0.61,0,38.57,22.83,0,0,5.34,1.71,26.31,0.1[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10384,6.36,0,0,0,35.07,25.95,0,0,6.47,0,25.77,0.38[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10385,9.91,0.1,0,0,34.29,24.6,0,0,3.81,0,26.43,0.86[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10387,6.28,0.59,3.21,0,39.74,16.18,1.55,0,6.27,0,25.49,0.69[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10388,3.48,0.06,2.4,0,36.61,21.67,0,0,8.65,0,27.01,0.12[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10389,4.3,0.33,0,0.22,30.42,22.23,0,0,7.68,0,33.61,1.23[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10390,3.11,0.29,2.3,0,37.87,20,0,0,8.1,0,28.11,0.22[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I10391,3.4,0,3.06,0,36.19,19.93,0,0,8.3,0.54,28.36,0.21[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I7233,1.76,0,1.89,0,37.36,14.79,0,0,9.99,0.16,33.64,0.4[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Anc:I8112,6.08,0.05,0.52,0,36.05,23.93,0,0,6.95,0.66,25.37,0.38[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_BA_lc:I10168,0,0,0,0,16.62,38.96,1.53,0,25.15,0,17.74,0[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_BA_lc:I10171,2.4,0,0,0,20.79,0,0,0,32.11,14.11,30.6,0[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_BA:I7231,3.72,0.62,1.06,0,34.77,21.27,0,0,8.02,0,30.31,0.22[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_IA_lc:I10380,3.95,0,12.4,4.27,52.2,12.95,1.82,0,7.19,0,0,5.23[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_Mdv:I2530,4.84,0.74,0,0.49,25.57,38.33,0,2.24,4.87,0.82,22.09,0[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT='inherit']MKD_N:I3881,0,0,0,0,54.95,0,0,0,10.36,0,34.7,0[/FONT][/COLOR]




Much appreciated!
 
Your closest Montenegro_LBA sample is from the Velika Gruda Centina tumuli, actually late phase Cetina, Proto-Illyrian Dinaric culture tumuli.

Distance to:I13775_MNE_LBA_VelikaGruda_1450-1250BCE(J2b-L283>Z638>Z2197)
0.02516417French_Corsica:CorsicaS04208
0.02655097Italian_Veneto:ALP209
0.02727281Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont149
0.02757824Italian_Bergamo:HGDP01155
0.02832138Italian_Lombardy:ALP288
0.02888427Italian_Bergamo:HGDP01153
0.02905061Italian_Tuscany:NA20505
0.02910195Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont127
0.02919869Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany27
0.02933204Italian_Veneto:ALP116
0.02947330Italian_Veneto:KF1800772
0.02953398Italian_Tuscany:VO65
0.02966241Italian_Piedmont:piedmont61
0.03001279Italian_Tuscany:NA20502
0.03014027Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP200
0.03023620Italian_Bergamo:HGDP01152
0.03039707Albanian:AL12

I think the North Macedonian IA samples were mostly from the Ulanci group which are considered Paeonian.
Do you mean Pannonian?
 
Do you mean Pannonian?
No, I did actually mean Paeonians. Pannonians would be from the Pannonian basin. There were also "outlier" profiles in the MKD samples set but not sure how they plotted, one was, I think more Mycenean like or something. The MKD IA cluster from Marvinci sits between Thracians/ Myceneans and the more north western located Illyrian cluster. There is some minor overlapping however.

Disclaimer: linked that article just for locating these people on the map. Wikipedia is of course not a reliable academic source :embarassed:
 
No, I did actually mean Paeonians. Pannonians would be from the Pannonian basin. There were also "outlier" profiles in the MKD samples set but not sure how they plotted, one was, I think more Mycenean like or something. The MKD IA cluster from Marvinci sits between Thracians/ Myceneans and the more north western located Illyrian cluster. There is some minor overlapping however.

Disclaimer: linked that article just for locating these people on the map. Wikipedia is of course not a reliable academic source :embarassed:

So, from an area in modern North Macedonia.

