Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

You can find a list of the ancients here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UrhcfNMLW0oMXIbHGUE60v2taCM7PFw1/view

Here is the list of modern averages: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wZr-UOve0KUKo_Qbgeo27m-CQncZWb8y/view

Samples

Code:
MKD_Skopje_Anc:I10379,0.129758,0.149283,0.021873,-0.027132,0.027082,-0.012829,0.005875,0.001846,0.002659,0.034989,-0.001461,0.01169,-0.007284,-0.003716,-0.019137,0.008353,0.029206,-0.002154,0.005656,0.001876,-0.018093,0.002349,-0.002095,0.008435,-0.004311
MKD_Skopje_Anc:I10381,0.134311,0.151314,0.026776,-0.031331,0.028928,-0.000837,-0.000235,-0.003231,0.006749,0.04319,0.000162,-3e-04,-0.015758,0.005092,-0.009365,-0.006364,0.00678,0.00152,0.006285,0.001751,-0.009358,0.001731,0.003821,-0.003133,0.012334
MKD_Southeast_Valandovo_Anc:I8112,0.12862,0.142174,0.026398,-0.012597,0.035083,-0.011992,-0.00188,0.000923,0.00225,0.025331,-0.000325,0.009292,-0.013974,-0.015138,-0.00475,0.011403,0.017993,0.007348,0.005279,-0.008754,-0.001996,-0.01014,-0.001725,0.000843,-0.008861
MKD_Southeast_Valandovo_Anc:I10383,0.12862,0.149283,0.025267,-0.018734,0.030159,-0.009482,0.003525,-0.004154,0.002454,0.031709,-0.005359,0.013188,-0.020812,-0.017065,-0.012893,0.007823,0.024251,0.007728,0.007165,0.00075,-0.00836,-0.00136,-0.001725,0.009158,-0.005269
MKD_Southeast_Valandovo_Anc:I10390,0.126344,0.153345,0.022627,-0.023256,0.031083,-0.010319,-0.002585,-0.006,0.008795,0.027518,0.001461,0.007643,-0.015015,0.00289,-0.00855,-0.01538,-0.009909,-0.001267,0.003017,-0.02001,-0.012603,0.005193,0.006409,0.005663,-0.005149
MKD_Southeast_Valandovo_Anc:I10391,0.120652,0.159438,0.01697,-0.025194,0.028621,-0.016733,-0.00799,-0.006923,0.008999,0.033167,0,0.004346,-0.008622,0.008395,-0.014115,-0.0179,-0.007302,0.004181,0.008673,-0.013256,-0.010856,0.00272,-0.002588,0.005061,0.001317
MKD_Southwest_Ohrid_Anc:I10384,0.125205,0.156392,0.026398,-0.010013,0.026774,-0.004183,0.002115,-0.003923,0.006954,0.025331,0.001299,0.006894,-0.014123,-0.005918,-0.012758,-0.00053,0.004824,0.002787,0.005028,-0.014257,-0.015223,-0.000371,-0.00986,0.003615,-0.006706
MKD_Southwest_Ohrid_Anc:I10385,0.124067,0.148267,0.02489,-0.009367,0.022158,0,-0.00517,-0.002769,-0.008181,0.021322,0.006496,0.008692,-0.018731,-0.000963,-0.001357,-0.009016,-0.009518,0.004687,0.001634,-0.01038,-0.011729,0.005688,-0.001479,0.001928,0.005389
MKD_Southwest_Ohrid_Anc:I10387,0.113823,0.157407,0.017348,-0.020672,0.031083,-0.005299,-0.011986,0.001615,-0.000409,0.045923,0.003897,0.004196,-0.025272,-0.00812,-0.017372,-0.004641,-0.005607,0.004307,0.017095,-0.012381,-0.010981,0.006677,-0.002342,0.01205,-0.003473
MKD_Southwest_Ohrid_Anc:I10388,0.126344,0.157407,0.019987,-0.019703,0.029236,-0.009761,0.001645,-0.005538,0.006749,0.031162,0.004384,0.008992,-0.014569,-0.004266,-0.013436,-0.004641,0.002347,0.001014,0.008547,-0.012131,-0.012728,0.006925,0.0053,0.011447,-0.005628
MKD_Southwest_Ohrid_Anc:I10389,0.124067,0.147252,0.02753,-0.007106,0.013233,-0.01255,0.004935,-0.006231,-0.002045,0.012574,0.012991,0.002847,-0.011744,-0.0139,-0.008415,0.002917,0.01369,0.009628,0.007416,0.001376,-0.017095,0.023494,-0.000123,0.0194,-0.002634
MKD_Vardar_Gradsko_Anc:I7233,0.119514,0.157407,0.010559,-0.045543,0.030775,-0.013666,-0.000235,0.000923,0.011862,0.04155,0.006658,0.01154,-0.020367,-0.008808,-0.033659,-0.01127,0.009388,0.000253,0.011439,-0.01138,-0.009982,0.013602,-0.005669,0.004458,-0.005269

