Minoans with EHG ancestry & Mycenaeans without it!

Angela · Aug 28, 2022

Moja said:
There are some other problems, like high amount of Levant ancestry in Mycenaean samples.
I think all of those Minoan samples are too old and they couldn't be related to Mycenaeans.

I don't see why that's necessarily a problem; there were successive waves of dna from Anatolia into Greece from the early Neolithic through to the Bronze Age. Parts of Anatolia, Cyprus, etc. could have carried PPNB in addition to what was in Anatolia Neolithic.

As to your bolded comment, it just doesn't make any sense. What does the age of the Minoan samples matter. How old are the oldest Yamnaya samples, yet they're "related" to a lot of late Bronze Age people. How old is EHG for goodness' sakes?

Angela · Aug 28, 2022

Vallicanus said:
Go to the Eurogenes blog...latest article by Davidski.

I don't agree with his views but he provides a free link to the supplementary information.

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.:awesome:

You don't have to pay to join Science Direct.

Angela · Aug 28, 2022

Moja said:
Look at these samples from "The genetic history of the Southern Arc":

What do you think about it?

What I think is that as the authors state, there was wide variation among the samples they happened to find. Some of the Mycenaeans have 0 Levant, some have .03. It's just the luck of the draw. I'm sure there was as much variation in Minoan Crete.

The flow of dna from Anatolia was constant. Different flows would have had a different make-up. Those who came from southeastern Anatolia, then to Cyprus, then to Crete might have had different proportions than those from different areas in Anatolia.

Just take a look at Italy today. I'm closer to some Balkan countries and Spanish samples than to Southern Anatolia. With the mass migration from southern Italy to Northern Italy starting in the 1950s it's a jumble. If some pop gen researcher 1000 years from now were taking samples from certain areas he'd be amazed at the variation.

Moja · Aug 28, 2022

Angela said:
I don't see why that's necessarily a problem; there were successive waves of dna from Anatolia into Greece from the early Neolithic through to the Bronze Age. Parts of Anatolia, Cyprus, etc. could have carried PPNB in addition to what was in Anatolia Neolithic.

As to your bolded comment, it just doesn't make any sense. What does the age of the Minoan samples matter. How old are the oldest Yamnaya samples, yet they're "related" to a lot of late Bronze Age people. How old is EHG for goodness' sakes?

As you said I also think "successive waves of dna from Anatolia into Greece from the early Neolithic through to the Bronze Age" is the most likely scenario, in fact Minoans were not the only people who came from this region.

Moja · Aug 29, 2022

There are huge cultural similarities between Mycenaeans and ancient Mycians who lived in the south of Caucasus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania

These similarities also exist between them and non-Indo-European people who lived in this region, like Georgians, for example look at it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amirani

Amirani or Amiran (Georgian: ამირანი) is the name of a culture hero of a Georgian epic who resembles the Classical Prometheus. Various versions of the myth reveal a process through which the myth was transformed over time, but the legend itself is traced between 3,000 and 2,000 years BC at the beginning of the first Iron Age, as in the myth Demiurge Amirani defies God by introducing to the human kind the use of metal, and just like Prometheus, he is punished and chained on Caucasus with his cursed dog Q'ursha. Similar to the Prometheus myth, an eagle eats his liver in the day, but it heals itself every night.

Moja · Aug 29, 2022

https://www.greek-traditional-costumes.com/ceremony-outfits/643066.html
https://marketnet.gr/en/greek-tradi...-manto-mavrogenous-4-14years-old-mark569.html

Compare them to traditional costume of women in the south Caucasus, like Talysh.

Name of Talysh people is from Talush, a legendary giant who lived in the south of Caucasus to protect the people of this region, compare it to Talos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talos

Moja · Aug 29, 2022

Phonologically, the closest language to Mycenaean Greek is Northern Kurdish (Kurmanji) in the Caucasus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycenaean_Greek#Phonology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_phonology

As you see, both languages have labiovelar consonants, like ɡʷ and kʷ, and voiceless aspirated consonants, like pʰ and tʰ. None of them existed in the Old Iranian languages.

Moja · Aug 31, 2022

Subclades of J2-L26:

MOESAN · Sep 2, 2022

Angela said:
What I think is that as the authors state, there was wide variation among the samples they happened to find. Some of the Mycenaeans have 0 Levant, some have .03. It's just the luck of the draw. I'm sure there was as much variation in Minoan Crete.

The flow of dna from Anatolia was constant. Different flows would have had a different make-up. Those who came from southeastern Anatolia, then to Cyprus, then to Crete might have had different proportions than those from different areas in Anatolia.

Just take a look at Italy today. I'm closer to some Balkan countries and Spanish samples than to Southern Anatolia. With the mass migration from southern Italy to Northern Italy starting in the 1950s it's a jumble. If some pop gen researcher 1000 years from now were taking samples from certain areas he'd be amazed at the variation.

What strikes me when I look at the new samples of Creta Mycenians and Minoans is the high level of heterogeneity of these people! We are not here in front of stabilized pop. It seems to me there has been permanent moves of people of diverse origin (more individuals than formed groups?) and that these societies integrated people more easily than did the traditional steppic groups.
Have we the Y and mt-haplo's of all?

Francesco · Sep 2, 2022

MOESAN said:
What strikes me when I look at the new samples of Creta Mycenians and Minoans is the high level of heterogeneity of these people! We are not here in front of stabilized pop. It seems to me there has been permanent moves of people of diverse origin (more individuals than formed groups?) and that these societies integrated people more easily than did the traditional steppic groups.
Have we the Y and mt-haplo's of all?

I think it was pretty simpler to make long distance travels by the sea routes of the Aegean and the eastern Mediterranean Sea in the bronze age than by the land routes of the enolithic steppe, so a major presence of outliers is probably to be expected.

Angela · Sep 2, 2022

MOESAN said:
What strikes me when I look at the new samples of Creta Mycenians and Minoans is the high level of heterogeneity of these people! We are not here in front of stabilized pop. It seems to me there has been permanent moves of people of diverse origin (more individuals than formed groups?) and that these societies integrated people more easily than did the traditional steppic groups.
Have we the Y and mt-haplo's of all?