The closest MKD samples to me are the ones labeled "ancient":

3.96764414MKD_Anc:I10387
4.54598724MKD_Anc:I1039

The closest one from the coast:
4.78524816MNE_LBA:I13167

After that I don't pay much attention.

Oracle:
0.46990874
77.80% MNE_LBA:I13775 + 22.20% TUR_Marmara_Menteşe_N:I0724
0.83739847
75.40% MNE_LBA:I13775 + 24.60% ROU_N:I0739
 
I totally agree with you particularly as I dig deeper into my own family history.

Good to know ,I myself haven't managed to do so but I suspect similar stories for my Messinain side .Did you figure out anything new since your last reply?
 
Good to know ,I myself haven't managed to do so but I suspect similar stories for my Messinain side .Did you figure out anything new since your last reply?

Nothing new only that my paternal Messinian side (both grandparents) families came from two mountain villages in Arcadia (late 17th c) adjacent to one another Alonistana and Roino. I've talked to someone about the history of those villages and it seems that they may have been settled by folks from Northern Greece. Many years ago my dad told me his mother (who was born in 1890) used to say that they had Epirote origins so who knows.
 
To the poster who said that Myceneans on average are closer to the Bulgarian samples than to Anatolia, that's not really the case, although they seem to be close to the KapitanAndreevo_IA, but Alalakh is still closer.

Code:
[SIZE=2]
fst(prefix, pop1 = "GRC_Mycenaean_BA", pop2 = c("GRC_Logkas_MBA", "BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA", "BGR_TellKran_EBA", "BGR_Tell_Ezero_EBA", "TUR_E_Arslantepe_EBA", "TUR_Hatay_Alalakh_MLBA", "BGR_Smyadovo_EBA", "BGR_Merichleri_EBA", "BGR_Merichleri_MLBA", "BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_EBA", "BGR_Diamandievo_IA", "BGR_Beli_Breyag_EBA", "BGR_Boyanovo_EBA"), adjust_pseudohaploid = FALSE)
ℹ Reading allele frequencies from packedancestrymap files...
ℹ SouthernArc_Public.geno has 5940 samples and 1233013 SNPs
ℹ Calculating allele frequencies from 91 samples in 14 populations
ℹ Expected size of allele frequency data: 276 MB
1233k SNPs read...
✔ 1233013 SNPs read in total
! 41075 SNPs remain after filtering. 33781 are polymorphic.
ℹ Allele frequency matrix for 41075 SNPs and 14 populations is 8 MB
ℹ Computing pairwise f2 for all SNPs and population pairs requires 212 MB RAM without splitting
ℹ Computing without splitting since 212 < 8000 (maxmem)...
ℹ Returning fst blocks
# A tibble: 13 × 4
   pop1             pop2                      est       se
   <chr>            <chr>                   <dbl>    <dbl>
 1 GRC_Mycenaean_BA BGR_Beli_Breyag_EBA    0.522  0.00224 
 2 GRC_Mycenaean_BA BGR_Boyanovo_EBA       0.434  0.00262 
 3 GRC_Mycenaean_BA BGR_Diamandievo_IA     0.536  0.00223 
 4 GRC_Mycenaean_BA BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_EBA   0.215  0.00267 
 5 GRC_Mycenaean_BA BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA 0.0888 0.00132 
 6 GRC_Mycenaean_BA BGR_Merichleri_EBA     0.539  0.00212 
 7 GRC_Mycenaean_BA BGR_Merichleri_MLBA    0.543  0.00219 
 8 GRC_Mycenaean_BA BGR_Smyadovo_EBA       0.325  0.00288 
 9 GRC_Mycenaean_BA BGR_Tell_Ezero_EBA     0.314  0.00268 
10 GRC_Mycenaean_BA BGR_TellKran_EBA       0.205  0.00233 
11 GRC_Mycenaean_BA GRC_Logkas_MBA         0.212  0.00262 
12 GRC_Mycenaean_BA TUR_E_Arslantepe_EBA   0.123  0.00180 
13 GRC_Mycenaean_BA TUR_Hatay_Alalakh_MLBA 0.0595 0.000941[/SIZE]
 
To the poster who said that Myceneans on average are closer to the Bulgarian samples than to Anatolia, that's not really the case, although they seem to be close to the KapitanAndreevo_IA, but Alalakh is still closer.