Closest modern averages

Code:
Distance to:    MKD_Skopje_Anc:I10379
0.04160790    Greek_Corinthia
0.04209242    Italian_Umbria
0.04293713    Italian_Tuscany
0.04331874    Albanian
0.04350649    French_Corsica
0.04363560    Greek_Achaea
0.04382362    Greek_Argolis
0.04386982    Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.04493594    Greek_Peloponnese
0.04494455    Italian_Piedmont

Distance to:    MKD_Skopje_Anc:I10381
0.03504228    French_Corsica
0.03818658    Italian_Lombardy
0.03870528    Italian_Bergamo
0.03948887    Italian_Piedmont
0.03986299    Italian_Tuscany
0.04137620    Italian_Umbria
0.04242321    Greek_Thessaly
0.04266998    Swiss_Italian
0.04275243    Italian_Veneto
0.04287049    Italian_Marche

Distance to:    MKD_Southeast_Valandovo_Anc:I8112
0.03277776    Italian_Veneto
0.03282563    Swiss_Italian
0.03394397    Italian_Piedmont
0.03503558    Italian_Bergamo
0.03530438    French_Corsica
0.03569553    Italian_Tuscany
0.03617877    Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03898551    Italian_Northeast
0.03908354    Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03979649    Spanish_Baleares

Distance to:    MKD_Southeast_Valandovo_Anc:I10383
0.03758136    French_Corsica
0.03813145    Italian_Tuscany
0.03888043    Italian_Piedmont
0.03998897    Swiss_Italian
0.04010991    Italian_Bergamo
0.04024820    Italian_Veneto
0.04093217    Italian_Umbria
0.04426290    Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04493292    Italian_Lombardy
0.04603390    Albanian

Distance to:    MKD_Southeast_Valandovo_Anc:I10390
0.02979567    Italian_Lombardy
0.03365491    Italian_Piedmont
0.03519821    Greek_Thessaly
0.03525994    Italian_Bergamo
0.03596028    Italian_Tuscany
0.03652714    Italian_Marche
0.03657377    French_Corsica
0.03744124    Italian_Liguria
0.04032554    Italian_Veneto
0.04073644    Albanian

Distance to:    MKD_Southeast_Valandovo_Anc:I10391
0.03637200    Italian_Marche
0.03665969    Italian_Lombardy
0.03718366    French_Corsica
0.03749688    Greek_Thessaly
0.03754515    Italian_Tuscany
0.03867890    Italian_Piedmont
0.03900322    Greek_Messenia
0.03952154    Greek_Arcadia
0.03992825    Greek_Argolis
0.04068889    Italian_Umbria

Distance to:    MKD_Southwest_Ohrid_Anc:I10384
0.02658953    Italian_Bergamo
0.02665376    Italian_Piedmont
0.02815767    Italian_Veneto
0.03148070    Italian_Tuscany
0.03157290    Italian_Lombardy
0.03218132    Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03292243    French_Corsica
0.03316853    Swiss_Italian
0.03421080    Italian_Northeast
0.03444028    Greek_Thessaly

Distance to:    MKD_Southwest_Ohrid_Anc:I10385
0.03102428    Italian_Lombardy
0.03106331    Italian_Piedmont
0.03257605    Greek_Thessaly
0.03430976    Italian_Bergamo
0.03548999    Italian_Veneto
0.03595776    Italian_Tuscany
0.03600791    Italian_Liguria
0.03727806    Swiss_Italian
0.03776131    Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03849048    Italian_Northeast

