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Thread: J2b, From Eluri/Alluria (Luristan) to Illyria (Illuría)

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    the basic vocabulary is as a whole a good marker of common origin for a language family ; but when it comes to the most basic one, as the family/filiation words, they can be shared with other families themselves issued of a previous larger group of languages. Specially for the meanings of 'father' and 'mother', whose origin come from onomatopoeas I think (baby language?)
    cncerning 'zana' it evoks me 'zhena' woman in Satem tongues; was Elamitic a language with 'satem' tendancies? I know nothing about this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post
    cncerning 'zana' it evoks me 'zhena' woman in Satem tongues; was Elamitic a language with 'satem' tendancies?
    No, Elamite was a Centum language, that is a loan word in Elamite, about Proto-IE ḱ, compare these words:

    Elmaite ik-tin "cloth" https://ids.clld.org/units/216-257
    From Proto-IE ḱed- "to cover, cloth", cognate with Old English haeteru "clothes"

    Elamite ak-pi "holy, sacred" https://ids.clld.org/units/216-741
    From Proto-IE *ḱwe- "holy", cognate with Avestan spəṇta "holy

    Elamite duk "conceive" https://ids.clld.org/units/216-207
    From Proto-IE *deyḱ- "to point out", cognate with Greek deíknūmi "make known"

    Elamite duk-ti-ir "friend, companion" https://ids.clld.org/units/216-697
    From Proto-IE *deḱ- "respect, take" + -tḗr (agent suffix), cognate with Latin decet "decent"

    Elamite kar-ik "helmet": https://ids.clld.org/units/216-717
    From Proto-IE *ḱerh₂- "horn", cognate with Greek kórus "helmet"

    Elamite kiš-ki-ip-man-na "carpenter" https://ids.clld.org/units/216-366
    From Proto-IE *ḱes- "cut" + -mon "man", cognate with Latin castro "prune"

    Elamite kumaš "he goat" https://ids.clld.org/units/216-123
    From Proto-IE *ḱem- "short-horned beast", cognate with Latin camox "chamois"

    Elamite kir- "hand" https://ids.clld.org/units/216-185
    From Proto-IE *ḱreh₂ "arm, leg", cognate with Albanian krah "arm"

    Elamite mu-uk-ti "master" https://ids.clld.org/units/216-685
    From Proto-IE *meh₂ḱ- "great" , cognate with Latin magister "master"

    Elamite tuk-na "wool" https://ids.clld.org/units/216-259
    From Proto-IE *doḱ- "hair of the tail", cognate with Gothic tagl "hair"

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    Illyrian coinage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrian_coinage





    The ancient story of Barmaya cow and Derafsh Kaviani


    Barmaya cow, British Museum: https://www.britishmuseum.org/collec...1948-1211-0-20


    Derafsh Kaviani

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    Moja, some of the cognate words or supposed so could be reliable, perhaps not all of them, I am not sure.
    But some similitudes of designs or pictures are so common that they don't signify too much, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moja View Post
    Illyrian coinage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrian_coinage





    The ancient story of Barmaya cow and Derafsh Kaviani


    Barmaya cow, British Museum: https://www.britishmuseum.org/collec...1948-1211-0-20


    Derafsh Kaviani
    Might be on to something with the illyrian coins and the lydian thing. I said that Mok 15 of J-L283 was mostly aegean and its the oldest J2b-L283. I said it most like landed in the adriatic from the near the aegean.
    They keep equating J-L283 with steppe into central europe even though J-L283 is only near the medditernean and balkans. Its never in Northern europe or western europe pre roman era.

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    According to Iranian mythology, Iranians are the descendants of Iraj (Aryoxis), one sons of Fereydun, the great king who was nourished by the cow Barmaya and conquered the world with Derafsh Kaviani, the oldest son of Fereydon was Salm (Salmoxis), as you read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salm_(Shahnameh) "When Fereydun decides to divide his kingdom among his sons, he gives Salm Anatolia and West." Herodotus has talked about Salmoxis, as the earliest king of Thracians.

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