I think someone posted it. When I find it I'll report back.

Duarte · Sep 2, 2022

Angela said:
I think someone posted it. When I find it I'll report back.

Instance ID ("_d" means restricted to damaged sequences)

Master ID

Skeletal code

Age at Death

Skeletal element

Publication

Co-authors associated with this individual

Method for Determining Date (including any warnings)

Date mean in BP [OxCal mu for a direct radiocarbon date, and average of range for a contextual date]

Date standard deviation in BP [OxCal sigma for a direct radiocarbon date, and standard deviation of the uniform disribution between the two bounds for a contextual date]

Full Date: One of two formats. (Format 1) 95.4% CI calibrated radiocarbon age (Conventional Radiocarbon Age BP, Lab number) e.g. 2624-2350 calBCE (3990±40 BP, Ua-35016). (Format 2) Archaeological context range, e.g. 2500-1700 BCE

Analysis_Label

Locality

Country

Lat.

Long.

Data type

No. Libraries

Coverage on autosomal targets

SNPs hit on autosomal targets

Sex

Family ID and position within family

Y chrom. call type

Y haplogroup in terminal mutation notation (automatically called based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam)

Y haplogroup in ISOGG v15.73 notation notation (automatically called based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam)

mtDNA haplogroup if ≥2 or published

mtDNA match to consensus if ≥2 coverage (merged data)

Damage rate in first nucleotide on sequences overlapping 1240k targets (merged data)

Sex ratio [Y/(Y+X) counts] (merged data)

Xcontam ANGSD MOM 95% CI truncated at 0 (only if male and ≥200)

Library type (minus=no.damage.correction, half=damage.retained.at.last.position, plus=damage.fully.corrected, ds=double.stranded.library.preparation, ss=single.stranded.library.preparation)

LibraryID(s)

ASSESSMENT (Xcontam interval is listed if lower bound is >0.005, "QUESTIONABLE" if lower bound is 0.01-0.02, "QUESTIONABLE_CRITICAL" or "FAIL" if lower bound is >0.02) (mtcontam confidence interval is listed if coverage >2 and upper bound is <0.98: 0.9-0.95 is "QUESTIONABLE"; <0.9 is "QUESTIONABLE_CRITICAL", questionable status gets overriden by ANGSD with PASS if upper bound of contamination is <0.01 and QUESTIONABLE if upper bound is 0.01-0.05) (damage for ds.half is "QUESTIONABLE_CRITICAL/FAIL" if <0.01, and recorded but passed if 0.01-0.03; libraries with untreated last base are "QUESTIONABLE_CRITICAL" or "FAIL" if <0.01, "QUESTIONABLE" if 0.01-0.03, and recorded but passed if 0.03-0.1) (sexratio is QUESTIONABLE if [0.03,0.10] or [0.30,0.35); QUESTIONABLE_CRITICAL/FAIL if (0.10,0.30))

I15705

2708; Grave 2, 1

..

bone (phalanx)

This study

Pinhasi, Ron; Kurti, Rovena; Ruka, Rudenc

Direct: IntCal20

8096

49

6223-6067 calBCE (7270±30 BP, PSUAMS-7927)

ALB_N

Podgorie (Southeast, Korça Basin)

Albania

40.810556

20.793889

1240K

1

0.089628

99632

F

n/a (no relatives detected)

n/a [female]

n/a (female)

N1a1a1

[0.953,0.985]

0.133

0.01

n/a (female)

ds.half

S15705.Y1.E1.L1

PASS

I6420_d

I6420

Proskynas IV

Adolescent: 14-15 years

bone (long bone)

This study

Papathanasiou, Anastasia

Direct: IntCal20

3497

34

1613-1503 calBCE (3280±20 BP, PSUAMS-3467)

GRC_Mycenaean_Lokris_BA

Fthiotis, Lokris, Proskynas

Greece

38.609

23.167

1240K

9

0.01477

17816

M

n/a (no relatives detected)

Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam

J

..

ds.half,ds.half,ds.half,ds.half,ds.half,ds.half,ds.half,ds.half,ds.half

S6420.E1.L1,S6420.E1.L2,S6420.E1.L3,S6420.E1.L4,S6420.E1.L5,S6420.E1.L6,S6420.E1.L7,S6420.E1.L8,S6420.E1.L9

PASS

I15582

Sample 18; Tomb 29-Pit 1-K10-KOL 657

Adult

petrous

This study

Triantaphyllou, Sevi

Direct: IntCal20

3466

36

1610-1448 calBCE (3255±25 BP, PSUAMS-7850)

GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA

Attica, Kolikrepi-Spata

Greece

37.960919

23.939801

1240K

1

0.36018

294001

F

n/a (no relatives detected)

n/a [female]

n/a (female)

T2c1+146

[0.976,0.993]

0.307

0.013392521

n/a (female)

ds.half

S15582.Y1.E1.L1

PASS

I13519_d

I13519

1479, Trench N-CO2, Level 30, SN20-0168, GRIFFIN WARRIOR, DNA26

Adult; 30-35 yrs.

petrous (CBD)

This study

Pinhasi, Ron; Davis, Jack; Stocker, Sharon; Schepartz, Lynne

Context: Archaeological - LH IIA Period

3430

23

1520-1440 BCE

GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA

Pylos, Palace of Nestor

Greece

37.026797

21.694586

1240K

17

0.02

24370

M

n/a (no relatives detected)

Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam

F

..

ds.half,ds.half,ds.half,ds.half,ds.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half

S13519.Y1.E2.L1,S13519.Y1.E3.L1,S13519.Y1.E4.L1,S13519.Y1.E5.L1,S13519.Y1.E6.L1,S13519.Y1.E7.L1,S13519.Y1.E8.L1,S13519.Y1.E9.L1,S13519.Y1.E10.L1,S13519.Y1.E11.L1,S13519.Y1.E13.L1,S13519.Y1.E14.L1,S13519.Y1.E15.L1,S13519.Y1.E16.L1,S13519.Y1.E17.L1,S13519.Y1.E18.L1,S13519.Y1.E19.L1