Distance to:    MKD_Southwest_Ohrid_Anc:I10387
0.04172449    French_Corsica
0.04315419    Italian_Tuscany
0.04317575    Italian_Lombardy
0.04376980    Italian_Bergamo
0.04486060    Italian_Piedmont
0.04673105    Italian_Umbria
0.04761407    Italian_Marche
0.04809777    Greek_Thessaly
0.04835839    Italian_Lazio
0.04992830    Italian_Liguria

Distance to:    MKD_Southwest_Ohrid_Anc:I10388
0.02865295    Italian_Piedmont
0.02881542    Italian_Tuscany
0.03067725    French_Corsica
0.03111068    Italian_Lombardy
0.03150509    Italian_Bergamo
0.03239027    Greek_Thessaly
0.03339795    Italian_Marche
0.03390751    Italian_Umbria
0.03504262    Albanian
0.03513450    Italian_Veneto

Distance to:    MKD_Southwest_Ohrid_Anc:I10389
0.04745656    Italian_Piedmont
0.04809294    Italian_Tuscany
0.04818109    Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.04856204    Swiss_Italian
0.04872707    Greek_Thessaly
0.04898417    Albanian
0.04912564    Rumelia_East
0.05038593    Italian_Veneto
0.05127101    Italian_Northeast
0.05157051    Greek_West_Taygetos

Distance to:    MKD_Vardar_Gradsko_Anc:I7233
0.04803218    Italian_Lazio
0.04830066    French_Corsica
0.05103187    Italian_Molise
0.05128321    Italian_Umbria
0.05182249    Italian_Apulia
0.05211776    Italian_Marche
0.05213577    Italian_Abruzzo
0.05261011    Italian_Tuscany
0.05314765    Italian_Basilicata
0.05322605    Greek_Corinthia


Thanks a lot. I will check them out. Some of these samples look like some Thracian and Illyrian samples that were found . Some of these with North-Italy as first are like some Illyrian samples.
 
So none of the ancient North Macedonian samples are close to modern North Macedonians? Hmmmmmmm...
 
So none of the ancient North Macedonian samples are close to modern North Macedonians? Hmmmmmmm...

Even more interesting is that these IA North Macedonians are closer to modern-day Macedonian Greeks than to Mycenaeans or even IA Bulgarians.
(this does not imply that there was no significant population replacement or mixing in Macedonia, there certainly was)

Distance to: MKD_IA_(N=12)
0.03441053 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.03657688 Greek_Macedonia
0.04492735 BGR_IA_(N=9)
0.05240272 Macedonian
0.05809959 GRC_Mycenaean_(N=15)
 
So none of the ancient North Macedonian samples are close to modern North Macedonians? Hmmmmmmm...

Why would they be ? Macedonia was invaded by Bulgarians in 900 AD.

I wonder how much Slavic influence Greek Macedonia has ? I expect samples in actual Greek Macedonia to possibly be like IA Thracians or something between these samples and IA Thracians.
 
Only in the ninth century do we see the expansion of a strong Slav (or quasi-Slav) power into this region. Under a series of ambitious rulers, the Bulgarians - a Slav population which absorbed, linguistically and culturally, its ruling elite of Turkic Bulgars - pushed westwards across modern Macedonia and eastern Serbia, until by the 850s they had taken over Kosovo and were pressing on the borders of Rascia. Soon afterwards they took the western Macedonian town of Ohrid; having recently converted to Christianity, the Bulgar rulers helped to set up a bishopric in Ohrid, which thus became an important centre of Slav culture for the whole region. And at the same time the Bulgarians were pushing on into southern and central Albania, which became thoroughly settled by Bulgarian Slavs during the course of the following century.

..............