Code:
[SIZE=2]
fst(prefix, pop1 = "GRC_Mycenaean_BA", pop2 = c("GRC_Logkas_MBA", "BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA", "BGR_TellKran_EBA", "BGR_Tell_Ezero_EBA", "TUR_E_Arslantepe_EBA", "TUR_Hatay_Alalakh_MLBA", "BGR_Smyadovo_EBA", "BGR_Merichleri_EBA", "BGR_Merichleri_MLBA", "BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_EBA", "BGR_Diamandievo_IA", "BGR_Beli_Breyag_EBA", "BGR_Boyanovo_EBA"), adjust_pseudohaploid = FALSE)
ℹ Reading allele frequencies from packedancestrymap files...
ℹ SouthernArc_Public.geno has 5940 samples and 1233013 SNPs
ℹ Calculating allele frequencies from 91 samples in 14 populations
ℹ Expected size of allele frequency data: 276 MB
1233k SNPs read...
✔ 1233013 SNPs read in total
! 41075 SNPs remain after filtering. 33781 are polymorphic.
ℹ Allele frequency matrix for 41075 SNPs and 14 populations is 8 MB
ℹ Computing pairwise f2 for all SNPs and population pairs requires 212 MB RAM without splitting
ℹ Computing without splitting since 212 < 8000 (maxmem)...
ℹ Returning fst blocks
# A tibble: 13 × 4
   pop1             pop2                      est       se
   <chr>            <chr>                   <dbl>    <dbl>
 1 GRC_Mycenaean_BA BGR_Beli_Breyag_EBA    0.522  0.00224 
 2 GRC_Mycenaean_BA BGR_Boyanovo_EBA       0.434  0.00262 
 3 GRC_Mycenaean_BA BGR_Diamandievo_IA     0.536  0.00223 
 4 GRC_Mycenaean_BA BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_EBA   0.215  0.00267 
 5 GRC_Mycenaean_BA BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA 0.0888 0.00132 
 6 GRC_Mycenaean_BA BGR_Merichleri_EBA     0.539  0.00212 
 7 GRC_Mycenaean_BA BGR_Merichleri_MLBA    0.543  0.00219 
 8 GRC_Mycenaean_BA BGR_Smyadovo_EBA       0.325  0.00288 
 9 GRC_Mycenaean_BA BGR_Tell_Ezero_EBA     0.314  0.00268 
10 GRC_Mycenaean_BA BGR_TellKran_EBA       0.205  0.00233 
11 GRC_Mycenaean_BA GRC_Logkas_MBA         0.212  0.00262 
12 GRC_Mycenaean_BA TUR_E_Arslantepe_EBA   0.123  0.00180 
13 GRC_Mycenaean_BA TUR_Hatay_Alalakh_MLBA 0.0595 0.000941[/SIZE]
Iron Age Bulgarian samples. The genetic ethnogenesis of Mycenaeans and Thracians was not yet created in MBA and EBA.
Also Western Byzantine Anatolians had some Euro admixture.

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Iron Age Bulgarian samples. The genetic ethnogenesis of Mycenaeans and Thracians was not yet created in MBA and EBA.
Also Western Byzantine Anatolians had some Euro admixture.


I included the BGR_IA southern arc samples, Alalakh_MLBA is still closer, check again.
 
Also, don't take it the wrong way but please don't post g25 crap as some sort of rebuttal when I present you with fst distances straight from the source provided by the authors.

Your methodology is bs and your conclusions based on it false.
 
Also, don't take it the wrong way but please don't post g25 crap as some sort of rebuttal when I present you with fst distances straight from the source provided by the authors.

Your methodology is bs and your conclusions based on it false.

It is a leaked academic PCA not something from G25.
 

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