PASS

I14872

Sample 7; Tomb 45-Pit 2-K5-KOL 800

Adult; 40-45 yrs.

tooth (molar)

This study

Triantaphyllou, Sevi

Direct: IntCal20

3425

22

1516-1436 calBCE (3220±20 BP, PSUAMS-7863)

GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA

Attica, Kolikrepi-Spata

Greece

37.960919

23.939801

1240K

1

0.023057

26643

F

n/a (no relatives detected)

n/a [female]

n/a (female)

HV

[0.791,0.937]

0.135

0.012

n/a (female)

ss.half

S14872.Y1.E1.L1

QUESTIONABLE (mtcontam=[0.791,0.937])

I15571

Sample 8; Tomb 45-Pit 1-K2-KOL 1128

Juvenile; 8-9 yrs.

petrous

This study

Triantaphyllou, Sevi

Direct: IntCal20

3417

21

1505-1429 calBCE (3200±20 BP, PSUAMS-6939)

GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA

Attica, Kolikrepi-Spata

Greece

37.960919

23.939801

1240K

1

0.738654

498075

F

n/a (no relatives detected)

n/a [female]

n/a (female)

HV0a

[0.971,0.994]

0.148

0.011

n/a (female)

ss.half

S15571.Y1.E1.L1

PASS

I16709

Sample 24; Tomb 46-Pit 1-K2-KOL 321

Adult; 30-40 yrs.

petrous

This study

Triantaphyllou, Sevi

Direct: IntCal20

3369

41

1497-1316 calBCE (3145±25 BP, PSUAMS-7813)

GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA

Attica, Kolikrepi-Spata

Greece

37.960919

23.939801

1240K

1

0.170825

175972

M

n/a (no relatives detected)

Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam

J-Y14434

J2a1a2b2a2b2~

H5

[0.975,0.999]

0.231

0.410164639

n/a (<200 SNPs)

ds.half

S16709.Y1.E1.L1

PASS

I13516

1476, Tsakalis, PY2, Dromos/Tomb E3, Cist grave, 8/11/56, DNA6

Young adult; 20-25 yrs.

petrous (CBD)

This study

Pinhasi, Ron; Davis, Jack; Stocker, Sharon; Schepartz, Lynne

Context: Archaeological - LH IIIA1 Period

3335

14

1410-1360 BCE

GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA

Pylos, Palace of Nestor

Greece

37.026797

21.694586

1240K

3

0.07

78375

F

n/a (no relatives detected)

n/a [female]

n/a (female)

J1c1

[0.843,0.959]

0.24

0.016073871

n/a (female)

ds.half,ss.half,ss.half

S13516.Y1.E1.L1,S13516.Y1.E2.L1,S13516.Y1.E3.L1

PASS (mtcontam=[0.843,0.959])

I13510

1433, Kondou, Tomb K-1, PY31 (Kontos), Skull, 1957 DNA7

Adult; 35-45 yrs.

petrous (CBD)

This study

Pinhasi, Ron; Davis, Jack; Stocker, Sharon; Schepartz, Lynne

Context: Archaeological - LH IIA2 Period

3278

19

1360-1295 BCE

GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA

Pylos, Palace of Nestor

Greece

37.026797

21.694586

1240K

1

0.08015

88306

M

Greece, Palace of Nestor Family B (3 members) (I13510-I13517 are 1d.rels; I19366 has a 3d relationship to both I13517 and I13510)

Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam

G-P287

G

H7

[0.875,0.966]

0.274

0.4

n/a (<200 SNPs)

ds.half

S13510.Y1.E1.L1

PASS (mtcontam=[0.875,0.966])

I13517_d

I13517

1477, Kondou, Tomb K-1, PY32 (Kontos), Skull, 1957, DNA8

Adult; 45+ yrs.

petrous (CBD)

This study

Pinhasi, Ron; Davis, Jack; Stocker, Sharon; Schepartz, Lynne

Context: Archaeological - LH IIA2 Period

3278

19

1360-1295 BCE

GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA

Pylos, Palace of Nestor

Greece

37.026797

21.694586

1240K

4

0.332

295182

M

Greece, Palace of Nestor Family B (3 members) (I13510-I13517 have a 1d relationship; I19366 has a 2d or 3d relationship to I13510-I13517)

Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam

G-Z6494

G2a2a1a2a1a1

..

ds.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half

S13517.Y1.E1.L1,S13517.Y1.E3.L1,S13517.Y1.E4.L1,S13517.Y1.E5.L1

PASS

I19366

P6187; 2/7/57, Kondou I, [7], Pit in dromos, DNA9

Subadult

tooth

This study

Pinhasi, Ron; Davis, Jack; Stocker, Sharon; Schepartz, Lynne

Context: Archaeological - LH IIA2 Period

3278

19

1360-1295 BCE

GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA

Pylos, Palace of Nestor

Greece

37.026797

21.694586

1240K

1

0.868

576543

F

Greece, Palace of Nestor Family B (3 members) (I13510-I13517 are 1d.rels; I19366 has a 3d relationship to both I13517 and I13510)

n/a [female]

n/a (female)

J1c+16261

[0.969,0.989]

0.115

0.011

n/a (female)

ss.half

S19366.Y1.E1.L1

PASS

I13578

KS-T2B; comingled burial Tomb A

..

tooth

This study

Sideris, Athanasios; Liritzis, Ioannis; Levy, T.

Direct: IntCal20

3262

50

1397-1222 calBCE (3045±25 BP, PSUAMS-6186)

GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA

Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi)

Greece

38.399083

22.575

1240K

2

0.133968

144077

F

n/a (no relatives detected)

n/a [female]

n/a (female)

K1a2

..

n/a (female)

ds.half,ds.half

S13578.E1.L1,S13578.E1.L2

PASS

I13428

KS-T1-4; comingled burial Tomb A

..

tooth

This study

Sideris, Athanasios; Liritzis, Ioannis; Levy, T.