Sorry I meant ninth century
 
Even more interesting is that these IA North Macedonians are closer to modern-day Macedonian Greeks than to Mycenaeans or even IA Bulgarians.
(this does not imply that there was no significant population replacement or mixing in Macedonia, there certainly was)

Distance to: MKD_IA_(N=12)
0.03441053 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.03657688 Greek_Macedonia
0.04492735 BGR_IA_(N=9)
0.05240272 Macedonian
0.05809959 GRC_Mycenaean_(N=15)
I got this reply from Bruzmi in Anthrogenica
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With regional averages from the Balkans:

Distance to: MKD_Anc
0.02035549 Albanian_Mirditë
0.02291769 Italian_Tuscany
0.02293867 Italian_Piedmont
0.02468915 French_Corsica
0.02513461 Albanian_Tropojë-Gjakovë
0.02612041 Albanian_Northwestern_Albania
0.02633171 Italian_Bergamo
0.02671033 Albanian_Central_Albania
0.02742488 Italian_Lombardy
0.02794789 Italian_Umbria
0.02798586 Greek_Thessaly
0.02834517 Albanian_Himarë
0.02867494 Albanian_Labëria
0.02889933 Albanian_Montenegro
0.02897302 Albanian_Pukë
0.02949664 Italian_Marche
0.02956238 Greek_Western_Greece_Aetolia-Acarnania
0.02977295 Albanian_Dibra
0.02988281 Swiss_Italian
0.02996540 Albanian
0.03013093 Albanian_Kosovo
0.03023377 Italian_Veneto
0.03027398 Albanian_Korçë
0.03075118 Greek_Central_Greece_Phocis
0.03092072 Greek_Central_Greece_Boeotia
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In the end, we should revive the legend the Mathia (todays Mat region in Albania) is related to the Ancient Macedonians. And todays matians being the core of Albanians. Matzinger at the end is not that off-road.
 
In the end, we should revive the legend the Mathia (todays Mat region in Albania) is related to the Ancient Macedonians. And todays matians being the core of Albanians. Matzinger at the end is not that off-road.

Is the Mirdite average simulated? If I remember correctly, it consists of only 1 sample and is not reliable.

Kelmendasi said:
As a side note, the Albanian_Catholic_Mirdite sample should really be removed or included into one of the other Albanian groups. It is based on a single sample from a rather suspicious and problematic individual (responsible for some questionable posts and trolling) from another forum whose entire ancestry was not entirely clear. The inclusion of his alleged religious affiliation in the label is also a little odd in my opinion.
 
Is the Mirdite average simulated? If I remember correctly, it consists of only 1 sample and is not reliable.
Still Bruzmi in Anthrogenica
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The post is old (before we started collecting G25 coords and G25 sims) and doesn't refer to the Albanian_Mirdita average. The Mirditë average was created by several samples including the one which is uploaded on the official G25 dataset.

Here are the official G25 basic components of another individual from Mirdita who basically has the same profile as the AL12:

Target: Mirdita:AL12Mirdita
Distance: 2.2959% / 0.02295938
61.2 TUR_Barcin_N
36.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.8 WHG
0.8 Han

Target: Mirdita_RP_Albania:Mirdita2
Distance: 2.5585% / 0.02558529
61.2 TUR_Barcin_N
38.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

And several others from other regions with similar profiles:

Target: Albanians_in_Montenegro:Gucia
Distance: 2.9421% / 0.02942079
62.2 TUR_Barcin_N
34.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.2 WHG
0.8 Han
0.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N


Target: Dibra2
Distance: 3.0627% / 0.03062717
64.2 TUR_Barcin_N
34.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.2 WHG
0.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

Target: Podujeva1
Distance: 3.8775% / 0.03877456
59.0 TUR_Barcin_N
32.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
3.2 WHG
3.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.6 Han

Target: Kukës1
Distance: 2.8298% / 0.02829819
59.4 TUR_Barcin_N
37.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.4 WHG

Target: Dibra1
Distance: 2.8707% / 0.02870661
63.0 TUR_Barcin_N
32.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.8 WHG
0.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

All of these are official G25 coords. Similar results have been seen among G25 sims.

The sample is perfectly normal and a core part of the Albanian autosomal profile. The ALB_PostMdv samples from Southern Arc are indeed very close to the samples above:

Target: ALB_PostMdv
Distance: 2.2646% / 0.02264592
62.0 TUR_Barcin_N
34.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.2 WHG
0.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.4 Levant_PPNB
 
Is the Mirdite average simulated? If I remember correctly, it consists of only 1 sample and is not reliable.
Well, it is a pity that the work of first Albanian ethnographer Rrok Zojzi (1910-1995) is not present that much in the main literature. His collection of old poems and tales inherited for centuries would be a treasure, especially in this era of DNA comparison, including the mentioning of the Alexander the Great in those poems and tales.
 