Direct: IntCal20

3243

51

1386-1217 calBCE (3030±20 BP, PSUAMS-7560)

GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA

Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi)

Greece

38.399083

22.575

1240K

3

0.064

71534

M

n/a (no relatives detected)

Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam

G-L30

G2a2b

H2

[0.878,0.973]

0.274

0.401226994

n/a (<200 SNPs)

ds.half,ds.half,ss.half

S13428.E1.L1,S13428.E1.L2,S13428.E1.L6

PASS (mtcontam=[0.878,0.973])

I13579

KS-T2C; comingled burial Tomb A

..

tooth

This study

Sideris, Athanasios; Liritzis, Ioannis; Levy, T.

Direct: IntCal20

3216

51

1382-1134 calBCE (3015±20 BP, PSUAMS-6187)

GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA

Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi)

Greece

38.399083

22.575

1240K

2

0.201294

207257

M

n/a (no relatives detected)

Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam

J-Y14434

J2a1a2b2a2b2~

W1

..

[0,0.035]

ds.half,ds.half

S13579.E1.L1,S13579.E1.L2

PASS

I13577

KS-T2A; comingled burial Tomb A

..

tooth

This study

Sideris, Athanasios; Liritzis, Ioannis; Levy, T.

Context: Archaeological - Period

3200

58

1350-1150 BCE

GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA

Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi)

Greece

38.399083

22.575

1240K

6

0.3

283861

M

n/a (no relatives detected)

Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam

G-Z7016

G2a2b2b1a1a2

T2c1d1

[0.996,1]

0.199

0.409422004

[0.003,0.05]

ds.half,ds.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half

S13577.E1.L1,S13577.E1.L2,S13577.E1.L3,S13577.E1.L4,S13577.E1.L5,S13577.E1.L6

PASS

I13536_d

I13536

KAS-9; comingled burial Tomb A

..

bone

This study

Sideris, Athanasios; Liritzis, Ioannis; Levy, T.

Context: Archaeological - Period

3200

58

1350-1150 BCE

GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA_lc

Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi)

Greece

38.399083

22.575

1240K

4

0.004

5236

F

n/a (no relatives detected)

n/a [female]

n/a (female)

..

n/a (female)

ds.half,ds.half,ss.half,ss.half

S13536.E1.L1,S13536.E1.L2,S13536.E1.L5,S13536.E1.L6

PASS

I13531

KAS-3; comingled burial Tomb A

..

bone

This study

Sideris, Athanasios; Liritzis, Ioannis; Levy, T.

Context: Archaeological - Period

3200

58

1350-1150 BCE

GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA

Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi)

Greece

38.399083

22.575

1240K

4

0.022

25617

F

n/a (no relatives detected)

n/a [female]

n/a (female)

U3b

[0.92,0.969]

0.139

0.019507187

n/a (female)

ds.half,ds.half,ss.half,ss.half

S13531.E1.L1,S13531.E1.L2,S13531.E1.L5,S13531.E1.L6

PASS (mtcontam=[0.92,0.969])

I13433

KS-T1-8; comingled burial Tomb A

..

tooth

This study

Sideris, Athanasios; Liritzis, Ioannis; Levy, T.

Context: Archaeological - Period

3200

58

1350-1150 BCE

GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA

Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi)

Greece

38.399083

22.575

1240K

4

0.026

30085

F

n/a (no relatives detected)

n/a [female]

n/a (female)

U3b1

[0.91,0.992]

0.241

0.01759015

n/a (female)

ds.half,ds.half,ss.half,ss.half

S13433.E1.L1,S13433.E1.L2,S13433.E1.L5,S13433.E1.L6

PASS

I13580

KAS-10; comingled burial Tomb A

..

bone

This study

Sideris, Athanasios; Liritzis, Ioannis; Levy, T.

Direct: IntCal20

3169

55

1371-1123 calBCE (2990±25 BP, PSUAMS-6823)

GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA

Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi)

Greece

38.399083

22.575

1240K

4

0.028

32345

M

n/a (no relatives detected)

Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam

G-P287

G

K2b

[0.967,0.997]

0.152

0.371757925

n/a (<200 SNPs)

ds.half,ds.half,ss.half,ss.half

S13580.E1.L1,S13580.E1.L2,S13580.E1.L5,S13580.E1.L6

PASS

I13514

1474, Kokkevis, Tomb V, KK3d, 1959, KK2 (4), Skull 3d, DNA23

Adolescent; 12-18 yrs.

petrous (CBD)

This study

Pinhasi, Ron; Davis, Jack; Stocker, Sharon; Schepartz, Lynne

Context: Archaeological - LH IIIA2 and LHIIIC Middle-Late Period

3165

84

1360-1070 BCE

GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA

Pylos, Palace of Nestor

Greece

37.026797

21.694586

1240K

5

2.807

877653

F

n/a (no relatives detected)

n/a [female]

n/a (female)

K1c1

[0.969,0.988]

0.207

0.008946154

n/a (female)

ds.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half

S13514.Y1.E2.L1,S13514.Y1.E3.L1,S13514.Y1.E4.L1,S13514.Y1.E5.L1,S13514.Y1.E6.L1

PASS

I13513_d

I13513

1473, Kokkevis, Tomb V, KK3a, 7/7/59, 3 skulls from s.part of tomb (1st layer), 11A, DNA22

Adolescent; 12-18 yrs.

petrous (CBD)

This study

Pinhasi, Ron; Davis, Jack; Stocker, Sharon; Schepartz, Lynne

Context: Archaeological - LH IIIA2 and LHIIIC Middle-Late Period

3165

84

1360-1070 BCE

GRC_BA_Mycenaean_lc

Pylos, Palace of Nestor

Greece

37.026797

21.694586

1240K

5

0.004

5413

U

n/a (no relatives detected)

n/a [sex uncalled]

n/a (sex unknown)

..

n/a (sex unknown)

ds.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half

S13513.Y1.E2.L1,S13513.Y1.E3.L1,S13513.Y1.E4.L1,S13513.Y1.E5.L1,S13513.Y1.E6.L1

PASS

I13532

KAS-4; comingled burial Tomb A

..

bone

This study

Sideris, Athanasios; Liritzis, Ioannis; Levy, T.

Direct: IntCal20

3143

51

1367-1112 calBCE (2975±25 BP, PSUAMS-6809)

GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA

Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi)

Greece

38.399083

22.575

1240K

2

0.013358

15607

F

n/a (no relatives detected)

n/a [female]

n/a (female)

U3b1b

..

n/a (female)

ds.half,ds.half

S13532.E1.L1,S13532.E1.L2

PASS

I13518

1478, Kokkevis, Tomb V, KK1b, 1959, DNA18

Adult; 30-35 yrs.

petrous (CBD)

This study

Pinhasi, Ron; Davis, Jack; Stocker, Sharon; Schepartz, Lynne

Context: Archaeological - LH IIIC Middle-Late Period

3085

38

1200-1070 BCE

GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA

Pylos, Palace of Nestor

Greece

37.026797

21.694586

1240K

5

3.774

933278

M

n/a (no relatives detected)

Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam

R-PF7563

R1b1a1b

N1a1a1a3

[0.756,0.96]

0.267

0.421505193

[0.007,0.013]

ds.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half

S13518.Y1.E2.L1,S13518.Y1.E3.L1,S13518.Y1.E4.L1,S13518.Y1.E5.L1,S13518.Y1.E6.L1

PASS (mtcontam=[0.756,0.96], Xcontam=[0.007,0.013])

I13506_d

I13506

1429, Kokkevis, Tomb V, KK1a, 1959, KK1+KK4 DNA17

Adult; 35-40 yrs.

petrous (CBD)

This study

Pinhasi, Ron; Davis, Jack; Stocker, Sharon; Schepartz, Lynne

Context: Archaeological - LH IIIC Middle-Late Period

3085

38

1200-1070 BCE

GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA_father.or.son.I13518

Pylos, Palace of Nestor

Greece

37.026797

21.694586

1240K

5

0.241

231551

M

Greece, Palace of Nestor Family A (3 members) (I13506-I13518 have a father-son relationship; I19364 has a 2d or 3d relationship to I13506-I13518)

Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam

R-M269

R1b1a1b

..

ds.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half

S13506.Y1.E2.L1,S13506.Y1.E3.L1,S13506.Y1.E4.L1,S13506.Y1.E5.L1,S13506.Y1.E6.L1

PASS

I19364

P6185; 7/7/59, Kokkevis, Tomb V, 3 skulls from s.part of tomb (1st layer), (11A)

..

tooth; tooth; tooth; tooth; tooth; tooth

This study

Pinhasi, Ron; Davis, Jack; Stocker, Sharon; Schepartz, Lynne

Context: Archaeological - LH IIIC Middle-Late Period

3085

38

1200-1070 BCE

GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA

Pylos, Palace of Nestor

Greece

37.026797

21.694586

1240K

1

0.137

139966

M

n/a (no relatives detected)

Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam

R-M269

R1b1a1b

X

[0.952,0.992]

0.164

0.445

n/a (<200 SNPs)

ss.half

S19364.Y1.E1.L1

MERGE_PASS

KRV.BxV.B.1106

..

petrous

This study

Karkanas, Panagiotis; Chrisoulaki, Stella

Direct: IntCal20

3768

43

1894-1744 calBCE (3500±25 BP, PSUAMS-6821)

GRC_Minoan_Zakros_BA

Crete, Zakros, Karaviadaina

Greece

35.085833

26.247778

1240K

1

0.143592

151583

F

n/a (no relatives detected)

n/a [female]

n/a (female)

H

[0.958,0.992]

0.191

0.008

n/a (female)

ss.half

S14916.Y1.E1.L1

PASS

Angela · Sep 2, 2022

Duarte said:
I14916 I14916 KRV.BxV.B.1106 .. petrous This study Karkanas, Panagiotis; Chrisoulaki, Stella Direct: IntCal20 3768 43 1894-1744 calBCE (3500±25 BP, PSUAMS-6821) GRC_Minoan_Zakros_BA Crete, Zakros, Karaviadaina Greece 35.085833 26.247778 1240K 1 0.143592 151583 F n/a (no relatives detected) n/a [female] n/a (female) n/a (female) H [0.958,0.992] 0.191 0.008 n/a (female) ss.half S14916.Y1.E1.L1 PASS