Even more interesting is that these IA North Macedonians are closer to modern-day Macedonian Greeks than to Mycenaeans or even IA Bulgarians.
(this does not imply that there was no significant population replacement or mixing in Macedonia, there certainly was)

Distance to: MKD_IA_(N=12)
0.03441053 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.03657688 Greek_Macedonia
0.04492735 BGR_IA_(N=9)
0.05240272 Macedonian
0.05809959 GRC_Mycenaean_(N=15)

It is possible that many of the native people of North Macedonia (former Paeonia) fled South during the Slavic invasions. Looking for refuge closer to the Greek world and the Aegean. It makes sense, because the people living there were already Greek Orthodox Christians and part of the Greek world, while the newcomers were not.

[COLOR=#3E3E3E said:
1337_[/COLOR]]Why would they be ? Macedonia was invaded by Bulgarians in 900 AD.

I wonder how much Slavic influence Greek Macedonia has ? I expect samples in actual Greek Macedonia to possibly be like IA Thracians or something between these samples and IA Thracians.

Keep in mind that even Greek Macedonia constitutes a region larger than original habitat of the Ancient Macedonians. The Macedonians settled among other Greek tribes as well as Thracian/Paeonian tribes. They expelled them and created their first kingdom. Then, later on, Phillip expanded the kingdom and incorporated other regions absorbing other Greek tribes (Mollosians, Thessalians) as well as Thracian tribes. So Macedonia during Phillip would be from encopasse Mycenaean-like to IA Thracian-like individuals. Basically they would plot just a bit North of Mycenaeans.
 
It is possible that many of the native people of North Macedonia (former Paeonia) fled South during the Slavic invasions. Looking for refuge closer to the Greek world and the Aegean. It makes sense, because the people living there were already Greek Orthodox Christians and part of the Greek world, while the newcomers were not.



Keep in mind that even Greek Macedonia constitutes a region larger than original habitat of the Ancient Macedonians. The Macedonians settled among other Greek tribes as well as Thracian/Paeonian tribes. They expelled them and created their first kingdom. Then, later on, Phillip expanded the kingdom and incorporated other regions absorbing other Greek tribes (Mollosians, Thessalians) as well as Thracian tribes. So Macedonia during Phillip would be from encopasse Mycenaean-like to IA Thracian-like individuals. Basically they would plot just a bit North of Mycenaeans.
Why would you look for such interpretation when even Greek Macedonia was not so much foreign for Slavic speakers you have tribes as Drougobitai,Sagudates,Rhynchinoi that were living around in Greek Macedonia in 7th century.Let aside modern day period.And present day North Macedonia and Greek Macedonia are very close genetically even with all the Pontic refugees that arrived there.
 
Why would you look for such interpretation when even Greek Macedonia was not so much foreign for Slavic speakers you have tribes as Drougobitai,Sagudates,Rhynchinoi that were living around in Greek Macedonia in 7th century.Let aside modern day period.And present day North Macedonia and Greek Macedonia are very close genetically even with all the Pontic refugees that arrived there.

Greek Macedonians do not overlap to IA Thracians or Mycenaeans. So there is always room for the Slavic newcomers to be absorbed in Greek Macedonia.

When comparing modern Greeks to Mycenaeans, of all modern Greek populations Greek Macedonians usually come up as least related to them (aside from some Pontian Greeks). But when comparing Greek Macedonians to IA North Macedonia, the Greek Macedonians are the closest of all Greek and Balkan populations. Now, I don't think Ancient Macedonians would overlap with IA Thracians (given earlier samples) and I don't think that Myceneans + 30% Slavic = IA Thracian (or somethning close to Greek Macedonian). Hence I argue that many indigenous people from North Macedonia migrated South at some point.
 
Is there a way of estimating Slavic admixture in Macedonian Slavs if we compare IA North Macedonia to Macedonian Slavs?
 
Is there a way of estimating Slavic admixture in Macedonian Slavs if we compare IA North Macedonia to Macedonian Slavs?

The Thracian ancestry outweighs the Illyrian/Paonian-ancestry in both South-Western Slavs and Slavic Macedonians when modeling. Similarly how E-V13 outweighs J2b. This can be explain with:
1.) Roman genocide and Daco-Thracian related population movement.
2.) Slavic tribes absorbed some E-V13 lines and their autosomal impact during their road before making permanent settlements.
3.) Or a mixture of both scenarios.
 