I6420_d I6420 Proskynas IV Adolescent: 14-15 years bone (long bone) This study Papathanasiou, Anastasia Direct: IntCal20 3497 34 1613-1503 calBCE (3280±20 BP, PSUAMS-3467) GRC_Mycenaean_Lokris_BA Fthiotis, Lokris, Proskynas Greece 38.609 23.167 1240K 9 0.01477 17816 M n/a (no relatives detected) Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam J J .. .. .. .. .. ds.half,ds.half,ds.half,ds.half,ds.half,ds.half,ds.half,ds.half,ds.half S6420.E1.L1,S6420.E1.L2,S6420.E1.L3,S6420.E1.L4,S6420.E1.L5,S6420.E1.L6,S6420.E1.L7,S6420.E1.L8,S6420.E1.L9 PASS
I15582 I15582 Sample 18; Tomb 29-Pit 1-K10-KOL 657 Adult petrous This study Triantaphyllou, Sevi Direct: IntCal20 3466 36 1610-1448 calBCE (3255±25 BP, PSUAMS-7850) GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA Attica, Kolikrepi-Spata Greece 37.960919 23.939801 1240K 1 0.36018 294001 F n/a (no relatives detected) n/a [female] n/a (female) n/a (female) T2c1+146 [0.976,0.993] 0.307 0.013392521 n/a (female) ds.half S15582.Y1.E1.L1 PASS
I13519_d I13519 1479, Trench N-CO2, Level 30, SN20-0168, GRIFFIN WARRIOR, DNA26 Adult; 30-35 yrs. petrous (CBD) This study Pinhasi, Ron; Davis, Jack; Stocker, Sharon; Schepartz, Lynne Context: Archaeological - LH IIA Period 3430 23 1520-1440 BCE GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37.026797 21.694586 1240K 17 0.02 24370 M n/a (no relatives detected) Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam F F .. .. .. .. .. ds.half,ds.half,ds.half,ds.half,ds.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half S13519.Y1.E2.L1,S13519.Y1.E3.L1,S13519.Y1.E4.L1,S13519.Y1.E5.L1,S13519.Y1.E6.L1,S13519.Y1.E7.L1,S13519.Y1.E8.L1,S13519.Y1.E9.L1,S13519.Y1.E10.L1,S13519.Y1.E11.L1,S13519.Y1.E13.L1,S13519.Y1.E14.L1,S13519.Y1.E15.L1,S13519.Y1.E16.L1,S13519.Y1.E17.L1,S13519.Y1.E18.L1,S13519.Y1.E19.L1 PASS
I14872 I14872 Sample 7; Tomb 45-Pit 2-K5-KOL 800 Adult; 40-45 yrs. tooth (molar) This study Triantaphyllou, Sevi Direct: IntCal20 3425 22 1516-1436 calBCE (3220±20 BP, PSUAMS-7863) GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA Attica, Kolikrepi-Spata Greece 37.960919 23.939801 1240K 1 0.023057 26643 F n/a (no relatives detected) n/a [female] n/a (female) n/a (female) HV [0.791,0.937] 0.135 0.012 n/a (female) ss.half S14872.Y1.E1.L1 QUESTIONABLE (mtcontam=[0.791,0.937])
I15571 I15571 Sample 8; Tomb 45-Pit 1-K2-KOL 1128 Juvenile; 8-9 yrs. petrous This study Triantaphyllou, Sevi Direct: IntCal20 3417 21 1505-1429 calBCE (3200±20 BP, PSUAMS-6939) GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA Attica, Kolikrepi-Spata Greece 37.960919 23.939801 1240K 1 0.738654 498075 F n/a (no relatives detected) n/a [female] n/a (female) n/a (female) HV0a [0.971,0.994] 0.148 0.011 n/a (female) ss.half S15571.Y1.E1.L1 PASS
I16709 I16709 Sample 24; Tomb 46-Pit 1-K2-KOL 321 Adult; 30-40 yrs. petrous This study Triantaphyllou, Sevi Direct: IntCal20 3369 41 1497-1316 calBCE (3145±25 BP, PSUAMS-7813) GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA Attica, Kolikrepi-Spata Greece 37.960919 23.939801 1240K 1 0.170825 175972 M n/a (no relatives detected) Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam J-Y14434 J2a1a2b2a2b2~ H5 [0.975,0.999] 0.231 0.410164639 n/a (<200 SNPs) ds.half S16709.Y1.E1.L1 PASS
I13516 I13516 1476, Tsakalis, PY2, Dromos/Tomb E3, Cist grave, 8/11/56, DNA6 Young adult; 20-25 yrs. petrous (CBD) This study Pinhasi, Ron; Davis, Jack; Stocker, Sharon; Schepartz, Lynne Context: Archaeological - LH IIIA1 Period 3335 14 1410-1360 BCE GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37.026797 21.694586 1240K 3 0.07 78375 F n/a (no relatives detected) n/a [female] n/a (female) n/a (female) J1c1 [0.843,0.959] 0.24 0.016073871 n/a (female) ds.half,ss.half,ss.half S13516.Y1.E1.L1,S13516.Y1.E2.L1,S13516.Y1.E3.L1 PASS (mtcontam=[0.843,0.959])
I13510 I13510 1433, Kondou, Tomb K-1, PY31 (Kontos), Skull, 1957 DNA7 Adult; 35-45 yrs. petrous (CBD) This study Pinhasi, Ron; Davis, Jack; Stocker, Sharon; Schepartz, Lynne Context: Archaeological - LH IIA2 Period 3278 19 1360-1295 BCE GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37.026797 21.694586 1240K 1 0.08015 88306 M Greece, Palace of Nestor Family B (3 members) (I13510-I13517 are 1d.rels; I19366 has a 3d relationship to both I13517 and I13510) Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam G-P287 G H7 [0.875,0.966] 0.274 0.4 n/a (<200 SNPs) ds.half S13510.Y1.E1.L1 PASS (mtcontam=[0.875,0.966])
I13517_d I13517 1477, Kondou, Tomb K-1, PY32 (Kontos), Skull, 1957, DNA8 Adult; 45+ yrs. petrous (CBD) This study Pinhasi, Ron; Davis, Jack; Stocker, Sharon; Schepartz, Lynne Context: Archaeological - LH IIA2 Period 3278 19 1360-1295 BCE GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37.026797 21.694586 1240K 4 0.332 295182 M Greece, Palace of Nestor Family B (3 members) (I13510-I13517 have a 1d relationship; I19366 has a 2d or 3d relationship to I13510-I13517) Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam G-Z6494 G2a2a1a2a1a1 .. .. .. .. .. ds.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half S13517.Y1.E1.L1,S13517.Y1.E3.L1,S13517.Y1.E4.L1,S13517.Y1.E5.L1 PASS
I19366 I19366 P6187; 2/7/57, Kondou I, [7], Pit in dromos, DNA9 Subadult tooth This study Pinhasi, Ron; Davis, Jack; Stocker, Sharon; Schepartz, Lynne Context: Archaeological - LH IIA2 Period 3278 19 1360-1295 BCE GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37.026797 21.694586 1240K 1 0.868 576543 F Greece, Palace of Nestor Family B (3 members) (I13510-I13517 are 1d.rels; I19366 has a 3d relationship to both I13517 and I13510) n/a [female] n/a (female) n/a (female) J1c+16261 [0.969,0.989] 0.115 0.011 n/a (female) ss.half S19366.Y1.E1.L1 PASS
I13578 I13578 KS-T2B; comingled burial Tomb A .. tooth This study Sideris, Athanasios; Liritzis, Ioannis; Levy, T. Direct: IntCal20 3262 50 1397-1222 calBCE (3045±25 BP, PSUAMS-6186) GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38.399083 22.575 1240K 2 0.133968 144077 F n/a (no relatives detected) n/a [female] n/a (female) n/a (female) K1a2 .. .. .. n/a (female) ds.half,ds.half S13578.E1.L1,S13578.E1.L2 PASS
I13428 I13428 KS-T1-4; comingled burial Tomb A .. tooth This study Sideris, Athanasios; Liritzis, Ioannis; Levy, T. Direct: IntCal20 3243 51 1386-1217 calBCE (3030±20 BP, PSUAMS-7560) GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38.399083 22.575 1240K 3 0.064 71534 M n/a (no relatives detected) Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam G-L30 G2a2b H2 [0.878,0.973] 0.274 0.401226994 n/a (<200 SNPs) ds.half,ds.half,ss.half S13428.E1.L1,S13428.E1.L2,S13428.E1.L6 PASS (mtcontam=[0.878,0.973])
I13579 I13579 KS-T2C; comingled burial Tomb A .. tooth This study Sideris, Athanasios; Liritzis, Ioannis; Levy, T. Direct: IntCal20 3216 51 1382-1134 calBCE (3015±20 BP, PSUAMS-6187) GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38.399083 22.575 1240K 2 0.201294 207257 M n/a (no relatives detected) Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam J-Y14434 J2a1a2b2a2b2~ W1 .. .. .. [0,0.035] ds.half,ds.half S13579.E1.L1,S13579.E1.L2 PASS
I13577 I13577 KS-T2A; comingled burial Tomb A .. tooth This study Sideris, Athanasios; Liritzis, Ioannis; Levy, T. Context: Archaeological - Period 3200 58 1350-1150 BCE GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38.399083 22.575 1240K 6 0.3 283861 M n/a (no relatives detected) Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam G-Z7016 G2a2b2b1a1a2 T2c1d1 [0.996,1] 0.199 0.409422004 [0.003,0.05] ds.half,ds.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half S13577.E1.L1,S13577.E1.L2,S13577.E1.L3,S13577.E1.L4,S13577.E1.L5,S13577.E1.L6 PASS
I13536_d I13536 KAS-9; comingled burial Tomb A .. bone This study Sideris, Athanasios; Liritzis, Ioannis; Levy, T. Context: Archaeological - Period 3200 58 1350-1150 BCE GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA_lc Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38.399083 22.575 1240K 4 0.004 5236 F n/a (no relatives detected) n/a [female] n/a (female) n/a (female) .. .. .. .. n/a (female) ds.half,ds.half,ss.half,ss.half S13536.E1.L1,S13536.E1.L2,S13536.E1.L5,S13536.E1.L6 PASS
I13531 I13531 KAS-3; comingled burial Tomb A .. bone This study Sideris, Athanasios; Liritzis, Ioannis; Levy, T. Context: Archaeological - Period 3200 58 1350-1150 BCE GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38.399083 22.575 1240K 4 0.022 25617 F n/a (no relatives detected) n/a [female] n/a (female) n/a (female) U3b [0.92,0.969] 0.139 0.019507187 n/a (female) ds.half,ds.half,ss.half,ss.half S13531.E1.L1,S13531.E1.L2,S13531.E1.L5,S13531.E1.L6 PASS (mtcontam=[0.92,0.969])
I13433 I13433 KS-T1-8; comingled burial Tomb A .. tooth This study Sideris, Athanasios; Liritzis, Ioannis; Levy, T. Context: Archaeological - Period 3200 58 1350-1150 BCE GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38.399083 22.575 1240K 4 0.026 30085 F n/a (no relatives detected) n/a [female] n/a (female) n/a (female) U3b1 [0.91,0.992] 0.241 0.01759015 n/a (female) ds.half,ds.half,ss.half,ss.half S13433.E1.L1,S13433.E1.L2,S13433.E1.L5,S13433.E1.L6 PASS
I13580 I13580 KAS-10; comingled burial Tomb A .. bone This study Sideris, Athanasios; Liritzis, Ioannis; Levy, T. Direct: IntCal20 3169 55 1371-1123 calBCE (2990±25 BP, PSUAMS-6823) GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38.399083 22.575 1240K 4 0.028 32345 M n/a (no relatives detected) Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam G-P287 G K2b [0.967,0.997] 0.152 0.371757925 n/a (<200 SNPs) ds.half,ds.half,ss.half,ss.half S13580.E1.L1,S13580.E1.L2,S13580.E1.L5,S13580.E1.L6 PASS
I13514 I13514 1474, Kokkevis, Tomb V, KK3d, 1959, KK2 (4), Skull 3d, DNA23 Adolescent; 12-18 yrs. petrous (CBD) This study Pinhasi, Ron; Davis, Jack; Stocker, Sharon; Schepartz, Lynne Context: Archaeological - LH IIIA2 and LHIIIC Middle-Late Period 3165 84 1360-1070 BCE GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37.026797 21.694586 1240K 5 2.807 877653 F n/a (no relatives detected) n/a [female] n/a (female) n/a (female) K1c1 [0.969,0.988] 0.207 0.008946154 n/a (female) ds.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half S13514.Y1.E2.L1,S13514.Y1.E3.L1,S13514.Y1.E4.L1,S13514.Y1.E5.L1,S13514.Y1.E6.L1 PASS
I13513_d I13513 1473, Kokkevis, Tomb V, KK3a, 7/7/59, 3 skulls from s.part of tomb (1st layer), 11A, DNA22 Adolescent; 12-18 yrs. petrous (CBD) This study Pinhasi, Ron; Davis, Jack; Stocker, Sharon; Schepartz, Lynne Context: Archaeological - LH IIIA2 and LHIIIC Middle-Late Period 3165 84 1360-1070 BCE GRC_BA_Mycenaean_lc Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37.026797 21.694586 1240K 5 0.004 5413 U n/a (no relatives detected) n/a [sex uncalled] n/a (sex unknown) n/a (sex unknown) .. .. .. .. n/a (sex unknown) ds.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half S13513.Y1.E2.L1,S13513.Y1.E3.L1,S13513.Y1.E4.L1,S13513.Y1.E5.L1,S13513.Y1.E6.L1 PASS
I13532 I13532 KAS-4; comingled burial Tomb A .. bone This study Sideris, Athanasios; Liritzis, Ioannis; Levy, T. Direct: IntCal20 3143 51 1367-1112 calBCE (2975±25 BP, PSUAMS-6809) GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA Kastrouli (Desfina, Phokis, near Delphi) Greece 38.399083 22.575 1240K 2 0.013358 15607 F n/a (no relatives detected) n/a [female] n/a (female) n/a (female) U3b1b .. .. .. n/a (female) ds.half,ds.half S13532.E1.L1,S13532.E1.L2 PASS
I13518 I13518 1478, Kokkevis, Tomb V, KK1b, 1959, DNA18 Adult; 30-35 yrs. petrous (CBD) This study Pinhasi, Ron; Davis, Jack; Stocker, Sharon; Schepartz, Lynne Context: Archaeological - LH IIIC Middle-Late Period 3085 38 1200-1070 BCE GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37.026797 21.694586 1240K 5 3.774 933278 M n/a (no relatives detected) Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam R-PF7563 R1b1a1b N1a1a1a3 [0.756,0.96] 0.267 0.421505193 [0.007,0.013] ds.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half S13518.Y1.E2.L1,S13518.Y1.E3.L1,S13518.Y1.E4.L1,S13518.Y1.E5.L1,S13518.Y1.E6.L1 PASS (mtcontam=[0.756,0.96], Xcontam=[0.007,0.013])
I13506_d I13506 1429, Kokkevis, Tomb V, KK1a, 1959, KK1+KK4 DNA17 Adult; 35-40 yrs. petrous (CBD) This study Pinhasi, Ron; Davis, Jack; Stocker, Sharon; Schepartz, Lynne Context: Archaeological - LH IIIC Middle-Late Period 3085 38 1200-1070 BCE GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA_father.or.son.I13518 Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37.026797 21.694586 1240K 5 0.241 231551 M Greece, Palace of Nestor Family A (3 members) (I13506-I13518 have a father-son relationship; I19364 has a 2d or 3d relationship to I13506-I13518) Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam R-M269 R1b1a1b .. .. .. .. .. ds.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half,ss.half S13506.Y1.E2.L1,S13506.Y1.E3.L1,S13506.Y1.E4.L1,S13506.Y1.E5.L1,S13506.Y1.E6.L1 PASS
I19364 I19364 P6185; 7/7/59, Kokkevis, Tomb V, 3 skulls from s.part of tomb (1st layer), (11A) .. tooth; tooth; tooth; tooth; tooth; tooth This study Pinhasi, Ron; Davis, Jack; Stocker, Sharon; Schepartz, Lynne Context: Archaeological - LH IIIC Middle-Late Period 3085 38 1200-1070 BCE GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA Pylos, Palace of Nestor Greece 37.026797 21.694586 1240K 1 0.137 139966 M n/a (no relatives detected) Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam R-M269 R1b1a1b X [0.952,0.992] 0.164 0.445 n/a (<200 SNPs) ss.half S19364.Y1.E1.L1 MERGE_PASS