The Thracian ancestry outweighs the Illyrian/Paonian-ancestry in both South-Western Slavs and Slavic Macedonians when modeling. Similarly how E-V13 outweighs J2b. This can be explain with:
1.) Roman genocide and Daco-Thracian related population movement.
2.) Slavic tribes absorbed some E-V13 lines and their autosomal impact during their road before making permanent settlements.
3.) Or a mixture of both scenarios.

The frontiers of the empire on the eve of Slavic migrations was also a factor.

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Since the Huns show up, to the times of the the Slavic invasion, the Byzantines were more concerned with invasions to Thrace which would endanger their capitol, Dalmatia was more of a distant outpost, subject to easy raids over and over from Huns, Lobmbards, Gepids, Slavs and Avars. The defense and manpower was concentrated in eastern and central Balkans. The population of Dalmatia was thinned out from constant barbarian raids of almost 200 years. That would explain why Daco-Thracian derived population have left more legacy in Balkan Slavs.
 
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Definitely would like to see more Italic samples processed from various tribes, particularly the Oscans. If they're shifted a bit from Protovillanovan (R1) who is similar to Cetina, that you could easily bracket modern Apulians, and myself with Myceneans.

That would make southern italic tribes similar to the Crete Armenoi sample. A similar scenario makes sense, imho (minoan-like substratum+more steppe ancestry than bronze age aegean populations). Modern southern italian would largely plot between them and Mycenaeans/Iron age Greeks.

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I ran my coordinates with all of the Greek, Ancient Macedonian, Ancient Albanian samples and found that I tend to cluster closer to those archaic/Bronze Age populations well North of my ancestral homeland (Peloponnese).

Distance to:Anthony_C_scaled
0.02880945GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log02
0.03118023MKD_Anc:I10391___female___BC_300___Coverage_66.29%
0.03328139MKD_BA:I7231___R-CTS7556___BC_1219___Coverage_72.93%
0.03329729MKD_Anc:I10388___J-Y13128___BC_708___Coverage_67.44%
0.03407186MKD_Anc:I10390___G-Z6494___BC_393___Coverage_67.94%
0.03898782ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I14692___female___BC_950___Coverage_69.46%
0.03966204MKD_Anc:I10385___female___BC_641___Coverage_69.29%
0.04203850ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I14688___R-L51___BC_500___Coverage_66.52%
0.04217829MKD_Anc:I10381___C-V86___BC_636___Coverage_22.20%
0.04225267GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log04
0.04365851MKD_Anc:I10384___J-Y13128___BC_600___Coverage_65.57%
0.04384365ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16251___R-M269___BC_550___Coverage_36.88%
0.04616448MKD_Anc:I10387___female___BC_600___Coverage_43.99%
0.04792661ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I14690___R-CTS1450___BC_1050___Coverage_65.05%
0.05081105ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16253___J-Y21878___BC_476___Coverage_33.12%
0.05129287MKD_Anc:I7233___female___BC_850___Coverage_74.59%
0.05145260MKD_Anc:I10379___female___BC_641___Coverage_66.02%
0.05351353GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13514___female___BC_1215___Coverage_76.28%
0.05373817GRC_Palace_of_Nestor_EIA:I19368___female___BC_1010___Coverage_10.73%
0.05438663MKD_Anc_outlier2:I10167___R-M269___BC_121___Coverage_12.67%
0.05518335MKD_Anc:I8112___R-CTS1450___BC_664___Coverage_70.53%
0.05540831MKD_Anc:I10383___female___BC_657___Coverage_67.48%
0.05545206GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577___G-Z7016___BC_1250___Coverage_24.67%
0.05663489MKD_Anc:I10389___female___BC_600___Coverage_15.50%
0.06017545GRC_Mycenaean:I9033

 
That would make southern italic tribes similar to the Crete Armenoi sample. A similar scenario makes sense, imho (minoan-like substratum+more steppe ancestry than bronze age aegean populations). Modern southern italian would largely plot between them and Mycenaeans/Iron age Greeks.

K15-V4-Balkan-Samples-Cropped.png


the 2 "dalmatian" are clearly a northern balkan group

below with many lombard samples

 

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