You beat me to it!

Thank-you Duarte.

Probably isn't that simple, but perhaps G local and J and R1b as the Bronze Age incomers, the J from Anatolia and the R1b from Yamnaya.

MOESAN · Sep 2, 2022

Thanks to both Duarte and Angela

Er Monnezza · Sep 2, 2022

Greek averages from the paper.

Some percentages are a bit strange, for example Marathon should have far more Levant_PPNB than Salamis_BA (I9006), Kastrouli_Anc should have more EHG than Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA and instead they have almost the same percentage.

Kuivamaa · Sep 2, 2022

Er Monnezza said:
Some percentages are a bit strange, for example Marathon should have far more Levant_PPNB than Salamis_BA (I9006)

Why exactly?

johen · Sep 2, 2022

Er Monnezza said:
Greek averages from the paper.

According to a paper last year, steppe admixture significantly decreases after mid-bronze. Mid-bronze Logkas man was buried in supine-flexed position like yamna/afanasievo, not catacomb. However, people in circle B was buried in just supine position. I think it means new invasion. Modern Greek people has a similar admixture of mid-bronze people.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867421003706

Angela · Sep 2, 2022

Er Monnezza said:
Greek averages from the paper.

Some percentages are a bit strange, for example Marathon should have far more Levant_PPNB than Salamis_BA (I9006), Kastrouli_Anc should have more EHG than Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA and instead they have almost the same percentage.

Says who? Based on what?

We just got though saying that the samples were so heterogeneous, and you think it makes sense to use averages???

lockdownboredom · Sep 3, 2022

Er Monnezza said:
Greek averages from the paper.

Some percentages are a bit strange, for example Marathon should have far more Levant_PPNB than Salamis_BA (I9006), Kastrouli_Anc should have more EHG than Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA and instead they have almost the same percentage.

Many of these samples aren't available as G25 coords, right? Is it because they are low coverage or the BAMs not being available?

matadworf · Sep 3, 2022

johen said:
According to a paper last year, steppe admixture significantly decreases after mid-bronze. Mid-bronze Logkas man was buried in supine-flexed position like yamna/afanasievo, not catacomb. However, people in circle B was buried in just supine position. I think it means new invasion. Modern Greek people has a similar admixture of mid-bronze people.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867421003706

That CHG levels seems high but I would guess that it doesn’t separate out the CHG coming from Anatolia (I realize there’s a Levantine signal) and the CHG in the Steppe population that entered Greece during the late Bronze. I’m also assuming that’s the CHG average for continental Greece, Anatolia, and Black Sea populations.The Logkas 2 seems closer to what I consider a continental average. I could be wrong.

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